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[–]jjjd89 25 points26 points27 points  (4 children)
I want such a meal. Always fascinated me, this pre tomato pre potato cuisine of India.
[–]dave_evad 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
Seriously! I am tired of potatoes in every single dish.
[–]deviousmojave 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
If its tinda aaloo, i rather have the aaloo :)
[–]spaceman2121 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I want to build a game where your final boss is a giant cube of paneer
I fucking hate paneer
[–]Metromask1 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The Portuguese introduced potatoes in india. he is reading a Clickbait book mate :D
[–]won_tolla 13 points14 points15 points  (27 children)
But why is this worthy of awe? Also, sauce?
EDIT: clarified wording
[–]inquilab_zindabad\\//_[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
To me it's worthy of Awe because, I never imagined pomegranates were a part of the diet in the sub continent. I always thought they were brought by the persians. And the line "Haunches of venison boiled in different watys with spices and MANGOES" to me the most interesting part was boiling venison along with mangoes. I never even imagined boiling meat along with mangoes.
Sauce: From the book, The Story of Our Food by K.T. Achaya
[–]spaceman2121 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
They probably meant raw magoes
[–]inquilab_zindabad\\//_[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Of course. In Andhra we cook raw mangoes with lentils. But I have never come across or never myself thought about using raw mangoes as the acidic agent in the meat marinating or meat cooking process. To me this was revealing in a way.
[–]won_tolla 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
You and I have different definitions of awe. I think I like yours better :-)
[–]enrac 6 points7 points8 points  (7 children)
The Rajagopalachari version of the Ramayana also makes a mention of them eating meat. It's one line, but it's there.
[–]won_tolla 17 points18 points19 points  (6 children)
They're kshatriyas. Of course they eat meat. Hardly worthy of awe. OP might be referring to just the detail.
[–]house_of_kunt 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
Brahmins too, ate meat.
[–]aryaninvader 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
Meat eating is not evolution, vegetarianism is.
[–]inquilab_zindabad\\//_[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Spot on !! Actually, this bit of text is a preface to Vegetarianism in the book, The Story of Our Food by K.T. Achaya.
Edit: Grammar.
[–]throwawaymlgdarkawarapan banjarapan. 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Source?
[–]house_of_kunt 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
There are multiple instances in Mahabharata where meat (not necessarily beef) is cooked and offered to sages.
Although, later part of Mahabharata explicitly condemns meat eating. There is some contradiction in that, but Mahabharata has quite a few of those, due to it being edited over the centuries.
[–]enrac 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I never mentioned awe. I do agree that it's obvious though.
[–]sumofdifference 8 points9 points10 points  (10 children)
There is mention of Dashrath, Ram and others hunting in Ramayan, what do people think they did after hunting a deer or other game, left them or used them as trophy?
Dashrath even died because of curse he got from killing Shravan Kumar who he had mistaken for a deer.
[–]won_tolla 6 points7 points8 points  (9 children)
I'm not arguing that. I'm confused as to why OP is awestruck.
[–]The-MitrPosting without reading is my birthright 5 points6 points7 points  (8 children)
so much meat in aur holiest text, also implying god ram was non-veg perhaps
edit: try to suggest a non-veg meal for god ram in temple (ayodhya one if you prefer) and you will know why OP is awestruck
[–]aryaninvader 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
The bow and arrow that was part of their work wear was not meant to defend a village which was only occasional, it was to get a meal.
[–]The-MitrPosting without reading is my birthright 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
saar, this, needs to be told to the masses, they feel bow and arrow only for killing rakshasas
[–]aryaninvader 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
They just need to apply some common sense.
[–]neong87 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Come on Sir, where would a common man find common sense, it's so rare?
Please use some common sense.
[–]The-MitrPosting without reading is my birthright 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
which is not so common saar, esp when it comes to gods and mass leaders
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
also implying god ram was non-veg perhaps
He was kshatriya. There is no need of implying.
[–]The-MitrPosting without reading is my birthright 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
try telling this to general masses and see their reaction on this
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
general masses and see their reaction on this
They know it. I have been to many ramayan paaths and the general people know it very well even a rural person who reads ramayan.
[–]whackybrain 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I think the awe factor is not 'eating meat'. Its the description of how meat was cooked in that era; the marination; the use of ginger, lemon, herb etc to enhance the flavors etc.
[–]ponniyin_selvan 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
By awestruck, OP probably meant mouthwatering. Don't be such a nitpick.
[–]won_tolla 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Don't be such a nitpick.
Booo.
[–]verytroo -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
sauce
No sauce.... Just a lot of herbs and spices!
[–]lemonpietart 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
Always interested in knowing what people in ancient india ate. How did they cook their food? Is it the same as what we eat nowadays? Anybody can throw light on sources?
[–]notsosleepy 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
I read a book called curry which talks very little about ancient indian food. there is this mention of certain central Indian dynasty of having rats as delicacy. Unfortunately the book never takes off and talks only of food items like biryani, curry, vindaloo etc which the Brits consider Indian food. On mobile pardon incoherence
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I read a book called curry
Unfortunately the book never takes off and talks only of food items like biryani, curry, vindaloo etc which the Brits consider Indian food.
What did you expect from a book titled curry?
[–]inquilab_zindabad\\//_[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I'm no expert but to me the early human's food of any civilization not just Indian subcontinent would have been of something that cooked directly on fire. Sort of like a BBQ.
Image source: From the book, The Story of Our Food by K.T. Achaya
[–]aryaninvader 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
We can guess from the well known sources, Milk & milk products like makkhan and ghee was a part of diet since very early times, cows have always been revered for the milk, roti came pretty late, probably from west, spices are quintessentially Indian and no curry is possible without it, so curry must have been a part of the diet along with some kind of grain like rice or something else. meat of course was a part of diet, vegetarianism was evolution not meat eating.
[–]pinkugripewaterMaharashtra 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
For anyone wondering, (I'm pretty sure) the verse is from here – the part where Bharata learns that his mom was responsible for sending Rama away, and following him (along with a shit ton of Ayodha people), ends up at Bharadwaja's ashram. Bharadwaja laters fathers Drona, btw.
So Bharadwaja arranges prime hospitality for Bharata and his retinue. As I somewhat expected, the authors have filled in some details, and the Sanskrit prose is more sparse (Side note: almost frustrating how sparse it is. Sanskrit prose is like a stern old guy curtly saying 'Yes I had dinner last night at that 5 star restaurant' instead of showing you an Instagram picture). It goes:
Dishes of goat and boar with delicious sauces were there and condiments that were spicy, fragrant and succulent, cooked in fruit juices; vessels of rare metals filled with rice, decorated with flowers, were offered in thousands to those soldiers there. The soldiers saw them with wonder on all sides.
That website breaks up the Sanskrit translations. Mine is not very good but the parts I can make out are accurate. Mango (आम्र) is not mentioned anywhere so I think that part and the spices are made up.
Another gem from the same section:
Shimshapas (Ashoka trees), Amalakis (Emblic myrobalan), Jambus (rose-apple trees), Malati, Mallika Jati and other creepers in the forest had been changed into dancing girls in the hermitage of Bharadwaja and they spoke as follows: "O, wine-bibbers! Drink the wine, however much you desire! O troops stricken with hunger! Let milk thickened with rice and the meats which are very much fresh, be eaten (as you will)"
Seven or eight young women bathed every single man on the beautiful river-banks, after massaging their body with oil. Women with charming eyes came running and shampooed their limbs. Lovely women likewise wiped off the moisture on their body with towels and gave them beverages to drink, mutually sharing them among each other.
Sounds like a great party.
[–]linuxdev2 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Seven or eight young women bathed every single man on the beautiful river-banks, after massaging their body with oil. Women with charming eyes came running and shampooed their limbs. Lovely women likewise wiped off the moisture on their body with towels and gave them beverages to drink, mutually sharing them among each other.
This goes completely against the austerity of an ashram that we typically imagine.
I wonder if this is historically introduced misogyny (just like the Bible / Quran are edited wikipedia-style) or actually Valmiki's words.
[–]dave_evad 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Could you point out where is the hate of women you speak of?
[–]verytroo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
In the modern society.
[–]charavaka 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Then you should read the description of ashwamedha.
[–]throwawaymlgdarkawarapan banjarapan. 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Holy shit! This works the same way in Skyrim except ghee .
[–]amrx101 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Ram and Krishna both were kings and ate meat yes even buffalo meat. It was the Brahmins who were strict vegetarians. I don't know from where the idea of Ram and Krishna being pure strict vegetarians creeped in.
[–]ion_ 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
idaM medhyamidaM svaadu niSTaptamidamagninaa |
evamaaste sa dharmaatmaa siitayaa saha raaghavaH || 2-96-2

Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."
Aamisham means meat and it also means enjoyable sense object like kingdom; it also means immense sense gratification and very pleasant and dear sense objects. Why translate this word only to mean meat? Isn't it biased translation?
Maamsa means meat and it also means pulp of a fruit or root. Roots are quite commonly roasted in fire and eaten.
[–]v3r71g0 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Okay, can anyone please refer me to an authentic source where aamisham has the meaning as referred to by the person answered.
Maamsa, I can understand, because we say flesh of fruits and so on.
The first interpretation just sounds like a 'vegetarian'/'moral' justification of the word.
[–]SilentSaboteurUniverse 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Someone show this to Modiji, RSS etc.
[–]Valarauko 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Without an exact quote, my best guess is that this probably describes the banquet hall in Lanka, with Ravana presiding (Book V Canto XI).
[–]inquilab_zindabad\\//_[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
I'm not sure about this being a banquet in Lanka as the author refers this meal in the context of Aryans. Source: From the book, The Story of Our Food by K.T. Achaya
[–]Valarauko 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I can read the quote, but the only type of feast like this I can recall in Valmiki is set in Lanka. As the text mentions, it only states that the description is from Ramayana, and not necessarily set in Aryavarta. To be fair, even in the original text it's unclear if this description is positive or not, alluding to the wealth of Lanka.
[–]ribiyVadra Lao Desh Bachao 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
Source OP?
Meat isn't surprising, but the details are. Does Ramayana have such details on food?
[–]inquilab_zindabad\\//_[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
From the book, The Story of Our Food by K.T. Achaya
[–]BaldGODGOD OF ANTI NATIONALS 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
Valmiki Ramayana mention beef and other types of meat.
“Here and in other places, Valmeeki describes how Raama and Lakshmana secured food by hunting. He makes it quite plain that they had to subsist largely on meat. Some good men are troubled by this. But meat was not prohibited for Kshatriyas. Indeed, it has always been the rule in India to permit any food legitimately obtained and consecrated as a sacrifice. Raama was a Kshatriya and he lived in the forest in the Kshatriya way, though abstemiously.”
Rig Veda mention Indira eating beef
Fifteen in number, then, for me a score of bullocks they prepare, And I devour the fat thereof: they fill my belly full with food. Supreme is Indra over all.
You can read more about it here
[–]ribiyVadra Lao Desh Bachao 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
As I said I know of it and not a bit surprised by mentions of meet and beef eating. I am a believer of the theory of Jainism influence on Hinduism leading to vegetarian diets.
Here the culinary details and the methods of preparations being mentioned in Ramayana was a TIL for me and that's why I asked for source.
The preparations and recipes is what interests me here.
[–]ponniyin_selvan 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I am a believer of the theory of Jainism influence on Hinduism leading to vegetarian diets.
Wasn't it Buddhism?
[–]ribiyVadra Lao Desh Bachao 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Buddhism wasn't as much about vegetarian diets and non violence towards animals as Jainism was. Even today most vegetarianism is found in places which has high Jain population (indicating higher influence of Jainsim historically). Like Gujarat and Rajasthan,
[–]ponniyin_selvan 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
So Ram ate not any meat but beef? Take that RSS.
[–]mannabhaiMaharashtra 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Buffalo which is still legal everywhere
[–]RowdyRambo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I am wondering if the essence is translated in English.
[–]svmk1987 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Looks like they really enjoyed beef.
[–]Nirmal-Baba 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
"young buffalo calves roasted"
[–]Rudraksh77India 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Tasty!
[–]Abzone7n -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Lol "Aryans".
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