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[–]imaprince 283 ポイント284 ポイント  (11子コメント)

OP you turned this into a r/gamingcirclejerk post real fast.

[–]lilJamieEllsworth [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is a controversial opinion, but DAE hate microtransactions?!

/Bracing for downvotes

[–]deepsoulfunk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly, if other forms of media like movies had microtrasactions people would flip. Like you want me to pay for a ticket AND popcorn AND a soda?

[–]jdsrockin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I feel like this is like The Witcher 3's "Thank you for the free DLC" posts, which I never understood why people thought that was so revolutionary. If those 16 pieces of DLC were even $1 each, people would be livid. Why are they being thanked for essentially updating their game? While the new quests were good, they could have just been quests they didn't finish on time, and just decided to add later. Now if they had the two DLC expansions be free, then I'd be kissing their feet.

[–]superfudge73 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yeah but those DLC expansions were so fucking worth every penny.

[–]thegreattober [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I didn't even do all the side missions or 100% them and I still agree

[–]superfudge73 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I did all of them and it took about as long to do the dlc as the main game

[–]Gorakka [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because those free DLC are what many companies are usually charging for. Squenix is an example of this shitty practice, releasing an hour long side quest for around $15. In W3, they gave it for free, to give people stuff to do until REAL content was completed for them.

And their paid expansion were actually expansions, not just content that was cut from the game at release (practically every big studio is guilty of this). The expansions were completely separate from the main story, and added so much extra gameplay time (for me personally, HoS = 30 extra hours, B&W = 50+ extra hours).

The reason they got so much praise just for doing the right thing, is the vast majority of companies simply don't. It would be great if the gaming industry as a whole did the right thing, but they just don't. So yes, it is sad that we have to praise them, but the fact is their practice is so rare that it should be praised and looked up to, until it is the norm again.

[–]Phlash_ 313 ポイント314 ポイント  (71子コメント)

I'm not comfortable moving the goal posts where threads like these are going to be made when a Dev doesn't do shitty things in games, fuck that.

[–]kodran [スコア非表示]  (39子コメント)

Well, microtransactions and DLC are not shitty things to do themselves. The shitty thing to do is the implementation. Overwatch is the current most common example of MT done right: they don't change the game experience beyond aesthetical items and even those you can get just by playing.

SWBF is an example of DLC gone plain wrong and isolating the player base: they punish you for not buying it and they punish you for buying it.

So I think congratulating a dev team to make the business call of NOT getting more money is not as bad as you make it sound.

[–]GOpencyprep [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Well, microtransactions and DLC is not a shitty thing to do.

Exactly - MC are not an immediate problem, how their implemented is the (potential) problem

[–]mee0003 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

IMO, the elder scrolls and fallout games are some of the best examples of DLC done right. New pieces of story unrelated to the main plot, and totally unnecessary to the main game.

[–]SeeTreePOgrammerschool [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I would have to agree with you there with the exception if Fallout 4. I'm not saying the game or the dlc was bad. In fact I loved all the story ones. But the other DLC could have basically been mods. In fact some where before the dlc themselves came out.

[–]mee0003 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ah, have not played Fallout 4, just all elder scrolls and 3/NV.

[–]SeeTreePOgrammerschool [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah there was only 3 story dlc.

1 was short and it involved the Mechanist.

The second was Far Harbour brought some things back like SPECIAL checks.

And the Third being Nuka World it let the people who wanted to be evil a chance.

The rest were all settlement workshops. No story elements except for the vault one which was the best of these.

It felt like just one day your character decided hey let's build cages or something.

[–]Bloodmark3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Witcher 3. Dlc of brand new exciting stories with 15-30+ hours of content.

[–]gibsonsg87gibsonsg87 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SWBF punishes everyone unless everyone gets the premium version :(

[–]GamerStance [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

True, but overwatch is also rng based micro transactions, which is shitty in its own right.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

No, not really. It's literally just cosmetics.

[–]fourthlionfourthlion [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

But if you really want one of those cosmetics you can't just go buy it. You have to buy silly RNG packs (and yeah I know you can craft if you sell stuff). It's very much exploiting a certain type of addictive personality. Just because they've gone cosmetic only doesn't really take away that gambling hook for people weak to that stuff.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Learn some self control. It's a video game.

[–]fourthlionfourthlion [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Just because you and I have self control doesn't make it any less shitty a business practice for the people it exploits.

[–]kivatbatV [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The system is in place specifically for people who they can either groom or who are already in a state where they will buy.

These systems should not be in these games. The more we accept them, ultimately, the worse it will be.

[–]X-Myrlz [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yeah, it's gambling. Worse than that it's gambling that is accessible to children who don't know any better. You should expect an adult to stop themselves from spending more money than they should on RNG microtransactions but you can't expect the same from a 14 year old who doesn't understand the consequences.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Gambling

Gambling: play games of chance for money

[–]fourthlionfourthlion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Congrats on willfully ignoring every other definition of the word gamble.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dude... It's skins in a VIDEO GAME.

[–]ubern00by [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes. Kids play that shit. Are you actually telling a bunch of irresponsible kids "just learn some self control"

[–]Von_Zeppelin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But you still have a chance at those items through the same RNG just from playing the game. Let's take one of my favorite games that was ruined by absolute shitty money hungry micro-transactions....Destiny. There is literally items that you can only get from spending real money for...oh and these items are behind the most insulting RNG odds I've ever seen. You can literally open up one the RNG boxes and only get consumables and/or a duplicate(possibly with a shittier stat roll) of an item you already have.

[–]VanishingBanshee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But if you want one specific skin you can't get that, especially when it's exclusive skins, like the holiday skins. It shouldn't be that way in a game that you purchased at full price. And then they don't even take the proper free to play model where you can pay for the specific content that you do want, but they don't do that either.

I may not like the system, but it's not Blizzard's fault, it's the fault that they are now owned by Activision, one of the greediest video game companies out there, making nearly every feature that they have control over the absolute worst for the players simply to make a profit off the new video game gambling craze.

[–]kivatbatV [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm going to disagree about Overwatch. I feel it's less an example of something being done right, and something wrong not being done worse where worse has become far and wide accepted to be the norm - at times to extremes.

Jim Sterling's video on this is a good watch.

Point is, microtransactions aren't good.

[–]Bloodmark3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also, how microtransactions affect the "unlockable ingame" aspect.

Take GTA 5. Yeah, free dlc. But it's extremely overpriced, requiring very many hours doing repetitive missions, or a group redoing heists, to purchase.

Features like "instant replay job" were removed as well in order to make shark cards more viable. Shark cards that are also ridiculously priced.

If you can earn things in game, they shouldn't be at ridiculously exhorbant prices that normal human beings with lives can't achieve.

Also, the "they're just vanity items" argument needs to be watched. Sometimes obvious game features are removed and put on a microtransaction store.

For example. In FFXIV, you have a ridiculous amount of emotes. Except one very obvious one that games like WoW have, "lie down anywhere". What was the response of the company when the community asked for it? Release a "play dead" emote for 7 fucking dollars.

[–]imariaprime 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But it's the unfortunate reality. So if we can't reasonably punish the transgressors (there's clearly always many who will buy their games and pay for their DLC), we need to do the second best thing: praise those who don't. Ensure they succeed enough that their investors don't have the leverage to demand that they fill their games with microtransaction garbage.

[–]Von_Zeppelin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sad, but true. It won't stop until they are forced to stop. Unfortunately that won't happen until legislature comes down on them hard. And given how these companies are not only practicing proven tactics to prey on gambling habits, they sometimes hire professionals to be more effective at it. I'd imagine it will happen in time.

[–]Santana_in_left [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

I don't like the implication that DLC and microtransactions are inherently shitty things to do. I'd love to see a little more nuance in these kinds of discussions.

Most people who hate microtransactions seem to hate the "pay-to-win" model which, honestly, where does that show up outside of mobile games these days? I feel like it's a bit of a straw man at this point.

[–]Phlash_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

THey aren't all bad, you are right, but it's rare to see them done right, you'll see a thread on this sub everytime it happens because that's how far gone the implementation of them has come. Selling better weapons in DLC crates in Cod, that you can earn and I give credit to that, but are much easier acquired via real money. Or games which already cost a lot of money to purchase locking things behind crates, even if you can earn them in game( Overwatch, MWR, etc) .

I agree it doesn't creep up in too many games( pay-to-win that is) but a lot of games don't let you earn unlocks anymore they let you pay for them or grind ad nauseum.

[–]jon_snow_jones [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Sports games and their fantasy team modes.

Ever played 2K?

[–]Santana_in_left [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yeah, and MLB does this too. I don't love it, but it's also an optional mode I don't have to play.

I'm not really into sports games though, so I guess I can see how it would get frustrating for hardorce fans.

[–]jon_snow_jones [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Optional modes have a fine line. My main problem with the implementation of microtransactions is when regular gameplay is designed to be a bigger grind in order for you to be tempted to buy virtual money.

[–]heinous_anus- [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Fuuuuck VC. Where the fuck is 2k even spending the money they get from that shit? The servers are still ass.

[–]jon_snow_jones [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Where the fuck is 2k even spending the money they get from that shit

If I had to guess? They spend heavy on marketing.

Servers this year were worse. 2k16 had a better online experience if you ask me.

[–]heinous_anus- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Which sucks cause I had never really bothered with the myPark stuff until this year, usually just played offline with friends. But there is so much potential there, when you can get a good game going it's a ton of fun.

[–]vexistential [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's understandable that not everyone is familiar with Trion, Arc Games (Cryptic Studios), and a whole mess of other smaller (mostly) MMO publishers. But if p2win is a straw man in microtransaction discussions to you then I'd be curious to see what an acceptable point would be.

[–]Santana_in_left [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a strawman when referring to AAA games, which is weirdly where most of the arguments are focused. "Fuck Konami, fuck Ubisoft, Fuck EA" etc., but the vast majority of games produced by big name publishers don't have p2w microtransactions.

[–]kivatbatV [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

DLC can be done poorly and done well, but the concept of microtransactions is inherently influencing the game's core design. It will always be bad, and never good under any circumstances.

[–]indeepth0ught [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I believe they are inherently shitty so I would just reject that claim right from the beginning. But that's of course just an opinion like any other.

[–]uniquecannon [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I blame y'all for buying all that crap and bolstering the market.

[–]Phlash_ [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

care to elaborate?

[–]rtarplee [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Think he means voting for microtransactions by paying for them

[–]Phlash_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Sure, just seems like it was directed at me included, and I intentionally don't buy them for the fact that I don't want them in my games.

[–]uniquecannon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If you don't buy them yourself, then I applaud you for it. But the fact that the general gaming community does purchase them, and lots of them, it remains a thing.

I'm sorry if my comment seemed like a direct focus on you specifically.

[–]poopbackwardispoop [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If nobody bought the microtransactions, game developers would stop putting them in there.

[–]oryes 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yea exactly this should be standard, this is like congratulating someone for not being an asshole

[–]chidoSer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

is microtransactions the new preorder meme?

[–]Lovlace_Valentino [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The gamer mantra: ignore the good and rage at the bad

[–]nbagamer [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

"2017 actually has some hope now..."

Lol. A bit over dramatic don't you think

[–]GunzGoPew 208 ポイント209 ポイント  (120子コメント)

I think big games with Microtransactions aren't that common.

I recently got the platinum in Watch Dogs 2. For all the shit people give Ubisoft (you even mention them in this thread lol), there was nothing like that in the game. I guess some DLC for it came out a couple of weeks ago, but that's fine, it's just DLC.

[–]wohlstandPlzSPAMme 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Also dont forget their games usually have online modes to play with your friends and/or randoms, that costs a lot of money to develop those too so I am not sure it would be better if they ditched all online modes and worked harder on "fixing all bugs", its completely blown out of proportion I cant remember ever having an unplayable game. Tons of unfun games tho by all kinds of developers.

[–]WolfofST [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I think the biggest Ubisoft complaint is that they release formulaic shells of games. The concepts and surface features are usually really cool but UBisoft games get boring so fucking fast because they have no depth. Obviously there are a couple exceptions but Assassins Creed, Far Cry, the division, watch dogs, prince of Persia, and the Tom Clancy games all have that problem.

[–]DaniSenpai [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think Ubisoft banks more on the settings of their games and the additional mechanics they add to each franchise, while maintaining the base core mechanics that they've proven to be successful. But to be fair the most recent Ubisoft games I've played are AC4 and FC4 and even those felt a little too washed out for me (even AC4 which was really praised a lot), so I might not have the most recent picture of their games to give the best judgement.

[–]MadKingArty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They're just churning games out of the woodwork just to keep their market entertained that they're Ubisoft is what I feel during the previous years.

[–]Gorakka [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm so interested in that new space/sci-fi ip they teased in WD2, as I would love to play that kind of game from them.

But I'm equally interested to see how they will Britta it by once again sticking to the Ubi formula.

[–]Lekti [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I like ubisofts current method of just releasing mostly cosmetic non game breaking "dlc" and then a storey add-on here and there. In fact I think Activision did the same thing with destiny and I thought that was fine too.

[–]ARandomFakeName [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I agree Ubisoft has a mostly good DLC model but I have to disagree with Destiny. It was an incomplete game at launch and needed DLC to fix that. I stopped playing once I started to have to buy $40 expansions. If you don't continue to buy the DLC in Destiny you're completely left behind and in some cases locked out of previously open content. Now I completely understand the need for funds for development but I don't think their model is particularly consumer friendly. Now if they made the story content DLC free (or substantially cheaper) and made money from cosmetic micro transactions, I think they could maintain a larger player base. Just my thoughts

[–]sasstomouth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I first experienced Bungie locking players out of previously available content back in Halo 3 when I didn't buy the dlc for that game 10 years ago. Swore I would never buy another Bungie product because of it. Good to know they're still up to the same old tricks.

[–]Off-ice 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah yes, Micro transactions are now to DLC as what DLC is to expansions. They all have a place in gaming but where they are used is the key.

[–]Xcaliburknight7 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (70子コメント)

Have you played For Honor, Syndicate or steep aren't these big games made by ubisoft... come on wd2 has a tonne of add-ons from clothing to skins(which to me are really overpriced) that should've been free in game but they want to milk every single dollar or euro from their games. I personally dislike ubisoft but that's MO ... HzD is really good but let's give it a while and see how the devs will handle their dlcs and pricing

[–]the_nutless_squirrel 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Steep has a season pass but that's it. Nothing is hidden behind a paywall and they just added a full mountain as free dlc. You can give Ubisoft crap, but Steep is an exceptional game and doesn't fit the story here.

[–]GunzGoPew 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (41子コメント)

I haven't played For Honor. I downloaded the beta then forgot about it. I haven't played Syndicate because I dislike AC and I forgot that Steep even came out to be honest.

Watch Dogs 2 only has 1 DLC pack as far as I know and that contains 4 or 5 missions.

If they sell a pack of skins or clothing, it's not something you need. It doesn't count towards any trophies and it has no impact on the story. So who cares?

[–]Vilens40Vilens 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is trash post. We are not judging Watch Dogs 2 here and I played Syndicate and WD2 at length. In no way were the micro-transactions game-breaking, immersion-breaking, or intrusive. Additionally, the DLC for Syndicate is fun. Stop with these Witch Hunts towards Ubisoft, they've fixeed a lot since Unity came out and in no way is WD2 what you're describing.

[–]Admiral_Sjo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You can buy anything in for honor with in game currency that really isn't that hard to get.

[–]MagisterHaseo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do micro transactions matter that much if it's purely cosmetic? Like the stuff in syndicate is wild, and for honor with the steel pack isn't the finest way to do it, but skins? Unless they offer a gameplay advantage than I don't see a problem with them. It something cosmetic is overpriced, then so be it. It's not n Cesar for the core experience of the game.

[–]bongo1138boardbrtn [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I saw an interview with Adam Boyes today and he talked about microtransactions and compared it to going to a concert. You pay to get into a concert, maybe $50 or so and then when you're there you can buy a t shirt or a CD or both. I think that's a fair analogy, and I've never heard someone complain about having to pay for a t shirt at a concert...

[–]Delta-Sniperdelta-sniper- [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

but you do hear people complaining about buying beer because it's $14 a cup.

[–]neoaoshineo_aoshi [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

name: bongo

Saw: adam boyes interview.

Kinda Funny fan spotted!

[–]danudeydanudey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't see any problem with charging for cosmetics. If they weren't making money off them they wouldn't make nearly as many of them in the first place. If you don't want to pay the cash you don't have to but you're not missing out on anything if you do.

People have been complaining that the DLC in The Division doesn't expand the story, too, but imagine the uproar if they did. "Pay $30 for the season pass to get the rest of the story!" There would be a revolt, and rightly so, but if they did it people would pay and they'd make a bunch of money.

[–]iwearadiaper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Though in for honor everything can be unlocked by playing it.

[–]fasehed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I personally feel watch dogs 2 was ubis best game.

[–]1000Horatio 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wouldn't go as far as congratulations. . .imo these things should be the standard. But given today's gaming industry. . .a token of appreciation I suppose.

[–]Pro_Olaf 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What IS, and what SHOULD be is nowhere near the same thing. So its a congratulations :)

[–]SUPERKTAT5 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

2017 actually has some hope now...

You can't base one company's actions on the entire industry

[–]tawndy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Let's all suck each other's dicks

[–]Jon76 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU, OP IS JERKING ME OFF TOO FAST!

[–]goldmedalsharter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Time's a wasting. Let's get some ookie on this cookie boys.

[–]TorontoGameDevs 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (14子コメント)

TBH I wish there was DLC - I want more content.

[–]RockGottiRockGotti 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There will be, I just hope we get details soon

In the past I have loved Fallout 4 & Titanfall 2.. I got bored of both before any DLC was released and never went back to them. Hope this isnt the case with HZD

[–]TorontoGameDevs 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where did they say dlc is coming? No season pass available for the game.

[–]mcdrew88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can't think of a single game that I wasn't bored of before the DLC came out. That didn't stop me from going back to them when the DLC came out and reviving my interest.

[–]indeepth0ught [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TBH I wish the company just worked on the next game and making it better instead of drip-feeding content for the old game, engine, assets, etc.

[–]ThaNorth 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Plenty of games come out finished with no micro transactions needed. Stop focusing on the ones that do.

[–]OutFromUndrTMIB311 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't see the difference between offering armor/weapons in a "Special Edition" or "Pre Order Bonus" compared to offering straight micro-transactions.

I guess it's nice that they aren't doing both.

[–]dazzlerJJDDazzler619 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (15子コメント)

A developer releasing a PS4 game with no micro transactions is something to be praised? I played Gravity Rush 2, no micro transactions to be seen. Same for Last Guardian. I guess Uncharted 4 has them in the multiplayer but if you played it purely as a single player game, there are none. Are there really more games with micro transactions than don't have them? I haven't encountered any.

DLC on the other hand, I don't mind. Left Behind was DLC for The Last of Us and it was amazing. It wasn't neccessary either. You could still enjoy the main story without it. If I don't think it enhances the game, like a skin or something else cosmetic, I don't buy it.

[–]jdsrockin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

With The Last of Us's multiplayer, it technically had microtransactions with the overpowered weapons that you can only buy. It's one of my favorite games of all time, but that rubbed me the wrong way.

[–]ChokingzombieDoctoR__ZombiE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I totally agree. I hopped on factions a few days ago and was getting molested by guns I had never even seen (it's been a few years) and when I went to go look I noticed I could only get them with real money. It kinda turned me away from the MP (that, and the fact that almost everyone is level 300+, with the majority of late night players being 700+)

I think they learned though, because IMO the UC4 guns being unlockable through boxes you can buy with in-game currency seems much more fair. On a side note- I think the boxes in UC4 were done well, sure I would rather they just give everything to me for free, but they need to earn money too! If you don't want to pay the cash, save up points and buy the boxes and pray to the RNG gods! And no duplicates is also something that I loved about the UC4 boxes.

[–]GOpencyprep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow, other than OP being arguably retarded based on his posts in this thread – lets not do that dumb thing where we start shitting on microtransactions (MC) and DLC because it’s the cool thing to do. As gamers we need to realize that MC and DLC are not an inherently bad thing (it’s literally MORE stuff for a game you already enjoy), but that their IMPLEMENTATION can be a bad thing. If a company cuts content to resale piecemeal later, or makes pay-to-win stuff available, etc – THAT is bad.

But lets look at Titanfall 2 for example, all of the extra content in that game that actually AFFECTS the game (new maps, new weapons, etc) is free. You know how they pay for that (because companies still have to keep the lights on and pay their employees)? It's not off the $60 bucks you spent on the game initially - it's via microtransactions and paid DLC, it just so happens that in TF everything you can buy is purely cosmetic (new skins for weapons, new models for titans, etc) and THAT is how a company can afford to pay for the stuff that affects the game – and there’s nothing wrong with that. We need to realize that MC and DLC, when implemented correctly, is a good thing – it pays for more stuff we enjoy. Same with Rocket League – Psyonix drops awesome and substantial content for that game regularly and it’s all totally free. They charge for cars and for loot box keys – all of which is totally cosmetic.

As gamers it’s THAT kind of behavior we should be rewarding and voting for with our wallets. I don’t normally buy cosmetic stuff for games, I consider it a waste. But you better believe that I paid for some for TF2 and Rocket League because those companies are doing it right, and the industry should be encouraged to follow in their example – I wish DICE would catch that memo, and quit sub-dividing and compartmentalizing their playerbase with each subsequent DLC.

[–]HColossus 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Microtransactions usually happen in a MP focused game, and most of the times they are meh...

Just look at the microtransactions on RE7, they don't make a goddamn diffrence

[–]LiddleJmanLiddleJman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

and in Overwatch. Literally makes no difference in your ability to win or lose a game.

[–]HColossus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Unless you are an outfit addict :(

[–]LiddleJmanLiddleJman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Almost true. It still has no effect on gameplay.

[–]troywww [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ARE YOU SUGGESTING WITCH MERCY DOESNT MAKE A DIFFERENCE???

[–]SonOfFlanCuddlyCereal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Microtransactions are not as bad on console games as people make them seem.

[–]swipe_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's like they have all the money, resources and free marketing that other studios would kill for or something.

[–]DeadAmongUsX 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

We're congratulating companies for not including microtransactions in a single-player game? Pathetic

[–]Esham 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My thoughts exactly. Not really pathetic per say but in SP games it's more common.

Then again gaming today is about multiplayer so in a sea of turds a fart bubble sticks out.

[–]Cormick 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know the bar is low for modern games when not being a pile of shit is something to be praised.

[–]darkultima [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This post seems douchey, is every game now going to be praised whether or not they use microtransactions?

[–]pulseout [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can we all just commend the developer of Big Rigs Over the Road Racing on not having any microtransactions or day-1 dlc.

Those things would have absolutely ruined and taken away from the amazing storyline

[–]SrsSteel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone make a site where we give tokens of appreciation to developers and tokens of meanness to them as well

[–]Doomgrin75 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And when you get to the end of the game, you will either cry when its over, or you will cry when they charge for an expansion.

[–]drummerjc5drummerjc5 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

You know there was a time where you bought a game and thats what you got. If you wanted extra content, you had to pay for it. What happened that now everybody just expects these developers to make stuff and give it away for free? Believe it or not but they arent just making these games for the love of games. It's their job. It's great when a developer makes something and makes the decision to give it away for free but we need to get away from this idea that anybody that ever charges for anything are evil and greedy. If somebody makes something, they have every right to decide to charge for it or not just like the consumer has every right to decide on whether or not what they're selling is worth the money or not.

[–]indrionGoldlyons [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

With that mentioned and appreciated, how do you feel about Witcher's DLC? If something like that was announced for Horizon I really wouldn't be upset at all.

[–]Soarinace 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean theres still plenty of time for them to add some...

[–]MojoPinnacle 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

DAE EA ubishit

[–]indeepth0ught [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'm one of those. Fuck them, I haven't played a good game by either of those shitty developers for a long time and if you just look at all the top games for PS4 this year you'll see that a lot of people would agree.

Go ahead and make fun of the "circlejerk". I'm just happy I made my point.

[–]wohlstandPlzSPAMme 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dont understand why this gets upvoted so much. Do you want to see more single player only games that lack all online modes and perfectionism that kills all creativity? And as long as people pay for online things as PS+ and GTA Online shark cards, you will see content for it. Its mostly perfectly optional, I never purchased any "Points" and dont plan to, yet I do prefer a game with tons of gameplay options for friends & me (so online modes) even if there is some bugs, so what?

[–]crazy4finalfantasyjigsawsapprentic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you want to see more single player only games that lack all online modes.

Yup sure do! Fuck multiplayer.

[–]losturtle1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's unbelievable the stupid filters people put games through to find things to commend or criticise. People are so generalised and simplified in their attitude and understanding towards everything that it's almost laughable how dramatic people are over stupid shit like this. I guarantee with the way this is going, we aren't going to even bother distinguishing between main story dlc and just plain old dlc or expansions. I remember Asura's Wrath held main story content behind dlc and it's how mmos expand their experiences, what other big games have held main story behind dlc? Not new character stuff or alternate perspectives on events but actually hiding the main story behind dlc.

How do people think they can even determine what should be in the main game? Some people in this thread throw out the "it should have been in the main game" but much less eloquently and with no reasoning or implication of even understanding the issue besides wanting more. I'm convinced that this can be a conversation when the people arguing about it actually have a basic and considered grasp of the issue. It seems most people see that others don't like it and just arbitrarily shit on all dlc without prejudice spouting consistent inaccuracies. This is where the "awareness" approach to issues fails. Simplify a message and you'll get an ignorant response.

[–]NerdSkullz [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

what's the point of micro-transactions in a single player game?

[–]klima111 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

do they really need congratulations for that? Just shun all the shitty developers who do otherwhise and we're good.

[–]Ikea_Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like how we have to commend developers for doing this.

We've fallen so far

[–]JudgeJBSjibs5869 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think this really warrants a congrats

[–]docwoj [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

You might as well commend someone for drinking a glass of water. This is supposed to be the standard.

[–]drummerjc5drummerjc5 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Right, every developer should make stuff and give it to me for free. How dare they charge for something that they worked on.

[–]docwoj [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

So by your logic you like when companies do day one paid dlc of stuff already on the disc?

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Just don't buy it if you don't want it...

[–]docwoj [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

When it impedes on the story and progression, hell yeah that's bullshit. All I'm saying it should be the standard that games aren't piecemealed, endings aren't given cliffhangers for paid DLC, etc

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'd love to see an example of cliffhangers for paid DLC in the past 3 years.

[–]docwoj [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

halo wars 2. the new dead rising. destiny. need any others?

[–]Shogun721 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It sad we actually have to admire someone to not put microtransactions in a game....

[–]caretotry_theseagain [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What the fuck, since when do you congratulate someone for a finished product. It's like congratulating home depot for selling screwdrivers with a handle

[–]TheBestWifesHusbandFoolishbean69 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm already sold on any and all non cosmetic dlc. Story dlc, new machines, new map areas, gimme gimme gimme!

[–]n_a_v_s [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You mean, exactly like the consumer has every right to not buy them if they did it say Guerrilla was being grinded- breakage, immersion- breakage.

[–]DrMantisTaboggn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Congratulations on a crappy circlejerk post that adds literally nothing of value to this sub. Are some of you capable of having an original thought? Or do you guys just hate whatever the internet tells you to?

[–]Esham 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

meh, its a single player game. Fairly common in the end.

[–]fapping_smurf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This post in itself is completely useless, idk why you people are getting mad at OP when you upvoted this garbage

[–]AeneaGamesAeneaZiggo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Next week they will announce multiplayer DLC filled to the brim with microtransactions! :D

Seriously tho I do hope they make some excellent DLC for it! Want to explore more after I finished it!

[–]Eggyhead [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not looking forward to buying all future DLC individually, though. I'd have rather had a bundled pass up front, to be honest. I don't like revisiting my credit card.

[–]Why_the_hate_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know what though? I really want dlc. Witcher like dlc. Otherwise no, of course. I hope they make a second game to expand on the ending at least.

[–]CrossBones3129I_CrossBones_I [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are main missions different each time? Or similar structure? I have it bought and on the way.

Coming from Xbox I made a vow to try any Playstation exclusive games. So far they've been always good. Just singleplayer only games usually get shelved after I beat the story.

[–]rifain [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, you have a deluxe version with some arc and additional stuff.

[–]novusprime28 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

what micro transactions could even be made for a game like this?

[–]-Vertex- [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Yes, they're made for single player open world games all the time.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Answer his question

[–]-Vertex- [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Costumes, weapons, items, item location maps just off the top of my head.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

LOL... You think COSTUMES are gonna affect my in game experience? You realize horizon has all of those things as preorder DLC?

[–]-Vertex- [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ehh? How does this have anything to do with OP's question? He asked if a game like this could have micro transactions, those are ways in which they could have if they had wanted to...What the hell does that have to do with your 'in game experience' exactly?

Also, yes I'm aware costumes are pre-order DLC, they could have made them micro transactions instead or simply had extra ones as micro DLC.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So you're okay with pre order DLC?

[–]-Vertex- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think I've actually stated an actual opinion on either pre-order or micro DLC as concepts... All I've literally commented on is objectively what the dev physically could have made micro DLC in the game as OP wasn't sure they could.

[–]dartron5000 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

level boosts, currency, resources, outfits. ubisoft wouldn't have hesitated to do it in a game like this.

[–]drummerjc5drummerjc5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

and people wouldn't have hasitated to buy them. i hate this idea that anybody that tries to make money is evil. if ubisoft made those boosts, currency, outfits, resources, they have a right to charge for them, just like everybody else has the right to not buy them if they dont think they're worth the money.

[–]baseball2224 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well this game doesn't even have online right? It shouldn't have microtransactions anyways.

[–]UpSiize [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Do single player games ever have microtransactions?

[–]SinistralGuyTheRealUzi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Shadow of Mordor did. I think Assassin's Creed games do.

[–]NoBulletNoBullet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What's to say they can't release some later? Rocket league didn't think they'd be making a shit ton of dlc until it became popular.

[–]indeepth0ught [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow, the comments here are fucking suspicious. Making fun of OP brutally for just talking about objectively good shit, a complete game without bullshit DLC or stupid microtransactions.

Doesn't seem natural at all, probably game companies hiring "reputation management" services to get this bizarre shit going.

[–]blastoise_Hoop_Gawd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is why I bought it full price day 1.

If it had shit ripped out as DLC/micro garbage? I'd be playing a rented copy or a used copy in 2 years.

[–]slaur[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the entire industry is proud of them and is currently praising them. Let's hope it doesn't get to their heads!

[–]Subliminal19 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a really sad state of affairs when we as consumers have to congratulate studios and publishers for not having anti-consumer practices. People talk about how much they hate DLC and paywalls but then pre-order EA or Ubisoft's next big game. Vote with your wallets.

[–]Grimm0129 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yea this might be a little premature...

[–]Kawaii_Deshou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Killzone weapon pack DLC and skins coming soon!

[–]CrossBones3129I_CrossBones_I [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Question. Is this game's open world and side activities entertaining or just the regular uninteresting side stuff? Haven't bought the game and was wondering if it'd be bettee to buy or rent...

[–]troywww [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There are a lot of cool and unique side missions to find, as well as trials which are basically challenges/obstacle courses that let you approach them in different ways and test out your different equipment.

There's also a good amount of collectibles to track down if you're into that. Searching for them takes you off the beaten path and into some pretty tough areas that you wouldn't really have to go to otherwise.

I don't have much time to really spend on all the extra stuff in this game so I've mostly been blasting through the main story whenever I get a chance. However, the few side quests and treasure hunts that I've gone on have all been unique and rewarding and I think they'd be worth your time.

[–]Fullbryte 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I absolutely detest micro transactions in single player campaigns. U4 does it well as it only exists in MP as cosmetic items. While there are loot boxes in HZD you can purchase with metal shards, I commend Guerrilla and more importantly Sony to restrain themselves in order to deliver a more immersive and rewarding experience as a result.

[–]jellytothebones 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What is actually amazing me isn't there isn't some dlc or season pass either. Even if there is later, they weren't cocky or arrogant about their new IP before launch and dedicated development solely to the base game.

[–]jkcanter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

2k is the absolute worst when it comes to micro transactions. There isn't even a contest.

[–]pasta_firepasta_fire [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just a friendly reminder that microtransactions are fine if they don't make things pay to win. No need to whiteknight for a game that is already excellent.

[–]CilantroAssassin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is great and we need to stop and appreciate it. Oh and buy the shit out of this game.

[–]dwilssPapaEmeritusVII -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (23子コメント)

You mean, exactly like the Witcher? Not only that, but FREE add-ons like quests, armor, and alternate costumes. Let's not pretend Guerilla is doing anything groundbreaking, please.

[–]Dandelegion 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You must have forgotten where you are.

[–]dwilssPapaEmeritusVII 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The official Horizon screenshot sub?

[–]Dandelegion 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah... nevermind, you know where you are haha.