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[–]no4uSpecs/Imgur here 610 ポイント611 ポイント  (30子コメント)

It's because he's eating thermal paste.

Where's that story about a person eating it and becoming the supply for the next batch of paste?

[–]Blackforce1012i5-3350p | Windforce GTX970 | 16GB DDR3-1600 426 ポイント427 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Found it.

Within a couple of hours the wound would begin to appear to heal. A small scab will form but toxin has already entered your blood stream. In a few days, depending on your body's natural resistance to toxins, your core temperature will begin to fall. You begin to notice yourself feeling the chills when it should be warm, you put on a couple of wool sweaters to ward off the chills but it seems not to help. Afterall, how could it? You're getting chilled from the inside out. The first phase of infection has begun and your body has by now exhausted its immune system fighting the thermal paste but each death of a white blood cell only serves to strengthen the thermal paste infection. As each cell dies, it is repeatedly assimilated by the thermal paste, becoming part of the deadly agent taking over your body bit by bit, day by day.

Within weeks of infection, you can no longer function as a human being, you are bedridden yet you have an insatiable hunger for toothpaste and axle grease. Several men in suits knock your door, but you are too weak to answer. It was not necessary anyway. Your door is ripped apart by its hinges and they enter, bundling you into a large black duffle bag and driving off in an unmarked black van. As you arrive at the factory, the prison that will hold you the rest of your life, the hood slips off and you notice a large signboard in front of the derelict factory. It is marked "Arctic Cooling".

As you are dragged into the factory, your intestines knot out and you lose control of your bowels leaving a long trail to your cell. You notice that instead of a reassuring, pungent brown stain, you leave behind a trail of gray sludge. It cannot be, you tell yourself. But it is. You have become an unwilling host and producer for the next generation of Arctic Cooling thermal paste.

[–]ClubjustinDell Insprion 15 7559 W/i7 16gb RAM M.2 256 SSD 183 ポイント184 ポイント  (15子コメント)

So the gunk I put on my CPU is... Shit.

[–]omarfwFX8320, 16Gbs DDR3, GTX 970 G1, 950 Evo 1Tb 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (14子コメント)

grey shit. yes.

[–]ClubjustinDell Insprion 15 7559 W/i7 16gb RAM M.2 256 SSD 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Time the scrape off the compound and replace it with toothpaste.

[–]jjhhgg1001233XA4R-C2QMQ-PEKF8 - VVVVVV 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (8子コメント)

And axle grease

[–]TulkasWanderer 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Mayonnaise is the best.

[–]TheFirstUranium 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mayonez.

[–]gingrawrThis got expensive fast. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

cheeki breeki

[–]Ea-rlI5 6600 Sapphire RX 480 4gb (not anymore thanks dad) 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Boris?

[–]MagicHamstaServer Hamster, Reporting for Duty. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And axle grease

The rock star?

[–]Warp__1700X, GTX 1080, Dell U3415W | 🔥🔥 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

rock fat star

Fixed it for you

[–]pink_ego_box 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Arctic Silver is people !

[–]PandaReichi5 6600K GTX1070 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Arctic Silver: Soylent green edition

[–]linux_n00by 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

i really thought this was that wwe story about undertaker

[–]PCKid11 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

yeah, this story reminds me of the time the CIA kidnapped me back in nineteen ninety-eight, when the undertaker threw mankind off hell in a cell and plummeted sixteen feet through an announcer's table.

e: six years off

[–]vladimirdanIntel i3-6100,8GB DDR4 RAM,GT 730,Win 10 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It never gets old!Question:Who's the author?

[–]PDespereaux 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But who was the first?!

[–]Frutesi5 6600k, 16 GB DDR4, RX480 8GB (gtx1080 soon) 420 ポイント421 ポイント  (37子コメント)

C I N E M A T I C

[–]LinLeyLin 693 ポイント694 ポイント  (35子コメント)

        C I N E M A T I C
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C I N E M A T I C       M
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[–]Blundellsexuali7 740, Radeon 5870, 6GB 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Cinecubed

[–]DeusXEqualsOneD U A L B O O T E D 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Sin3 (x)

?

[–]KevlarGorillai7 6700K - GTX 970 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Sure, cos why not.

[–]EgoTrip26i5 6600K | ASUS Strix GTX 1070 | P1CleanerThanYourChurchShoes 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (9子コメント)

That pun was a sin.

Edit: I suck at pun threads and didn't see the one above you. I will take my punishments in the form of downvotes.

[–]C010RIZED 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (6子コメント)

At least you can tan in hell with the rest of the sinners. You might even get your own little sec-tion.

[–]Amanat361FX-8350 / GTX 1070 / 16 GB RAM 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Guys I just finished trig. Stop you're giving me flash backs.

[–]MimicalPatch-zerg 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (3子コメント)

SOH CAH TOA

[–]zombie-yellow11FX-8350 @ 5.0GHz 1.46v | R9 290 4GB | 8GB of RAM 1600MHz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck trig. Seriously. I still have PTSD from having to do derivatives of inverted trig functions...

[–]Bear_Tacoi7-6700K | MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X | 16GB RAM | GA-H170 Gaming 3 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't want to downvote you, but you told me too.

[–]Epsiliai5-4690k @ 3.5GHz | GTX 1070 | 8GB DDR4 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Soh what if they don't understand your humor.

[–]YouWantALimeGTX 960m | i7-6700HQ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Integral of sin3 (x)
= sin2 (x) * sin (x)
= 1 - cos2 (x) sin (x)
= sin (x) - cos2 (x) * sin (x)
= Integral sin (x) - Integral cos2 (x) sin (x)
= -cos (x) + (cos3 (x))/3

[–]ProcrastinatorMax1Radeon R9 390 8GB GDDR5 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This triggered me

[–]YouWantALimeGTX 960m | i7-6700HQ 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

(triggered2)/2

[–]DeusXEqualsOneD U A L B O O T E D 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

d/dx( this username does NOT check out.)

[–]4stringkingi5-3750 16GB | GTX750 1GB 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Assuming that's triggered (x), if you're integrating dx. Need to use chain rule otherwise

[–]SimonLaFox 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Half-Life 3 confirmed?

[–]All_Fallible 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have a theory, but you'd have to be desperate and a little unhinged to believe it. Half Life movie reboot of the series, leading into a Half Life VR. Basically leave the past in the past and build from the ground up. Makes sense since Gordan will be given a voice in the movie release that's been announced, meaning they can do different things with the stories, and it's been so long since the last games were released that it may be better narratively to do a hard reboot of the series using the movie to reintroduce the IP in time for their work on Half Life VR to finish. Steam only makes Half Life games to push boundaries and they've been waiting for the next viable technological leap to build another Half Life game to utilize.

I have... AMA posts to support my crackpot theory of course. Sort of like how some people have a corkboards covered in photos and articles with yarn connecting different things. I can scrounge them together once you've finished calling me crazy for being unable to let go of a decade old franchise.

Well jokes on you, because I'm also still waiting for Starcraft: Ghost. My patience has reached unstable boundaries, but you gotta have faith in something.

[–]b_fnkRIP Valve 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Starcraft: Ghost

The decision to not release that game was a great one. Blizzard only make exceptional games, and at that time, the game wouldn't have been exceptional at all.

Even today, it might not be, but Overwatch definitely gave them something to work upon, or at the very least some invaluable experience they can use for a SC FPS game, some day.

As to what you wrote about HL3... you might be onto something. Your arguments definitely make sense are in line with what Valve have been doing with HL so far.

The bar for 3 is set so high, that a new breakthrough in gaming technology might really be their only ticket. This only makes things about time, not about whether it will happen at all.

[–]malt2048i5-7600K@4.7 | RX 480 4GB | 16GB RAM | P400S Tempered Glass 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Derivative of sin3 (x)

= d/dx( (sin (x))3 )

= 3 * sin2 (x) * cos (x)

[–]wtcc16Fx 8350, Sapphire Nitro R9 380 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's impressive

[–]Wjb97 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

While technically correct that 30fps is "more cinematic" due to movies being filmed around 24fps. That ideology doesn't transfer over to games where they're able to compensate for quick movement due to animation.

It's correct in the sense of someone saying "I'll give you as much money as you want" and asking for $100, sure it's great to be given $100 but you could just as easily get $1,000,000 and it'd be so much better.

[–]Haz_1080...p 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (10子コメント)

[–]CampyJejuniLenovo T530/ openSUSE Leap 42.2 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sad. What has Nintendo come to? Sad!

[–]keepinithamsta4770K, AMD7950 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't a defect, they are a feature..

[–]Weegee64101 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not to defend Nintendo but most Pc monitor and laptop brands have similar policies. If you're going to hate on them do it on a real problem

[–]shutup_Aragorn 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which ones? I worked for several years repairing and ordering parts for dell, Samsung, hp, and Apple laptops doing warranty work.

All had a dead pixel policy, some would only replace it at more than one dead pixel, but all would replace with 2 or more.

[–]tha_dood 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even Westinghouse tvs have dead pixel policies lol

[–]brainpostman 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I decided to make a slight alteration.

[–]wbhitei7-4790 3.6GHz, 16GB RAM, GTX 750 Ti 2GB 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent

[–]phillysan 269 ポイント270 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Holy shit how have I never seen this. You've just made my morning, internet stranger

[–]Dneverend[S] 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (10子コメント)

you're very welcome!

[–]Valtermann 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (9子コメント)

He was joking.

[–]mrjordannhttps://pcpartpicker.com/b/qs3Ff7 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Aw. I wasn't prepared for this emotional rollercoaster

[–]Dneverend[S] 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Poe's Law is off the scale with this one then

[–]pureProduct 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Poo's law

[–]soulstonedomg 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Poo slaw.

[–]NigelDuckrag2 year old pc, still does the job 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something something finger guns

[–]captaincheeseburger1Intel E7500/EVGA Geforce 560ti/320gb WD HDD/4gb ram 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woo woo

[–]Bayerrc 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Poe's law is not in effect here. The law is not about the fact that it is difficult to discern sarcasm in text; it refers to opinions so ludicrous that it is impossible to tell whether they are being sarcastic or not.

[–]Zoani7 6850k | 1080GTX | 16GB RAM | OC'ed Custom Loop 174 ポイント175 ポイント  (36子コメント)

I love rebuking this argument. I do it quite frequently when a non-techie friend (or family member) asks what monitor they should buy and want to know what the refresh rate is all about. I take my 144Hz monitor and turn it down to 30Hz, take a window and move the mouse around for them to see how "choppy" the movement is. I repeat the process at 60hz and 144hz. Afterwards, I open a game up and repeat the test; it's like they're seeing fireworks for the first time going from 60 to 144hz. To further blow their minds, I'll take a "windowed" game and drag it from my 1080p monitor to the 1440p... confetti comes shooting out their ears lol.

But in defense of consoles, they do have a niche for those who aren't tech savvy; just "set" (buy) it and forget it. People just need to stop puppeting the BS argument(s) ;).

[–]RobO2112i5 6500 // GTX1070 // 16GB 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I recently showed my mom the difference between 30/60/144 fps. Went from 60, down to 30, back to 60, up to 144, and then back to 60. She said "Wow, the first one was nice and then the... the higher one, that was really really smooth, but the second one, the low one, that made me a little nauseous watching it."

PCMR mother confirmed.

[–]akjoltoy 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

pc mother race

[–]Warp__1700X, GTX 1080, Dell U3415W | 🔥🔥 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not my mother, Dammit

[–]Syiuu 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am now imagining you have your mother sit on a chair with that big lensometer that you use when testing out your vision at the doctor's all the while saying "Better, or worse?" and clicking back and forth.

[–]MumrikDK 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

take a window and move the mouse around for them to see how "choppy" the movement is.

It's the absolutely strongest demonstration for framerate. I haven't had my monitor overclocked beyond 120hz (it's a 60 stock), but even whipping around the mouse at 120, and then stepping down to 90 is a sad experience.

People just somehow don't question the fact that they're hardly seeing the mouse during movement at 60.

[–]baryonyxeri3 6100, Radeon r9 380 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When i lose my mouse pointer it takes me a full two seconds of whipping the mouse around to find it sometimes on my 60hz monitors. On my friends 144hz it's so fast

[–]--CAT-- 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do you have a 1440 144hz monitor? Which one is it

[–]Zoani7 6850k | 1080GTX | 16GB RAM | OC'ed Custom Loop 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]PSI_Rockin_Omega 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I want to get this monitor but keep seeing reviews saying that there is major back light bleed. Have you experienced this issue?

[–]Zoani7 6850k | 1080GTX | 16GB RAM | OC'ed Custom Loop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure where you've seen the reviews from, but there is a possibility the reviewer(s) thought the monitor's price tag would completely eliminate the light "dark" areas (which you just can't do that with an LCD monitor, as far as I know) or the monitor wasn't properly configured for their application/game.

For me personally, I prefer a higher contrast in color because I play more competitive FPS game (Overwatch) than say an RPG, where I'd want to be more immersed.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt though because I'm color deficient (red/green) and have gotten use to not seeing pictures the way most people do ;).

Also FWIW, ASUS did offer to replace the "initial" batches of this monitor because they didn't receive an internal "QA Test" that was implemented after the initial batches shipped. If you know someone who is unhappy with it, send them to this ASUS page... or offer to buy the monitor off them because I think you'll be quite happy with it ;).

EDIT: I apologize, I went off on a tangent without answering your question directly: No, I haven't experienced significant back light bleed. As I said above, all monitors have a glow to them to some degree, and the amount this one has is not enough for me to complain or wish I hadn't purchased it; I'm 100% happy.

If you want a high refresh rate, g-sync, low bezel monitor, and the price is within your budget, get this one.

[–]snowball666 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

UFO test is an easy way to side by side show the difference

https://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates

[–]claytakephotos 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This would be a more accurate test, given that the ufo test doesn't account for motion blur. That said, neither test accounts for shutter angle, so you're not really going to get a substantive comparison between what you're likely to see in a game vs in a film. This is all before you even consider that films and games are entirely different mediums that don't necessarily have matching criteria for what makes them look "good".

http://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

[–]tecnicaltictac 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't play a lot of games anymore and because I don't need a good computer for uni my newest pc is a 6 year old laptop. However I bought a Xbone when it first came out and honestly, it's the best platform for, since I don't have to worry about it at all. Obviously it doesn't have the best graphics and so forth, but the one time a month when I don't watch Netflix on it, I don't really care how many polygons that guy has or how fluent the game actually is.

So for me, a console is the superior gaming platform. But that isn't really super significant, I mean, isn't nowadays the phone the most common place for people to play games?

[–]Selthor 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, when we say "most superior" we are usually talking about highest quality. Even though a console might be the best fit for you because of price or convenience, that doesn't make it the superior system.

[–]jl2352 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, isn't nowadays the phone the most common place for people to play games?

Yup. Dunno about the most common, but the phone games market is fucking huge.

[–]SMFCTOGE 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most common != most superior

[–]Steel_Streami5 3350P, r9 270x, 8GB RAM 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most cost-effective (in most cases where the buyer doesn't know anything about hardware) or user-friendly, sure, but I wouldn't say the superior when you can have a specialised rig with top-end cards in SLI and whatnot, putting aside the prices for a second.

[–]user_82650 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Oh gee you mean more expensive things are better. How fucking shocking.

Can you build a computer that runs games at 144 FPS for $240?

Edit: the constant implication in this sub is that PCs run at 60FPS. That's just mixing things to confuse people. You can't point at $250 PCs to say "see, PCs are just as cheap" and then point at $1000 PCs to say "see, PCs run at faster FPS".

[–]QuantumElectronicsDui5-2500 / GTX 750 Ti / 8GB 1600 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, but I can build one that runs games at 30fps / 60fps (for less visually demanding games intended for a faster pace) for $240 if I'm using old parts . . . like consoles are already old parts.

[–]snowball666 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you build a computer that runs games at 144 FPS for $240?

Depends on the game.

But sure for CS:GO, LoL, ect.

Used i5 office workstation from eBay and a used 750Ti or equivalent.

[–]LeafsAndJays 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I picture pooh sounding like randy marsh when he goes insane during the blockbuster episode

[–]soulstonedomg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or after Randy gets infected by the member berries.

[–]cooper8898 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It actually looks like thermal compound.

[–]Wildcard777http://steamcommunity.com/id/Wildcard777/ 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If propaganda had a color then I'd imagine "wet newspaper" and this color is close to spot on.

[–]Timinator01FX-9590 | GTX970 | 16Gb DDR3 1866 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (68子コメント)

The human eye can only see 30fps

isn't the standard argument 24fps ?

[–]Joka_37I7-3770 | GTX 680 | 16GB DDR3 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (60子コメント)

This argument doesn't make any sense in the first place, so you have a lot of versions.

[–]ClubjustinDell Insprion 15 7559 W/i7 16gb RAM M.2 256 SSD 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (57子コメント)

Then why did everyone complain about the hobbit?

[–]moneyman12qUsername == Steam id 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it's different

[–]user_82650 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, it's because they're stupid too.

[–]omarfwFX8320, 16Gbs DDR3, GTX 970 G1, 950 Evo 1Tb 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (13子コメント)

because the human eye can perceive much higher than 30 which means it can perceive the difference between 24 and 42 fps, which made the movie seem "soap opera-ey" to a lot of people.

[–]FunctionFnSpecs/Imgur here 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also because Soap operas (and a lot of TV) is actually filmed played at near 60 fps

[–]TheRealMrWillis 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep! Recording video is different from recording film.

[–]omarfwFX8320, 16Gbs DDR3, GTX 970 G1, 950 Evo 1Tb 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

filmed at 30 then interleaved to 40-60 depending on the channel

[–]NormanQuacks345pretty shit tbh 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is that why soap operas look so weird?

[–]omarfwFX8320, 16Gbs DDR3, GTX 970 G1, 950 Evo 1Tb 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

soap operas are filmed at 30fps and interleaved to mimic higher frame rates. higher than film in any case.

[–]Googlesnarks 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

soap operas are filmed at 30fps and are generally poorly lit and executed, so unfortunately now anything at 30fps looks like shit because so many times you've seen things at 30fps be shit.

[–]Insomniac199 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How many fps can the human eye ACTUALLY detect?

[–]omarfwFX8320, 16Gbs DDR3, GTX 970 G1, 950 Evo 1Tb 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no set maximum limit because the human eye isn't electronic and real life doesn't operate in frames. Most likely, it changes how fast it perceives visual changes depending on what you're looking at, and whether you're engaging your sympathetic nervous system and experiencing an adrenaline surge. If you wave your hand in front of your face you perceive it to be choppy, but only because your brain has no need for it to not be choppy because it doesn't represent a threat.

There are jet pilots who were tested as being able to notice a streak of light passing across an ultra high refresh rate monitor at up to 240 fps, but obviously that doesn't mean every person is going to be capable of this.

Speaking incredibly generally, the average person stops noticing visual differences beyond the 70-90 fps range, but you don't stop noticing an increase in responsiveness. The higher the framerate, the less delay there is between a keystroke and an on-screen update.

When you're actively manipulating something, your brain expects things to change instantaneously as they do in real life, so it's able to perceive when visual feedback is slower than instant, even if it's just barely slower. fps is only one factor when it comes to input delay, but it's an important one.

[–]MumrikDK 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Because noticeable improvement is different.

Some people want the low fps because it's what they think cinematic is. The even thicker crowd who claims you can only see 24/30 you'd think felt cheated by the HFR premium. I mean, surely they couldn't tell a difference...

[–]ClubjustinDell Insprion 15 7559 W/i7 16gb RAM M.2 256 SSD 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw people leaving the cinema after it started. All the better, I took their abandoned popcorn.

[–]Brillegeiti920/n560 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because we're used to the film medium presenting a story in a certain way, with the visual being one of many parts. The visual parts is both about what you show and what you don't show, and artifacts of film is one of the way to filter between these two; shallow depth of field, motion blur, lack of sharpness, and how movement is tracked. If you see the hero running down a battle field, the camera tracks him and he's the only object in focus, and our eyes translates this image into "the hero runs down the busy battle field with many other and unimportant characters around him". We easily focus and understand the simple story the images tells us, and the lack of information around him isn't a problem, and makes sure everyone sees the same.

But the way The Hobbit was filmed, this same scene is suddenly translated into 50 characters fighting, some with bad costumes, movements clearly exaggerated and slow, and if you're lucky you recognize that one of them is the hero, but you're not sure if you're supposed to see something else happening at the same time. Your eyes race around the image, and you use a lot of concentration on extrapolating by the panning and movement where you're supposed to focus.

And in scenes with less motion you end up seeing too much details, both in the foreground, background, and on the target, so you see that a lot of the physics, movement, breathing, makeup, costumes are all fake. With enough details the illusion of the world the film tries show is broken, and you end up with an uncanny valley experience.

[–]Zyber0i7 3820 - GTX 680 - 8GB DDR3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone? I never complained, it looked good to me.

[–]jl2352 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When you raise the quality of the medium, then defects become more obvious.

It's like how when TV shows moved to HD it made all the TV hosts suddenly looked uglier. You could now see the lines and wrinkles on their face, the use of makeup was more obvious, and these were blurred out at a lower resolution.

With a higher frame rate it's much easier to notice that things don't move as accurately as how they are made to look.

[–]FreeFacts 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, human eyes do not see in frames. It is constant flow of partial information, and no distinct separate frames. Only thing even remotely framey is blinking.

[–]Cranmanstani7-6700k GTX1060 144fps 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a reason we call them peasants. They made a lot of absolutely idiotic arguments and would just keep repeating them, until most of us just decided we would no longer even bother talking to them.

[–]Ursasaurus 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes and no, the standard threshold that early film makers originally used within cinema was between 16 and 24 fps. This was the proposed zone in which the human eye gets tricked into thinking it is seeing motion rather than a series of images. The main problem with this is that people nowadays misunderstand this as "the human eye can only see 24 fps" rather than realizing that 24 is basically the bare minimum we need to even think we are seeing motion.

[–]Joka_37I7-3770 | GTX 680 | 16GB DDR3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should frame this explanation on your wall really ;)

[–]Deivv 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The whole 24fps argument is that it's "more cinematic"

[–]reincarN8ed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who cares? Wrong is wrong.

[–]Sofyan990 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (33子コメント)

"PC gaming cost $10000 and you have to upgrade it every year so you can play newer games"

[–]AtomicFlx 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Lol, my computer has officially outlasted 3 generations of consoles, so no. No upgrades needed.

[–]aberdoom 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (14子コメント)

You've had the same PC since the PS1?

[–]famouslastwords 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, he's still rocking his Pentium 2 and 4MB of RAM. But it's cool, he has a lot of space on his Iomega Zip Drive to store all his porn.

Edit: Does Crysis even run on Windows 3.1??

[–]temporalarcheologistR9 390 | 16GB RAM | Win10 | Intel Core i5-2500K 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]The_Fox_Cant_Talk 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was going to correct you but OP said "outlasted" so I guess you'd be right

[–]omarfwFX8320, 16Gbs DDR3, GTX 970 G1, 950 Evo 1Tb 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

My 2013 build is just now starting to choke a bit on modern games.

[–]reincarN8ed 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Built in 2010, only now needing to upgrade.

[–]SkjellnirAsus 1070/i5 6600K/16GB RAM/Z170K Mainboard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess it really depends on how much money you spend, how good the individual manufacturing quality of the parts you got is in the first place and how you maintain them (cleaning/dusting, setting up your system freshly from time to time.)

[–]Buoya11i7 5820K 6-Core @ 4.7GHz, GTX 1080, 16GB DDR4 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It mostly depends on how high he wants his graphics settings to be. Console games don't run anywhere close to the graphical settings that PC games are shipped with, and he could always turn them down in the right spots while still making his games look better than a console game, AND with a better frame rate.

[–]WorstGabeNAi5 4460@3.2GHtz|EVGA GTX 1060 6GB|8GB DDR3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are your specs?

[–]LegacySystem 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But how much did it initially cost?

[–]SSMFA20 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh my... This myth kills me more than any other out there, due to having such a vested interest in PC gaming. This is such a common myth that it honestly makes my head hurt.

I'd like to correct this and if only 4 people walk away after seeing this thread and know better, I'll feel great. I'm going to keep this simple.

Myelinated nerves can fire between 300 to 1000 times per second in the human body and transmit information at 200 miles per hour. What matters here is how frequently these nerves can fire (or "send messages").

The nerves in your eye are not exempt from this limit. Your eyes can physiologically transmit data that quickly and your eyes/brain working together can interpret up to 1000 frames per second.

However, we know from experimenting (as well as simple anecdotal experience) that there is a diminishing return in what frames per second people are able to identify. Although the human eye and brain can interpret up to 1000 frames per second, someone sitting in a chair and actively guessing at how high a framerate is can, on average, interpet up to about 150 frames per second.

But please, don't let this console peasantry distract you from the fact, in nineteen ninety eight the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16ft through an announcer's table.

[–]tet5uo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A man broke in half that day.

[–]2FastHaste1440p@144Hz G-sync MasterRace 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know what you base your number on.

But I'd like to make something clear for people reading this.

The frame rate/refresh rate you would need to fool the human eye into seeing life-like motion on a monitor (on any on our fast paced games where we control the camera panning/rotation with the mouse) is much higher than 150, 300 or even 1000.

As those would not be enough to keep persistence based eye tracking motion blur and phantom array effects below our perception on fast motions (like say 2000+ pixels/second and up)

1000fps at 1000Hz still gives 2 pixels of motion blur on tracked 2000 pixels/s motions. And 2 pixels wide gaps between stroboscopic steps on motions relative to the stare.

And those artifacts increase if the motion is faster. If you play a twitch shooter, you would need several thousands fps on a several thousand Hz capable monitor.

[–]pyronius 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would just like to point out for the sake of conpleteness that the receptors in your eyes function differently from a typical nerve because they have to receive light rather than a chemical signal. Its also worth noting that while there is an upper limit on the framerate of the human eye (despite my younger brother's refusal to believe me) its a bit more gray than black and white because not all your eyes receptors fire at once.

If for instance a miniscule amount of light was fired rapidly at your eye in a very dark room then on the first pulse some of your eye's receotors would fire, but other would remain unaffected. If the second pulse fired before your eye could reset then that doesn't mean that you would fail to see the light, obly that it would have to strike a different part of your eye for you to see it.

The upper limit comes into play when there's enough light to saturate your receptors before they can reset either because the pulse (framerate) is fast enough or because the light was bright enough.

[–]ItzzFiniteA10-7850k 4.5GHz | RX480 @ 1340MHz | 16 GB 2400 RAM 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

My PC gamer soon to be brother in law told me that you cant see above 60fps last night. Like. How do play pc, and still say that.

[–]Aski09GTX 980 Ti 6G, i7-6700k Skylake 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's weird how so people believe humans function like a camera.

[–]Rocky87109Specs/Imgur here 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The "can't see over" argument has merit in certain circumstances. If an led is blinking over 30 times per second, you can't tell it is blinking. It looks constant. If it is under 30 blinks per second you can tell. However, this doesn't exactly translate into video games. Video games are more dynamic than a light flashing.

[–]Aski09GTX 980 Ti 6G, i7-6700k Skylake 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We can't see it blinking because we percieve everything as a smooth video. I'm not a native english speaker, so phrasing is a little difficult, but the flashes blend together. If the led flashing is still, it's not a problem, however the constant motion we see is smoother if it blinks faster.

[–]user_82650 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well... we do function like a camera. There are a lot of differences but also a lot of similarities. So it's not that weird.

[–]Aski09GTX 980 Ti 6G, i7-6700k Skylake 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mechanism behind percieving the light is completely different, and a camera does not have a brain to twist the image.

[–]ProfitOfRegret 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you only have a 60hz monitor, you can't see anything above 60fps.

[–]ItzzFiniteA10-7850k 4.5GHz | RX480 @ 1340MHz | 16 GB 2400 RAM 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He very specifically said the human eye can't see above 60 fps.

[–]baryonyxeri3 6100, Radeon r9 380 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is a huge difference between 60fps and 90fps even on a 60hz monitor

[–]NYbeasti5 4690k @ 3.5 Ghz | MSI GTX 970 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Time to break off the marriage

[–]YouAreCat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a laptop user I dream of the day I reach 30 fps

[–]Shaodwbentalbot2000 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

My fucking physics teacher with a PhD. said that the eyes can only see about 50 Hz the other day. Tried arguing but he wasn't having it.

[–]masked_butt_toucheri7 4690K, 1080 FTW, 16 GB DDR4 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's crazy how they were able to get the comic to display at console frame rate.

[–]PhiliDipsAthlon X4 860K, R7 370, 8GB DDR3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quoi

[–]MrJabberwocki7 3610QM | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 660M 2GB | SteamID: 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Everytime I see the 30fps thing, I remember a video game design course I took where the professor told us to only make 30fps After Effects animations, because the human eye can't see more than that. You'd think a college professor teaching video game design would know better...

[–]Chem2Hardi5-4690k | GTX 760 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My psychology textbook says it's 24 fps. Does that make psychologist lesser beings than console players?

[–]Camper1995i5-4690k @ 4.4Ghz, GTX 1070, 16GB, 850W 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]Kushkush6902i3-4000M | Gt 710m | 8gt ddr3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

20fps according to nintendo

[–]Zer0DotFive 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha. I love their games but that 20 - 30 fps is awful.

[–]SirSemtex 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't have to upgrade my console every year. /s

[–]redditstonetorchesi5-6600K @4.3GHz | GTX 1080 FTW 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Better add a /s, for your sake

[–]SirSemtex 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why it's in italic. But hey, a console peasant might take me serious.

[–]Bayerrc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do people really say that?

[–]ProfitOfRegret 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've only ever seen it said ironically. If anything the argument will be "30fps is good enough"

[–]Electrohead92 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes; some even argue that 30fps is more "cinematic".

[–]Khuprus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Totally reasonable that people would say 30fps looks more "cinematic" considering... most every film from their childhood through adult life is presented at ~30fps. Right?

[–]PlexasAideroni7 2600k, Asus Sabertooth P67 b3, 16GB, GTX 970 G1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

24 afaik

[–]titaniumjew 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mostly devs who don't have an actual reason to properly optimize games.

[–]t0lkien1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes it was an argument pushed by console companies, some PC devs, and peasants alike until it was smashed by actual tests. I remember it clearly as I was there. Forums were filled with the argument for years.

That is why this meme exists. You can almost set your watch to the time it takes for the side that loses arguments like this to eventually deny the argument ever happened. It's a repeating pathology.

Now let's go around the mountain again and cover the difference between 24fps film, motion blur, why it's fundamentally different to static game frames, and even so why IMAX is a thing.

[–]LeibnizIntegralKeks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am much more annoyed with 24 fps movies than I am with 30 fps games.

[–]Lorbeni5 4690K / GTX 970 / 16GB DDR3 2400 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Frequent dips from 30 to 20fps are fine. GOTY material. 10/10 all around.

[–]Zer0DotFive 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Had a die hard Nintendo friend tell me his Switch was playing at 1080p 60fps, when I linked him articles and videos reporting the 900p and 20- 30 fps stuff he got all defensive saying it doesnt matter how smooth a game is, only the gameplay matters

[–]Lorbeni5 4690K / GTX 970 / 16GB DDR3 2400 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair I'm about 15 hours into the Wii U version and the game is a lot of fun.

Pretending like the game isn't flawed by the performance issues it has doesn't do anyone any favors though.

[–]herohamp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember kids! We can only see how many frames consoles can see! Once they upgrade to 60fps we will be able to see 60!

[–]My-Work-Reddit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read that in Pooh's voice.

[–]thecawk22i5-6500, GTX 1060, Asrock z170 Extreme 6, 24 GB RAM 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since the ps4 pro is out, it has changed to "the human eye can't see over 60fps"

[–]lord_darovitSpecs/Imgur here 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since the release of the Xbox One/PS4 and their few games that can run 60 FPS, no one says this anymore. They've already realized.

[–]mateo416 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's honestly hilarious PC gamers are obsessed with console gaming more than console gamers are, meanwhile the majority of people couldn't care less which system is superior.

But I mean, if PC gamers have to make an entire subreddit dedicated to their insecurities about it, well.. that says it all really

[–]shogunreaperAsus Z170 PRO GAMING, i5 6600k, 16GB Ram, MSI 1060 ARMOR 6G OCV1 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

if console gamers didn't care these types of things never would have become a meme.

[–]asdGuaripolo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't this meme born because of "the consoles wars" when fans of Sony and Xbox were fighting to decide the better console and then pc users said that obviously PC is better on performance? ... Making It obvious that all of this started because console fans cared too much

[–]JacobGamingBuzz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dare anyone who uses that rhetoric to try playing a vr game at 30fps for 5 minutes. Typically only takes 2-3 to prove them wrong.

[–]AhriKyuubi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

idk how they came with this lie, the image looks way smoother at 60fps than on 30, and it's very noticeable.

[–]sadrach11 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Although the human body and transmit information at 200 miles per hour.

[–]ElagabalusRexgood laptops died with Compaq 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The beauty of 60fps shall not perish from this earth.

[–]SkjellnirAsus 1070/i5 6600K/16GB RAM/Z170K Mainboard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it shall perish, for one day everyone will embrace our glorious 144hz overlords

[–]gurjuz_sam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is constant flow of partial information, and it is seeing motion rather than a series of images.

[–]phish73 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like PCMR doesn't have its version of Amd Nvidia Intel honeypots. Just look at the ryzen benchmark clusterfuck

[–]user_82650 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You people have been mocking that sentence for like 5 years now. Find some new bunching bags.

[–]wishiwascooltooi7 930 | GTX1070 | 12GBDDR3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wow that was bad

[–]Elinim 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay for real, what in the literal fuck was that whole 30ps fiasco about and why did every shitrag gaming website try to spout it as gospel?

It's like if every electronic blog/site just started spewing out articles saying "the human eye can't see past 720p, 1080p is just placebo!" I felt like I was taking crazy pills.

[–]knave_of_knivesi5 6600k | Zotac Amp! Extreme GTX 1070 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but with Xbox, that 30fps has the highest quality pixels.

[–]Krypto_spear 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are stupid when they can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps.

[–]DigitalSignalX 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Was talking with a guy last night who said his FPS jumped from 200 to 450+ with a new GPU and Vulkan on Doom. I said, "wow, that must have been really noticeable" as sarcasm, and he totally ate it, replying "It was so much more smoother."

... right.

[–]tripbwai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

fps effects more than you would think in FPS games...smoothness of mouse input measurably increases at higher framerates, even if they're above your monitor's refresh rate

any pro fps player would tell you the same