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[–]thesirenlady 3206 ポイント3207 ポイント  (424子コメント)

The best part about the dock is just how avoidable it is. Not a matter of "why didnt they put something inside to prevent it rubbing/scratching" but why does the thing even have a front. It's just a hollow piece of plastic to block out the screen.

All it had to do was be an iphone dock

[–]Chempy 1052 ポイント1053 ポイント  (155子コメント)

I expect that 3rd party docks to pop up anytime now. Maybe not licenses, but there is absolutely a market for them.

[–]shreddedking 938 ポイント939 ポイント  (131子コメント)

why would i want to pay extra money to third party docks, when I've paid 300$ for this cheap plastic crap?

[–]dryhuskofaman 484 ポイント485 ポイント  (87子コメント)

Take solace that Nintendo-licensed replacement docks are $90, so spending $20 on one that won't scratch your screen is like a bargain.

[–]DSEUCSD 1131 ポイント1132 ポイント  (79子コメント)

returning your switch is even more of a bargain

[–]Omen_20 225 ポイント226 ポイント  (72子コメント)

Yeah at this point I'd definitely return it unless I was a die-hard Zelda fan. Better to jump back in during the summer once they have a second SKU out and software to care about.

[–]soulure 151 ポイント152 ポイント  (41子コメント)

Can just buy the same Zelda game for the WiiU, similar if not same graphic quality.

[–]timorwhatever 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Is it possible to carefully remove the front part of the dock, using a tool? Or is it necessary for the dock to function?

[–]xSPYXEx 182 ポイント183 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Since one of the clips showed that the dock's internals are literally just a Raspberry Pi sized board in the corner connected to a plug (I believe, don't have one to confirm myself) then I imagine as long as you don't mess with the bottom then the front can be cut away just fine.

[–]thesirenlady 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Not that I have one in my hands...I doubt it can be carefully removed since it looks like a single piece. Quick work with a hacksaw though

[–]kempsishere 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (11子コメント)

That one clip shows a guy taking the dock apart. It seems to be one small board in the base and nothing in the sides. Maybe a saws-all and sand off the rough edges? It appears the screen doesn't display anything when properly docked, so why bother with anything that has the potential to rub the screen at all?

[–]CKgodlike 362 ポイント363 ポイント  (109子コメント)

Makes you wonder what they were actually doing the whole time they were creating it. It's impossible that they never ran into any of these problems in the vid.

[–]thesirenlady 217 ポイント218 ポイント  (50子コメント)

Nintendo loves a surprise. I imagine that even by the time they had the reveal they were already at final hardware. There was no opportunity to take feedback from anyone because they never want to risk a leak.

I also wonder if the entirety of testing was conducted in Japan, and whether japanese testers would take the same approach to a western tester.

[–]anonssr 169 ポイント170 ポイント  (42子コメント)

In reality, a tester's job is to be extremly malicious at using whatever it is that they're testing. Furthermore, in reality, testers do find a lot of issues, bugs and what not but they just report them. It is not up them to decide if a given issue is going to be fixed. From my experience (not with console but with many different developments), I would bet they well knew about them. Fucked up screens, however, are probably 3rd party and quality testing probably not on Nintendo's end there.

[–]thesirenlady 322 ポイント323 ポイント  (34子コメント)

All I can picture is some Japanese engineers, giving clear and explicit instructions to a dozen Japanese testers, who have just so much respect for Nintendo.

The engineers are saying "Well theres a plus sign here, and a plus sign here, so theres no possible way anyone could put the grip on backwards."

The testers are being absurdly gentle. Many of them are wearing cotton gloves. They insert the switch into the dock, maintaining strict spacing from the walls at all times.

The testers report no issues, bow, then leave.

and im pretty sure thats racist.

What they shouldve done is give them to a bunch of xbox and ps4 owners. People with no reverence so they'll literally tear it apart.

[–]thechilipepper0 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (47子コメント)

Reports suggest the switch was rushed so that it could release before the end of Nintendo's fiscal year. Once again, a company beholden to their shareholders fucks itself

[–]L4sgc 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Have you seen the stand that they sell to raise the switch up so you can charge the switch while playing in 'tabletop' mode (you need to use the stand because the port is on the bottom of the device). Well what if the dock was that stand, but with the usb-c splitting board and all the ports. if an hdmi cable is plugged in it turns the screen off and acts like the normal dock. if there isnt an hdmi cable in you see the video on the switch's screen, and still have access to all the usbs and power port.

[–]dehehn 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (32子コメント)

What if the port was in the top? Like the Wii U. How that got out of all the design meetings with no one mentioning it is mind boggling.

[–]Autoboat 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (5子コメント)

How that got out of all the design meetings with no one mentioning it

the stand that they sell to raise the switch up so you can charge the switch while playing in 'tabletop' mode

Well thought out and deliberate, believe me.

[–]Zyxos2 3280 ポイント3281 ポイント  (153子コメント)

"Because kids are going to be doing this"

Cut to next clip.

LOL

[–]StrangeCharmVote 2379 ポイント2380 ポイント  (143子コメント)

Got to give props to that kid who was doing the tutorial on how to un-stick them though.

[–]Zyxos2 812 ポイント813 ポイント  (51子コメント)

It's almost like, they're evolving!

[–]Cat_Man_Nic 334 ポイント335 ポイント  (49子コメント)

Or... maybe, Growing up!

[–]What-Dreams-May-Come 389 ポイント390 ポイント  (31子コメント)

I tell ya, it was a humbling day when I watched a tutorial by an 11 year old to help fix my PS4.

[–]Zaphero 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw one on syncing ps4 controllers and I was like, Good job!

[–]JanetYellensFuckboy 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Kids are stunningly efficient at learning about things they actually want to learn. They're learning machines; it's what they are biologically programmed to do above all else. We adults bigger kids tend to forget this for some reason.

[–]whitechristianjesus 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I feel like we are obligated to help speed the process along...like maybe we should build some fun-destroying, youth eating robot and send it to attack their tree house.

[–]silentmikhail 337 ポイント338 ポイント  (83子コメント)

He was using a dabber. that's the funniest part about that

[–]toqov 538 ポイント539 ポイント  (65子コメント)

He wasn't that's an electronics repair tool from an iFixit kit. That kid sounded like he was 12, I doubt he is doing dabs.

Edit: It is actually a video of a college-aged girl and is in fact a dab tool

[–]sevargmas 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Relevant portion of the video, for the curious:

https://youtu.be/Cb-srOfRqNc?t=5m25s

[–]meatwad75892 364 ポイント365 ポイント  (30子コメント)

When they got the plastic stuck on the JoyCons I couldn't help but think of that S-Pen snafu with the launch Galaxy Note 5.

[–]999mal 1693 ポイント1694 ポイント  (117子コメント)

To everyone that thinks that CrowbCat is a Nintendo hater or something he has made videos like this for the PS4 and Xbox.

[–]TedIsReal 809 ポイント810 ポイント  (61子コメント)

The man is a legend that uses other people's words against them and exposes frauds in the industry.

[–]SamSlate 250 ポイント251 ポイント  (58子コメント)

uses other people's words against them

this is what i miss most about the daily show.

[–]FreeMan4096 326 ポイント327 ポイント  (29子コメント)

even if he was pure "hater", there is a lot of valid information why Nintendo failed their fanboys so miserably.

[–]conquer69 212 ポイント213 ポイント  (17子コメント)

And yet, those very same fanboys are defending nintendo and shooting the messenger. Even when it benefits them directly if these issues come to light.

[–]c0ldsh0w3r 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's the thing about an echo chamber. Everyone in the outside is immediately an enemy.

[–]EricRTF 1353 ポイント1354 ポイント  (98子コメント)

And this is grown adults attempting to operate it. Imagine kids between ages 4 and 12?? Their Nintendo Switch will be destroyed in a matter of hours.

[–]Baykey123 584 ポイント585 ポイント  (82子コメント)

Oh....crap your right. I can see a kid dropping it twice and the thing will be in pieces.

Looking back, I've seen game boys fall down flights of stairs and still be totally fine. Nintendo's new hardware sucks

[–]mrmonopoly25 414 ポイント415 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I guess I'll be getting the Switch XL

[–]iihavetoes 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah even with Super Mario and Mario Kart coming out for the Switch I'm very scared to actually buy the console.

[–]Claudius_Nero 233 ポイント234 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Anyone else remember the original 3DS's problems with the screen scratching when closed that Nintendo refused to acknowledge? (they actually were dropped by Amazon over that issue) Or the launch DS and DS lite hinge cracking issues? Or the original Gameboy display scan-line issues?

Pretty much every Nintendo portable follows the pattern of severe flaws at launch, Nintendo denying it, then quietly correcting most issues in version 2 or 3 of the hardware.

Never buy a Nintendo portable at launch people!

[–]HansWurst1099 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

My DS lite hinge broke, I sent it in, they said it was my fault and they want 55€ to send it back, or 60€ and they'll send it back repaired.

[–]seekelser 3340 ポイント3341 ポイント  (406子コメント)

What's most frustrating about these issues is that there is very little support out there to resolve them right now. I currently have the "software has closed because an error occurred" problem with breath of the wild. This error doesn't even have a code to reference. The game is unplayable. Both times I have called nintendo to ask what's going on, they have no idea. They seem to think it's the game cartridge and have set up a return to have their technicians check the game rather than the console. I'm going to test the game out on a friends console later to check.

Point is, these videos and a few posts are the only confirmation I have that I'm not the only one experiencing this issue, and give me hope that by raising noise eventually a solution will be found. You can google my error referenced above and find maybe 3 or 4 posts about it and no actual help to fix it.

I'm getting real fuckin tired of the people whining that only the people having issues are vocal and that we should be satisfied with the positives of this launch. It's fine to praise a perfectly working console, but don't take away from the people who's cash has been spent on a brick.

I found a rusty staple in my nintendo salad. It doesn't mean the restaurant is shit and that everyone else's food is flawed and should be hated on, it's just mine was and I expect some help to fix this issue.

I don't give a shit about the fanboyism, I don't suddenly hate nintendo because their product is flawed. I just want to play this game and I can't right now. The echo chamber online is aggravating when looking for help. Complaining about these videos and posts, trying to hush them away by excusing them as typically launch issues, not a big deal, etc, doesn't help anyone.

[–]harleq01 367 ポイント368 ポイント  (55子コメント)

Yessss!!! Being the only person who owns a wii u, i win.... this time!!!!

[–]rathryon 240 ポイント241 ポイント  (19子コメント)

There are literally dozens of us!

[–]Strykah 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes, I had been waiting for this game for years after frustrating delays. The fact I haven't had an error yet with Zelda is great.

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Edit: oh hey there bot, didn't know this you were a thing

[–]Yaliw 163 ポイント164 ポイント  (60子コメント)

I'm glad someone is being pretty rational here but I'm leaning on the 'this launch is shit' side because many of these problems should have been noted and fixed during development. Simple problems like the USB plug being on the bottom of the console is simply unfathomable at some level. Scratching while docking should have been noticed immediately during testing if its happening on day 1 and the idea that people would mix up the + and - signs again should have been very obvious. I don't know who at nintendo is lacking on forethought but it's painfully clear that nintendo did not test their product on real people.

[–]seekelser 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (48子コメント)

Yeah what happened here. Is there issues with the bottom dock? I never minded it on the wiiu because it had both options I guess.

The dock scratching the console seems like the biggest wtf. Did they not have someone insert/remove the console over and over to test the wear it would have? Are the people getting scratched screens just being unnecessarily aggressive to make a point? So many questions. I've been really careful with mine to make sure I don't scratch it so I hope not to find out.

I feel like they could have resolved it with so many different engineering options. Some rubber wheels to guide the console in? A dock that mechanically closes around the console instead of just grinding against it... Jeesh.

[–]opchkgood 430 ポイント431 ポイント  (115子コメント)

No problems here... besides the dock scratching! Stupid!

[–]JetBalsa 364 ポイント365 ポイント  (87子コメント)

Most of the issue so far look to be design flaws, Controller Sync issue might be fixable, some of the graphics glitching looks like bad ram or something close to it. The dock being a piece of shit. Software not detecting the game card. a whole host of hardware issues that might be fixed in a warranty exchange in a few weeks/months

[–]j4ptyvm 384 ポイント385 ポイント  (84子コメント)

Someone already fixed the joycon issue by soldering an antenna on the inside. It looks really easy to do and if I had wasted my money on this system (sorry guys) I would absolutely be soldering it myself, and it would be a first for me. Here's the video on how to fix your controller:

https://youtu.be/ZnMnke6lF0c

[–]HansChr15 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kinda sucks that consumers has to go to these lengths to fix such an avoidable issue. I know it's relatively easy to do such repair, but not everyone is going to be willing to do it. A replacement is a common solution to these issues. Fortunately later models will have most of these issues resolved. I'll be waiting...

[–]Toy_Cop 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wow, you'd actually be ok with soldering shit on a brand new console that is supposed to work out of the box? This isn't a fucking raspberry pi, you shouldn't have to solder shit to make it work. I'd go to where ever I bought it and get a refund.

[–]ythms2 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah and if you start soldering it and it still doesn't work, you mightn't be able to get a replacement/refund because of your handiwork.

[–]_gamadaya_ 301 ポイント302 ポイント  (59子コメント)

Wow. Wow. Thanks for posting that. It's not even an in-elegant or hacky solution. it's just a little wire that fits neatly right in the controller. I was going to get one pretty soon, as none of the other problems (and technically not even the joy con range problem) really bothered me, but this video has convinced me to wait. If this is the kind of shit they missed, image the stuff that is going to become apparent down the line. And imaging how much better later joy cons are going to be if all it takes is a tiny antenna to basically completely fix the problem. This thing wasn't finished.

[–]oXI_ENIGMAZ_IXo 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (12子コメント)

You missed imagine both times.

[–]10strip 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Image if BOTW was released as a Wii U exclusive with all the gamepad features still in place, and the Switch waited until the holidays so the hardware didn't get shafted and scratched!

[–]j4ptyvm 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Hey, I think more people need to see it so I'm glad my comment helped at least one person. It's really fucked up that it looks like zero QA testing was done, and what's even worse is the notion that they did test for problems and decided it was ready to go. I won't be buying a Switch now either way. What happened Nintendo?

[–]Ranzar 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (5子コメント)

They decided to combine the Xbox 360 launch (shoddy hardware) with the Sega Saturn launch (no games) to create this PR disaster.

I'll reserve some judgement until we figure out the failure rate on the consoles. It's possible that some of these issues affect a very small amount of people (eg. the graphical artifacts and cartridge errors.) The connectivity issues, stuck Joycon thingy, and the shoddy dock are inexcusable though.

[–]RationalLies 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

BREAKING: Nintendo releases unannounced Wii game called WiiSolder that trains Switch users how to use a soldering gun.

Also starts taking pre-orders for their holiday bundle of the Switch that includes the system, a game, and a soldering kit.

Coming soon to an Ikea near you!

[–]ShutUpWesl3y 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (77子コメント)

This is why you don't buy consoles on launch day. Learned my lesson with the PS2

Edit. All this talk of PS2 is making me think I need mom and dad to ship that bad boy out here with all the games so I can relive the early 2000s

[–]RogueOneisbestone 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (59子コメント)

How were you burned by the ps2?

[–]DoctorPrower 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (54子コメント)

Most likely he's referring to the Disc Read Error the original 'fat' PS2s had due to Sony being cheap and not putting in good lasers to read the discs. I had one and the damn thing crapped out after barely a year.

[–]ALL_CAPS_SHOCK_NAME 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (34子コメント)

my gen 1 ps2 just died after a decade of service. YMMV

[–]frozenfire06 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (15子コメント)

this is the first i hear about that disc read error on the ps2. got mine shortly after launch and it still works, i wasnt gentle on that thing either

[–]CHAINMAILLEKID 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The problem was typically when people also used their Ps2s to play DVDs.

If you didn't do that, you had a much better chance of getting a long life out of your system.

[–]Servebotfrank 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Which was a lot of people since it was the cheapest DVD player at the time.

[–]DustyDGAF 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same with bluray and the PS3.

Why buy a player for 500 when you could get a PS3 for 400?

[–]bluwalrus 489 ポイント490 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Further proof that nintendo is run by Shark Tale. Just a DVD copy of it sitting in a chair.

[–]stealthy_moose 1899 ポイント1900 ポイント  (152子コメント)

Dead pixels are normal? Fuck no they arent.

[–]reddcube 899 ポイント900 ポイント  (85子コメント)

4 or 5 subpixels on a 4K display is normal. But the Switch is only 720p.

Nintendo, quantify how many dead pixels is "normal".

[–]askjacob 193 ポイント194 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sub pixels are different to whole pixels, and usually only allowable to stuck dark, not bright. Nintendo allows full pixels, bright or dark, and makes no mention of amount, or even grouping.

[–]SoldierZulu 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Listening to the DAC freak the fuck out is kinda terrifying.

[–]canofpotatoes 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've had plenty of freezes on a computer but have never heard a sound like that. It was horrifying.

[–]JustTerrific 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's almost kind of impressive. Like that's how malfunctioning equipment would sound in a movie before some crazy supernatural shit was about to go down.

[–]Hieillua 4666 ポイント4667 ポイント  (631子コメント)

This is why I don't buy stuff on day one. I'm not going to be your glorified beta tester.

And it also helps that I'm broke.

[–]buttaholic 461 ポイント462 ポイント  (17子コメント)

suddenly i'm glad i'm poor.

[–]TragicKid 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You know that's why I can drink in moderation when I'm out. By being poor.

[–]sonofaresiii 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd still rather be rich though.

[–]baba108 1563 ポイント1564 ポイント  (206子コメント)

[–]yaosio 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I like PC because when I upgrade I don't have to wait for new games, all the old ones still work.

[–]rahtin 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the Switch was backwards compatible I would have bought one at launch.

Instead I just bought the game that I bought the Wii U for in the first place because I thought it would be out 2 years ago.

[–]masterbard1 417 ポイント418 ポイント  (87子コメント)

I love how he adds "or Apple product." I agree with that Gameboy 100%

[–]TGameCo 197 ポイント198 ポイント  (67子コメント)

Heck, there's no reason to buy almost anything at launch, whether it's a game, a console, a phone. Wait until it's into the hands of people before investing your own time and money.

Edit: Ok, no GOOD reason

[–]awesome357 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (28子コメント)

I agree with this whole heartedly. Wait and check reviews and also maybe snag a sale. I am really excited about a new mass affect game as it's my favorite series, but no I will not be buying it at launch because I've learned better over the years.

[–]Aquagoat 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I disagree. Disposable income is disposable. Some people have it, and it's grand.

Now there's no good reason to buy almost anything at launch, but "I want it now" is a legit reason that many people can afford.

[–]bigtoedontknow 137 ポイント138 ポイント  (56子コメント)

This is also a great LPT when buying a car...never get gen 1. Get second gen engines/models.

[–]Meflakcannon 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (29子コメント)

This also works for Processors. Like AMD Ryzen, I'll wait for gen 2.

[–]Drunken-samurai 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Same with children, i plan to just ignore generation 1 until the second batch comes out, ill look after those grandkiddies.

[–]danc4498 349 ポイント350 ポイント  (124子コメント)

I hate that this general comment has been the top comment on almost all of these Switch posts. It almost gives Nintendo a pass.

How about we expect good quality consoles day one and rail on a company when they deliver buggy devices.

[–]wfunction 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (33子コメント)

I owned an Xbox 360 for two years (2005-2007) and could only play it for six months because I had to keep sending it in to fix the red ring of death.

That's part of the reason I could never own a console again, I hate being powerless to fix things when they break.

[–]hops4beer 1111 ポイント1112 ポイント  (133子コメント)

If I pay $300 for a defective device i'm going to be pissed even if it's replaced for free.

[–]bonafont_ 486 ポイント487 ポイント  (55子コメント)

$300 + $10 for the mandatory screen protector.

edit: +$45 for the 128GB microSD card if you want to download games at all.

[–]honkimon 197 ポイント198 ポイント  (16子コメント)

That will bubble up due to heat.

[–]d0ggzilla 160 ポイント161 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Buy a tempered glass one. 2 for $10 here

[–]the_settlements 231 ポイント232 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hell yeah. 1-2 month shipping.

[–]d0ggzilla 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Didn't notice that, sorry. Couple of days delivery on the UK site

[–]B0NERSTORM 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The tempered glass ones are starting to bubble on the edges now too. It's not the glass but the adhesive layer that's being the issue.

[–]darknavi 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah good. One for my first Switch and another for my RMA'd Switch!

[–]conquer69 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The screen protector is the least of your worries. The $80 broken wiimotes will hurt.

[–]pm_me_ur_uvula_pics 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Also you can't transfer your saves LOL

[–]dfdfddffdfdf 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

sorry do i understand correctly? if i play zelda the saves are not being saved on the cartridge but on the console?

[–]ns156 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes. It has a small amount of internal storage with no way to transfer data from it to an sdcard. It's a totally asinine design.

[–]dfdfddffdfdf 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

wtf???? that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I need to return my switch and I thought I could keep playing on the new switch but I guess that doesn't work anymore

[–]ornix 1014 ポイント1015 ポイント  (149子コメント)

It's going to be funny to see what the screen of a Nintendo Switch looks like in 3 years of regular usage. It's unbelievable how a big company like Nintendo doesn't seem to get Design 101.

[–]FloppyG 767 ポイント768 ポイント  (118子コメント)

And the dead pixel thing. It's not the sign of an LCD screen, it's a sign of a very cheap LCD screen. It doesn't even have gorilla glass.

For a 300 dollar 720p tablet, you'd expect an OLED CGG screen.

EDIT: I wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturing cost is less than 100$. If Google can sell a nexus 7 tablet for 200$ and profit (that was few years ago and it had CGG and 1200p resolution) then Nintendo is making a killing. There was also little marketing.

Even the Nvidia GPU that's inside it is 2 years old by now.

[–]Scrapod 282 ポイント283 ポイント  (57子コメント)

There's a tradeoff between glass and plastic screens. Plastic won't shatter and will bring the unit price down.

Not defending Nintendo, but that's probably why they went the plastic route.

[–]Lammy8 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Much rather have a plastic screen and then use a screen protector. Dropping this system was one of my worries. Only thing I'm surprised at is lack of a cleaning cloth layer on the inside of the dock. That's just pathetic

[–]randomly-generated 151 ポイント152 ポイント  (18子コメント)

And why don't they just install a fucking screen protector at the factory if it needs one. If everyone is buying the shit for it, then it should be a part of the product to begin with.

[–]avohec 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Remember "BATTERIES NOT INCLUDED"?

Yeah, it took a while, but batteries are FUCKING INCLUDED NOW.

Sorry, salty PTSD from childhood Christmas memories.

[–]zwiebelhans 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (38子コメント)

The whole thing from top to bottom seems to be designed to the Lowest standard.

[–]Kareem_Jordan 354 ポイント355 ポイント  (35子コメント)

I don't get how the hardware issues didn't come up in a meeting or testing. The dock itself should have just been common sense.

[–]MostlyAwakeSometimes 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Honestly everything else I can at least somewhat understand nintendo's perspective, but the dock seems like a pure cop out and a middle finger to customers. And it's not like the problem couldn't be easily solved by having an open front dock, or just a space between screen and dock.

[–]hughheff 299 ポイント300 ポイント  (44子コメント)

my sega megadrive still works as good as the day i got it

[–]Chie_Satonaka 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Remember to check your capacitors. Consoles of that age used aluminum electrolytic capacitors that start leaking over time. To ensure the continued usability of old systems remember to check every few years and replace them if there is a problem.

[–]beethy 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Same here, but consoles back then had very simple parts. This is why a lot of them still work perfectly to this day.

The fact that the N64 didn't use a disc system is why that console has lasted so well too. No moving mechanical parts. Those usually break the earliest.

[–]ThisMustBeMyDream_ 228 ポイント229 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Bad design and poor quality control... Look's like I won't be getting one until a redesign is out.

[–]Busti 282 ポイント283 ポイント  (31子コメント)

I am astonished by the wide variety of errors this thing produces. Normally you have one or two that affect a number of devices, like the unit overheating and that would basically be it. But with the switch every unit has different problems. Its truly incredible from an engineering standpoint.

[–]yeamang 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's what happens when you try to go too modular while cutting corners to reduce cost.

[–]JanetYellensFuckboy 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I suspect that it has more to do with Nintendo has a systemic problem embodying everything wrong with Japanese Corporate Culture.

[–]TangerineVapor 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

it sounds like corporate culture in general. Cutting corners and rushing products out. It frequently happens when shareholders and decision makers are people who take no interest in what the company creates. Driven by profit margins and not by providing a product their fans want.

[–]Sigseg 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The dock and screen fragility are unacceptable. The small controllers and stuck grips are design issues. The range of the left controller's antenna is clearly a design choice made to save space and money, predicated on "who's going to use these controllers behind their back from 15' away?"

Unbootable /crashing devices and graphics artifacts is reminiscent of bad memory or overheating, which any PC builder has seen more than once.

Terrible design. Terrible QA. Cheap parts.

[–]grinde 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

made to save space and money

There's a video of a guy who soldered a single 2-inch copper wire onto a pre-existing solder point and increased the left joycon range to ~35-40 feet (better than his right joycon).

[–]rouing 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saw that video. I went ahead and tried and with a wire that sticks out of the controller. You can get some serious range out of the things. Nintendo had no excuse

[–]Eleminohp 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I just want them to blow on it to make the problems go away.

[–]TedIsReal 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can't wait for that "new" Super Nintendo Switch XL that will release in 2-3 years.

[–]simkessy 193 ポイント194 ポイント  (9子コメント)

"Dead pixels are normal, fuck you" - Nintendo

[–]maxline388 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"what? You calling me a liar you fucking pussy? Fuck you, I'll show you how I deal with pieces of shit like you!" Cancels the next legend of Zelda game

[–]dragoonjefy 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I've already experienced two of those issues and thought I was alone until I started watching this video / reading reviews:

1) LEFT JoyCon SUCKS!!! Attached to unit, 100% reliability, 5 feet away, 70% reliability, 10 feet away LINK IS FUCKED, you better have Fairies and Food ready! But, I can spin the camera around, so I have that going for me.

2) I made the unfortunate mistake of wondering 'Hey, I wonder what my Joycons would look like with these little slide-bumper-addition thingies they included. 3 minutes later, realized there is a 'lock' preventing it from going on.. 5 minutes later REGRETTED my decision to ever try this, they won't come off!! 10 minutes later, Those fuckers are NEVER going back on there again.

[–]freepopper 532 ポイント533 ポイント  (34子コメント)

As an engineer I am disgusted by these design flaws. So many of the hardware issues should have been captured in focus groups and mitigated. Take the sliding grips for example. A single injection molded taper to eliminate the possibility of installing the grip the wrong way would have solved the issue. Literally a half hour of CAD in the early design stages and working with their supplier to modify the early molds. This is a prime example of why focus groups are critical with early prototypes. It would have been ungodly expensive to change this design in the late stages. The dock is no different. Two similar materials brushing up on one another will undoubtedly cause particulates, which in turn cause scratches and defects only getting worse over time. BASIC material science. They're not re-inventing the wheel here. It's ridiculous!

[–]Silverkarn 223 ポイント224 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Almost seems like the console was rushed a bit....

[–]HuskyTheNubbin 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Even being rushed these are mistakes that shouldn't be made by an experienced engineering company. Basic material choices should be defined by requirements written very early in the life cycle. Early prototyping should have revealed misuse of the controller parts. There's very little excuse for these issues if the proper development cycle was adhered to. Set out the requirements and validate they have been successfully met, simple.

[–]ShinyTile 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. I'm more on the design side, but I get so grumpy when I hear people pull the "Then people should have paid more attention when they put it on!" card. I mean, yes, sure, but like you said, the design of the item should never allow a permanent and terrible result from something as innocuous as sliding it on backwards. It's like the Note [whatever] that had the stylus that could go in backwards and apparently just never come out again. Absolutely insane these basic amateur hour mistakes get made. The user should never allowed to basically be allowed to destroy / harm their device through normal usage.

[–]conquer69 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't they create those models digitally and test things on the computer first? then 3d print them and test them manually?

I mean, I'm no engineer and that's what I would do.

[–]withlens 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It just seems like Nintendo did not do that, especially regarding the controller sticking issue. It really seems like one of those things that gets glossed over (since the people designing the thing know how it works and will never put them on the wron way), and that the focus group could have identified easily

[–]MostlyAwakeSometimes 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The worst part of the whole thing is they likely did "test" the stuff, but in a lab wherein it's not about testing the dock for scratches after 30-40 removals, it's about making sure it goes in once or twice and works as expected. I'm 10000% certain they had prototypes, the lemon in the wound is that they clearly didn't care enough to use the prototypes extensively.

[–]freepopper 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bingo. Lifecycle analysis is so important. Everything that's used over and over should be tested tens of thousands of time to analyze stress points and inspect for damage.

[–]SharksAndLazers 1452 ポイント1453 ポイント  (347子コメント)

People keep saying "don't buy at launch" "this happens at every console launch".

I've never seen something THIS bad.

[–]SharksAndLazers 1147 ポイント1148 ポイント  (87子コメント)

Some of these issues is just plain bad design, not a glitch that can be patched out.

Big touch screen made of plastic.

Dock that scrapes the screen.

You can assemble the controllers in the wrong way.

Stuff like that should not make it into production.

[–]bonafont_ 465 ポイント466 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Badly designed left joycon too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnMnke6lF0c

New issue: The Switch frame is losing color because of sweat. What a trainwreck.

[–]ch4ppi 370 ポイント371 ポイント  (36子コメント)

This is just mind boggling. So some dude just opened this up, spotted the flaw directly and fixed it by redirecting the antenna in a way EVERYONE who has ever had to position an antenna would have told you?

I dont understand this AT ALL.

[–]SgtChickenFcker 325 ポイント326 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Cheap Chinese manufacturing, not really confusing to me at all. This is corporate level lowest bidder shit my dude.

[–]lordeddardstark 153 ポイント154 ポイント  (27子コメント)

It was Nintendo who provided the specs though. At least, they should've.

[–]Meowkit 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo designed the Switch, and left all the manufacturing details to a 3rd party. In other words, they designed the circuitry on paper, the shape of the joycon, but the actually process of physically creating those things was left to Chinese Company B.

So again, no surprise when some guy/team who only know the basics of EM fields and PCB design routes an antenna next to some metal that attenuates the signal too much.

[–]cranktheguy 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, but user testing? Did they not find these issues at all during testing?

[–]metarinka 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (9子コメント)

they aren't some naive little company though they are a billion dollar outfit with a few decades of consumer products experience. You think some of the engineering teams would be evaluating this and they would have discovered these in either QC or product testing.

[–]_High_Energy 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

We are talking about the company that made the three hand controller, because it looked cooler than one meant for a regular number of hands.

They have amazing franchises but their hardware has always kind of been out there.

[–]Malphael 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (10子コメント)

You can assemble the controllers in the wrong way.

THIS needs to be answered for. I'm sorry but there's just no excuse for a company with Nintendo's resources to screw up such a fundamental design detail.

[–]EEVVEERRYYOONNEE 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Poka-yoke is a Japanese concept FFS! If any company should know not to make this fuck up, it's Nintendo!

[–]Baisteach 344 ポイント345 ポイント  (118子コメント)

360 problems were pretty bad

[–]Braden0732 446 ポイント447 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Apparently everyone on here is too young to remember the PS2 launch.

The CD drives burnt out on the first-gen model ridiculously fast if you didn't run them vertically due to a heating issue. Every single person I know that bought one on release day had it break down within the first 6 months.

EDIT: As a side note, CDs would scratch if you ran it vertically sometimes. You were kind of fucked no matter what with the first gen models.

It is worth pointing out the second generation was available within months and was almost bulletproof. Also, Sony replaced all the bad drives and systems for 2 years after the launch, if memory serves me.

[–]deeteeohbee 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Man you couldn't even run them vertically because they scratched disks that way!

[–]bokertov 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (18子コメント)

That only happened to me when I turned it vertically as the console was running a game

[–]EvrythingISayIsRight 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh god, you reminded me... I brought my 360 to my friends house to play gears of war one day, and since we put the console on the carpet I figured it would be best to lay it flat, just in case it falls down or something. Later, while playing, my friend is like "hey you shouldnt put the console flat like that! It has to be vertical to allow for better air flow!" then he props it upright while we're still playing, and you could hear this gutwrenching sound, like a fucking paper shredder combined with a lawnmower engine. We took the disc out (his disc, my console) and the console was fine, but the disc was fuuuucked up.

[–]zaviex 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Not launch day. Like a month after the rrod popped up

[–]beethy 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Yes and no. The first gen 360 red ring of death only started to happen months after people owned it.

These switch issues are arising much quicker. Things might worsen months from now. It's too early to tell.

[–]4peatkou 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Yes and no. The first gen 360 red ring of death only started to happen months after people owned it.

The 360 used to just brick disks by giving them that perfect circle scratch

[–]Baykey123 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I saw people try and move the orientation of the console WHILE A DISK IS SPINNING! That destroyed many a copy of halo

[–]derprondo 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I have a launch day PS4 and Wii, both have never had any issues.

[–]R3troville 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Both the PS4 and Wii were exceptionally good at launch. Problem launch consoles of the past were mainly the PS2 and xbox 360

[–]NipplestheEchidna 561 ポイント562 ポイント  (198子コメント)

Man that sucks. Mine is working fine. No issues what so ever. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones? Anyone else NOT having issues?

[–]NickVids1313 548 ポイント549 ポイント  (39子コメント)

My Screen got scratched by the dock before I even knew about this issue. Please do yourself a favor and buy a screen protector. I am beyond pissed Nintendo let this shit slide passed testing.

[–]stealthy_moose 206 ポイント207 ポイント  (32子コメント)

I saw on the switch review thread in /r/games that the heat could cause the screen protector to bubble :/

[–]NickVids1313 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I don't know about that. Just know my screen is fucked.

[–]stealthy_moose 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry to hear that bud. This is some pretty rookie QC that they messed up.

[–]Suraev 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Seems like a silly component to skimp on considering its portability is a major selling point, and that even Gorilla Glass III would be a massive improvement, and it's only a buck or two more in bulk on the manufacturing end.

[–]TheDevilChicken 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only ones i heard were the hori premium one and a glass protector.

And it doesn't melt it just keeps peeling off.

For the glass, apparently he was supposed to let it cure a bit more before using the console

[–]Connor92 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No issues so far. Worst thing that happened was the screen protector I bought didn't apply correctly and I wasted 10 dollars.

Loving the system so far though, but that doesn't excuse the massive technical issues some of these people are having.

[–]exg 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mine is working flawlessly so far, as are three additional units that my friends own. Zero complaints outside of having to be adults instead of playing Zelda all the time.

[–]nbagamer 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tech / software issues are a pain, but can and should be fixed. Design issues, like the dock scratching the screen and the joycon becoming mistakenly stuck... well those issues should have been thought of well in advance of release, and preventable from day one

[–]mtkf 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm still excited to get one but super glad I'm gonna wait a while.

[–]freezerburn666 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've been waiting for these videos all weekend.

[–]bonafont_ 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Holy shit, a crowbcat on Nintendo Switch?

I am so glad he made this, I hope Nintendo learn from their mistakes.

[–]_cacao_ 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope Nintendo learn from their mistakes.

uh huh...

[–]Smoke-away 133 ポイント134 ポイント  (8子コメント)

EDIT: Looks like it's now #1 on trending.

1.2 million views in 10 hours

...

not trending on YouTube

hmmm 🤔


Looks like my YouTube comment with 799 likes is gone.

Wonder if YouTube's sorting algorithm conveniently pushed it to the bottom or if the YouTube heroes are keeping the page looking good for Nintendo..... 🤔


2 million views in 14 hours... still not trending

hmmmmm 🤔

[–]TheNewYe 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait... Youtube heroes is a working project? I thought they cancelled it! Damn.

[–]danthok 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who does design for assembly for a living the joy-con strap swapping and screen scratching issues are inexcusable. The location of the charging port is unfortunate as well. I am sure some $50 accessory will fix it ... Sigh... The system seems under baked. Hope they iron out these issues so I can buy a couple for my kids for Christmas.

[–]yetty4ever 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I feel sorry for Nintendo. They just need someone with some common sense working for them. They have the ability and potential to do great things. The potential for amazing games,newer and nostalgic titles. But yet they keep cheaping out. So sad.