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[–]thesuperevilclown 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (70子コメント)

there were apparently detected levels of iodine-131 detected across europe, and people reckon this is indicative of a nuclear accident. thing is, if there was a nuclear accident, more than one isotope of one radioactive element would be produced. the sniffer plane that is referred to has just been posted to England as the USA and the UK share nuclear technology, and this is a standard posting. the US armed forces and nuclear authorities have come out and stated that there's nothing wrong with it, and Steve Warner's Dark City FM is a conspiracy / paranormal late-night radio show, to the point where after 5 minutes the recording starts talking about how "we might be martians" for fuck's sake. the Kola Peninsula hasn't had sunlight for over a month by the time the "incident" happened. it's frozen solid even now. the soviets didn't do nuclear tests in that part of the world in winter for VERY obvious reasons, and the russians haven't done any nuclear tests at all since the fall of the berlin wall.

OP, fuck off with your fearmongering propaganda. go post this in /r/conspiracy or somewhere where people will actually believe it. this is not the right subreddit.

EDIT - this is a tl:dr. look at other comments for a proper debunk.

[–]giffymart 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait, you're saying there's a chance? Should I be worried? I have relatives in Europe should I tell them to take potassium iodide?

[–]thesuperevilclown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

they can if they want to, but nah, the levels detected are way too low to warrant dosing people up. even in Poland.

[–]notgod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And what if it were under water? Would these other isotopes also show up or would they be trapped in the water?

[–]thesuperevilclown 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

yes, they'd show up. they'd also irradiate the water, which would show up in it's own right.

EDIT - whoever downvoted the comment above this, that was wrong. it's a legitimate question about a subject that has a lot of misinformation in it, it promotes discussion, and the person asking it is honestly looking for information

[–]notgod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Very interesting, what else produces I-131 then?

[–]thesuperevilclown 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's produced in two ways, mainly. both of them are inside nuclear reactors. it can be produced from Tellurium being irradiated and then decaying, or it can be produced as a daughter-product from fission of plutonium, uranium and / or thorium. thing is tho, if there was a major leak from any reactors, including the ones at Tchernobyl, I-131 isn't the only radioisotope that would be produced. many, many others would also be produced and scattered at the same time.

it is, however, used as a medical isotope to treat thyroid cancers, which, probably not surprisingly, is the same type of cancer that it causes. this is because iodine naturally gathers around the thyroid glands. the important point tho is that it's used as a medical isotope. here's a website from Australia that talks about it's uses. if I-131 is discovered in the environment and other, longer lived radionucleonides aren't found with it, the most likely source for it would be a leak from a hospital or some other facility like it.

this is also completely beside the point. the point is that the accusation of I-131 being detected is hyperbolic and based on little more than speculation. for a start, only particulate traces were found, which means only a few particles. that wouldn't irradiate an ant. to continue with, looking at a map of where it was detected, the most likely candidate for it's origin is somewhere in France or Germany, or even Poland considering the levels detected there are about 15x anywhere else, and considering it wasn't found with other fission products, most likely a pharmaceutical facility rather than a nuclear one. the sniffer plane was planned to be transferred to England on that date for months already, and it didn't detect anything.

not to mention the fact that if you listen to the entire audio clip linked above, five minutes in they start talking about how humans are from mars, and towards the end they talk about UFOs as if aliens are real. it's a conspiritard podcast, where the conspiritard host from a different conspiritard podcast is interviewed with the most softball questions imaginable.

credibility = zero

EDIT - oh yeah, and if the russians were doing some tests and had detonated anything, the world would know. the USA has satellites capable of detecting the very unique double-flash produced by a nuclear explosion (the first flash is the radiation, then it goes a little bit dim because the fireball is opaque, then as the shockwave expands and it goes transparent again there's a second flash as the really bright centre of the explosion is visible again) AS WELL AS underground tests. they've also got this which can hear nuclear explosions. if the russians were doing anything, the americans would be screaming bloody murder, to put it politely. the USA also isn't the only country that has nuclear monitoring infrastructure. even with Trump in Putin's pocket, the world would know.

this is all just fearmongers and doomsayers attempting to spread their paranoia around, just like they've been doing since the early 1970s when the oil industry funded the founding of Greenpeace. after 45+ years of this shit, tactics of the conspiritards are well known and acknowledged. oh? there hasn't been a nuclear accident that killed anyone for over a decade? better generate some more fear then, because countries are looking at the carbon footprint of every other form of electricity generation and going "maybe nuclear is how we save the planet" again for the first time since the 1980s. i'd say "fuck the fearmongers" but i really don't wish them a good time, or that they'd breed. fucking idiots whinging and bitching about a possible distopic future (that, if you look at the facts, isn't actually possible) and completely ignoring that we're creating a far, far worse distopic present and future by keeping going the way we are now. they can go to hell. unfortunately, they are going there, and they're taking the rest of us with them.

EDIT 2 - let me know if you want me to provide more evidence to back this up.

[–]fongaboo[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (38子コメント)

I don't know Steve Warner but I do know John Bachelor. He's pretty straight and narrow typically, and seems to know who to talk to about world events most times. So everything you wrote is pretty fair until you told me to fuck off. I'm literally the messenger thrice removed, and I post for the sake of subsequently getting information as much as I do to share information.

[–]thesuperevilclown 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (37子コメント)

you post fearmongering anti-nuclear paranoia in the /r/nuclear subreddit and you don't expect to be debunked for it? get a life.

[–]fongaboo[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (36子コメント)

i never purported to know anything. i posted it for discussion (what reddit is for?). you provided a cogent analysis that i definitely learned something from. then you told me to fuck myself. and no i don't expect to be debunked for something i didn't postulate or report on myself, but presented without comment or agenda. just dial it back a bit next time.

[–]thesuperevilclown 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (35子コメント)

you didn't bother to google the people in it and find out that the guy getting interviewed is basically an lite version of Alex Jones? and you didn't bother to listen to the podcast after less than halfway thru to hear the full-on conspiritard bullshit? that's nobody's responsibility except yours, dude. it's not like the clip you posted was any more than 11 minutes.

freedom of speech means that you're allowed to say whatever you like. it also means that anyone else is allowed to call you an idiot for it.

next time think about the consequences of your actions, and when you want to post anti-nuclear propaganda and misinformation to a forum where nuclear energy is discussed, be aware that you're going to come up against people who actually do know what they're talking about.

[–]fongaboo[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

great. you really had no reason to jump down my throat though.

[–]thesuperevilclown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you had no reason to not do your research properly, and you especially had no reason to not listen past the five-minute mark. stop blaming your own fuckups on anybody except yourself. grow up.

[–]fongaboo[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (32子コメント)

like... i honestly read 2/3 through your reply and came away thinking 'phew' and TIL. and then you resorted to unprovoked profanity.

[–]thesuperevilclown 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (31子コメント)

three minutes on google could have told you the same thing. it did for me. two more minutes listening to the podcast would also have told you that.

stop attempting to blame the consequences of your own actions onto other people. you don't have the right to complain about how other people deal with a problem that you have created for them. take some self-responsibility for once in your life and grow up.

[–]fongaboo[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (30子コメント)

i didn't do anything wrong. i posted it here for discussion, very much in the hopes that people more knowledgeable than i would elaborate. did it ever occur to you that some people actually prefer to crowd source instead of just Googling? that's the whole point of Reddit IMHO. but very few people want to have F-bombs dropped on them though. you could have just truncated that part, and this would have been a completely different discourse. i think you presupposed that i would have somehow argued with you not knowing anything about isotopes or the nature of the geographical location. i know a lot of people are self-aggrandizing ignorant assholes just looking for an argument. but i honestly was not. i'm very contrite about topics where i don't have extensive expertise. but it's not like i made some armchair statement one way or another about the story. #EasyThereTiger

[–]thesuperevilclown 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (29子コメント)

i didn't do anything wrong.

you posted anti-nuclear fearmongering propaganda into a subreddit where people discuss facts about nuclear energy.

look, again, stop attempting to blame the consequences of your own actions onto anybody else. you created the problem of there being misinformation and fearmongering. you didn't bother to sit there and do nothing and listen to the second half of the podcast you posted but instead chose to propagate misinformation and fearmongering bullshit into a forum where people have been dealing with that sort of shit for nearly half a century. you did that. nobody else. that's your fuckup. nobody else's. you don't get the right to complain about how other people deal with problems that you have created for them. take responsibility for yourself.

so let's get this straight - you're too lazy to use basic google, and you expect other people to do it for you? you do realise that googling the story would have taken less clicks than posting it here, right? that is almost the dictionary definition of an over-entitled "special snowflake" attitude, and i got a tip for ya, bozo - while being a unique and special snowflake you're different from everybody else in the world, we're in the middle of a fucking blizzard.

once again, grow up. take responsibility for your own actions, and be aware of the consequences. if you don't want this sort of thing happening again, do your fucking research. it's not like you actually had to do anything once you had started playing that shitty podcast file.

#growthefuckupchild

[–]fongaboo[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (28子コメント)

ever heard the phrase 'retweet does not imply endorsement'? Well it applies to social media in general. No I'm not lazy just because I want to interact with people instead of being a tantrum-throwing autist. Whether online or IRL, learn some fucking manners and how to have proper interpersonal interactions, dipshit...

I will add 'PLEASE VET:' to my posts for now on because of assholes like you. But there was no 'fuckup'. You just want to squelch free discussion.

#FirstOneToCallSomeoneASnowflakeAutomaticallyLosesTheArgument

[–]PlatypusOfTheSky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (24子コメント)

OP, fuck off with your fearmongering propaganda. go post this in /r/conspiracy or somewhere where people will actually believe it. this is not the right subreddit.

Not cool.

[–]thesuperevilclown 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (23子コメント)

posting fearmongering propaganda in a subreddit where actual information about nuclear energy is discussed

Not cool.

[–]PlatypusOfTheSky 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Do you really need to tell them to Fuck off? There's also this great thing called a down vote.

[–]thesuperevilclown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (21子コメント)

yes, because people like OP who spread anti-nuclear propaganda everywhere like a toddler who has managed to remove their shitty nappy are holding back progress, and are enabling the coal industry to make this planet uninhabitable for all of us. also, people who spread around conspiritard bullshit (and let's be clear, the audio file talks about humans being from mars and UFOs as if aliens visiting earth is real) in information subreddits are fucking idiotic and completely deserve to be told where to go and where to tie their horse up when they get their. OP could have avoided this by simply listening past the five-minute-mark of the clip and going "humans are martians? what a load of bullshit. what they say about nukes must be as well" but NOOOOOOOOOO that's everyone else's responsibility, isn't it? basic googling could have found that out as well.

and then fuckwits like you who defend them when people shut them down, enablers, you're the type of people who deliberately didn't vote in the last US election and are now complaining that Trump won. grow a spine.

[–]fongaboo[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (20子コメント)

WTF does this have to do with nuclear energy vs. coal industry anyway? Even if we indulged this report, the implications was weaponized testing was it not? I would have never imagined they were talking about testing a nuclear reactor.

[–]thesuperevilclown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (19子コメント)

WTF does this have to do with nuclear energy vs. coal industry anyway?

did you just crawl out from underneath something big, heavy and slimy or something? the coal industry has been slandering nuclear power for literally decades. something to do with competition to their business model that ends up costing 1/10th the price at most.

Even if we indulged this report, the implications was weaponized testing was it not?

didn't you bother to read the part where i said, numerous times, that if there was any actual uncontrolled release from a nuclear facility that other radioisotopes would also be released at the same time? no, the only people attempting to implicate that were fearmongering anti-nuclear propagandists, or, to put it another way, people who have swallowed the coal industry's business-oriented bullshit since the 1970s.

I would have never imagined they were talking about testing a nuclear reactor.

that's right, and nobody else would either, because nothing of the sort actually happened, and nobody with any clues about nuclear power would entertain such a ridiculous concept.

as stated above - it's most likely a result of a leak from a pharmaceutical site that stores radioactive medical isotopes, especially considering I-131 literally is a radioactive medical isotope that is used to treat hyperthyroidism and thyroid cancer.

you repeatedly talking about weaponized testing and testing of nuclear reactors despite the fact that you sourced your information from a conspiracy podcast that produces zero evidence to back up it's bullshit claims and the real information being put in front of you is just showing you to be an anti-nuclear propagandist who fully deserves to be told to fuck off from a place like this, where information is shared, not bullshit.

[–]fongaboo[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (18子コメント)

as stated above - it's most likely a result of a leak from a pharmaceutical site that stores radioactive medical isotopes, especially considering I-131 literally is a radioactive medical isotope that is used to treat hyperthyroidism and thyroid cancer.

awesome. i will continue to sleep well tonight the more i learn. why did you have to sling shit at me though. WTF??

[–]thesuperevilclown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (17子コメント)

because you post fearmongering, anti-nuclear bullshit into a nuclear information forum, and expect other people to do the dirty work for you. "dirty work" which involves googling it and looking at literally the first page of results, and listening to the entire more than half of the fearmongering conspiritard podcast that you posted. also because of the "special snowflake" attitude.

[–]fongaboo[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

[–]imagirlbtdubs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uh, can we get a little more information?

[–]thesuperevilclown 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah. it's conspiritard bullshit. no more information necessary.