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Who do we Trust the least? The ESABLISHMENT(Obama, Hillary, Bush, McCain, Pelosi, Schumer, Graham, media, IC, Soros and other swamp dwellers) or TRUMP(the man who was attacked and opposed by the establishment, who took $0 from special interests and fights back against their BS and lies) (self.conspiracy)

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You can be conspiratorial and question Trump, I get that, his presidency sounds too good to be true but don't forget how manipulative the media and establishment can be. They treat Obama like a saint for 8 years telling you not to worry he's doing what's best and now they tell you Make America Great Again is a racist, sexist, islamophobic Russian puppet? ITS ALL LIES the power structure is against Trump and we are against the power structure!

The backroom deals cannot continue like they would under a Right or left wing president. We have already seen proof that Trump is cracking down on the waste, fraud and abuse. Lockheed lowering costs, 1500 pedos locked up, jobs coming back because we have a president that takes the time to meet with CEOs to negotiate a better deal for the American people. The jobs alone should show you he actually is trying to help us. Obama could have sat down with CEOs and worked out a deal but he didn't care enough to. The same for Lockheed and pedos, Obama didn't care enough to try.

The real conspiracy here is how Obama, Hillary, McCain and others are getting away with murder while placing the attention on Russia. Even if Russia hacked her emails, released them and put out fake news, the same was being done on the other side. Correct the record, paid accounts from overseas, foreign owned media, foreign talking heads and our own corrupt media who manipulated news every day! No foreign manipulation is good but it happens every election from many different countries.

The propaganda is strong but don't take the bait. Question the media narrative as much as you question Trump and take a step back to see how the act is playing out. What if Trump really is the real deal? The amount of opposition from the establishment leads me to believe so. If Trump is the real deal it will take time for him to steer this ship in the right direction. The swamp has grown over many decades and cannot simply be drained overnight. It's as if Trump was just given Baghdad and people are demanding to know why it doesn't look like NYC yet.

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[–]alvarezg 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Trump the billionaire is the special interests. Instead of buying off politicians to serve him, he's eliminated the middle man and installed himself to run the government directly.

[–]tnorthb 182 ポイント183 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Are all of his Goldman alumni and his Exxon CEO also "outsiders"?

[–]spenbass[S] -24 ポイント-23 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well they aren't political hacks. They seem to be the top business leaders with more real world experience than the whole senate. You think Exxon hired Rex because he was establishment? Or did they hire him because his knowledge, work ethic and negotiating skills?

[–]gorgias1 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You think Exxon hired Rex because he was establishment? Or did they hire him because his knowledge, work ethic and negotiating skills?

No, but Trump almost certainly took him on because of his oil connections, Russian connections, and in particular, his Russian oil connections. Wtf do you think a political hack is? You think because Trump cut out the middle man and saved some money on bribes it makes him more noble?

[–]spenbass[S] -22 ポイント-21 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Russsia Russia Russia. None of what you said makes sense. Trump isn't in the oil game or profiting from it. Let me know when Trump and Rex cut a deal with Putin to build a pipeline from Moscow to DC. You people probably don't know sht about Trump's cabinet picks. Only that they worked for Goldman and Exxon so they must be working with the Russians to get the oil and the vodka and the oil and the money. Conspiracy gone wild!

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    [–]Sabremesh[M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Rule 4.

    [–]iownadakota 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Trump isn't in the oil game or profiting from it.

    Dakota Access Pipeline says different. If you want to talk about a real conspiracy against some "anti-establishment" people, why not bring up the first Nation? Or specifically the Standing Rock Sioux tribe. The latest attack handed down from trump himself, and enacted by a militarized police force, and national guard. Using the Military and police in the interests of a private Canadian oil firm, to forcibly remove Americans using their first amendment rights.

    [–]sthh 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (23子コメント)

    jobs coming back because we have a president that takes the time to meet with CEOs to negotiate a better deal for the American people.

    citation needed.

    [–]spenbass[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Google

    [–]sthh 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    Google

    Meaning you don't have shit that proves Trump created any jobs. Got it.

    [–]spenbass[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Either you haven't been paying attention or you're choosing not to. Jobs are coming back. Tax breaks will happen and America is going to improve.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514466/

    [–]sthh 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    How about you read that article before you lecture me about paying attention?

    But it’s unlikely that those proposed policies have had much of an effect on U.S. business, yet. While it would be nice if Trump were a magician who could single handedly revive American manufacturing and convince companies across the world to bring back jobs from overseas, few, if any, of the decisions by companies to locate here can be attributed solely to Trump. Indeed, many were made before he was even elected.

    Dude is taking credit for shit he didn't do, from your source. That article indicates that he has yet to do anything of value, and most of the changes are market driven (duh), or were decided before he was president.

    [–]SDLowrie 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Also Trump is still riding on the fumes from Obama's economy and taking credit for that.

    I'm curious to see who he's going to blame when they cut taxes for the rich and kick everyone off their healthcare.

    [–]sthh 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm curious to see who he's going to blame when they cut taxes for the rich and kick everyone off their healthcare.

    Brown people/immigrants I'd wager.

    [–]SDLowrie 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hillary lol.

    [–]dahriteratin 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Obama wiretapped the economy, sad, bad, I'm not glad!"

    [–]spenbass[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    How about you search for a source next time. The article is from a liberal outlet, they are going to say none of these jobs are because of trump. If you choose to believe the opinionated spin MSM puts on the story then that's your prerogative.

    [–]dirkalict 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You linked the source you fucknut- don't blame him for quoting it.

    [–]dahriteratin 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't call him a fucknut, his English isn't very good, so he wasn't sure what the article said. /s

    [–]sthh 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Got it, walk it back after your source was garbage and you didn't even take the time to read it. Blindly follow some more buddy

    [–]TheGreyAreaTO 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    "Here's my proof!"

    "I just read your proof and it disproves your theory"

    "Well of course you'd think that! That proof is actually from liberals so it's obviously wrong and therefor I am right 4d checkmate cuck"

    [–]sthh 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    to dust off an old one, my brain is full of fuck

    [–]ParamoreFanClub 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So you got nothing and are full of shit just like trump

    [–]aaronxr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Hahaha this dude's serious with this.

    [–]aa93 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Lol, jobs aren't coming back-- automation is. It's still much cheaper to do traditional manufacturing overseas than in the US, the difference now is that it's even cheaper to get a fleet of robots that don't take breaks, get injured, get benefits or even take a paycheck. Supply chain gets a lot shorter that way as well.

    This has jack shit to do with Trump and everything to do with the kind of technological advancements that he'll prevent when he cripples the education system and slashes public sector research.

    [–]Tarazena 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Will, going, previous comment you said it's happening now, yet you are saying the future in this comment.

    [–]jonzezzz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Wow that's I get a F in college

    [–]Edogawa1983 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    the shilling for Trump is getting unbearable today..

    [–]digdog303 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    0 dollars my ass. https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864

    [–]-Teekey- 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Tell us more The_Donald regular, how Trump is just a man of the people and we should all just trust him.

    Oh by the way,. just ignore that Trump’s transition raised about $6.5 million in private contributions, fueled in part by corporate interests, billionaires and lobbyists,. Nothing to see here.

    [–]spenbass[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    The amount Hillary received from Google, JPmorgan, Citigroup, Goldman, Morgan Stanley and Microsoft was over $6.5 Million and I bring this up just to show some perspective. The $6.5 million in private contributions was the total from over 1,000 donations and the max they could give was $5,000. What am I supposed to see here? Please point me in the direction of some evidence that someone's $5,000 donation got them a nice government contract or a deal of that sort. The man used over $50,000,000 of his own money.

    I trust him more than others before him and more than those currently attacking him. Why was every corrupt politician avidly against Trump and why are they continuously trying to sabotage him?

    [–]-Teekey- 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    You realize that tens of millions that he 'spent' were to his own business, right? And now that he's President, the government is having to funnel money to his businesses to support/protect him and his family as they stay in his buildings.

    He's going to more than recoup his investment. Let's not forget, he's done little to nothing to divest himself from his companies.

    Lastly, bringing up Hillary? Honestly? When is Trump going to have to stand on his own merits? I think she's terrible too, so I don't even see how she's relevant to this conversation.

    I trust him more than others before him and more than those currently attacking him.

    Of course you do. That's why 90% of your posts are on The_Donald slobbing your God Emperor's knob.

    [–]SuperDuperJosh 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Rule 1 on the_dong is if someone brings up a valid point against thin skin Donnie just deflect to the nearest democrat.

    [–]spenbass[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    He owns real estate everywhere. Why would he spend $100,000 to rent another's office space when he could rent his own for less and pay his own employees?

    The government isn't funneling money to his business so he can stay at his own property. He owns the place, he doesn't pay to stay there, as for Secret Service housing while away from the WH I haven't seen anything on it yet. You think he's going to charge the government over $50,000,000 in rent over the next 4-8 years?

    "Let's not forget, he's done little to nothing to divest himself from his companies" CNN used that same line for weeks straight. When he starts trading hotel properties for arms deals please let me know and I will happily disavow the God Emperor.

    [–]_Woodrow_ 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What an idiot.

    [–]AnimatronicJesus 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    God Emperor.

    Daddy issues

    [–]SuperSharpShot2247 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    On renting his own office sapce; it's not just that he uses his own companies, ensuring the money comes back to him, it's that he does it to ensure more of the people's money comes to him. He raised rent on his own campaign to defraud supporters.

    [–]spenbass[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    They moved to a larger office space he didn't raise he rent. The rent increased when he was renting out more space. Is this seriously an issue?

    [–]superbreadninja 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hasn't he already charged close to $13,000,000 due to his Florida trips not even 2 months into his presidency? That's well on track to break $50,000,000 in a year, much less 4.

    [–]Edogawa1983 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Trump is the special interest

    [–]ax255 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Go away...Paid shill...

    [–]niggertrigger69 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    You can be conspiratorial and question Trump, I get that, his presidency sounds too good to be true

    what the fuck sounds too good to be true about a trump presidency? only thing he's done is unite inbreds together into a cult-like mindset, worshiping a guy who's done nothing but continue the long line of corruption of presidents past, except he seems to be lining his own pockets instead of others. the difference between him and other presidents is trump does this all out in the open, and you people still act like he's the messiah.

    everybody talks about ctr and "shills" from the left, but if you ask me, the "shills" from the right are just as bad, if not worse. the left has to pay people to shill for them. right wingers are stupid enough to do it for free.

    [–]spenbass[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Take Trump out of the picture, you have a candidate who is opposed by each side, the media and special interests. He didn't take millions from Wall Street and rest of K street. That candidate wins. Are you seriously going to tell me that this candidate's presidency is not a step in the right direction?

    [–]SDLowrie 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    You're saying that Donald Trump doesn't have ties to Wall Street?

    [–]mebeover9000 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Who is "the media"? Who are these "special interests"? In another thread you cited an article as your proof, and then backtracked into called it liberal propaganda, using yet another buzzword, "MSM". If you want to talk about bias, then answer me this: Even if he didn't take money, why do you suppose that is?

    [–]tnorthb 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "trust" isn't something we're big on here.

    [–]Chokaholic 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Anyone who makes it to presidency in the US is in the 'club'. Alot of the fighting is manufactured to create tension and divisiveness. The country has never been so divided, which in turn means a country that's easier to control. Look how awesome alot of Ron Pauls ideas and policies were when he ran. He didn't get a stitch of air time. Trump was all over the MSM. Good or bad press, he was still shoved down everyone's throat.

    [–]conspiracy_polak2 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah everything is going to change for the better with Trump. Nothing will change, Presidents are puppets for banks and business.

    [–]epiphenominal 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    As evidence involving a Trump Russia connection mounts, what threshold would you require to disavow Trump? Trump may be anti-establishment in the US but I hardly see how Putin is anything but the establishment, he's run Russia for a decade and worked in the KGB. Even if Trump himself is a patsy, how can you abide this connection to the Russian government?

    [–]spenbass[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Show me proof that Putin is controlling Trump and I will disavow. Didn't Putin kick Soros out of Russia? Seems like the world elites are all anti-Russia which raises red flags in my head. Every politician has a connection to Russia its not treason. The dems even invited Kislyak to Trumps address last week. WFT is with you people and this hysteria with Russia?

    [–]Steadylurkinn 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    I trust trump the same way I trust Shaq to hit a free throw. Yeah, he's trying but I'm not putting money on it. And let's not forget, he could be establishment playing the long con. I know it's hard to believe but the ptb have fooled us all before...

    [–]-Teekey- 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Trump is the poster child for the wealthy elite, and has bragged about buying off politicians.

    The greatest lie these phony skeptics are trying to sell is that he's not apart of TPTB.

    [–]Steadylurkinn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's def possible man, I agree we shouldn't rule it out

    [–]NinjaSupplyCompany 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Seems like the long con ended the day he got elected and promptly turned his back on the people he voted for filling the swamp with even worse goons.

    [–]Steadylurkinn 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well as long as he dangles this pedo stuff in front of us and acts like maybe he will go after it there is a sliver of hope.

    If the msm would just cover pedogate it would take away a lot of his base.

    [–]absolutego [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No one covers it because it is unsubstantiated nonsense from closet pedophiles on 4chan.

    [–]BlacksmithSasquatch -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Show me what his appointments have done that makes them goons and I'll believe you.

    Not their associations, what they themselves have done, and I'll be on your side.

    [–]Gadfly360 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Also keep in mind the Republicans demonized Obama throughout his entire presidency even though he gave them everything they wanted. It's all Kabuki Theater to create the illusion of choice.

    [–]mastigia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That Shaq analogy is great.

    [–]spenbass[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Why would barry tap his phones if this is all a con? Why would he restructure NSA sharing so they could leak Trump's calls and info? I hate to tell you this but it seems like the ptb are fooling you again if you're buying into the Russia hysteria. Not saying you are.

    [–]dirkalict 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Their have been stories of Donny borrowing from the Russians dating back to his Taj Mahal bankruptcy- I said it before the election, he is beholden to someone and it's probably Russia. No one is going to win an American Presidential election without some serious backing coming from somewhere whether it's money, information, disinformation or a combination of all. If you are poor or middle class don't expect any favors from this guy. Let's hope we still have clean water to drink and clean air to breathe when he's done. http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/trump_great_lakes_epa_cuts.html

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      [–]hoganm01 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Did you just comment on your thread calling yourself smart?

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        [–]ParamoreFanClub 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Showing us who the real shill is

        [–]spenbass[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You're leaving out the reason for Trump's wall to wall coverage in the media to fit your view. It's all in the emails. Hillary was a flawed candidate and didn't stand a chance against Rubio and maybe others(not my words, DNC people's) so they worked with MSM to give more time to the pied piper candidates(Trump, Carson and Cruz) the ones they thought would be easier to take down in the general. Media kept up the plan through the general talking about Trump non stop and taking focus off of all the skeletons falling out of Hillary's closet. When Ron Paul ran Trump tweeted that the media should give him more airtime and that he has some serious and good ideas.

        [–]spenbass[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The Russia narrative is fake news. Let's step back to recent global affairs. Our government(whoever runs it) is working on another destabilization campaign in Syria to take out Assad to pave way for pipeline. Clandestine support given to Isis thought Arab nations. Russia steps in to help Assad, find the truth and bomb the moderate rebels Obama funded. Obama and Hillary are pissed at Putin for messing up their operation and accuse him of killing kids while we know the white helmets were working with the terrorists to plant false stories. The serin gas was used by Isis not Assad. Trump is sitting back looking at the situation and probably saying "Russia is trying to clean up the mess Obama started and keep it from getting worse. I would work with him to defeat the rebels and Isis." MSM and democrats paint Russia as the bad guys in this situation when it's the complete opposite. Russia is no saint but they didn't help create Isis. Many countries are hacking us, Trump keeps saying he would work with Russia to defeat Isis so media says he's a puppet. Trump jokes to Russia saying if you find the emails we would love to see them. Media says Trump calls on Putin to hack Hillary's emails. The emails were already hacked. Wikileaks releases podesta emails and says they didn't get them from Russia. Podestas password was p@ssword, he fell for phishing scheme and lost his iPhone in a cab. If Russia hacked those emails so did 100s of others. Hillary camp and MSM point out ties of some trump campaign staff to Russia. Manafort did some lobbying in Ukraine, Flynn was on Russia today and took a trip to Russia years ago, sessions met with Russian ambassador as a senator. Is any of this really out of the ordinary?? Hillary and her people have business deal with Russia and 10x the connections. Trump wins, Hillary blames Russia because her donors are demanding answers. Obama wiretaps trump and finds nothing. FBI finds nothing in their investigation. MSM is still running with Russia-Trump conspiracy. The fake part of the news is how they frame it. It's perfectly normal for Flynn to call Russian ambassador, it's perfectly normal for seasons to have met with Kislyak but MSM melts down for 48 hours straight over a conspiracy they know isn't true. It's fake. Yesterday trump tweets about obama wiretapping him and MSM talking point is "trump claims obama wiretapped his phones without giving proof". So now they want proof? If they took the time to search for it they would have found stories on it from months ago but since it didn't come from CNN or wapo it didn't happen.