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Get it off your chest thread [March edition] (self.reddevils)

BHButcherKing Eric が 投稿

Haven't had these in a while even though I prefer them to those "unpopular" opinions threads. Yesterday's game might make this a little shitty though. Off you go.

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[–]ObiWanKenobiNilMkhitaryan 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's looking like Sanchez is going to leave Arsenal, we should absolutely be trying to sign him if he does, he isnt going to cost a fortune as he only has 1 year left on his contract and its pretty clear that Arsenal arent willing to pay him what he wants. look how well our last Arsenal legend turned out

[–]BHButcherKing Eric[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't see where he fits in honestly especially if the Griezmann rumours are to be believed

[–]ObiWanKenobiNilMkhitaryan 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

i would definitely rather have Sanchez than Griezman, whilst there is no doubt that Griezman is world class, i dont think our style of football would suit him

[–]undertrip 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

where would Sanchez fit for us?

[–]JustTickleMyShitUp 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anywhere across the front 4 positions

[–]undertrip -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

would rather play mkhi and martial on the wings

[–]ilovethisgameahahahRashford -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

9

[–]ilovethisgameahahahRashford 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Replaces Ibra perfectly, brings different qualities to the table but much bigger qualities.

[–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah.

We need to build for sustainable success. Look what happened RVP. We won a league and then had to replace him two years later. That's how you end up with deadwood.

Valencia - really important player is 31.

IBRA - obvious.

Mkih and mata - in their prime.

I don't want 3 of our most important players coming to the end in 2 years.

[–]JoseOfHouseMourinho -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i agree 100% Ibra needs to be rested, he cant continue to play every game, Rashford isnt ready for a big role imo and Rooney is no longer good enough to be starting games as evidenced yesterday.

[–]topdog_7Martial 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

OLD TRAFFORD is meant to be a fortress , we should be letting fucking midtiers teams like Stoke, Bournemouth, arsenal or burnley thinking that they should be able to leave with even a point. Attackers need to start chipping in with Zlatan more often or we'll be exposed especially with the potential end run of league games coming up. Yes, we haven't lost since the horror at the bridge, but drawing a fucktonne of games that we should be clinical in doesn't help either.

[–]CoveredInBees1Zlatan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We lost against Hull, despite winning on aggregate. Still not good.

[–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People here said it was a fortress again. I got down voted for saying it wasn't. Teams should leave happy with 3-0 defeat.

[–]Ah-here 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm glad Zlatan is going to get a rest, the lad has put in a supreme effort and is probably fucked, as seen yesterday. He's 35 and playing lots of top level football. Let him get a 2 weeks off and come back fresh. Now i want to see a Utd side full of pace in the interim, thinking Martial/Micky/Rashford and the front 3 for the next 3 games (if Micky is fit)...scary pace there with Pogba/Carrick/Hererra behind.

[–]Arth_Passionate Bastard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's not gonna get 2 weeks of break, because he will still play in Europa League.

[–]Ah-here 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True and thats now our priority and he will get rest in between these games.

[–]Flick_My_Bean_Geoff 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Zlatan wants to play though. He knows his own body. I don't think any poor display of his so far has been due to tiredness.

He will never get subbed off even.

[–]SecondTimeAddictBlind 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because Mourinho has a core of players (like he had at Chelsea in 14-15) which he'll never take off, and rest even sparingly.

[–]LeorenthelaPogba 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

shame it's before the chelsea game, we would be better with him 100%

[–]kakikakikakikaki 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't think it has anything to do with rest. He had no one helping him up on the offense without Mkhi. Carrick and Pogba tried a few passes to him(which they failed) and everyone else just stopped playing after the first goal.

edit: Also JUST having pace up front doesn't mean it's good as you could see in the Blackburn game where Mou had to put in Zlatan to save the day

[–]zoomzoomsheiit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pace isn't going to solve anything against Middleborough and West Brom. When teams like that park the bus I'm afraid that these aren't the kind of players to break them down

[–]Ah-here 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rashford can take on players and get to the byline, we didn't do this much yesterday.

[–]Endodroid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was thinking the same. Hopefully this is a blessing in disguise.

[–]drexter12 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I hope we soon get a better Plan B when Zlatan doesn't perform. He needs a rest, and I want us to see a different type of setup. But, fingers crossed for Mikhi's return, he's been so influential.

[–]_________________-- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think Rashford is supposed to be our Plan B.

[–]xXDaNXxMata 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not a good enough plan B :/

[–]drexter12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are right, Rashford is currently Plan B but he mostly comes on to play as a winger. Although that does help, mostly it doesn't make much impact compared to a striker coming on.

[–]ibaRRaVzLaJosé Mourinho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean you don't like playing Fellaini as a striker?!

[–]Count__Duckula 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

None of our centre backs are good enough for where we want to be, at the elite champions league level.

Bailly is still developing and he could be there in a few seasons, smalling is too rash in possession, jones always at risk of dropping a clanger and rojo goes to ground too frequently.

We need a world class proven centreback whom we could play alongside one of the others to provide security.

[–]unitedfuck 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are so dependant on Zlatan its disgraceful.

Think back to all the draws we've had, its whenever he couldn't score. I don't even like the guy but when he can't score, nobody else can pick up the slack.

[–]oliver_manhick 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

People in this subreddit are so reactionary it makes me wonder how any of you get by in real life.

[–]BadCowzMartial 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hehe you were downvoted. It is a confirmation bias circle jerk sub where a twitter post with 4 words can get a thousand votes. I would like to think that people put some thought into real life.

[–]Not_wun_wun 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://twitter.com/Rooney_esque/status/838382599630438401

So here's a video I came across on twitter of our 'missed chances'. Except they aren't really missed chances. Most of them are half chances or hopeful shots at best and yet we keep fooling ourselves into believing we're playing amazing football and only need to work on our finishing. NO! We're NOT actually playing that well. Any half decent keeper worth his salt should be saving these. If this is the best we can do against a 10 man Boro, i'm pretty darn concerned about the tactics of our offensive play and reliance on individual talent.

[–]Ether2001 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Griezman scores a lot from counterattacks, because that's how Athletico plays. We usually makes camp outside opponents box and he would not shine in that kind of play. He is not the right way

[–]kw9403Rooney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Really? Whenever the other team attacks us we always counter at pace. You can't counter when you have 70% possession.

[–]BHButcherKing Eric[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Now I'm imagining Mkhi, Martial and Griezmann countering at pace with Pogba behind them. Oh my

[–]Ether2001 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Id honestly rather have Dybala than Griezman. Younger and IMO better. But I guess he is for Real Madrid

[–]kw9403Rooney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Griezmann is top 3 Ballon D'or 2 years running, I'd 1 million % rather him

[–]Ether2001 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does you seriously think that makes him better? I respect your opinion but it shouldnt be based on Ballon d'or. They want big names on the gala for marketing and bring marketable names. Not saying he didnt deserve to be there tho

[–]kw9403Rooney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe he is better and that's my proof for my opinion, whether you disregard the ballon d'or or not it doesn't negate my opinion to think he's better, nor being more marketable makes him any less of a player either. Also they don't favour more marketable people otherwise Neymar would be 3rd. And its decided by loads of people not judges, its decided by players, coaches etc it has nothing to do with marketability

[–]Ether2001 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly, we get a lot of possession and stack up outside the box. Unnecessary to buy him just for counterattacks when we already got players with pace.

[–]kw9403Rooney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Griezmann does a lot more than just counter at pace. Just because he is fast doesn't mean he's reliant on counter attacking football and its stupid to think he is. He can make something out of nothing.

[–]MedievalSorceryMagic Mkhi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't have title hopes this season but I didn't think we would bottle so many games that we dominated and end up glued to 6th. First against Hull, now Bournemouth, we could have moved up the table with a win but nope, it's just chuck testa. Yesterday ruined my weekend. I am praying that we sign Griezmann and a class Carrick-esque midfielder. Also pray that Mkhitaryan stops getting injured.

[–]Gihrenia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • Zlatan needs some rest, we need to think about the future after him, there are promising attackers in the team but we need to figure out how to make them shine
  • Hopefully we won't be back in the 'score a lot midweek, play shit weekend' loop again
  • Not sure if the last match is just fatigue or mentality, probably both, every time we have a chance to gun for the Top 4 we bottled them

[–]KagawanmysonJanuzajmyson now Shinji's gone :( 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Harry Kane would be a significantly better signing than Griezmann. He's proven in the league, and not reliant on the pace and space that Griezmann is allowed to use in Spain. We all know the reason we've drawn so much at home this season, we can't finish, but teams come to Old Trafford and park 10 men behind the ball, it's happened for years. We need a tap in merchant who chases every loose ball in the area, who looks for the space and the rebound on shots. Harry Kane is that player.

To those who say he disappears in big games, that's because he plays so high up the pitch, how often do you see him drop back and get involved like Ibra? Rarely does, he waits for the chance to come to him. That's his midfield bottling it and not getting him the chances, not him.

[–]BadCowzMartial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is friggen weird that Rashford, Martial and Shaw are so young but I miss how they used to play.

[–]IrishSweatPatch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pogba was absolutely atrocious yesterday, worst player on the pitch with Jones. He seriously lacks the winning and fighting mentality to dominate in midfield. He has a long, long way to go before he becomes the player we want him to be.

[–]mocthezumaJohnsen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watching Liverpool and Spurs win their games just highlights what a gigantic fuckup yesterday is turning out to be.

I want to see Rashford playing up front. Not saying he's going to be better than Zlatan, but at least he deserves a chance.

[–]Desperate_Desperado 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our home support is embarrassing.

[–]hoochiscrazy_Giggs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm kind of a bit annoyed with Zlatan. He genuinely does believe he's doing us a favour being here and it doesn't sit well with me. We are Manchester United, we don't need Zlatan to come and save us.

Thanks that felt good.

[–]husaini___ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imagine we have griezzman over zlatan. He would finish all of those fcking chances

Edit: i mean griezman would finish all those chance every game that ibra have.comeon you guys see that the service to the striker this season is very much better but ibra always bottled it

[–]Takley -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Zlatan is lucky the team create so much for him, he misses so many chances and his shot conversion is appalling.

No idea why im being downvoted, there are many current PL strikers finishing chances at a much better rate than Zlatan. We'd be competing for the title if we had Kane.

[–]myxo123 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (16子コメント)

He's no worse at finishing than Rooney, Rashford, Martial and he's far, far, far better than them at getting into goal scoring positions hence why he's scored so much more than any of them did when given the chance as a striker this year or the last few. His goals have bailed us out countless times this season including just last week in the League Cup final

No striker in the world doesn't miss chances. Even Ronaldo, Suarez and Messi miss a lot of sitters

Zlatan isn't perfect but he's very, very easily our best performing striker since RVP in SAF's last season

[–]Takley -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (15子コメント)

He's no worse at finishing than Rooney, Rashford, Martial

Well actually thats just wrong, they finish chances at a much better rate.

No striker in the world doesn't miss chances. Even Ronaldo, Suarez and Messi miss a lot of sitters

There are also many strikers who dont have have a rate of 15 goals from 110 shots, and missed 17 clear cut chances?

[–]myxo123 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Ronaldo has an atrocious shots to goals rate and always has. Guess he's a terrible finisher she's too right?

How many strikers have scored 26 goals for us in a season by early March?

You're talking Ronaldo once, Rooney probably twice, RVP once and that's it in the last decade

[–]sizzlelikeasnail 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't get it. How isn't Zlatan worse at finishing than players with better conversion rates? It's not like the chances he gets are hard either

Plus you don't need to lie about Ronaldo's conversion to make a point. His is especially impressive considering that he shoots from everywhere. I saw him taking a shot with a freekick from around the halfway line at the euros. But it's made up for by the fact that he bangs in 50+ goals every year

[–]myxo123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Zlatan also shoots from everywhere, where asRooney and Rashford basically never shoot outside of clear goal scoring opportunities and Martial doesn't shoot from distance anywhere near as much as Zlatan.

You are both fucking idiots.

Football is about number of goals scored not fucking conversion rates. As though Martial, Rooney or Rashford would have scored more if they'd played up front all season because they have better 'conversion rates'

Fucking clueless morons.

[–]kakikakikakikaki 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! It's like no one here has a brain.

[–]Takley -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

latan also shoots from everywhere, where asRooney and Rashford basically never shoot outside of clear goal scoring opportunities and Martial doesn't shoot from distance anywhere near as much as Zlatan.

Absolute complete and utter lie

[–]myxo123 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah yeah move the fuck along fanboy. I hear Everton have a pre order going for next season. You'll want to get on that shit

[–]Takley -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ronaldo has an atrocious shots to goals rate and always has. Guess he's a terrible finisher she's too right?

He actually doesnt.

How many strikers have scored 26 goals for us in a season by early March?

How many lone strikers have been gifted so many chances every single game?

ou're talking Ronaldo once, Rooney probably twice, RVP once and that's it in the last decade

Nope, none of those were given the main CF role like Ibra has

[–]myxo123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Gifted chances? You mean getting into great goal scoring position by great awareness and movement right?

As usual this is your normal Rooney fanboy bullshit. Admit it, you want Rooney to start up front instead of Zlatan right?

All the excuses in the world for Rooney and hyper critical for Zlatan despite him single handedly winning is a trophy last week and scoring more goals than Rooney could even dream of in 2017

[–]JustTickleMyShitUp 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But he's right. In the 2 seasons under SAF where Rooney was exclusively used as a ST, he got 34 goals on both occasions. Next time you're trying to make a point, know what you're talking about. It's better than mindlessly shitposting and calling people fanboys.

He's right about Zlatan's conversation rates too. But at the end of the day the point is moot since we don't have anyone better.

[–]myxo123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those season were 5 years ago. I don't give a fuck what Rooney was like at 25, that has nothing at all to do with the discussion.

We're talking about Rooney in 2017 you clueless fuckhead

[–]Takley -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gifted chances? You mean getting into great goal scoring position by great awareness and movement right?

So... like any other top striker? Those who finish their chances?

As usual this is your normal Rooney fanboy bullshit. Admit it, you want Rooney to start up front instead of Zlatan right?

Bless, how pathetic, you actually need to completely imagine i said something i didnt because you dont have anything else to say. What a complete embarrassment you are.

If we had any other top striker like Kane, we'd be challenging for the league.

[–]myxo123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So Zlatan is a top striker then. Totally agree. Discussion over

Have you bought your Everton shirt for next year yet?

[–]Rambo247365 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rvp was the main CF, Rooney was the main CF when he scored that number of goals

[–]Takley -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rvp was the main CF,

Nope, he played with Rooney being a second striker.

[–]KingsleyComan -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wouldn't blame Zlatan if he left. He's 35 and he's expected to carry the team. The difference in support that he had between PSG and United, in terms of supply as well as having others to share the scoring burden, is alarming. And then when he doesn't win the game or misses chances all the fans are shitting on him for 'not trying'/'not giving enough', as though he's greedily forcing himself in the first team at the expense of a better performer.

Why should he stay? He wants to win and you can't do that with the quality of play on display this season.

[–]kakikakikakikaki 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly

[–]hoochiscrazy_Giggs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His ego will not let him leave I can almost guarantee it

[–]ClownJohnStones -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I hate Rooney as a person and as a player and Herrera irritates me. Fellaini as well.

[–]RoyalSwishScholes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sorry, but the fact you hate someone who has won everything with us is just plain stupid.

Yes, he isn't what he was, and he has paid the price for that by being dropped, but to hate him is just ridiculous.

And how on earth does Herrera irritate you? His personality has been nothing but exemplary. He may have his moments on the pitch but he's been instrumental to the team this season.

[–]ClownJohnStones 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sorry, but the fact you hate someone who has won everything with us is just plain stupid.

Yes, he isn't what he was, and he has paid the price for that by being dropped, but to hate him is just ridiculous.

He's cheated on his pregnant wife in the past, can't keep controversy out of his name (see the drunk wedding incident) and he's wanted away twice. He literally almost moved to City in 2010.

As a player nowadays, he's extremely one dimensional and slow.

And how on earth does Herrera irritate you? His personality has been nothing but exemplary. He may have his moments on the pitch but he's been instrumental to the team this season.

He's a fucking whiner who goes down to easily and is extremely animated in the process.

[–]RoyalSwishScholes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cheating on his pregnant wife is unforgivable. I agree. But getting drunk makes him bad? During the international break where he was injured and wasn't going to play the next game? You're daft mate.

The first request was because he was in the right. We replaced Ronaldo with Valencia and were not investing in the squad the way we should have. The second request wasn't even a request. He didn't hand a transfer request at all. He said that himself.

As for Herrera, you can say that about any Spanish player, but you cannot disregard his ethos and effort on and off the pitch.

[–]ilovethisgameahahahRashford -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If we had a top top striker we would be challenging Chelsea directly right now.

[–]RoyalSwishScholes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Give over, we do have a top top striker. Even Costa hasn't scored a few games for Chelsea. It happens. RvP had a period where he didn't score.

It's about having others scoring as well. That's what Chelsea are doing. When Costa doesn't score, Hazard, Fabregas and Pedro fill in. Us on the other hand, have only had Martial and others score a few times when Zlatan hasn't.

[–]ilovethisgameahahahRashford -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not about him not scoring, it's that he misses the easiest chances regularly. He gets 99% of the service every game so it isn't easy for other players to score.

[–]RoyalSwishScholes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol the fact you're complaining about a guy who single handedly won us the EFL cup, got us the winner at Blackburn off the bench, and has scored almost 30 goals in all competitions is laughable.

Even Messi has missed clangers and he's the best player in the world.

You should more worried about the other players not contributing, regardless of whether they're getting the service or not. Zlatan's doing his job, Martial, Mkhi, Rashford need to do theirs.