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Heuristic, Skittles Principle, and Jerks (self.marriedredpill)

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I was reading this post, To Game of Not To Game by u/resolutions316 with a reference to a classic jackten post, and realized something.

In his post, resolutions316 is trying to work out his issues, and describes his approach (resolution316, btw, the solution is that you need to lift)

whenever I hit a problem in life ("I need to make more money!" or "My wife won't have sex with me!") I:

  1. Download the top ten books on the subject
  2. Read the shit out of them
  3. Start an Evernote notebook and collect highlights
  4. Process the highlights into an intellectual framework
  5. Break the framework down into an 80/20 of effective techniques or goals
  6. Break the goals/techniques into "next steps"
  7. Find the metrics that measure progress
  8. Implement next steps and monitor progress and metrics and spreadsheets and read more books and...

Of course it's not working, because as jacktenofhearts pointed out in his classic post, things are not linear like that, at least when it comes to women.

A good framework for explaining this comes from business. In business, we distinguish between complicated problems and complex problems. Complicated problems are problems like "how do you send a rocket to the moon?" It's hard to calculate, but there is a defined answer. Complex problems are problems like "how do you raise a child?" There is no one answer that can be calculated because when you do one thing, the child does another, and you have to respond to it. Football games, as in jackten's analogy, is another complex problem. Some problems are both complicated and complex.

You can't "solve" a complex problem analytically. There is no predefined solution. More importantly, there are so many moving parts, applying logic doesn’t work very well. What works? Heuristics - rules of thumb, and trial and error.

A lot of business (and people) run into problems when they confuse one kind of problem for another.

A lot of guys here arrive at MRP after trying to use a hammer to saw wood, trying to use logic to solve a complex problem, namely women's behavior. Or thinking being nicer will lead to sex. Or asking for sex will result in higher likelihood of sex. That if you push forward, the object will move forward. No. Just about the most complex problem there is is sexual reproduction. When you push forward, the object will often move backward.

Some of us get led astray though, because sexual reproduction is a complicated and complex problem and we can unravel just a piece of it using logic so we think we can unravel all of it using logic. No.

The reason we can't figure women out logically is because we're not using the right frame. The frame is that of a complex and complicated problem, where the best you can do is heuristics layered on top of logic.

What's more, women instinctively know this. They use heuristics all the time, because their evolutionary survival depended on solving a problem that's nearly as complex: behavior of men.

So while men sometimes cling to logic even when push comes to shove, women won't. They can't. They're evolutionarily wired to ditch logic and go all in on heuristics when going gets tough.

So let's look at one example of heuristics in action. I made this post, Explaining the Skittles Man a while back. In it, I quoted a journalist who predicted that Trump was going to win because he treated volunteers the worst. I drew an analogy to women, who often gravitate toward men who treat them the worst (Skittles Man, or "Jerks"), because the men were displaying OI and abundance.

Now when I said Trump was going to win, I was being tongue in cheek because I’m a rational guy and I believed the polls. Plus, in the part of country I’m in, no one thought he was going to win.

But, heuristics won out again. The heuristic “the candidate who needs the volunteers least is going to win” was right.

So let’s call this the Skittles Principle. A woman is well served if she chooses the man who needs her the least. The man who gives her Skittles, not Tiffany’s jewelry.

Women have been evolutionarily wired to maximize survival. Let’s say there was a power struggle thousands of years ago in a tribe. A woman who followed the Skittles principle (in this case, choosing Trump) would have fared far better than a woman who followed logic or conventional linear wisdom. Women whose hamsters were strong would have lived and reproduced, those whose weren’t would have reached an evolutionary dead end. "Hilar the Caveman is more intelligent and stronger and is logically likely to win and he treats me like a queen, and is desperate for me to be with him while Trumpo the Caveman treats me like crap because he doesn't seem to need me at all. I will choose Hilar." Bam. Evolutionary dogmeat.

Evolution is the harshest truth there is. When logic meets failure of sexual reproduction, logic loses.

What this means is that women don't act the way they do because of a defect. It's a feature, not a bug. They are preprogrammed for maximal evolutionary survival, namely to go with their feelz and not for logic, because in the sexual reproduction race, logic cannot keep up with heuristics.

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[–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

For the second time today, I am at a loss for words.

I read your post carefully. Part of it was interesting and part of it was entertaining, but I missed some of the connections that could tie it all together.

While I take no issue with anything you said, I just don't see how it all fits together as a unified thought process that would make it a great post. This is one instance where making some additions and/or revisions could greatly improve your impact. Best

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its mental masturbation (which I did as well in the comments) but it is good mental masturbation.

I have issue with too much of it. Can't be an old fashioned field report

[–]RBuddDwyerMarried- MRP APPROVED 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I must be autistic, because I get it. It's essentially two different main points:

  1. Don't miss the forest for the trees.
  2. Women view your indifference as an indicator of abundance mentality, which they find attractive. They find abundance mentality attractive because they assume that if a man has options, it means other women must find him attractive. And if other women want him, then I want him. And we all know what happens when a bunch of women decide they all want the same thing.

[–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I must be autistic, because I get it.

I'ma gonna hafta work harder to be more autistic. lol

[–]RBuddDwyerMarried- MRP APPROVED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weaponized autism, my friend.

[–]UEMcGillMarried- MRP MODERATOR 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you

-Neil DeGrass Tyson

I heard that the other day on Joe Rogan, and I think it speaks well to your heuristic approach. I think at it's heart the failure of many bluepill guys is simply that. They are assigning "patterns" in the universe where their simply aren't any. Then the outcome fails them, so they double down.

Men want women to make sense. They fail by trying to explain their reasons. They fail by making snowflakes out of hypergamous post wall LTR's, or pedestalizing low n-count girls that are boring as fuck.

Women are under no obligation to make sense to you. If more guys accepted women for their true nature, and treated them appropriately, there would be a lot less average frustrated chumps.

[–]RBuddDwyerMarried- MRP APPROVED -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck Tyson. Richard Feynman was the better physicist. Not only did he do more to advance the education and understanding of physics for the common man than anyone else, but he was was also quite the player. He played the bongos too.

But I actually have, as a longer term project, an idea to equate Feynman's Lectures on Physics to game. There are some very loose generalities that can get pulled over. The immediate one I saw is where when you look at natural phenomena up close, it appears to be random. But when you pull out and look at all of it as a whole, you start to see patterns that can be explained. You cannot predict the behavior of the single thing, but you can predict the behavior of the system as a whole. It's what makes it possible for us to generalize and describe female behavior, even when each individual woman appears to be unpredictable.

[–]InChargeMan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Somebody got triggered...

[–]GargantuaBlarg29MRP APPROVED 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you've done an awesome job summarizing why MRP is a box of tools. Each tool was built for a very specific, logical job. A hammer bangs in nails. This is the logic, and though you kind of undersold logic I think we all crave this basic understanding when trying to understand new information.

A hammer is for banging in nails...but there's so much more to a hammer than that. I find that a lot of topics I look at, most recently game, start as just these small islands of logical information. But as you said, you can't use logic through and through. There has to be some adaptation. Some interwoven glue to connect these ideas.

As an example: one day I was working on my car. There was a bolt that was stuck and I could only reach it with channel locks so a socket set was out. It was down in an awkward spot too so puttinv torque on it was tough. I struggled to both get a grip on this thing, and turn it. I struggled for awhile on this, my hands ached, and I thought you know what...I went and got a second channel lock, which I gripped the end of the first set with, extending my reach to a more open area. I then took a hammer and bashed the end of the second pair...which torqued the first, and loosened the bolt.

None of this shit was made to do what I did with it. I just took the logic of what each is supposed to do, and through adaptation and trial and error made it work for me. Nice post.

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

how does this help?

[–]RBuddDwyerMarried- MRP APPROVED 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good general ideas, but needs some improvement to flash it out. Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined.

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

like fair trade coffee and the new age coffee shops...

[–]BobbyPeru 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stream of thoughts you were having?

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How funny, I immediately read his bullet list (which is great) then skipped everything else. Great content, but too much information.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Oh that Jack Codepentant on the spectrum he called it?

Something to think about. Swarming creatures fly in complex patterns, handle all kinds of issues, when their brains aren't able to calculate how they do it. they stick to a few simple rules, and then they connect in complex ways to create what you see in locus/bee/bird swarms.

My takeaway from this, same as Solomon 2, or my post on new years resolutions. I will strive to live like a better woman. If you cannot beat em, join em. Keep it simple, stop trying to figure out how the flock flies, keep flapping.

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

What do you mean by live like a better woman?

[–]GargantuaBlarg29MRP APPROVED 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

He's going to go buy fresh panties from Victoria's Secret. No more holey Hanes for SPT.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

New Year’s Resolutions

by Dalrock

December 26, 2010 by Solomon II 10 Comments

It’s good to be back after my month off. I hope each and every one of you had a great Holiday season and are ready to start the New Year with the gusto of a marketing girl with daddy issues and the resilience of a rationalization hamster on steroids.

I can’t even imagine how many New Year’s Resolution posts are floating around the interwebs right now, so thanks for reading mine. Here are the promises I’m making to myself for 2011, partially inspired by Wyatt Earp, James Bond, and James Kirk:

I. I am going to start reading my own blog. There’s some solid material here – blatantly plagiarized and original alike, and I’d do well to take my own advice. I will remind myself that knowledge is useless unless put into practice on a daily basis.

II. I will not be with more than two women at a time. I’ve been running three and four at a time, but I’m too old and busy to keep that up. It’s actually starting to become more of a chore than anything else. As always, the hotter the bitch, the stronger her entitlement monkey and louder her rationalization hamster, so I think I’ll keep one 8/9 for pride and one 6/7 for comfort. I’ll switch them out when I get bored.

III. I’m done being blinded by beauty. I will not take an ounce of shit from a woman in 2011 regardless of how beautiful she is or how much I want to keep her around. I will become an Alpha Cowboy of the Wyatt Earp kind: I’ll treat her like a lady when she acts like one, and hang her by the neck until dead if she crosses the line. There will be no middle ground, no second chances, and no more “working through it”. My life may be temporarily inconvenienced as forgiveness gives way to justice, but the end result will be worth it.

IV. I have 14 pounds to drop. I’ll do it before March 1st. I need to tone up. I’ll do it before June 1st. I’m going to do my dead level best to bang my first “perfect 10” this summer. A better body, false promises of commitment, and two tickets to the Canary Islands ought to do it. All women are for sale spontaneous, so I just need the right currency to attract them.

V. I’m the type of person for whom being right is only part of the goal. In addition to being right, I have a strange urge to confirm that everyone else understands my thinking. If they disagree, that’s fine, I just need to be understood. I need to let this go and adopt a 007 persona: get in, kill my target, and get out without being caught. It doesn’t matter if I get the credit or not, and it doesn’t matter who understands or agrees with me. My life will be simpler when I complete my James Bond 007 mission and get out without trying to melt a snowflake. I can’t let my pride get in the way when they rationalize the breakup later, surround themselves with friends who assure them “they deserve better” and ultimately blame me for their fate. Let cock #47 try to teach her a lesson, not me. It’s a fool’s quest anyway.

VI. Courtesy of the commenter “Squared” on the post Run Forrest, Run I will adopt this policy when it comes to having female friends: “If I’m not fucking you now, fucking you soon, or using you to fuck other girls, you’re useless to me”.

VII. Like Captain Kirk, I will explore strange new worlds. I will travel for pleasure instead of just for business, meet new people, and expand my social circle at home. I can be a loner at times, and I’m going to change that. Snowflakes fall and melt, but when the weather changes, all a man has is his friends.

VIII. Even though I’m already doomed to burn for eternity in a Lake of Fire, I’m going to volunteer at the Children’s Hospital this year. I’m starting in April when my Q1 travel schedule settles down.

IX. I will not give a traditional wedding to any woman who can’t give me a traditional honeymoon. If she can ignore the outdated tradition of chastity, I can ignore the outdated tradition of marital commitment. I realize this premise is unrealistic. I also realize that the premise of a truly happy marriage is unrealistic at my age, since any woman worth a shit is married or engaged by the age of 25. In addition, I will not give a greater level of respect or commitment to any woman than the least amount of respect or commitment she’s demanded from any other man. I will not pay full retail price for outdated, used or damaged goods.

X. There’s no future in being a better man, so I will work hard to become a better woman. I will give myself free reign to do whatever I want whenever I want, and I will do so with impunity. I will demand the best for myself because I deserve it, and shame those who do not immediately offer it. I will be faithful to my partner when it suits me, and adventurous when it doesn’t. I will be bad and demand nothing but good in return. I want it all, and I want you to give it to me right now. I will find power and self confidence by being sexually promiscuous while ignoring the fact that I’m not accomplishing anything that your average chimp at the zoo hasn’t. I will demand that you accept, embrace and celebrate my actions because I am being true to my exceptionally unique self. I will righteously criticize those who engage in the exact same behavior I do, because unlike them, I’ll do it with style. Most importantly, if my Sex and the City lifestyle doesn’t pan out, I’ll blame it on whoever or whatever is closest to me.

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[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sounds like he's thrown in the towel.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Dalrock?

[–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He's saying, "Women don't try anymore so I'm not going to either." Well Dalrock, you're going to follow in the footsteps of women, eh? These women aren't going to change themselves. We as Men set the tone, set the pace, and burn the ship.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We as Men must

Ima stop you right there. you do you

[–]RBuddDwyerMarried- MRP APPROVED 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Solomon 2

One of the greatest blogs ever published, btw. It's up there with Pook. Drive thru boyfriends is a timeless work of art.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed. Surprised how hard it was to find.

[–]RBuddDwyerMarried- MRP APPROVED 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Return of Kings has an article about Solomon II, along with a pdf compilation of at least some of the posts. I can't link to it now because the shitty free wifi I'm on blocks the RoK domain.k A Google search will turn it up as the first hit.