There's been a few posts on here as of late, expressing a sentiment that MGTOW itself is growing, which is a perfectly good thing, don't get me wrong; everyone has the god given right to go their own way no matter what that way is. a few posts on here even document MGTOW running into and identifying each other.

I've never had the privilege of meeting one of you fine gentlemen in real life, but what i see more are men who are going their own way without even realizing it, arriving at their conclusions independently. Among them are men who don't have the resources to pursue women, men who don't have the know-how to pursue women, men who are too fixated on a career or interest, men who have deep rooted psychological issues; any of the above men, in a different cultural, economic, and social climate, would've become loyal, dutiful betabucks.

MGTOW is just a symptom of the toxicity.