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Like any good con man, Donald Trump sure is good at emotional manipulation, evading responsibility, and lying through his never-smiling teeth. All of those skills were on display Tuesday, when he tried to blame Barack Obama for any problems with the January 29 special operations raid in Yemen that resulted in the death of Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens as well as multiple injuries to U.S. special operators, the deaths of an unknown number of civilians (including an 8-year-old American girl), and the loss of a $70 million MV-22 Osprey aircraft. But in his speech Tuesday night, Trump turned around and insisted the raid was a huge success, according to “our Great General Mattis,” which is not a real military rank. Trump followed that up with the speech’s emotional peak, a supremely cynical focus on Owens’s widow, Carryn, who became the tearful symbol of Owens’s sacrifice. Surely the raid had to be a success — just look at the grieving widow!

Except, despite Owens’s heroism and sacrifice, evidence continues to emerge that the raid itself was badly planned and executed, and according to “ten current U.S. officials across the government who have been briefed on the details,” the raid didn’t actually gather any significant intelligence. Not that we should ever admit such a thing, since under the new rules of Trumpism, questioning the value of the mission is equivalent to denying Owens was a hero, and why do you hate America and The Troops?

An unidentified “senior U.S. official” told the Associated press the Pentagon had compiled a three-page list of information gathered in the attack on an Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) compound, including data on their targeting priorities and training methods. But according to some U.S. officials who spoke to NBC News, the information on that list wasn’t especially useful; they characterized it as “neither actionable nor vital.”

One senior Pentagon official described the information gathered as “de minimis,” and as material the U.S. already knew about.

However, another U.S. official said the information contained hundreds of contact details from a variety of communications apps, suggesting possible links to the Europe and the U.S.

So it’s looking like the best that can be said of the raid’s intelligence value is that it’s a mixed bag; as for the AQAP fighters killed in the raid, the most senior was a guy named Sheikh Abdel-Raouf al-Dhahab, who the officials who spoke to NBC News said wasn’t a very high-value target, but “they hoped intelligence at the site could lead them to other targets.”

There also appears to be some careful backtracking on the part of Pentagon officials; Sen. John McCain said he understood the raid had been designed to capture or kill high ranking AQAP militants, but after the raid, the Pentagon described it as a “site exploitation mission” aimed at gathering intelligence. After McCain said it was about going after specific terrorists, defense officials

did not dispute McCain’s characterization, saying they were hoping to kill or capture certain militants, though they declined to name them.

Because we are big old cynics, that sure sounds like maybe McCain was right about the raid’s primary goal, and then when no top AQAP guys turned up dead in the rubble, the mission was then all about the laptops and hard drives recovered. We’re happy to acknowledge that’s pure speculation on our part.

As for the ultimate value of the intelligence material recovered in the raid, that ranges from the unnamed sources telling NBC it wasn’t of much value, to the glib bullshit of White House press secretary Sean Spicer’s response Monday to Owens’s father, who criticized the raid and blamed an over-hasty decision by Trump for his son’s death. Spicer insisted,

“I can tell him that on behalf of the president, his son died a hero and the information that he was able to help obtain through that raid, as I said before, is going to save American lives,” he said. “The mission was successful in helping prevent a future attack or attacks on this nation.”

In a few years, when someone writes the definitive book on what now looks like an unproductive clusterfuck that killed too many people, we’ll be sure to let you know which take on the raid was more accurate. We’re not inclined to accept any spin from Spicer, who’s so adept at grasping at straws that he explained how a line from My Little Pony disproved accusations that Melania Trump’s RNC speech was plagiarized from Michelle Obama. He was lying then, and we see little reason to believe him now.

In the meantime, we’ll look forward to the endless congressional hearings into the Yemen raid. Surely a series of investigations must be on the way. You know for a fact that if Hillary Clinton had authorized it, we’d never hear the end of outrage about how she’d casually sacrificed a brave Navy SEAL for nothing.

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  • Crank Tango

    Benghazi in platforms…

    • dodster

      Magnificent

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Sounds like all they got was somebody’s Outlook contact list. Yay.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      a reply all to a chain email…

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        And spam. “Hot Kazakh babes show their ankles! Click here for more!”

      • Creepoman

        Sir, you will doubtlessly be astonished to be receiving a letter from a person unknown to you, who is about to ask a favour from you…

  • schmannity

    Why didn’t Trump send backup? Was he too busy shooting hoops?

    • Sardonicuss

      Tweeting about a t.v. show. Would be funny if not so tragic….the bastard.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Why did Trump issue an order to stand down? Was he in his mom jeans playing golf at Mar-A-Lago?

      I thought if he used the term “radical Islamic terrorism” that ISIS would just dissolve. Why are they still active? Was it Trump’s unsecured Twitter rants? I demand 17 investigations.

      • Sardonicuss

        He was busy scissoring with Bannon…..
        Ooops .made myself puke.

        • Mehmeisterjr

          Thanks for that mental image, not so much.

          Luckily, I have been investing in brain bleach futures.

      • Poly_Ester

        May work for ISIS or more correctly ISIL, but the raid was in the Arabian Peninsula and the target was Al Qaeda, so Trump needs new magic words.

        • Biel_ze_Bubba

          Trump probably is unaware of the difference. And if you somehow managed to explain it to him, he wouldn’t care.

          • FlownΩver

            Seen one bad dude, you’ve seen ’em all.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      He hadn’t finished his TrumpTowerTaco Salad.

    • GoutMachine

      At least he wasn’t golfi— oh.

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Why does Ryan Owen’s father hate America so much?

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I definitely feel like this is a trick question…

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Not only did it help prevent an attack or attacks on our nation, it also keeps tigers away!

    • Beanz&Berryz

      From children in Omaha…

      Have you seen a tiger chase a kid in Omaha since the attack?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        just Calvin…

  • Beanz&Berryz

    “You know for a fact that if Hillary Clinton had authorized it, we’d never hear the end of outrage about how she’d casually sacrificed a brave Navy SEAL for nothing.”

    …just to watch a man die…

    • WotsAllThisThen

      And Trump would have his widow and/or mother shouting angrily into a microphone about how dare you call me a liar.

    • TJ Barke

      Bemenghazi!

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Donald Trump is a lying liar?

    I’m shocked, shocked!

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Not to sound fatalistic or nuthin’, but I have this feeling that, given what could quite possibly be coming in the next few years, this event may end up seeming like a happy walk in the park by contrast.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      A quaint ante-shitstorm

    • Sardonicuss

      …….or, it could be an integral card in the crumbling house. Glass half full! (of whiskey).

  • JohnBull

    We can blame Hillary for Benghazi but not Trump for this? Because Hillz is a traitor and Trump is a patriot. End of story.
    I’ve decided to become a Republican. It’s so much easier than thinking critically.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      My synapses need a rest from all that thinking!

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      It’s so much easier than thinking.

      FIFY

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Hey, that’s a good idea! I was getting awfully sick of all this. Now I can sit back and ask why everyone isn’t as happy as me.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      I think you’re forgetting that Hillary said something at some point that wasn’t entirely accurate about what she knew or did or what the reason was or something. And Twitler, as we know, is always 100% truthful and accurate and consistent. So no need to investigate.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      plus, nothing is ever your fault

    • HogeyeGrex

      No. It’s because Benghazi was an attack by an outside force. Something that happens periodically to our foreign installations, and over which Clinton had no direct control.
      Yemen on the other hand, was “planned,” timed and ordered by the Trump administration entirely of their own volition.

      Wait.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Were any of US officials named John Barron?

  • MeerkatsRMammals

    Well, with all the upcoming investigations that MUST take place (Russian ties, Yemen, lies, lies, lies, yeah!) maybe the ACA overhaul & all the other horrible things they wanna do will have to stay on the back burner.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Not a chance- it’s full speed ahead for ZEGS

      • MeerkatsRMammals

        Damn…come on… I was finally having a day where I felt hopeful :(

  • Nounverb911

    “Everything I’ve done in my presidency is Obama’s fault.”
    –DJT

    • Villago Delenda Est

      That sneaky Obama…nominating Sessions for AG in a deliberate ploy to make Donald look bad…

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        And bugging the Russian diplomats, because Obama knew in advance that Trump’s band of dunces would be talking to them. Devious!

    • GoutMachine

      How many miles (or years, or whatever the odometer measures) is on that time machine of his, anyway? Must be due for a routine servicing by now.

  • exinkwretch

    To save time and ensure clarity, the next Bannon-orchestrated military raid will be code-named “Operation Clusterfuck.”

  • BadKitty904

    So, Trumpanzees, how’s that “swamp-draining” going so far?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_s6Vz1utA

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    “Never mind the clusterfuck – here’s the hero’s widow. You must applaud, and I’ll just assume the applause is for me.”

    • FlownΩver

      “Get the widow on the set.”

  • Nounverb911
    • Must have collected a bagful in The Great Grenada Meritocracy courtesy of Reagan:
      https://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/doonesbury-grenada-crop.jpg

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        everybody gets a trophy

      • HogeyeGrex

        I can’t hear/see the word “meritocracy” with out thinking of this:

        I remember back in the late ’90s when Ira Katznelson, an eminent political scientist at Columbia, came to deliver a guest lecture to an economic philosophy class I was taking. It was a great lecture, made more so by the fact that the class was only about ten or twelve students and we got got ask all kinds of questions and got a lot of great, provocative answers. Anyhow, Prof. Katznelson described a lunch he had with Irving Kristol back either during the first Bush administration. The talk turned to William Kristol, then Dan Quayle’s chief of staff, and how he got his start in politics. Irving recalled how he talked to his friend Harvey Mansfield at Harvard, who secured William a place there as both an undergrad and graduate student; how he talked to Pat Moynihan, then Nixon’s domestic policy adviser, and got William an internship at The White House; how he talked to friends at the RNC and secured a job for William after he got his Harvard Ph.D.; and how he arranged with still more friends for William to teach at UPenn and the Kennedy School of Government. With that, Prof. Katznelson recalled, he then asked Irving what he thought of affirmative action. “I oppose it”, Irving replied. “It subverts meritocracy.”

      • GunToting[Redacted]

        And sadly, a whole bunch of SEALs lost their lives because of institutional fuckups, including launching the mission at the wrong time (leading them to parachute into rough seas, killing several before they ever contacted the enemy), and radios that could not reach other service groups. Great job, Great Generals!

  • shaar dula

    knowing what we have seen so far, you can be pretty sure that even he knows there are bones in that yemeni closet. louder the repentance greater the crime. ativinayam dhoortha lakshanam — somebody being too nice is prolly too good to be true.

    • FlownΩver

      Yumpin’ Yemeni, the nickname of the terrist responsible for the Sweden Massacree.

  • memzilla Ω

    The most valuable intelligence we got from this mission is that Dolt 45 is not fit to command even THESE guys.
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea707091d2861119b2fbf4bc179db918f082b079a82e29313026c6cbd3e55351.jpg

  • Mpeg

    “But when you lie, don’t let your left side of your mouth know what the right side is doing.” See, teh Donald does know his scriptural wisdom~

  • Undocumented Skwerl!

    “The mission was successful in helping prevent a future attack or attacks on this nation.” It was so successful that wars will end, and you will bask in my glory.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Hey, if it was successful, I will assume that there will be no future attacks on American targets going forward.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      we will be greeted as liberators

  • Carpe Vagenda
  • FlownΩver

    “…our Great General Mattis,” which is not a real military rank.”

    Obergruppenführer, on the other hand…

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Is that German for Really Grabby Leader?

      • FlownΩver

        Close. That would be Untergropenführer, a title reserved for Dolt 45 himself.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Dang! I knew I wasted my time learning Arabic and Mandarin!

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            should have learned to speak Russian

          • Msgr_MΩment

            You will, Zipp. You will.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            You know, I tried, but it was forbidden by my grandmother, who believed sincerely that Stalin was still out to get her.

        • shaar dula

          this unter cool. unter gropen fuhrer. makes so much lexical sense.

          untergropenfuhrer there i said it. so self satisfied i need to go smoke now.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Speaking of the Obergruppenführer, I had a sex dream about Rufus Sewell in costume for The Man in the High Castle. It was hot at the time, but I woke up feeling … conflicted.

      • FlownΩver

        Well, they always say “there’s something about a man in uniform.” See also: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03ba90ab86e19608cfa47d0ca68d38389faac9fe8aac5b54eb4cf43aee4d4479.jpg

        • Gayer Than Thou

          I think you may have found a form of gay conversion therapy that actually works.

        • Msgr_MΩment

          Presidential Wedgie Accomplished.

        • Wild Cat

          Will you stop teasing Chris Matthews! Now he has to get a Viagra refill.

      • Persistent Demme

        Always have thought that Rufus Sewell was dreamy and should have had a bigger career.
        Have you seen him in “Cold Comfort Farm?”
        (Great cast, great movie.)

        • Gayer Than Thou

          I love that movie.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    But according to some U.S. officials who spoke to NBC News, the information on that list wasn’t especially useful; they characterized it as “neither actionable nor vital.”

    One senior Pentagon official described the information gathered as “de minimis,” and as material the U.S. already knew about.

    Guys, I think some wires got crossed. The research they are talking about is the one that Marco Rubio commissioned on Trump’s penis during the campaign.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      “Nothing to see here, gents.”

  • Gayer Than Thou

    So, just to be clear – even if the raid were a success from an intelligence-gathering perspective, that wouldn’t mean it had been well-planned and it wouldn’t mean that, with better planning, it might’ve been carried off with less loss of life and materiel.

    • GoutMachine

      Details, details. You’re so high-maintenance!

    • OneYieldRegular

      Dolce et decorum est pro patria mori, and shut up about the rest.”

  • Nounverb911
  • Nounverb911
    • Shanzgood

      I guess it’s better than a chiffon scarf for keeping his hair in place.

  • Sardonicuss

    They are so busy looking for a dog to wag (today N. Korea for instance), if something doesn’t happen soon to leash these assholes – a bunch of guys are going into the suck really quick.
    * The congressional coward caucus better keep that in mind. 2 years is not that far off and another stupid war could really clean out the house. 2006.

    • shivaskeeper

      Embrace the suck.

    • Persistent Demme

      I wish I had a thousand upfists for this.

  • DahBoner

    The raid was a huge success in keeping seagulls away.
    http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/000/028/failgull.jpg

    • Msgr_MΩment

      She was warned.
      It was explained.
      And yet she persisted.

  • The grossest disrespect to the military is to send them off to spend their time, their efforts, their bravery, and their lives for no damn reason.

    • Lord Jim

      From the movie Flight of the Intruder

      This war’s become very confusing. Nobody… nobody wants to fight in it.
      Nobody seems to want to win it. Maybe it never should have happened,
      but people do die in it. Maybe for me, it got personal, because I do
      know the difference between dying for something and dying for nothing.

    • Lizzietish81
    • Persistent Demme

      And his dad knows this.

  • GoutMachine

    This is what happens when you continuously piss in the cornflakes of the Pentagon, the intelligence community and the media, you fascist, loofa-faced, shit-gibbon.

    And also when you’re just downright incompetent and evil, etc.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Another Bright And Shining Lie

    Trump should be living in a vann down by the river.

    • JohnBull

      A Trump presidency and a nickel will get us all a cup …of JACK SQUAT!

    • snark-lurker

      no, he should be in a 8×12

    • georgiaburning

      He should be living in the same unit as Bernie Madoff

  • Wild Cat

    And I thought the Cheney/Unshaved Bush II Administration was an enormous wet fart aimed at the American people . . .

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Someone has already died due to Donald’s incompetence. I can’t even snark. Fuck.

    • Wild Cat

      But didn’t you see the widow crying from happiness on some TV show the other night? She must have won a trip to Guam or something.

      • proudgrampa

        First prize, one week in Guam.

        Second prize, TWO weeks in Guam.

        • magyar of infinite power

          Only someone who has never been to a beach in Tamuning would spout such nonsense. Or Talafofo Falls.

    • Jamoche

      Many someones, including kids. Even an American kid. You’d think that would get the “family values” folks all riled up.

      • Biff52

        DAMN it, beaten by milliseconds!

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          A free Coke is the usual compensation.

          • puredog

            Free coke? sign me up.

      • GoutMachine

        Nah, he was already born. If he’d been a fetus, though …

    • Biff52

      Someones. 14 civilians and 3 militants, too.

      • snark-lurker

        they [say] they were militants

        • Jamoche

          Like that dangerous infant who needed heart surgery?

          • GoutMachine

            Especially him. I mean, give it a few years and we’d have to handcuff that kid in an airport! This is just saving time.

  • Jamoche

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/837323085153972224
    “I have been told that the House Obamacare bill is under lock & key, in a secure location, & not available for me or the public to view.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoy4_h7Pb3M

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    OT that’s not how it works, asswipe…

    https://s11.postimg.org/4skvx3fj7/letter.png

    • proudgrampa

      WHAT.
      THE.
      FUCK.

    • janecita

      Have you been harassing poor Senator Johnson?

      • laughingnome

        Good excuse to call his office. A lot. Everyone.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Not yet.

    • SullivanSt

      1st Amendment? SAYS WHO?!

    • wide_stance_hubby

      “They were warned. Nevertheless, they did not desist.”

    • Indivisible Snark Tank

      If I were you, I’d call and make sure you understand what they mean by this.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        I’m sure the person who actually wrote the letter has done so

        • Indivisible Snark Tank

          And now I’m wondering if I could get similar letters from Sens. Cornyn and Cruz….

    • Lord Jim

      I’d consider emailing this facsimile to the ACLU and inquire if this implicit threat constitutes a First Amendment violation. I’m serious.

    • HogeyeGrex

      Why the fuck does “staff” have a signature?

  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

    Turns out, there were no taco bowls at the Yemeni Taco Bell fly-through lane. Still, the salsa packets recovered on scene led intelligence to conclude that chips must have been present.

    • snark-lurker

      did they say if they found a pair of pants? Mine are…oh, never mind

  • Lizzietish81

    Weird how the usual “Support the Troops!” fetishists who yelled themselves hoarse about Benghazi have not said anything about this cluster fuck.

    • Sardonicuss

      Fits right in to their “Don’t disrespect the President during time of war!” ….then
      Fuck the Kenyan usurper!” ….narrative.

    • Wild Cat

      Those fuckers are still telling lies about evil liberals spitting on returning Vietnam vets.

      • Sardonicuss

        They were also the “We could have won Nam..if the dirty libtards hadn’t tied one of our hands (nukes) behind our backs!”

        • laughingnome

          It’s because we didn’t bomb the dams on the Mekong.

          • Sardonicuss

            Yes, we should have flooded the rice paddys because napalming the whole jungle just didn’t cut it.

    • Aileen

      Oh they have. They yell at me on Facebook, without irony, for “disrespecting” our fallen hero by pointing out that Trump authorized this raid for his own glorification and to get an early win to crow about.

    • shivaskeeper

      They don’t actually support the troops so why would they even pretend this time?

    • Lord Jim

      You’re not suggesting that conservatives use soldiers as puppets in political theater, are you? Because if you are, that’s where we’re going to have to agree.

    • janecita

      It’s the same crowd that complained about Obama’s vacations, but it is quite silent about Trump’s extravagant weekends, and his wife’s wasteful extra security.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      ‘Weird’ may not actually be the word you’re looking for

      cough*fuckinghypocritebastards*cough

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    The Yemen raid was designed to prevent grizzly bears from attacking children in schools. Haven’t heard about any attacks in the last few weeks, so it was obviously a success.

    • Lord Jim

      We owe military strategist Betsy DeVos a great debt.

      Barf.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        She’ll help rescue our failing military by providing alternative charter armies.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    I’m getting sick from all this popcorn.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Trump’s Law applied to Yemen raid:
    “Anything good that comes from this: My decision.
    Anything bad that comes from this: Obama’s fault.”

    Because: “The Buck Stops Anywhere BUT Here!”

    • Crank Tango

      The Party of Personal Responsibility™

      • Lord Jim

        Cannot. Be. Said. Enough.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Someone else’s Personal Responsibility.

    • janecita

      “The Buck doesn’t Stop Here.”
      Donald Trump

      • Lord Jim

        “The buck$ stop here, the responsibility, not so much.”

        • SullivanSt

          “I think you want that President, over there”

  • shivaskeeper

    Any military mission can go bad. That probably goes double for a raid in hostile territory. It’s the nature of military missions. Murphy is a motherfucker like that sometimes. There are always primary and secondary objectives.

    The thing is that if the mission does go bad, you try to learn from it and figure out why. You don’t shift the blame. You don’t lie about it. You don’t claim that so and so told you it was all good, so it’s all good.You damn sure do not go out and use a dead SEAL as an applause line.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      The only time you should use a Seal for an applause line is when the next line is “No, no. It’s just a little ice cream.”

      • The Wanderer

        I award you an upfist for the Penguin Joke reference.

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Obama was well aware that a clusterfuck like this would likely cost him his presidency.

      • shivaskeeper

        I don’t have access to any of the intel used or the battle plan. The risk does not seem to outweigh the reward as it stands. The raid itself should not cost anyone the Presidency. Missions and raids go bad. Anytime the military is sent into harms way people will die, and some of those will not be the ones who were supposed to die. It’s the nature of war. It’s not pretty, and it’s almost never clean.

        The denials that anything went wrong is what should cost. If President Obama ordered this I just can;t see him shifting the blame.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          My point being that, when/if something like this went wrong on Obama’s watch, it was because he “didn’t care about the troops”.

          • shivaskeeper

            I see now. I’m tracking.

    • Thaumaturgist

      You’re right. All military missions can go bad. (Count on it. They’re going to shoot back.) Thing is, these missions are classified. When they go bad, they stay classified, unless, of course, you let a a narcissistic fool in the loop.

      • shivaskeeper

        Yes and no. The Bin Laden mission was classified too. But the military has had to adapt to social media and real time info being broadcast from anyone with a phone and twitter account. You can’t really hide the mission anymore. You classify the planning, the intel sources used, the names of the people involved etc…. When a mission goes this wrong, there has to be something to show for it as we all know the mission happened.

    • OneYieldRegular

      I’m old enough to remember when a botched raid in the Middle East could cost one the Presidency. And President Carter actually accepted full responsibility for it.

  • Mavenmaven
    • Msgr_MΩment

      Ain’t nobody in here but us chickens.

      • snark-lurker

        oh yeah? wutz that in your underpants?

        • puredog

          Chicken rubber.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      so The Keebler elf didn’t even bother to tell the transition team?

      • YoBunnyBunny

        And–most importantly–the transition team didn’t bother to ask. Because why should anybody worry about cavorting with the Russians looks??? We’re the WINNERS!!!!11!!!

    • boyblue122

      Thats the sound of Sessions getting thrown under the bus. Thanks for playing

      • wide_stance_hubby

        Is the B-side the sound of the bus going over Sessions?

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Lone wolf, right?

      • Roadstergal

        It’s quite the coincidence, all of the lone wolves who were independently talking to Russia.

    • puredog

      Wow, when you lose USA Today, you lose. . .well, nothing, but you know what I mean.

    • cmd resistor

      So I read somewhere that today’s Spicer press briefing will happen on the plane coming back from wherever Trump went to talk about defense spending. Wonder what he will say? BTW, thanks for reminding me he was the one who had the My Little Pony thing. I had forgotten.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • GoutMachine

      I’m not a lawyer or anything, but I’m going to go with “Yeah, probably.”

    • SullivanSt

      Would make colluding with it treason, no?

      • snark-lurker

        “Hang’em High” is just an old flick, not real, there will be no investigation

    • Thaumaturgist

      Jean Shaheen need to learn to control her mouth. The last thing we need is a war with a nuclear power.

      • So… rolling over to expose your soft underbelly is your preference?

        • Thaumaturgist

          No. Not rolling over. We respond quietly. We don’t start a “Guns of August” scenario which easily could get out of hand.

    • “Some lawmakers have argued that the new Trump administration needs to impose further penalties on Russia for the intrusions. ”

      Isn’t that just adorable.

  • Truck Fump

    YEMENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!1!1!!1!!11!

    • Crystalclear12

      Bless you. Need a tissue?

  • Thaumaturgist

    If what was on the Yemeni laptops was Order of Battle intelligence, I suspect they already had harvested that through SigInt. Which means, if that’s all they got, they didn’t get anything they didn’t already know.

    • shivaskeeper

      Possibly confirmation? That would be the best possible spin of that. Multiple sources to verify with.

      • Thaumaturgist

        Spooks spend all day confirming and reconfirming that stuff and mapping who talks to whom. Impossible they didn’t already know that stuff.

        • shivaskeeper

          It was standard SOP for us in OIF/OEF. If you can recover anything that might be usable or confirming data, you grab it. Paper, electronic, damaged, it didn’t matter. I see no reason why that would have changed. .

  • boyblue122

    TBH, Not sure what else Mattis is supposed to say on live TV to a widow who is balling her eyes out

    “The mission was a complete failure. Sorry for your loss”

  • SullivanSt

    I’d really love to see someone pin Trump down on whether he thinks the 8 members of Delta Force who were killed during Operation Eagle Claw were heroic, or whether the mission failed, since apparently he’s ruling out that both are possible simultaneously.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    Now I’m wondering when they’re gonna tell us that the real good news about the raid was that they all stayed at the Holiday Inn…

    • Peggy Ryan

      And switched to Geico.

      • puredog

        Beat me to it.

  • Martini Ambassador

    Hey, you know what’s fun? Deflecting any attention away from this failure and unnecessary loss of lives to blame Democrats for being unpatriotic. To wit: Did Democrats Refuse to Stand for a Navy SEAL’s Widow?

    • cmd resistor

      My brother posted two versions of the HORRIBLE DEMS stories on FB. I figured they were faked somehow but nice to have it all laid out in case he posts another one.

  • Mavenmaven

    The most important thing is that Trump was out partying while the raid was happening instead of being in the situation room.

    • Roadstergal

      Hey, you know who else wasn’t out partying and was instead in the situation room during an important raid?

      • janecita
        • Roadstergal

          Those were the ones that came to mind!

        • Sardonicuss

          Actually, they are all tweeting about SNL under the table.

          • Roadstergal

            Their daughters’ clothing lines.

          • janecita

            And according to wingnuts, Obama wasn’t even there, that picture is photoshopped. God, I fucking hate wingnuts!!!!

        • I’m fairly sure that we established at the time that that was photoshopped, at least I kept hearing that from strangely unhinged lunatics, so it must be true.

      • JohnBull

        Stalin was in a subway station hiding when the Germans started bombing Moscow.
        That station still gives me the creeps.

    • boyblue122

      Thats what the weak, failing NYTimes and the rest of the librull media wants you to think

  • Michael R

    Significant intelligence ?

    Did you look in Al Cpaone’s vault ?

    https://s7.postimg.org/kg11h6aez/al_capones_vault.jpg

    • Thaumaturgist

      It’s like the pyramids. Al used it to store grain. Grain was looted during the Depression.

    • Wild Cat

      I’d like to have seen Geraldo play baseball with Al Capone . . .

      • FlownΩver

        You almost need “votes” with that image, don’t you?

  • shaar dula

    lets turn this to something useful. a pool for wonkette shall we have? i will match anybody’s bet on they all all have been lying with my own hard earned 10 bucks for wonkette.

  • Jamoche

    People in states that opted out of ACA stuff more likely to get stuck with medical debt
    https://consumerist.com/2017/03/02/people-in-southern-states-more-likely-to-be-saddled-with-medical-debt/#more-10270710

    California, at third lowest, says “fuck you” to the Republicans.

  • Crystalclear12

    Well, I think for the Trump administration this is as close as they are going to get to success.

  • Daniel Hooper

    So they changed what the purpose of the mission was after it had already been completed. That’s not failure; that’s redefined objectives!…

    …That’s what all the successful missions do, right?…

    • laughingnome

      Re-purposing.

    • boyblue122

      the mission’s clear objective was to kill a bunch of innocent civilians and get permanently booted out of Yemen

      • clubseal

        We’ve been murdering Yemenis with drones for years, so I doubt this will get us booted out.

        • boyblue122

          Pretty sure Yemen already said we arent allowed back

          • magyar of infinite power

            As if we care

    • FlownΩver

      In the fine tradition of painting a circle around the bullet hole on the rifle range.

    • clubseal

      And that, little Billy, is how “Operation Iraqi Freedom” was born.

  • Bill D. Burger

    ot_but___Sessions may soon be toast. Looks like the White House is going by the Flynn playbook:
    He didn’t tell us. We didn’t know. So….Dishonest media, crooked media___YOU have destroyed a great man. He’s out. Fuck off Jeffy.

    [WASHINGTON — The White House didn’t know that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had twice met with the Russian ambassador during the presidential campaign until the story broke Wednesday night, a White House official said.

    The Washington Post reported Wednesday that Sessions, while a senator campaigning for Donald Trump last year, met with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak even as the Russian government was engaged in a propaganda campaign to influence the presidential election.]

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/what-white-house-knew-about-jeff-sessions-meetings-with-russian-ambassador/98632654/

    • Lefty Frizzell

      Wow! Then it should be pretty much all over. You can’t fire the AG and your top security advisor for talking to Russia amid allegations that you’re talking to Russia and expect everybody in media and intel to just stop picking at that thread.

      I say “should be”, because no matter how low I place that fucking bar, America just keeps tripping over it.

    • boyblue122

      Manfort, Sessions, Carter Paige, Flynn, etc, etc all worked w/o knowledge of the Drumpf Team. right, right

    • Crystalclear12

      Thunk. . .thunk and the wheels on the bus go ’round and ’round.

    • snark-lurker

      so…if you get caught treasoning, all yuh gotta do is resign to avoid any punishment?

      • OrG

        IOKIYAR againagain

        • snark-lurker

          yep, but is there no limit? how totally FUCKED UP can they be & still go free?

          • Apparently not. I mean, the last one that actually faced any punishment was Scooter, and he was pardoned tootsweet!

          • Lefty Frizzell

            There is one limit and one limit only: will I get primaried from the right?

            Short of that nobody will vote to prosecute anybody for anything. They will cover up and excuse anything, will turn a blind eye to any amount of corruption, incompetence, malpractice, torture or treason.

            Bearing the rightwing base in mind – there is no limit.

    • boyblue122

      also, Drumpf’s secretary of commerce has deep ties to the Russian mob according to Gary Kasparov

    • It seems that the White House does not know a great many things. I am entirely unsurprised by that.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    If I had a nickel for all the lies told by this administration, I’d have all the nickels.

    • clubseal

      Nickels are practically pennies. Sad.

      • proudgrampa

        Yeah. Ya gotta think BIG! Dimes or GTFO!

  • jesuswasablack

    “evidence continues to emerge that the raid itself was badly planned and executed”
    That’s pretty much a given. I know people in this country love to wave the flag and suggest all our military men and womens are bright shiny heroes but it just aint true. I was in the ARMY and I have to say I had never before and have not since been involved in an organization that actually excelled at being incompetent. Most of them really have nowhere else to go!
    http://orig05.deviantart.net/0ab5/f/2014/219/6/e/military_fail_by_a_mad_russian_pony-d7sutp3.jpg

    • jowgajen

      It’s a sick and twisted sort of jobs program.

      • Sardonicuss

        Republican military planning:
        1. Destroy the economy so all the cannon fodder has to join the army or starve.
        2.Start an unnecessary war to bleed off the excess population of poors and distract the rubes.
        3.????
        4. Profit.
        * Funnel bloated weapons programs to key states should be in there somewhere.

        • JohnBull

          Well, they’re sure as hell aren’t going into education. Collective bargaining “overhauls” have pretty much guaranteed teachers will never get a pay raise until they retire–about the time the state raids their pensions.

          • Sardonicuss

            Can’t have the cannon fodder all educated and thinkin too much. Distracts them from the mission.

          • Raan

            We need more Gordon Freemans and less HECU grunts.

        • shivaskeeper

          You added an extra 3rd step there. It’s not needed.

          • Sardonicuss

            The last time that was: Inexplicably be get elected to a second term…?

    • laughingnome

      So that’s how they make tanks.

    • Bill D. Burger

      Jeffy Sessions’ tank. He’s going to need it to get back to Alabammy’!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1oHSeorbtk

      • The Wanderer

        I’d love to build my very own copy of the Renault FT-17. It’d be great for irritating the neighbors.

      • I seriously need one of these.

    • The Wanderer

      When one AFV loves another AFV very much . . .

      • shaar dula

        not that there is anything wrong with that.

        • The Wanderer

          Nothing at all.

    • snark-lurker

      is that doggie style or butt sex that right there?

      • The Wanderer

        The main gun’s in the wrong position for surprise butt sex.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          they’re dancing cheek to cheek…

          • snark-lurker

            Twanking

        • snark-lurker

          also too for doggie-style…oh oh oh i know wut that is!: that iz TWERKING!

          • The Wanderer

            Or the armored vehicle equivalent of canine butt-sniffing.

    • Crank Tango

      Aww, they’re making baby tanks! Don’t try to interrupt them.

    • shivaskeeper

      And that’s what it takes to get a tanker to put his boots on the actual ground.

    • Thaumaturgist

      One of the uses of war is that war sucks all the money out of the economy, delaying social welfare programs until the end of the war. One of the uses of Empire in Britain was that whenever the pressure for social welfare got too heavy, they had a rebellion in hand, in one colony or another, which, if left unanswered, would have threatened the stability of the Empire.

    • Pilotshark

      oh when the tanks go humming on, Oh when the tanks go humming along.

      notice the one on top, Hotel 69 fitting. :-)

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      Those two drivers now live together and raise Alpaca in Montana…

  • Blueb4sunrise

    Cathcart.

  • Ms.MLG on Maui

    I thought we all knew by now if his anus-mouth is open, he’s eating well-done steak with ketchup or lying.

    • Anna Rompage

      I’m not sure which is more horrifying…

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        I can live with him spending the rest of his life in obscurity eating ruined steaks…

        • I don’t think jail will give him the choice of how to ruin his meat.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            Ruin his meat in jail- I’d be OK with that…

          • magyar of infinite power

            Arpaio’s spoiled bologna? That that any way you choose.

          • Crank Tango

            Oh he can pound away at it all day long in there.

        • Pisto75666

          With ketchup.

        • Crank Tango

          …Or trying to make a weapon out of a toothbrush…

  • proudgrampa

    So. I wonder where the propensity to lie in this administration comes from?

    • snark-lurker

      from the top

    • Crank Tango

      Nobama!

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Hitler?

    • Raan

      From within.

    • magyar of infinite power

      Working in the private sector

    • georgiaburning

      business school?

      • proudgrampa

        BINGO!!!

      • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

        I am compelled to point out that the Orange Lying Oaf has never been anywhere near a business school. He went to Fordham, then transferred to U.Penn, where he took real estate courses, which are offered in the division of the school called “Wharton College.” He never attended the Wharton School of Business. It’s like me saying I’m a graduate of Harvard Law School because I walked by it that one time, or that my degree in Music from U.C. Berkeley makes me a neuroscientist because the Music major is offered through the “College of Letters and Science.”

        • wide_stance_hubby

          I grew up near Johns Hopkins University, so I can do most any surgery and get published at the same time.

    • Pisto75666

      INSIDE THE HOUSE! THE LIES ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      A flabby orange narcissistic sociopath with a dead Otter strapped to it’s head?

    • BadKitty904

      Personal inadequacy?

    • Ricky Gay

      exhaling

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      Because daddy never loved them?

      • proudgrampa

        I think this is disturbingly close to the truth…

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Uncorrected Personality Traits?

    • Skaarphy

      I’m wondering that too, seriously. It seems to be their one common feature: elbow deep in lies and corruption, corruption and lies.

  • OneYieldRegular

    I’m going to try this approach with my boss during my next review. I’ll explain to her that although it appears my work has been rather a clusterf*ck during the past year, I fully expected to create important new initiatives and finish several critical projects. I can’t name them, nor can I reveal the valuable information I obtained that may prevent another clusterf*ck of a work year.

    • shaar dula

      sounds like a (republican) plan.

    • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

      Also don’t forget to slightly sedate yourself, wear a better fitting suit, and read off a teleprompter.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Don’t go by what’s in my browser history, go by what’s in my heart.

  • JohnBull

    I’m heading over to Gateway Pundit and see how many douches are commenting on the whereabouts of Hillary’s emails.

    • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

      And how she MURDERED four people with her own hands by ordering that raid on Benghazi, which she did

  • shaar dula

    jeff sessions. use it in a sentence.

    i had a jeff session with the missus in the morning.

    i have had many jeff sessions.

    • Ms.MLG on Maui

      Hand me that gas can, Jeff Sessions, this cross ain’t gonna burn itself.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Don’t crush that elf, hand me the pliers!

        • puredog

          All the upfists.

    • Ricky Gay

      Sorry to hear that. (unless you are into that kind of thing – no judge!)

      • shaar dula

        unfortunately yes

    • Hairstrike Alpha

      Let’s send Jeff Sessions over to tell Vladimir we need more hacking. Terrible. Very terrible.

    • snark-lurker

      ewww

    • Raan

      Arin and Dan had a Jeff session to recharge their JO crystals.

    • georgiaburning

      Get the mop, Carl. Somebody had a jeff session all over the floor in the mens room.

      • CatCafe #ShePurrsisted

        You literally beat me by seconds–I was just about to post more or less the same thing.

        • georgiaburning

          jinx!

    • Skaarphy

      Jeff Sessions’ jam sessions with Ted Nugent are the stuff of legends!

      • shaar dula

        ooh as noun. even more edgy.

  • Carpe Vagenda
    • msanthropesmr

      Fuck that Quisling cilliza. What a tool

      • Carpe Vagenda

        I don’t think he’s a quisling. I think he’s on the other side.

    • boyblue122

      That fawning lasted less than 24 hrs

  • Men who beat on their chests and flex their muscles to demonstrate their alleged manhood are clowns.

    Men who sacrifice other human beings to do so are criminals.

  • magyar of infinite power

    Sean Spicer’s tell is crinkly eyes

    • TJ Barke

      I thought it was when he opened his mouth…

  • bookish

    statesatrisk.org

    America’s preparedness report card for climate change, state by state.

    http://reportcard.statesatrisk.org/

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    If Hillary had authorized it wingnuts would have fired Owen’s corpse at the oval office with a catapult whilst the GOP impeached her.

  • wide_stance_hubby

    Are they giving out gold stars for hypocrisy now?

    • BadKitty904

      The GOP would be a bright, shiny galaxy, then.

  • jowgajen

    So how long until we impeach this guy and get our first LGBQTI President?

    • Raan

      George Takei 2020.

      • jowgajen

        I meant Pence, but sure.

        • wide_stance_hubby

          We stripped him of all his medals and threw him back over the fence.

    • Thiazin Red

      We possibly already did with Buchanan.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      What’s the ” I ” stand for again?

      • Crank Tango

        Indiana.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Sure it’s not Iowa?

          • snark-lurker

            yoo too

        • snark-lurker

          oh FFS

      • jowgajen

        Intersex, I considered adding the A for Asexual. As a lesbian, I’d be happy if we just shortened all of this to queer or even just gay but I’ve been outvoted.

        • snark-lurker

          queer is okay here, i guess,

        • wide_stance_hubby

          I’ve never been comfortable with the ever-expanding acronym, because it just seems like catch-all sex freak categorizing. “Yeah, all you people who aren’t 100% heterosexual, get in line over there, you all seem very similar to us.”

          • Lance Thrustwell

            I always kinda liked HST’s (admittedly loose) concept of the word “freak.” It basically boils down to anyone who’s nonconforming, does their own thing, or at least enjoys the company of such people. Squares and freaks, basically. Almost anyone who’s worth knowing would be in the latter category.

            But ultimately, there is of course a problem with all labels.

  • Raan

    I have suddenly start associating Sean Spicer with the phrase “spicy buttholes”.

    Sean Spicer is the spiciest buthole.

  • azeyote

    terms like hero sure get a lot of play with a culture that wages never ending war – pride instead of shame – that’s a good sales pitch – and let’s not even pretend why so many people hate the U.S for forcing it’s will upon on the rest of the world –

  • Laffing Crow

    I guess Trump’s a lot nicer to the bereaved families of fallen American soldiers who aren’t MooseLambs named Khan. He doesn’t badmouth them. He just cynically uses them for political cover.

    • Ms.MLG on Maui

      I was just wondering how this would have played out had Owens been Moozlun.

      • boyblue122

        Drumpf wouldnt have brought any of the soldier’s family there. He would have been very vague and said he was sorry about any lives lost during the raid. No specific names mentioned

      • Lord Jim

        He’d have been blamed for the failure of the mission – including his own death, natch.

    • snark-lurker

      that POPS has already demon’strated how that werkx

    • cmd resistor

      Also, too, since he already had his grieving widow thing set up (he apparently asked her the DAY AFTER the husband died but she didn’t agree right away), he probably figured maybe not a great idea to badmouth the dad yet. But that day will come.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Skaarphy

    “… according to “our Great General Mattis,” which is not a real military rank.”

    It is so, lying liberal media! http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Great_General_(Civ5)

    • The Wanderer

      I heard that line and couldn’t help but think of Lotha von Trotha, who styled himself a “great general.”

  • bookish

    The Resistance‏ @ActualEPAFacts
    If you are part of a local organization that may be interested in coming to DC for the #MarchTowardsMidterms, follow and reply. We’ll DM you

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Trump: “I have full confidence in my Attorney General.”
    Sessions: “Uh oh.”

  • lucidamente

    “Badly Planned and Executed” will be engraved on Trump’s tombstone.

    • anon_the_great

      …which will be quickly eroded away from the massive amounts of urine sprayed there upon by friends and foes alike.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Just another day doin’ the people’s work.

  • bookish

    List of lawmakers calling for Session’s recusal, resignation.

    http://nbcnews.to/2mj4Coc

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Qlüstërfücque.

    • shaar dula

      fancy for cluster fucked we all are?

  • MynameisBlarney
  • shaar dula

    untergropenfuhrer.

    i just had to show off my new found americanized german. it’s like garglin & neti. you just need to do it.

    • snark-lurker

      i could nut touch that to save my life

      • shaar dula

        close your nose & do it.

        • snark-lurker

          i tried & just could nut do *wimper simper wimper*

          • shaar dula

            aah so you have a bone spur. why didn’t you say so in the first place. totally excused.

  • bookish

    Timeline of Trump Russia crisis.

    http://nbcnews.to/2m0vw1j

  • anon_the_great

    Dr. Joseph-Ignace Guillotin.
    Paging Dr. Guillotin.
    White courtesy phone, Washington Mall.
    Paging Dr. Guillotin.

  • bookish

    http://nbcnews.to/2mPXpIH

    On Thursday morning, members of Congress stood with transgender community advocates to announce opposition to the Trump administration’s stance on trans rights.

    Members of the Congressional LGBT Equality Caucus, alongside representatives from national nonprofits, spoke out against the Justice and Education Departments’ recent decision to rescind guidance regarding transgender students and announced that they were relaunching a bipartisan task force on trans rights.

    “The relaunch of the Transgender Equality Task Force comes at a critical time,” LGBT Equality Caucus Co-Chair Rep. Jared Polis said at a press conference. “While the Trump administration has previously said they will support, or even ‘fight’ for the LGBTQ community, once again their words are contrary to their actions.”

  • Idiokraticdrumpfenjugend
    • Skaarphy

      Man, that’s cynical. Upvoted because yeah, but … ugh.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Since we could all use a little humanity.Leave it to the kids to show us how it’s done.

  • anon_the_great

    Let’s have a war!
    Sell the rights to the networks!
    Let’s have a war!
    Let our wallets get fat like last time!
    Let’s have a war!
    Give guns to the queers!
    Let’s have a war!
    The enemy’s within!

    There’s too many of us…

  • magyar of infinite power

    Trump just called the USS Ford hat a consolation prize (not as great as his MAGA hat). Douchebag.

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