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DiscussionWarning, Sony shill site "Dualshockers" will give Breath of the Wild a low score (self.zelda)

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From their Editor in Chief:

"I played Zelda on both Switch and Wii U several times, and extensively.

Truth is, it looks extremely antiquated, low resolution shows both in models and textures, effects are poor, and make textures and environments look even flatter. and when played on a TV frame rate is really bad due to the hardware struggling with the higher resolution. On top of that, the lack of hardware resources is also felt in gameplay elements, like AI for instance.

Simply enough, after playing today's best open world games, playing Zelda feels like a massive step back in basically every aspect.

After playing Horizon: Zero Dawn, Zelda feels extremely antiquated. Many will ignore it because it's named Zelda, and nostalgia will put some super-thick rose-tinted glasses on their nose, but that's simply how it is.

And yes, while Pine isn't even a super-advanced game, there are multiple aspects of its visual presentation that easily surpass Zelda, which is fairly sad, considering the massive difference in budget and resources.

Not everyone will give Zelda a pass because it's Zelda."

This is a site that gave Horizon a perfect score (which is fair) but.....No Man's Sky and The Order an 8.5? I don't know why Nintendo gave this company a review copy but it will be factored into the metacritic score.

Edit: What up r/subredditdrama.

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[–]ShitKicker96 170 ポイント171 ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's unfortunate because horizon is actually supposed to be a great game, and I'm sure some aspects of it will be better than Zelda... And in fact it's okay to prefer that game over breath of the wild.

This however reads like someone is mad that his favourite system's new exclusive has to share the spotlight with another game. Lol amateur hour much?

[–]THABeardedDude 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah i got horizon as well but this guy sounds super salty

[–]cbfw86 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I read a review somewhere which said that the arc of the arrows in BotW makes Horizon's bow feel like a bland low tech sniper rifle.

[–]SimplisticBiscuit 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yep. What I've heard is that BotW makes hzd feel really bland and simplistic by comparison.

[–]Teeth_Whitener 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, Horizon is supposed to be good, but this douche has to take a dump all over Zelda because not as many people will play Horizon because of Zelda.

[–]Jepacor 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Horizon is apparently super good, fortunately there's not that much overlap between a PS4 exclusive and a Nintendo exclusive so the two titles shouldn't overshadow one another.

[–]stormhunter1 116 ポイント117 ポイント  (4子コメント)

When you give no man's sky that score, you lose all credibility

[–]Deathisrebirth 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Might as well say that Mighty No°9 is a perfect Megaman clone.

[–]Ramaloke 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Man even knowing that this was sarcasm I still wanted to hit that down vote LOL.

[–]Deathisrebirth 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's cool. I would down vote myself too.

[–]cantchoosenames 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Many will ignore it because it's named Zelda, and nostalgia will put some super-thick rose-tinted glasses on their nose, but that's simply how it is."

Funny because I've seen multiple people who never played Zelda planning to get Breath of the Wild

[–]SilverShako 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, a lot of my friends who aren't really Zelda fans(I think the only Zelda game my best friend ever played was Hyrule Warriors when he came over my house that one time) are buying a Switch(for Breath and a few other games) to play it(or just buying it for the Wii U like I am)

[–]HCPmain 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Add me to that list. Hell, I preordered the Switch to ensure I could get the best version of it.

[–]Delslayer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair though, it's hard to say anyone will be able to look at this game objectively. For those of us who grew up on this series and continue to love it, as the next step in the series BoTW potentially represents what many have wanted for years. While many will fall in love with the game and likely hold it in their hearts as the greatest of all time, many will be disappointed with it and both sides will discredit the other's view as being blinded by nostalgia or unfairly judged based upon unrealistic expectations fueled by pre-launch overhyping.

While the article is super biased and definitely places too much emphasis on the technical aspects of the game, I feel like that sentence does a pretty good job of describing biase on the opposite end of the spectrum.

[–]Coxy100 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Add me as well. The only Nintendo console I've ever owned is the N64. On that I only owned 3 games. I've never been a Nintendo fan. However the Wii U had some great couch co op games (from watching on youtube :) ) and I intend to get a Nintendo console to play games with my daughter. The Switch looks great - and Zelda looks beautiful from the gameplay I've seen.

[–]dmmarck 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (46子コメント)

The "step back" comment runs antithetical to literally everything I've read about the game from those who have played it, even for 10-15 minutes.

Would assume this comment is based largely in graphics and art direction, but who knows?

[–]Bitwit64 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (39子コメント)

Exactly. I've seen many people, including those from large game-review sites, say that Horizon seems simple compared to Breath of the Wild.

[–]Aederrex 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've seen quite a few previews that said that they gave Horizon a good score, but looking back at it after playing Zelda made it feel shallow.

[–]Reverencium 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Even Giant Bomb hinted at this in a podcast, and they've managed to remain extremely neutral and hype-free.

[–]Teeth_Whitener 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Pretty sure Giant Bomb gave the game a perfect score too.

[–]Reverencium 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is their full review out yet? Last time I checked in on them was Dan lauding the game with praise on the beastcast last week.

[–]Teeth_Whitener 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not for BotW. I was talking about Horizon. And yes, their review for Horizon is out, and it is a 10.

[–]Reverencium 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh yeah, that makes sense. I didn't mean to imply that they didn't like Horizon, they were pretty clear about loving both games a lot. Seemed like Dan preferred Zelda though, and spent some of his time with Horizon wishing he could play more Zelda.

[–]WowItsMichael 229 ポイント230 ポイント  (42子コメント)

You can actually taste the salt.

[–]cantchoosenames 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the salt Link is using to cook his meals

[–]Undying4n42k1 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (6子コメント)

On top of that, the lack of hardware resources is also felt in gameplay elements, like AI for instance.

U wot m8? Other previewers are praising the AI! We've seen gameplay of it!

[–]conzom11 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's a pretty thinly veiled shot at the switch itself. I've read reviews that have criticized AI, but I don't think I've ever seen a reviewer link it back to hardware limitations, usually they just stick to the effectiveness of the game itself

[–]vendilion 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It also betrays that this guy is either a lying shill or doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Hardware resources have absolutely no factor in how good the AI is, good AI is entirely about how it's designed, it would have an infinitesimal impact on performance even at a complex level.

[–]LazoW 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Progammer here.

A true AI would take lots of resources because it would have to be able to learn what to do by itself. Obviously, it not the case for a video game AI.

What we call AI is usually a scripted thing. Like "how do I react when this happens". If the script is simple, ther will be, I don't know, one or two situations and it won't take any power to be processed by the machine.

If the script is compex, however, it could lead to a great amount of situations like "I don't have any weapon, what do I do ? Do I throw rocks ? Do I take my arm ? Do I flee ?" This takes processing power because it has to check every situation to choose wich one is the better for it.

But you're right in a way. If the AI is well designed, this doesn't take to much power.

[–]PlayMp1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also a hardware limitation when you start dealing with large numbers of AI. Stuff like pathfinding for a thousand ships in Sins of a Solar Empire bogs down even a modern system almost a decade later.

[–]Knorssman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Computer science major here. If a company really wanted to make fancy AI they could do it and it would take lots of resources and good hardware to run quickly. But AI is never given that kind of effort compared to the graphics

[–]Teeth_Whitener 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doesn't matter, apparently. Some people think the AI is simplistic and while "good for a Zelda game" is nothing special. Just enjoy the game and ignore the haters, because they are there, even in this sub.

[–]shitpostlord4321 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The Order 1886? That piece of shit 60$ game that I beat in around 4 hours?

[–]Deathisrebirth 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I regret even being hyped about that game.

[–]cbfw86 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But it looked extremely not-antiquated, high resolution showed both in models and textures, effects weren't poor, and make textures and environments look even less flatter. and when played on a TV frame rate it was really good due to the hardware not struggling with the higher resolution.

[–]Deathisrebirth 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Graphics don't make the game.

[–]marsgreekgod 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That would be the one yes. I hear it's not bad but not nearly worth the price.

[–]Broteezy 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I got it for $5 and enjoyed it but I wouldn't pay more than like $15...

[–]SpoZo91 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I rented it for 5 bucks and was disappointed

[–]donutshoot 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Many will ignore it because it's named Zelda, and nostalgia will put some super-thick rose-tinted glasses on their nose, but that's simply how it is.

that sounds like every Sony fanboy ever

[–]THABeardedDude 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (6子コメント)

As a human who has had every Sony console we aren't all like this :(

[–]mrdinosaur 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Console fanaticism makes no sense to me. Every platform has its own share of great games...and it even changes each generation. It's like only watching movies from one studio and poo-pooing the other studios.

Look, if you're not into sports, don't try and bring sports into art.

[–]Darkunov 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really. That analogy would make sense if you required a specific brand of TV to watch Hollywood movies and another to watch Marvel movies.

I'm not saying console fanaticism makes any sense, though.

[–]mrdinosaur 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah good point. Maybe there in lies the rub.

[–]bigpig1054 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean I understood it back in the day when there were Sega fanboys and Nintendo fanboys. That was before video games were a mainstream big business industry.

With Sony and especially Microsoft in the picture the industry is not the same. There used to be a time when I would never own a non Nintendo system. First one I got was a dreamcast.

Now I've gotten a 360 and One to go with every Nintendo console. But I'll never buy a Sony machine.

Those bastards.

[–]donutshoot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, the only Sony console I didn't own was the two portables but most Sony fanboys I know all use this argument. Xbox fanboys >>>>

:P

[–]SploonTheDude 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not a fanatic, I'm happy you aren't.

[–]cbfw86 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All it was missing was the punchy, 'My toy is more powerful than yours,' at the end.

[–]Darkunov 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm unsure how thick a pair of rose-tinted glasses can be when playing a new game with an entirely new formula for the first time can be.

[–]vendilion 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The only Zelda game that ever got a pass for being Zelda was Skyward Sword, and the community turned on it very quickly.

There's a goddamn reason this series has the legacy it does.

[–]SimplisticBiscuit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, it's not at all because Zelda is one of the most influential and consistently great franchises in gaming.

[–]anonymous1987 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And getting angry at someone saying something negative about Zelda sounds like every Nintendo fanboy ever, lets hope gamestop doesn't give another Zelda a 8.8.

[–]Bitwit64 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't say I didn't expect this; hopefully every other site gives Breath of the Wild a good score to compensate.

[–]MoonlightQueen 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hopefully no one will listen to this BS review. If they do, they're missing out on a good game.

[–]SimplisticBiscuit 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope/think people will be able to discern more objective reviews from ones as biased as this.

There are some dumb people out there, though.

[–]Pananar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Objective reviews don't exist per definition dude.

[–]karelKase 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Herp durr how would you know? It's not out yet! /s

[–]conzom11 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, I must withhold judgement about BotW until I have played it so I will take the review at face value until then. But HOW does any person who has played video games for more than 10 minutes in their life give The Order 1886 an 8.5?? Its redeeming qualities are "graphics" and "the disc fits in the PS4 disc slot"

[–]SerPlumtree 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man that disc fit so well though. I didn't have to shave it down or anything. And those graphics!.. I could certainly look at them for a few minutes without hating myself.

[–]qwer1239 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (8子コメント)

By the way, the guy who said this also said he isn't reviewing zelda (instead another editor who actually likes zelda more will do so)

http://www.dualshockers.com/2017/02/25/pine-launches-steam-greenlight-gets-beautiful-new-trailer/

In the comments

[–]dmmarck 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I also saw elsewhere him saying he's played it more than 20 minutes but not to review standards, whatever that means (I honestly don't know).

[–]qwer1239 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

My point is that OP's title is misleading, this guys opinion may have no affect at all on their review

[–]dmmarck 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Based on the DS'ers dude's comment, he's not reviewing and they're against "troll reviews," so I think you're right.

[–]K-LAWN[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Editor in Chief, the dude I quoted, still has final say. Let's hope he lets the reviewer give an honest score.

[–]Vameq 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This exactly. It sounds like if he's Editor in Chief he might not be happy with the reviewer's appraisal if he feels that he's giving it a pass or ignoring the things HE (the Editor) thinks are downsides to it. He also might be tempted to make/request changes if he feels like it undermines their previous reviews and comments (It'll make them look stupid if they publicly say things like this, then in their review say that BotW is way better than Horizon ZD)

[–]LazoW 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The good thing is that no one seems to agree with him in the comments.

And btw Pine looks like shit.

[–]TSmasher1000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's good to hear. The only thing I want is a fair review for this game. From what I've seen based on preview videos and other things most of my worries from before were unfounded and this game is looking amazing. I'm sure that if reviewed fairly it'll score extremely high because it actually looks that good.

[–]mtibo62 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh gosh. I just looked up gameplay of the game Pine they were talking about and its just sad that they would even dare compare Zelda to that game.

[–]conzom11 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't wanna hate on that game cuz it looks interesting. But its objectively no where near as good looking graphically as BotW, animations are miles off. I don't understand that analysis whatsoever

[–]Teeth_Whitener 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, the concept sounds cool, but that was just a stupid thing to say by the reviewer. Apparently the game is pre-alpha, so how could you even compare the animations to a fully developed game? Also, Pine clearly has some Zelda (even BotW) influence. So saying "Hey, this game is better than Zelda" is ridiculous. Their review is bad and they should feel bad.

[–]Narondo 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think my biggest problem with this preview is not that he dislikes the game, but that he suggests that the only reason people like it is because its Zelda. I think its fine if he doesn't like the game for various reasons, but saying that people only enjoy BoTW because of its series is basically like saying that people are not smart enough to form real opinions.

[–]LazoW 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also he totally omitted all the people who never played any Zelda games and don't care about the series but will still buy a Switch for this game, because it looks that good.

[–]BoxEnthusiast 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am what I consider a "Great Pretender" when it comes to the Zelda series. I have played every single game in the series outside of Skyward Sword, and you know what? I've never completed a single one. Not once. I've never even reached the Master Sword in a Link to the Past, and I've been playing that game nearly 20 years. On and off of course.

And even -I- am buying a Switch and BotW. It looks impressive in every way, technical to otherwise.

This guy attacked Zelda, and it's fans, because he had nothing else to stand on. There was no platform for this bad review other than "lol fanboys/fangirls". Terrible journalism.

[–]vendilion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's really easy to read between the lines here, if you have to attack others' opinions to support your own, your own opinion really isn't standing by itself.

I mean if there's a negative review to be had of the game sure, but this guy's motives and bias are blatant.

[–]locke_5 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

FAKE NEWS

[–]Raynre 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have two active writers who have reviewed Zelda games in the past. One of them seems to be a dedicated Nintendo reviewer, if not outright fan of the series. Both seem to have reviewed past game fairly.

Does the senior editor puck one of these two supposedly conpetant individuals to write the review? No, the man who almost exclusively reviews Sony games decides he has a bone to pick and does it himself.

Meanwhile, this guy gave Horizon: Zero Dawn a "10/10, best game of all time" review score.

"Shill" doesn't even begin to describe this jackass.

[–]robbo711 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems to go out of his way to bash BOTW. I would have been concerned had he not been so over the top.

[–]Nan0machines 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think many of us were looking for Dualshocker's opinion on the game lol

[–]Teeth_Whitener 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the reason people are upset is that it will falsely lower the the Metacritic score of BotW because the guy is a shill. Fortunately, he doesn't seem to be the one reviewing.

[–]facetheground 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the only thing they can come up with is that the graphics look poor (even making lies about it) and calling the main freaking innovation what everyone is praising to hell a step back you know that they are desperate to protect their 4k playable movie :D

[–]Teeth_Whitener 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently, this dude gave The Order: 1886 an 8.5. Never played it so I can't judge it, but by all accounts (professional and user reviews) the game sucked.

[–]usernumber36 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This has literally no comments on the game.

his is a prime example of my pet hate in gaming: judging games on the graphics. IF YOU'RE IN IT JUST FOR GRAPHICS, WATCH A MOVIE. I'm here to play games, challenge myself and have a boatload of fun.

[–]Macho407 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gooooood, let the hate flow through you.. ~ Emperor P.

[–]Solanin7889 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The opinion of the dualshocker "editor" was the complete opposite of EVERY fucking body else who has played it. Lol. What a turd.

[–]vendilion 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the lack of hardware resources is also felt in gameplay elements, like AI for instance

As someone who has actually programmed AI, I feel like crying.

[–]supertrunks 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why can't we just like both games? This guy included. I love my PS4, but I also love my wii u and 3ds.

[–]LazoW 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I like my PS4 very much but I would not say I love it. Our relationship is not there yet.

[–]supertrunks 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love it relative to it being a games console. Not the same thing as how I love my girlfriend or family.

[–]LazoW 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think that deserved a serious answer.

[–]supertrunks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, it's been a long day.

[–]Yeoubie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know you probably didn't intend it, but that last sentence sounds like a reference to 10 Things I Hate About You. Made me chuckle

[–]supertrunks 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely didn't intend it, I've never seen the movie haha.

[–]CrumpledDickSkin 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Why do them not enjoying the game make them a shill? Maybe the reviewer simply has different tastes than you do. Zelda is going to do well regardless.

[–]TRUemployeeperson 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (7子コメント)

"Dualshockers". They sound like big nintendo fans.

[–]MoonlightQueen 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think they could be up Sony's ass any more than they already are, lol.

[–]ericdoesntknow99 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol being an xbox/nintendo fan, I've got some pitchforks and torches who needs a pair

[–]unique- 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah they hate Nintendo I mean just look at these nintendo exclusives they rated.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/10/23/review-bayonetta-2-an-alluring-adventure-paired-with-gorgeous-gameplay/

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/05/15/review-mario-kart-8-comes-in-first-place-even-when-hit-by-red-and-blue-shells/

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/11/19/review-super-mario-3d-world-the-best-of-both-wiis/

[–]Prawph 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gets your facts outta here. Nobody wants them. Can't you see that fanboys are frothing and the brigading has begun.

[–]Teeth_Whitener 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone above said that they have two reviewers who seem genuinely unbiased and give unbiased reviews. But the guy who is reviewing Zelda is NOT one of them. He seems to have an axe to grind and except for maybe the issues on TV mode, the arguments aren't even arguments. They are just a guy saying "I won't give Zelda a pass because it's Zelda". That is literally a guy being a jerk just because he can be.

[–]SploonTheDude 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yet they couldn't keep their fanboyism in their pants this time, what happened?

[–]Pananar 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats like shitting on the various reviewers named Nintendo X for being biased.

Stop being so mad because someone doesn't share your opinion ffs.

[–]WowItsMichael 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Typically I would say that's fair, but an 8.5 to No Man's Sky is pretty telling of how that site operates. I went into No Man's Sky super positive and excited despite all the hate it was getting, but good God was that the most boring thing I've ever played. It was a baaad game.

[–]TerraTF 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Or maybe not everyone likes Zelda? Not everything needs to be a "shill conspiracy".

[–]palou 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He is fairly directly accusing anyone that does like the game of bias and poor judgment. If he is not ready to consider difference in taste, I don't see why we should give him that benefit.

[–]LazoW 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, but even if you dislike something it doesn't mean that you can say false shit about it, especially when your opion can influence a lot of people.

Oh wait..

[–]TerraTF 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What did he say that's false? The framerate does chug a bit when in television mode. The game does run at a lower resolution than normal. Maybe the only thing that can't be proven right now is the AI since very few people even have access to the game.

[–]Teeth_Whitener 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't say the game ran at a lower resolution than normal. He said, and I quote "The game looks extremely antiquated..." He basically said the game looks ugly, a sentiment shared by exaclty no reviewers who have played the game. He also said things like "playing Zelda feels like a massive step back in basically every aspect." Sure that is an opinion, but it sounds like some jerk is just giving it a bad review because no one else is. Like when the Washington Post gave Uncharted 4 a 4/10 when everyone else gave it great scores. In fact, he basically goes on to say that LATER IN THE REVIEW. "And yes, while Pine isn't even a super-advanced game, there are multiple aspects of its visual presentation that easily surpass Zelda, which is fairly sad, considering the massive difference in budget and resources. Not everyone will give Zelda a pass because it's Zelda." He bascially said, in more words, everyone else is giving Zelda heaps of praise, but not me! None of the things he criticized are core elements of the game and it looks as though he is trying to be a douche. Never mind that Pine isn't even finished and that it looks like it is borrowing heavily from Zelda. Forget that the animations are vastly inferior to those of BotW. The GRAPHICS, man. If you love graphics so much, PS4 isn't even the best option. I recommend getting a gaming PC.

Tl;dr: The guy isn't even making arguments. He is just saying that the game is ugly and the gameplay is dated without citing any specific examples of how this is the case.

[–]SploonTheDude 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Of course not, but the reasons they gave are atrocious.

[–]TerraTF 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What gives you the right to say that someone's opinions are bad because you don't like their reasons? Does that give me the right, if you were to say that LTTP is the greatest game of all time, for me to say that you're wrong because the game is too pixelly? That's why they're opinions in the first place because everyone has a different opinion.

[–]SploonTheDude 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But the thing is, to explain an opinion with objective facts like he is doing, they would have to be actual plausible facts.

If he had just said 'I don't like this game', then that would be an opinion, but he's trying to use extremely stupid arguments to validate it;This is extremely unprofessional and should have been done away with as soon as possible.

A review isn't opinions, it's taking facts from the game and attempting to rate it through these facts.

[–]Pananar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A review isn't opinions,

A review is only opinions. What the hell are you talking about.

[–]TerraTF 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He is using actual plausible facts to support why he doesn't like the game. The game does run at lower resolutions than your standard AAA game. The game does chug while in TV mode. The only fact we can't really back up is the AI being bad because of the hardware is because we haven't played it and haven't seen proof of it.

[–]SploonTheDude 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those are real problems, but saying the game is bad because of only these problems that most games have these days (Including the 10/10 Horizon ZD) is complete bullshit.

[–]drainX 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I really don't have a problem with someone giving the game a low score because of the low resolution or low poly count or whatever. If that is important to the reviewer then they should say so. It isn't important to me, but all reviews are subjective and everyone has different tastes.

[–]TerraTF 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Finally someone else reasonable in this thread. I wonder how many people even realize that the EiC likely won't be the person reviewing the game.

[–]Satterfieldd 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It will just make them look bitter and curmudgeonly. They shouldn't even bother.

[–]cbfw86 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They'll stick a massive spoiler in the first sentence and try and drag down the Meta-critic score.

[–]JoJoX200 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just one review. The guy really does sound salty, but ultimately, if they give the game a bad score and it ends up being the only one who does, that will be noticed and questioned.

If you use reviews to judge a game, it's best to cross-check between reviews. Because usually the points that correlate between them are the hard core of what the game really is, and the rest may vary depending on the reviewer's preferences and such. Subjectivity is always still a factor after all.

[–]Totheendofsin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean expecting Dualshockers to be unbiased towards this game is like expecting Nintendo Force or any other Nintendo fansite to be unbiased towards this game, it's not going to happen.

and honestly if you trust a review for an exclusive that comes from a site like them that wear their biases on their sleeve so openly, I don't know what to tell you

[–]SploonTheDude 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"It's bad because graphics aren't 4k and framerate isn't smooth 249fps.The actual gameplay?Nah, that doesn't matter it doesn't have realistic graphics and such isn't a good game, obviously."

The idiocy is so astounding.

[–]Pananar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Both framerate and graphics effects the gameplay.

[–]TyChris2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Framerate yes Graphics no

If breath of the wild looked like horizon it would be the exact same game.

[–]Pananar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It whould be the same game but it whould look a hell lot better.

[–]brandonisi 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Sony fanboys place graphics above all else, when it's actually one of the least important things when you're considering how good a game is.

Funny thing is, BotW is a lot easier on the eyes than the generic "realistic" graphics they seem to prefer.

Nintendo isn't afraid to think outside the box, including graphically. That's why their first party offerings are always superior. That's why my Wii U is used daily while my XBOX collects dust. Only PlayStation I ever owned was the original.

So salty.

[–]LazoW 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, he didn't criticize the artistical direction, he was only talking about technical criteria.

But I agree with you statement.

[–]Xerolh 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a very subjective opinion. It makes them fanboys if they like good graphics? People have different tastes.

[–]newhereok 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Such a bs statement: people shouldn't care about graphics, but our graphics are better anyway.

[–]vendilion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the thing that's really fucking irking me. Visuals in video games are hitting an asymptote, I really value visual design and art direction above something being goddamn photo-realistic. Everything I've seen of the game - literally every fucking thing - is gorgeous beyond all measure.

It's the reason people still love Wind Waker graphics. It will stand the test of time. The graphics are the one thing we can actually evaluate here and now and I think they're pretty fucking amazing.

[–]Pananar -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Nintendo isn't afraid to think outside the box, including graphically.

Good god I am so tired of this BS statement.

Nintendo NEVER think outside if the box. Adding some retarded gimmicks that noone likes (see controls for Star Fox Zero) isn't thinking outside the box, its being dumb.

The new Zelda is sorta innovative I guess but untill then every other game franchise they have has either been dead or stale as hell (how many New Super Mario Bros games do we need?)

[–]peteyboo 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (9子コメント)

(how many New Super Mario Bros games do we need?)

One per console (with one DLC game), much unlike some AAA franchises that release almost every year.

[–]silkenindiana 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You know, if you are going to focus on the tech side, ya, this game is really behind the times. But, to be completely fair, no one plays Zelda for the graphics.

[–]Prawph 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Said the million posters a day begging for information on the WiiU version and every single fanboy here recommending a Switch so you can play "the best version". Right, Zelda and Nintendo fans don't care about graphics *unless it's a Nintendo console. Then get the newest one for the best Nintendo graphics.

[–]Naiko32 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no one is recommending a Switch for the "best version" the fuck? you talking about?

[–]KryptoGuy95 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've literally heard no one say anything about a "best version"

[–]silkenindiana 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well people are going to care about a new consoles stats, ridiculous. Anyway, i am certainly 100% aware that this game is not a graphical powerhouse. I also don't care. I am a graphics whore btw, but Zelda is good regardless imo.

[–]Reverencium 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll give him resolution and framerate, sure. BotW does legitimately suffer there due to the switch's hardware. But AI? I've watched more than enough HZD videos to know that the enemies in that game make the guards from Assassin s Creed look like geniuses.

As a matter of fact, the only thing Zelda lacks that other open world games have is 1000 ugly, distracting map icons bogging the UI at all times.

[–]anonymous1987 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a matter of fact, the only thing Zelda lacks that other open world games have is 1000 ugly, distracting map icons bogging the UI at all times.

Good thing you can shut that off in Horizon.

[–]Reverencium 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad to hear that. Hoping it becomes a genre standard.

[–]Eric91 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a moron, it's hilarious how he talks pretty much purely about the graphics and nothing about gameplay.

Graphics don't make games good.

[–]LazoW 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

8.5 for The Order. Say no more.

Love the part about the AI though, when everyone know that it's the biggest flow in HZD.

[–]anonymous1987 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And if he thinks it's a huge flaw for Zelda after playing HZD what does that say about Zelda?

[–]LazoW 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Let me rephrase that: no one is complaining about the IA in any of the previews I saw (and I watch a lot of them), I saw frame-rate drops, yes, I saw things pop out, yes, but I didn't hear, nor read, anything about the AI being buggy, when every review I read about HZD points that out.

So yeah, I feel like he tries a lot to hate the game, just because it's not a PS4 game.

[–]anonymous1987 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe we should wait for reviews to come out, do we even have a idea of what they could or couldn't talk about with the previews?

[–]Cloukyo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Welp, there was bound to be at least a couple of contrarian reviews to bring the meta score down from 90-something to 80-something.

Need those clicks after all.

[–]anonymous1987 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah after all someone can't have a different opinion then you, it's gonna give Zelda a good score or it's not a legit review....

[–]Mishar5k 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you give no mans sky a good review then youre probably not even worth listening to.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was perfectly OK with the observations and the opinions.

Yes, you cannot compare the switch and the PS4 in graphics processing capacity. the PS4 will be more powerful... nothing new there..

I have seen the effects - they are not poor. They are absolutely gorgeous.

I have seen the textures - yeah, not stellar

BUT GIVING 8.5 TO NO MAN'S SKY?

BRING THE SALT

[–]unique- 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Holy fuck, OP it's okay for someone not to like a game you're looking forward to chill the hell out.

[–]Maenor_Haeronor 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a dedicated Zelda SubReddit what else were you expecting.

[–]unique- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a huge Zelda fan it's one of my favorite series has been since I was a little kid and played LTTP for the first time, I'm not gonna run and cry just because someone doesn't like it as much as me, just because this is a Zelda sub doesn't mean we should act like children.

[–]Maenor_Haeronor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you tell them that!

It's very difficult to say stuff like this without getting downvoted to hell.

[–]SploonTheDude 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course it, but the reasons he gave are atrocious.

[–]sime_vidas 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don’t be too hard on that guy. It’s probably not his fault that he can’t look beyond the graphics. That’s what years of PlayStation can do to you.

[–]Cilph 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amen.

Im PC Master Race yet Im hyped as fuck for BotW.

[–]SploonTheDude 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ironically, PlayStation doesn't hold a candle to PC.

[–]DiskoBonez 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Horizon Zero Dawn will be awesome, Breath of the Wild will be awesome.

In a year we will have enough info to know which game is truly superior. I don't know if I'll be getting a Switch or a PS4, but these two games are really system sellers for me. I might end up getting both.

[–]Naiko32 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He said in the comment he's not going to review it, but keep an eye because OBVIOUSLY there's going to be a reviewer ready to put it in the 8 zone because "well Horizon has better graphics and its a new ip, so this is worse duh" lets not witchhunt but be careful on how the fandom reacts to this kind of...uh, behaviour.

[–]Pananar 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

8 is hardly a bad score. Come on man.

[–]SploonTheDude 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yet he gave 8.5 for both the Order 1866 and No Man's Sky.

[–]Naiko32 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

compared to the 8.5 to The Order is a crime lol

[–]cbfw86 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we all take a moment to enjoy the fact that no one in the world will be surprised that a magazine for PlayStation games started their review obsessing over graphics and visuals?

[–]Freakindon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why is this a warning or why would we care? They are called fucking DUALSHOCKERS. Of course they are a sony shill site.

[–]anonymous1987 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A sony shill site that gives most Nintendo games great scores.

[–]Darkunov 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is a site that gave Horizon a perfect score

Is that game actually terrible...? From the early reviews everyone has a raging hard-on for Horizon, so I don't see how that is either unusual or unwarranted.

[–]Pananar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its more or less BotW but better looking. Ofc people here hates on it.

[–]Teeth_Whitener 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, it isn't terrible. It's apparently really good. The reason OP mentioned it is because a Sony focused site seems to be (not difinitively) gave Horizon a perfect score, but seems to be hating on Zelda for no other reason than because it's Zelda.

[–]anonymous1987 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uhh he's giving reasons.

[–]Teeth_Whitener 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok I should say that I found his reasons to be unsatisfactory. He just sounded salty to me.

[–]Ishpersonguy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sounds pretty salty.

[–]anonymous1987 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right this sub does.

[–]CrumpetButterer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the opinions of the individual writer do not reflect the views of the entire site. It was unlikely the same exact person. If they're not Zelda fans then yeah maybe they don't like it. What does that matter at all? Are you sold on the game? Yes? Then don't waste time bashing people for having a varied opinion. He might actually point out flaws that Nintendo will address in the next game, who knows.

[–]ErsatzCats 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well all they're doing is screwing themselves over. No one is going to take their reviews seriously.

[–]Jackofdemons 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure the next official Zelda game on switch will look great..

Honestly I don't care about the visuals as much as other people. Never seen such a refined fantasy survival game and I'm archly excited for it.

I really don't understand the logic that it will get a pass because it's Zelda.

If a game sucks it sucks, and its already got multiple 10 outta 10s anyway.

Also I didn't get horizon yet because I would just be neglecting it for zelda XD

It's all about that gameplay!! That and story is what should merit a game!

[–]Boonjiboy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My nmbwre one issue with this is the fact that he doesn't specify what his expirences were on the Wii U compared to that of the switch.

[–]Soupy_Soup 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well the part about the visuals is right at least, the game looks horrible on the wii u sadly.

[–]Koss424 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if only it was launched on the vita

[–]I_FIND_RACISM_FUNNY 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Horizon is actual garbage. The voice acting is The Room tier.

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