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[–]azazelcrowley 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I guess we're discussing how MRAs would envision womens integration into the army? Okay.

I think a voluntary army should be open to all without regard for class/color/gender etc. A draft should include both or neither sexes.

I agree with you that the whole idea women can't do it as well as men can is nonsense.

Potentially, segregated units and training would resolve it. Historically where they fought, women often had units with tactics and equipment of their own that would compliment battles.

Or technology might provide the answer eventually.

There's nothing about being a woman that prevents being a warrior. Historical examples abound. It's just we often these days expect them to do it the same way men do, and it's not going to work. They will not be able to keep up with our physical standards and requirements at decent rates. (Some women will, but then we've still got a mostly male army.)

I kind of suspect the way to get women in the army is to have an all-women unit or two and basically have it be a testing ground where women organize their own method of war. It might take a while, decades even, but eventually those units would have the combat experience and develop their own martial culture/institutions and stuff that suit women better. Basically hire a bunch of military theorist educated women, give them a budget, and tell them to make women as lethal as they can. That's what we did for men. Our decisions on what equipment should be standard are based on that, but it's not calibrated for women, and shouldn't be changed because it's helping keep those men alive. Determine success/fail criteria and a set date by which to decide whether to scrap the project.

Maybe not though, i've no idea. That just seems more likely to work than expecting them to pass the training regimen men do at rates needed to balance the army.

I don't support controlling womens reproduction, even in the army, because it'll lead to false rape accusations so women can avoid punishment and also fucks over women who are raped, institutions shouldn't punish people when stuff like that happens. It sucks for both of us. There's not much we can do about the pregnancy thing, Some women might probably might use it to drop out. But most soldiers are not deserters, and the same would be true of women.

[–]WomenMustServeInArmy[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A draft should include both or neither sexes.

Absolutely.

I agree with you that the whole idea women can't do it as well as men can is nonsense.

The main idea is that if women can't do something - then they should less civil rights. But i think that women can do the same the men can do. So they should have equal rights but and equal obligations.

They will not be able to keep up with our physical standard and stuff at decent rates.

Men at age 60 and children at age 10 participate at wars. Young women are so bad, that they can't match? I don't belive that.

I don't support controlling womens reproduction, even in the army, because it'll lead to false rape accusations so women can avoid punishment and also fucks over women who are raped, institutions shouldn't punish people when stuff like that happens. It sucks for both of us.

At wartime some hard methods are required. Good soldier should not allow to rape her, so if women false reports she can be punished too.

[–]azazelcrowley 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The main idea is that if women can't do something - then they should less civil rights. But i think that women can do the same the men can do. So they should have equal right but and equal obligations.

Yeh. But some of those obligations would be better off if neither of us did it.

Men at age 60 and children at age 10 participate at wars. Young women are so bad, that they can't match? I don't belive that.

Modern wars are waged by professionals.

[–]WomenMustServeInArmy[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeh. But some of those obligations would be better off if neither of us did it.

First of all obligations should be equal.

Modern wars are waged by professionals.

Not really - in many countries, where war happens, compulsory conscription for the men (but not women) happens.