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[–]fun-prohibited [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Last year they were against #OscarsSoWhite because "race doesn't matter". What short memories!

[–]Speedwagonbestwaifu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

what did you expect? As soon as i heard who won, I knew it was gonna be a shitstorm on reddit. God forbid that a N-word or F-word wins something. If it's both, much worse.

[–]np2392 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

These are the same types of people who go on and on about women and minorities being "shoehorned" into roles and how it's all just pandering. We've all heard the "how about the feminists/minorities go make their own video games and movies!" argument. Then you have things like this where they do, and the same people think the only reason people like it is because of pandering. Like it's not possible that people just genuinely think these movies, games, whatever are good, and they are just pretending to think it's good in order to...I'm not really sure?

Not that anyone here needs convincing, but it really goes to show you just how dishonest these types of people are when they make the argument above. It's always framed in some way of "I don't have any issues with women and minorities in media, I just think they should have their own fleshed out roles and not be shoehorned into existing white roles! This actually makes me less of a racist than you!". Really what these people are arguing for is "how about the feminists/minorities go make their own video games and movies, preferably in some dark corner of the internet I will never interact with and maybe have their own award shows I don't have to watch. Just do it in a way I can easily ignore all of it."

[–]IAmTheWaller67 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can't do /r/movies Oscar threads after 2015. When Glory won best song, I could've sworn that I had stumbled into /r/coontown. It was horrific. Idk why but that sub attracts some insane racists.

[–]agmaster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't even watch movies. rockapplause.gif

[–]Theta_Omega [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am so glad I mostly gave up discussing films on Reddit. The pre-emptive dismissal of La La Land's assumed win based on hype backlash I saw on some places online was a little irritating, but I'll take that every time over racist/homophobic backlash against Moonlight.

Also, (apparently?) controversial opinion: Moonlight and La La Land were both really, really good movies.

[–]CVance1 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I really liked The Salesman too and I do think it still probably would've won because Farhadi was a well known name, but I did kind of hold out hope for Toni Erdmann and I do think it got a bump.

But yeah, it is bullshit. I guessed they would probably do that. I think it still would've grabbed the prize even if Trump wasn't president, I'm just sad that it's legacy will probably be usurped by the fuckup

[–]TheGreatZiegfeld[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oh totally, I wouldn't be surprised if The Salesman got the nod over Toni Erdmann for political reasons, but it's not like The Salesman is a bad film or that it didn't "earn" the award. You could say Toni Erdmann deserved it more, but The Salesman definitely deserved it to some degree.

[–]CVance1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Farhadi is one of the greatest writers we have right now, and there really couldn't have been a better winner (save Erdmann, but i digress). Moonlight, however, was never a sure bet. Even going in I still thought they were gonna go La La Land just because it seemed like a sure bet. After what happened with Carol i don't exactly trust the Academy on queer movies.

[–]jigielnik [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Once I realized what was going on RE: the best picture mixup... I realized it was only going to reinforce the idea, among alt-right and alt-left people, that the oscar was "gifted" to the "black movie" and "taken away" from the "white movie."

[–]fun-prohibited [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

alt-left people

wut

[–]jigielnik [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

It's a recently coined term... the name for the far-left people, usually BernieOrBusters who were so hardcore that their hatred of so-called mainstream democrats and Hillary, created unnecessary divisions ended up helping trump and the republicans, while actively setting back progressive causes.

[–]Tenhats [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Let's not.

[–]jigielnik [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

...because there wasn't a faction of Berniecrats who divided the democrats and helped trump?

Unless you've got a time machine and changed history since I wrote my last comment... that is what happened.

[–]Tenhats [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

"Bernie or Busters" aren't far-left. They also aren't why Trump won, white supremacy did that just fine on its own.

Alt-left is a term made up by the alt-right to make the left and right seem "just as bad." Alt-right is also a term they made for themselves by the way to disguise the fact that they're nazis. The far-left is open about their positions and doesn't feel the need to cloak itself.

[–]jigielnik [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

"Bernie or Busters" aren't far-left.

Um... yes they are. Many of them even admit this openly.

They also aren't why Trump won, white supremacy did that just fine on its own.

I said they helped trump I didn't say they were "why trump won" which has the implication they were the only reason he won. They were not the only reason he won.

Alt-left is a term made up by the alt-right to make the left and right seem "just as bad."

Actually... alt-left was coined by mainstream democrats fed up with BernieOrBusters who refused to consider the damage they were doing to progressive causes by being so stubborn.

The alt-left is not racist like the alt-right, but they are still detrimental to creating real, liberal progress.

[–]Tenhats [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Um, no. They're not. Most of them are welfare capitalists at best, if that, which is squarely center left. Do you know what the far-left is? Here's an example. To be far left you must call for the total abolition of private property and market economics.

I see alt-left get used by right-wingers mostly. Regardless, it's still centrist shlock that pushes people towards the status quo and thus conservatism.

creating real, liberal progress.

I could do without the liberal part.

[–]jigielnik [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Sorry... but the Bernie or Bust people are far left. This isn't europe.

[–]Tenhats [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

No, they really aren't. They lack even basic class analysis, have no recognizable praxis, and don't have any problems with privately owned industries in a market economy. They just want capitalism to be a little bit less sharp around the edges.

The far left exists here in the United States, not just Europe, and is growing rapidly. The IWW I just linked you are an example of a long standing far-left organization here in the States who have had great successes for labor rights in the past and are resurging now. Socialist Alternative is another one, they managed to get Kshama Sawant elected as a city council person in Seattle and successfully used that to obtain a 15 minimum wage, divestment from DAPL, and diverted fund from militarizing the police into affordable housing, a major issue for Seattle. They're also running for a council seat in Minneapolis right now. They also organize a lot of protests in my city.

Just because you don't intersect personally with the far left in the United States doesn't mean "Bernie or Busters" somehow qualify.