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[–]vanityobsceneTrotskyist / Marxist 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Appreciate the votes of confidence! Congratulations to the other new mods!

[–]UpholderOfThoughtsSystem Change 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're the best! I look forward to talking about some of our shared favourite topics such as disabilities struggles!

[–]AlvetrusTrotsky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You seem to only have 17 votes, there were candidates with more.

[–]vanityobsceneTrotskyist / Marxist -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And other candidates with more got moderator positions too.

[–]zorreXTrotsky 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Thank you for this opportunity comrades! :)

[–]UpholderOfThoughtsSystem Change 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm excited for zorreX! It's interesting that your mentioned a lot of 'stable and relevant' groups and parties, I would love to go into more depth on each of these organizations next time we run into eachother! As a bit of hobby I pay attention to this sort of stuff too even though none of these parties are MLM.

[–]zorreXTrotsky 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally I think it's a bit odd that there aren't any large scale MLM parties anymore. It used to dominate the left/Marxism during the civil rights movement and into the labour struggles and feminist struggles that came thereafter. Only one that's left is RCP and honestly they got some wild-ass cult of personality stuff to work out...It seems to me more MLMs fall into the "local collectives" form of organizing than anything else. I'm not sure if this is more of a reflection of anarchism or an outright rejection of bourgeois democracy, or maybe both? But yeah, definitely further discussion is needed!

[–]AlvetrusTrotsky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't seem to find your elections.

[–]zorreXTrotsky 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be because I never nominated myself. /u/AnonSocialist can explain further.

I've expressed interest in modding in elections past but I never have nominated myself because I don't have access to reddit while working (I used to), and I didn't think my availability was up to par. I was probably mistaken. I was approached by the mods about becoming one.

[–]femimarxiAngela Davis 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

thanks to everyone who supported me in the mod election. i will strive to be a force for good on here, as well as stopping the socdems from getting another chance at killing rosa.

[–]lovelybone93 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They say all wounds heal with time, but they lie. RIP Rosa. T_T

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funniest because if Rosa had managed to survive the SocDems and then the Nazis, she'd have been executed under Stalin's regime.

[–]-Lainon-Black Flag 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congrats to all the new mods!

[–]CommunistPenguinDon't commodify the struggle 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks everyone!

p.s readsettlers.org

[–]GrenjabobNaxalite 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

readsettlers.org

[–]UpholderOfThoughtsSystem Change 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

readsettlers.org

[–]lovelybone93 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Glad to be here, look forward to working with everyone, improving the quality of discourse and keeping this a safe space for all comrades. I thank you for the opportunity.

[–]LupyrMarxist-Leninist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Congratulations!

[–]lovelybone93 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks, comrade.

[–]LupyrMarxist-Leninist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wish you luck in the moderating endeavor you've just found yourself in. I hope the moderation team will get their act together after recent and semi-recent incidents.

[–]lovelybone93 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm new, but working with the rest of the mods, I have no doubt we can make the sub better.

[–]LupyrMarxist-Leninist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good to know.

[–]UpholderOfThoughtsSystem Change 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a long time coming! Finally we have an unironic Bordigist in our midst!

[–]lovelybone93 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm literally Bordiga Danny DeVito.

[–]FoucinJerk 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Congrats to the new mods! Do you know when the knew Discord process will take effect? I tried getting on there months ago but was unable to, and the current link on the sidebar isn't working for me. Thanks!

[–]MyShitsFuckedDown3Multi-Track-Drifting 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Send a message to /r/socialismdiscord for ban appeals.

[–]SpaffyJimbleMarx 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congratulations to new mods!

readsettlers.org

[–]MoonMouse5Marxist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wew. Lot'sa new Trot mods.

It's time for some permanent revolution.


Congratulations to all moderators who've been elected.

[–]obsessedowlHammer and Sickle 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congrats to the new mods! Let us hope we can achieve something tangible

[–]GigadweebLibertarian Socialism 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congrats comrades!

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (29子コメント)

So, are we going to be able to see the vote totals that all the candidates received? Did the vote totals have anything to do with the moderator selections at all? I notice April Maria isn't on the list, and she seemed to have accrued many dozens of endorsements from socialists of all stripes.

EDIT: Here are the vote totals for the moderators that were chosen, since I don't really expect the mods themselves to count. I could be off by one or two on occasion.


Femimarxi: 34 Support, 10 Oppose

Lovelybone93: 42 Support, 18 Oppose

CrumblyButterMuffins: 25 Support, 2 Oppose

CommunistPenguin: 39 Support, 4 Oppose, 1 Abstain

VanityObscene: 17 Support

Nudelburk: 27 Support, 14 Oppose

AnesthesiaRomanov: 18 Support

ZorreX: No actual votes; this user didn't publicly run for election.

ARedIt: 6 Support

TheSutphin: No actual votes.


Let's take a look at some people who didn't make this arbitrary cut:


AprilMaria: 67 Support, 8 Oppose (It's worth looking at what the opposition was in this case, in my opinion. Link here.

YoungBagelian: 40 Support, 1 Oppose (Hint: It's only VoteAnimal2012 that opposed this.)

PerfectSociety: 18 Support, 1 Oppose (VoteAnimal2012.)

MoonMouse5: 10 Support, 1 Oppose (VoteAnimal2012.)

RedKiev: 21 Support, 2 Oppose (VoteAnimal2012 and one new mod, Nudelburk.)

Zellfire: 24 Support, 4 Oppose (I took out the replicates of one user's votes, if I counted correctly. VoteAnimal2012 and one new mod, VanityObscene, plus two regular users voted in opposition.)

I have no clue why VoteAnimal2012 appears to have such undue influence, considering that almost every single vote on this user's mod application was an oppose. By my count:

53 Oppose, 17 Support. Notably, the "supports" here are a lot of current, former, or new mods.


I'll stop there, because it's easy enough to see that these weren't elections; they were appointments made on an arbitrary basis, and there's no hope for libertarian socialist/anarchist representation here.


EDIT II: Added a bit above and the following permanent link to the Ceddit version of the Moderator Election Post, just in case. This link is an archive of the regular Reddit link.

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Youngbagelian was given a modship, but hasn't accepted it yet.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I take it that u/AprilMaria, /u/RedKiev and /u/Zellfire and u/MoonMouse5 were also offered modships, in that case? Because I'm having a hell of a time figuring out why they would be excluded on almost any measure one can shake a stick at, given the vote support of the moderators that were selected.

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Because there are two levels of voting. The subreddit elections puts forward who the subreddit wants, and then the mods discuss each nominee and take a vote. People who are active were given a higher priority, people who use slurs were dropped, people who called feminism "identity politics" were dropped. PoC and LGBT and GRSM were higher priorities as well, outspoken feminist and women as well. Etc.

While having a popular vote would be nice, ultimately we have to work with new mods. We wouldn't want another Zerthimon.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think it's absolutely fascinating that identitarian categories were regarded as high priorities, yet Support/Opposition ratios and ideological representation weren't- the latter is triply funny because anarchists/libertarian socialists were a plurality on this subreddit when the last census was done!

Anyway, what's the basis for shunning /u/AprilMaria, who by my estimate had the highest number of support votes of anybody in the entire election? The tired accusation of using slurs (that she explained was a matter of cultural differences)?

"Two levels of voting" and "favoritism for certain categories" doesn't really explain anything about how the decision was made, especially given that one (potentially two, depending on how one looks as it) new moderator wasn't even a candidate in the election!

[–]VoteAnimal2012Full Communism -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Cultural differences? Other Irish folk chimed in saying the word they used was a vile slur.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay. Link us so we can assess the situation.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Full Communism -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"We"? You and all the other petitioners can go fuck yourselves.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I'm game, but only if you partake alongside me. It's only fair.

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ideological representation was taken into account. Otherwise we'd have like 5 new MLMs. So was popular support. Other than a few outliers, our new mods all enjoyed widespread support.

As for April, the "cultural difference" defense is not sufficient. The mod team is willing to add her if she drops the use of the c word.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ideological representation was taken into account.

Noted; that does succinctly explains why so many self-proclaimed anarchists are now on the moderator team.

For clarity's sake, the majority of us don't think that the difference between a run-of-the-mill ML and an MLM is substantial enough to warrant the phrase "ideological difference." Leninists can be grouped together, anarchists can be grouped together, social democrats can be grouped together, and so on.

Pretty sure I saw April mention that she was more than happy to drop the usage of the offending word, and had already done so, according to numerous comments. Either way, flat out civility toward fellow posters is a MUCH more important thing to focus on, in my opinion (and pretty much everybody else on the subreddit who speaks out in occasions like this).

[–]RagarkPastures of Plenty must always be free -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not many anarchist applied. I think the one I remember was vetoed due to reasons unrelated to being an anarchist. Trust me, we do want to add more anarchist, I even keep an eye out for them.

As for April, she used the slur no more than 4 days before the thread was posted. It's gotta be longer than that to show us she's serious, but a month or two should be enough for that hatchet to be buried.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Full Communism -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You do realize the consequences of forcing mods onto the modteam, right? Any mod can delete the CSS and unban everybody, and its happened before. Thats why the final say is up to the mods.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who's talking about "forcing mods?" Nobody assumed that every popular person would necessarily get a seat. That doesn't make this haphazard appointment (which is what it is) any more sensible or logical, though.

Regardless, we wouldn't need to worry about unbanning or deleting CSS profiles if 1) we reserved bans for cut-and-dry situations and 2) we didn't go out of our way to demonize female artists, as happened last time that the CSS was nuked. Neither of these is a hard sell.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Full Communism -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thats not the last time the CSS was truly nuked, nice try rewriting history though, ya revisionist fuck.

If I had any influence at all you wouldnt be posting.

I didnt see you complaining about Bone not becoming a mod last time there were elections despite 90% approval because 1 mod veoted them. Where were you then? Huh?

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not participating in the subreddit, given that I only jumped into r/socialism in August of last year or thereabouts.

And yes, the last time the CSS was changed/deleted wholesale was indeed when the "strike" / "coup" happened; just because another one happened before that doesn't mean it wasn't the most recent, which is what I was talking about.

[–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The CSS deletion and modlist purge happened a good bit after that, albeit while the drama was still ongoing.

[–]VoteAnimal2012Full Communism -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The CSS was restored, it didn't have to be built from scratch like last last time.

You come in here as a brand new user and demand control of the sub. Disgusting.

[–]CyridiusTrotskyist | 1917-2017 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why is it always people with Chomsky flairs who have the worst politics and always try to start drama?

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would have been seriously hurt by that comment if it wasn't coming from a self-described Trotskyist. I'll try to refrain from drumming up all the rape (and apologia thereof) that Trotskyist organizations have been doing for the better part of a couple decades, just so that we can keep things cordial.

[–]CyridiusTrotskyist | 1917-2017 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey, are you OK? Sounds like you're a bit angry that someone's called you out for having your head firmly lodged up your ass.

Get a life outside of reddit. Then you get to be like actual Socialists who realise people like you are sad jokes.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's actually really helpful advice. I'll try to take you up on it.

[–]Revolutions1917 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

VoteAnimal had no influence on the election results—notice he wasn't modded either.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh, I'm 100% sure he had no influence, since it's not like he's friends with a large fraction of the existing moderators, in much the same way that a good swath of the new moderators definitely aren't /r/FULLCOMMUNISM moderators.

EDIT: /r/IWasWrongAllAlong (Mostly.)

[–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's not like he's friends with a large fraction of the existing moderator

To my knowledge he's not really friends with any of the existing mod team. There is one moderator who has had a good working relationship with him, and there is one moderator who is fond of his style but doesn't actually know him.

He has friends that were former mods, but they left :(

that a good swath of the new moderators definitely aren't /r/FULLCOMMUNISM moderators.

Of the FC mods that applied 2 were modded with wide-spread popular support and and 3 were not modded. Characterizing 2 of 11 as a "good swath" is a bit much.

One of those two was very clearly the most widely-supported candidate and the other of those two had been helping us in significant ways behind the scenes for a while and been putting in work without actually being a mod here.

If anything your comment above strikes me as having a process which was incredibly strongly biased against the FC mods. After all, you didn't mention auraljuror (42 supporters) or CGraccus (19 supporters), instead leaping down to much less popular candidates to promote your narrative.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Characterizing 2 of 11 as a "good swath" is a bit much.

Yeah, I just noticed that, actually. Totally my bad, I'll edit my post to reflect the error.

After all, you didn't mention auraljuror (42 supporters) or CGraccus (19 supporters), instead leaping down to much less popular candidates.

Didn't see them in my pass-through, mostly because I was focusing on the candidates that didn't strike me as the sort that fantasized about banning their "enemies" left and right.

[–]TheYetiCaptain1993commulist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

welcome new mods, wish you the best!

[–]AnesthesiaRomanovLyudmila Pavlichenko 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks everyone! Congrats to the other mods! :*

[–]UpholderOfThoughtsSystem Change 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pav I hope you help 'aim' the sub towards socialist revolution and against reaction!

[–]AnesthesiaRomanovLyudmila Pavlichenko 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

thanks, I look forward to it. :D

[–]AlvetrusTrotsky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it just me, or did you only have 18 votes? Thats less than some other candidates who didn't make it.

[–]CyridiusTrotskyist | 1917-2017 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Decent folks all around - sub's in good hands

[–]zellfireUphold Comrade Pupper Thought! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Congrats to new mods I guess, but who "won" seems only tangentially related to who got the most votes. More an application than an election.

[–]HoneyDSpace Communism 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A successful election! Wait, election's the word for when you take votes but they don't really effect the outcome, right?

[–]MarxistMinxfeminist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what the word means where I live.

[–]grantrobChomsky - "Your history is quite confused." 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know April Maria got dozens of votes, no question, and was a shoo-in for somebody that had support from both the pro-anarchist and pro-Leninist sides. Deeply concerning, to put it mildly.

[–]king_of_the_giraffescommunist/socialist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

kek they just added trots and MLs

[–]throwaway3434121 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

and a socdem who was just defending pewdiepie against me in the other thread.

[–]TheSutphinDemSoc/LibSoc/AnCom - The Fire Rises! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not a socdem, at all. I'm am ancom.

And I wasn't defending pewdiepie. I said people have a reason to get mad at him. What he did was wrong and absolutely horrible.

Also, he dyed his hair to look like the Aryan race. Smdh.

[–]throwaway3434121 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And I wasn't defending pewdiepie. I said people have a reason to get mad at him. What he did was wrong and absolutely horrible.

I was arguing with another liberal(who I think got banned if I'm not mistaken) who was defending pewdiepie. if you really agreed with me why did you feel the need to jump in on the thread and side with the person who I were arguing with?

[–]TheSutphinDemSoc/LibSoc/AnCom - The Fire Rises! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't think I was defending that user haha sorry if you took it that way, I can see the confusion.

My point, which I didn't articulate in my third bullet, was that it's talking about pdp is pointless. We need to be focusing our efforts else where, mainly in the streets, rioting, revolting, and organizing.

This sub loves to upvote him and Maher, but we should be upvoting more important stuff, ya know?

I'm sorry comrade if you felt like I was attacking you, or defending a liberal.

Edit. But I did not kill Rosa.

[–]throwaway3434121 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's the same argument the person who I believe got banned was making. and it's I believe the same reason your comments got downvoted. that is you were downplaying the significance of pewdiepie's behavior to "it's just a terrible joke, but doesn't deserve all this backlash"

[–]hamletloveshoratio 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sutphin had zero votes. Something is very fishy.

[–]throwaway3434121 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

they're a mod at /r/s4p. maybe had something to do with it.

[–]AlvetrusTrotsky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it's called nepotism.

[–]MarxistMinxfeminist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

None of the new mods are my nephews as far as I know.

[–]AlvetrusTrotsky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

cronyism, favouritism

[–]TheDirtyKangarooLeft Communism 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice. Needed more infantile disorder, though.

[–]heavenlyyakshaHammer and Sickle -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Finally u/lovelybone93 is mod; let's make r/socialism socialist again.