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Controversial Decisions Involving Manchester United 2016/17 (self.soccer)

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As above:

Ibra : https://streamable.com/dfad7

Ibra hands round throat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuX2vbCHvnY&t=3m12s

Ibra forearm smash on Otamendi: https://twitter.com/mohammed0552/status/775442436495708160

Ibra kicks Coleman in the head after wrestling him to the ground: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_s9w5nKSs

Pogba throw 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJGPzolv47k

Pogba throw 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DFCiPXctsk

Herrera v Stoke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gs0kQYQcmQ

Rojo v Palace: https://youtu.be/zth74j6WpNE

Rojo v Everton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnRt7Vrwkyw

Bailly v City, penalty and kick out: https://streamable.com/ted2

Three bookings in the derby for Rooney before the Bravo challenge: https://twitter.com/MCFCworld/status/774742914836598785/video/1

Feghouli sent off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=053ctgR_zW4

Fellaini knocks out Kolarov's tooth: The Belgian midfielder has previously been charged by the FA for the use of his elbow, most recently for last season's brawl with Robert Huth, and Fellaini once again appeared to use his arm to make contract with Kolarov in one of many flash points during the game. http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/kola.jpg

Mata on Vardy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WibLs9i11s

Ibra Dive for 1-0 v St Etienne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmohx-jNGmo

Penalty not given for St Etienne at 1-0 (no link)

Manchester United have scored 6 offside goals in the last 3 months, apologies for the sun spit: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2625340/manchester-united-six-offside-goals-jose-mourinho-whining/

Obviously, the travesty of a Cup Final yesterday ...

These are the ones I've seen and can find links for. I would be interested to see a list of decisions that went against United - I can recall this incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3ZsNzf0PbI where Bailly clearly kicks out as much as Vardy, the soft penalty for Hull and Herrera's unlucky second yellow v Burnley.

Here's a video of some calls that went against United: https://streamable.com/dolkd, though clearly a red card not given is more impactful than a penalty, when the red card affects that game as well as the next three.

Is it fair to say that a) - Manchester United have on the whole benefited from a slew of decisions this season (they have had one red card in all competitions and no retrospective bans) and b) these decisions do not "even out" no matter what their fans say. I wonder if these red cards are as incontrovertible as Stephens or Romeu was yesterday.

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[–]WalesEmptysighsandwine 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You apologise for using the Sun but still use it. Obviously bullshit.

Does Bailly really kick out in the challenge with Vardy? Looks the other way round.

Christ the effort that went into making this biased shite is amazing haha

[–]NonFrizzante 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As soon as I glanced through this and saw "Ibra kicks Coleman in the head" I knew it was an absolute troll post.

That is reaching to deluded levels.

[–]Eyeknowthis[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then why does Gary Neville say "he's lucky".

Why did Coleman go off injured five minute later?

[–]NonFrizzante 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Accidents can't hurt people now?

Wish I knew that law of the universe earlier.

Neville also ranted about the Southampton player lucky to be on the pitch yesterday until he saw another angle 5 minutes later. It's called context.

[–]Juventustheglasscase 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Some of these are really clutching at straws. Zlatan was booked for his challenge on Craig Dawson, and that was the correct decision. His 'hands round throat' one isn't a violent act.

Pogba's throws are, at worst, yellow card offences.

Bailly's tackle should have been given as a penalty, but neither official was in a place to see it, and there was no 'kick out'.

Every team gets offside decisions in their favour, I'm sure you could find multiple examples for every team in Europe.

Yes, there are examples of Man Utd players being lucky not to get sent off. Again, you could find multiple examples of that for every team in Europe if you were obsessive enough. This isn't evidence of anything, other than a Man City fan with too much time on his hands and anger at seeing Man Utd winning a trophy.

[–]Eyeknowthis[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you sure? I'd say throwing someone to the ground is violent conduct. Either way, why does he not get a yellow card?

Bailly kicks out as much as Vardy does, and Vardy's was a clear red card apparently.

Such a vague way to dismiss what is in front of your eyes - "These mistakes happen", yes they do, but why has there been such a large amount during games involving Man Utd?

[–]Juventustheglasscase 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I said at worst. It is not violent conduct.

I was talking about Bailly's challenge against Man City, but there was nothing in the one with Vardy either, which is why both players stayed on the pitch.

[–]Manchester UnitedCuriousBot42 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pogba throw 1:

Pogba throw 2:

Imagine being that pedantic.

You must have a lot of time on your hands.

[–]Manchester UnitedMadaraTheUchiha 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jeez, at least make a post of decisions that have gone against us. You're just being a salty biased prick now. We've had tons of decisions gone against us that would've completely changed games, but no, you don't care about that.

[–]Ajaxnon-relevant 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In Holland we have an expression for posts like this

[–]MorecambeTim-Sanchez 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (13子コメント)

You've selected a list of incidents that Man U have benefited from, but interestingly didn't put the same effort into finding a list that went against United. I think if someone did that you would see that they are mostly equal, and do even out.

[–]Manchester Unitedilovethisgameahahah 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-fixtures-ibrahimovic-12391431 From 1st January. We were screwed in the first half of the season so it's good to see them even out a bit.

[–]Everton3V3RT0N 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (8子コメント)

only takes a small click, and yes posts on /r/MCFC, it all adds up.

[–]Snow_EU 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost all his posts are about United too. Sad.

[–]Almeríayodeadassb -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

not like he's inventing stuff though these are all facts, biased or not.

[–]Everton3V3RT0N 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They could all be facts, but you could make up a list for any team on earth, sort of how football works.

[–]Yo_where_r_my_ticket 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah shit, does the cup win not count anymore?

[–]United Statesmurica_sauce 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obviously, the travesty of a Cup Final yesterday

Calls go for/against every team including United - luckily you posted this classic "travesty" line to let everyone know the real reason behind your thread, though.

[–]WalesEmptysighsandwine 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People acting like it's the first time a linesman has ever fucked up an offside goal.

[–]Charlton AthleticAurumStone 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you want a serious discussion it's probably best to create a structured argument as a starting point.

[–]EnglandRenevat 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Quick now make a list of all the time this season decisions have gone against United.

[–]LinfieldLeondgeeste 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think there's a happy medium here. United have clearly benefited from several incorrectly made decisions this season, including in the cup final yesterday and many of those listed in the OP. Perhaps they've benefited even more than other clubs have this season, it's completely possible.

That said, I think it's obvious that such a big deal is being made about it because it's United. If this were City, or Arsenal, or Liverpool, you probably wouldn't care. Now United have won a cup suddenly everyone wants to look back at all the times Zlatan rough-housed other players or scored goals from an offside position and got away with it.

Also, United are sitting sixth and fighting desperately to somehow get a Champions League spot. Hardly dominating as a result of all these decisions going their way.

[–]Eyeknowthis[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, it's nothing to do with the Cup, I just thought it was a suitable time to have the debate.

I'd happily do a list of controversial decisions involving the top 6 but what's the point if it gets downvoted to oblivion.

[–]Republic of IrelandCreativeCliffy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is some Barca and Real type of shit.

[–]Southamptonjoethesaint 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I wonder if these red cards are as incontrovertible as Stephens or Romeu was yesterday

What, are some people arguing Stephens and/or Romeu should have got reds yesterday? Because no chance.

[–]SunderlandShadyBeaver 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Romeu people think should've got a second yellow for the "elbow"

[–]WalesEmptysighsandwine 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean, it was an elbow, it's more of a debate of intent. You know if Fellaini did it there would be a lot more calls for a second yellow.

[–]SunderlandShadyBeaver 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd call it more of a forearm, not worth a sending off anyway.

[–]WalesEmptysighsandwine 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I reckon it could've gone either way. Haven't seen it since it happen though so you could be right.

[–]Southamptonjoethesaint 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Fellaini did what Romeu did, I'd be pleasantly surprised that he wasn't throwing his elbow around for once.

[–]Manchester Unitedunitedfever 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Stephens is a 'maybe' but Romeu is a 'no'

[–]Southamptonjoethesaint 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Stephens is not a maybe. He got a deserved yellow for losing control of the ball then diving in. I don't know if you thought that could be a straight red or if he deserved a yellow somewhere else?

[–]Manchester Unitedunitedfever -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a maybe because I've seen those challenges being given a red, but it's a strong maybe because I personally don't think it deserved a red.

[–]Southamptonjoethesaint 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yes, I've also seen referees make bad decisions before.

[–]Manchester UnitedCatFoodBeerAndGlue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mrw there's a massive global conspiracy to give decisions in our favour and we're still only 6th http://imgur.com/ibNndEK