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It feels as though we've lost YouTube. (self.GamerGhazi)

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There is near unanimous support of Pewdiepie. Even Casey Neistat, a huge liberal youtuber, is being vocal in his support of Pewdiepie. All of this even though he just gave support to Sargon of fucking Akkad. Disgusting.

A few weeks back, a youtuber called out another on his use of the N word, and SHE was the one chastised and even lost a significant amount of subscribers. All while he has skyrocketed from it.

The weirdest one in recent memory is Jontron going full blown facist. In his video today he had a "thanks goys" and "/ourguy/" jokes in his video.

It's scary because these people have huge influence on kids, and it seems that YouTube itself has turned right.

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[–]dal33t☠Skeleton Justice Warrior☠ 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I don't think there was ever a time where we had YouTube, to be honest.

[–]GoombOClives in orwallion 1984 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (5子コメント)

If anything, it's a good thing we don't. I mean, jokes about the YouTube comments section being the lowest common denominator has essentially become the internet's "What's the deal with airline food?"

These big YouTubers turning fasc is worrying, but I feel like they've always been like this (JonTron in particular), and are simply doing what big YouTubers do best: pandering. There are a few genuinely progressive YouTubers of a decent size, namely people like the Game Grumps, PBG, ProJared, and BrutalMoose, they're just quiet for now, which is an issue, but it does take balls to directly attract the ire of Pewd's fanbase.

EDIT: Fucked up an interpretation, which is pretty bad on my part.

[–]Nukerjsr 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't get mad at a Youtuber not standing up because they have pretty much no protection from the law or Youtube when they get hit with harassment. Nothing gets done except a lot of pain and suffering. Hell, Jacksecpticeye who is also a pretty big LPer on about Markiplier's level is getting shit on for criticizing Pewdiepie (even after saying Pewds was his friend and he doesn't think he's racist)

[–]Tom_ofFinland 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of my fav YouTube channels is FunHaus and they are all fairly anti fascist and progressive and quick to call out their fans on their bullshit.

They do, however, in all fairness, hit some misogyny and queer phobic stuff but it never feels like punching down, more bad taste in general. But then again, mostly white cishet males so who knows.

Under the rooster teeth umbrella, which is mostly inclusive on the whole imo.

[–]cakeboss26 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not seeing any PBG/Skeptic arguments. Link?

[–]GoombOClives in orwallion 1984 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ooh. Okay, he did do some correspondence with him, but agreeing with a point he made about Pewds being one of the most influential people on the planet, which I agree with to an extent, so I jumped the gun and fucked up, my bad. But he is arguing with an Alex Jones/Trump supporter, so that earns him some points.

[–]tr3v1nAT&T of people 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think things have been trending downwards ever since YouTube started sharing their ad revenue. Then it became less of a hobby or a fun thing people did and started becoming a serious business. YouTubers are going to be very protective because they have built up their "careers" around it. It is right there in the name. They rarely call themselves "video producers". Instead, they are "YouTubers". It is a strong brand. Also, because it is basically a monopoly, there is nowhere else to go. If one guy gets in trouble, the rest have to worry about what could happen to them.

[–]ChildOfComplexityAnti-racist is code for anti-reddit 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One thing that the reactionary reality bubble can't stop is the Streisand effect (no matter how much they might think it's "their weapon" against "sjws").

As reactionary youtube increasingly becomes something distinct, attached to the faces of rightwing children's entertainers the media will start to notice, and there will be a backlash. especially since their response to anyone telling them to pull their heads in, voicing mild concerns or offering friendly advice is 'whatever, I do what I want".

It will just have to play out.

My money is on the first to try to distance themselves from the death spiral being either Anthony Fantano, who is probably (at this point) in shallow enough to back away silently without any public fallout or h3h3 as the anti-semitism becomes increasingly common and brazen.

[–]Heatth 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

If one guy gets in trouble, the rest have to worry about what could happen to them.

I think this is important to remember. Professional Youtubers are in constant fear of losing their platform. Because there is basically no where else to go, it would be the same as losing their jobs. I know many of them tried other sites, but these almost invariably fail, so youtube security is kind of a big thing for them.

Of course, this doesn't excuse them from being shitty, but I do think it explain why so many have a blind spot for follow Youtubers. They see it as if their livelihood is in mind.

Btw:

(...)because they have built up their "careers" around it.

Please don't do that. There is no need for scare quotes around career. Their career is real and as valid as any other creative career.

[–]3spacemenandababy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think this is important to remember. Professional Youtubers are in constant fear of losing their platform

You would think this would make them back away from the fascists, not cozy up to them.

[–]Heatth 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

People tend to not be much rational when their livelihood is in (perceived) threat. They don't see Sargon and the like as fascist, but as fellow youtubets being target by powerful corporations (which is a thing that actually happen).

Now, again, this don't excuse them. If only because they are flat out wrong in this case. My understanding is that Pewdiepie case is actually rather clear cut. He fucked up and his sponsors backed away. As far I know Youtube haven't even suggested they will change anything in their system, so it is no like this will effect anyone other than Pewdiepie.

[–]3spacemenandababy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Livelihood under threat? Man PewDiePie could never do another day's work in his live and still live in luxury.

I think what's actually happening is we've bred a series of rich young men who receive constant ego validation and thus they've become utterly unable to handle even the slightest criticism.

Let's not pretend this is the first time PewDiePie has lashed out at the press for having the temerity to cover him in any way but glowing praise. He attacks Kotaku on the regular.

[–]Heatth 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Again, it is not rational. I am not defending it, I am only trying to explain it.

Also, the livelihood under (perceived) threat is not PewDiePie's. I am talking about the other youtubers who might be defending hin. PewDiePie might not need to work another day on his life, but this is not the truth for most people on youtube.

[–]3spacemenandababy 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've put themselves 'under threat' by defending him, and I truly hope those threats are realised. It is everything they deserve.

[–]Nukerjsr 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Jontron was bad, but I think it could be manageable because he was going alt-right from stupidity to the point where people could see through his shit.

Now that we have larger Youtubers who do nonstop videos like Pewdiepie, Boogie, Phillip DeFranco, h3h3, and CGP Grey jumping on the "fuck mainstream media, listen to Sargon" train, this is fucking dangerous. Youtube/Google needs to step up before their platform and brand gets toxic to Twitter's level. I'm actually hoping WSJ fights back to do more expose research. Hell, Pewdie's fans are going after the WSJ journalist and JK Rowling with his newest video. Something has to be done before something really awful happens.

[–]DashCat9Sensitive Joss Whedon 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That bit where he zooms in on the journalist's name.

So fucking transparent what's happening here, but it's the kind of shit these fucking weasels will excuse as "What? Just letting everyone know the name of the person that said these vile things!"

Right. Sorry, but no. We're not fucking idiots. We know what you're doing.

Fuck you, Felix.

[–]3spacemenandababy 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Boogie has been playing footsie with GGers since the start and then leaping back and saying "I'm not I'm being reasonable stop bullying me" every time he gets called on it. Utter slime.

[–]kobitzCatholic SJW 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (16子コメント)

CGP Grey

Oh no, not him too.

[–]ForwardOkapi 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's always given an exaggerated level of expertise that he's never really earned. It's more of the youtube "sounds smart but isn't when you think about it" kind of thing.

[–]Misiame 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Ehh, I don't think we had him to begin with. He gave off a veneer in progressiveness, but that was just a mask hiding over a face of authoritarianism. The most recent big video was "guide for dictators" and while it seemed neutral, with context its clear its "progressive" fascism. Plus, some of it came off as r/Iamverysmart

[–]kobitzCatholic SJW 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hes very weird and almost authoritarian. I have listened to quite a few of his podcasts and hes very, and I really dont have another word, inhuman. Like theres this podcast were he said he didnt keep materal objects because they were not "efficent" and he said schools shouldnt teach foreign lengauges because "google translate"

[–]Antifa_Garfield 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right-wing technocrats are fucking bizarre

[–]ForwardOkapi 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lol, someone hasn't seen google's mangled attempts at mandarin

[–]remove_krokodilSocial Justice Commissar 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was just going to ask whether he'd used Google Translate in his entire life.

[–]Ayasugi-san 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or anything with slang or typos.

[–]morgiecorgiCuckleberry Finn 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

CGP Grey strikes me as interesting and decently able to make a good point in some videos but just...terribly, frighteningly inhuman. He reminds me somewhat of the ooloi in Lilith's Brood? I think there are a couple of strongly argued and well-produced CGP Grey videos, but I always felt he assigns to everyone a certain sense of delusional objectification. His video about school teachers being replaced by benevolent AI, for example - how the fuck can he understand so little about the irrationalities of a developing human being? Was he grown in a test tube?

[–]TimeAndOrSpacePirateReaper of the Author 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

he said schools shouldnt teach foreign languages because "google translate"

holy shit what the actual fuck?
i haven't watched any of his vids for a while
though i remember liking them
but what the shrieking fuck
if he meant that seriously that may be
one of the most flagrantly stupid things
i've heard from anywhere other
than the white house

[–]Siantlark 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair to that video, the original book that it was based on is called the "Dictator's Handbook."

To its detriment however, the Dictators Handbook portrays all people in power as inherently selfish, and wanting to stay in power to enrich themselves or further some agenda. The book had several examples of "everyday" dictators and corrupt politicians in democracies and American government, something that later summaries and rehashes of the theory have glossed over. The subtitle is literally "Why Bad Behavior Is Almost Always Good Politics." The video sort of has this, but presents it as needed or good, rather than the problematic thing that it is.

It's not a model to follow, it's a model to explain why the world is shit.

[–]Misiame 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. I agree. Its still a good video in of itself. People shouldn't trust hierarchy and putting power into a few people. People, even the best, get corrupted by it and use it for their own to enforce their ideology. This idea (not the video) is what led me to anarchism and anarchist philosophy.

But in the context of what the video maker believes, it comes off as more sinister. Like "watch this and learn how to keep people satisfied while you maintain your disproportionate power over people".

We should take what we can and learn from these videos, but remember why they were learned and educate our own viewpoints based upon those lessons. Fuck the producer, death of the author and all.

[–]hypersoar 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Say it ain't so!

https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835195521941794816

:(

[–]Shamer_#YesAllEthics 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Kurzgesagt is in on this as well:

https://twitter.com/Kurz_Gesagt/status/835232371356094464

[–]ForwardOkapi 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not surprising he's shit. When I watched his video on CRISPR, I laughed my ass off. It was clearly over the top nonsense from someone who didn't know the science. But who cares if it's good production value, right? He's always like that.

[–]tiger20777 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

:(

[–]kobitzCatholic SJW 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh my god fucking Sargon on the responses is giving me anxiety

[–]VoteRonaldRayGunHe wore a bad toupee and spray tan 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

DeFranco was a former Ron Paul and Gary Johnson supporter so there's no surprise there.

[–]PunyParker826 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I mean, Youtube Red already cut Pewdiepie's show. What do you propose Youtube "do" with him and these other channels?

[–]Siantlark 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ban actual hatred, sexism, and fascist apologia from their site?

[–]ChildOfComplexityAnti-racist is code for anti-reddit 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd rather they banned comments. maybe upvotes as well. then views.

Just take away all audience feedback.

[–]PunyParker826 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds extremely broad, damaging to channels, and counterproductive. Youtubers rely on feedback - they would essentially be forced to move to another site, regardless.

[–]zeeblecroid 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read something a month or so back that they're rolling out actual useful comment moderation tools to channel owners. Promoting/hiding comments, keyword blacklists, the works. It's not the same as just banning Actual Nazis and the like, but if that's the case it's still infinitely better than "no comments at all" or "drink from the firehose" being the only options.

[–]PunyParker826 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And who's going to sift through these videos and make that call? "Hatred" alone is pretty broad, with an argument to be made for "fascist." The Youtube Heroes program is already unpopular, almost unanimously, and that initiative is pretty tame compared to what you're proposing.

[–]SoltheronCome to me, dark misanderers, battle awaits us. 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No one should give a shit what's popular. These idiots can fuck off and get banned when they can't behave themselves.

[–]PunyParker826 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You didn't answer the question.

[–]SoltheronCome to me, dark misanderers, battle awaits us. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have a responsibility when they create a platform. The answer is: People who are hired to do that job. A volunteering system with some oversight could work, too, if it's implemented right.

Make it difficult enough for assholes to make a new account, and the problem will be solved if the management is strict enough.

Heck, look at /r/science.

[–]WildfireDarkstar 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's wagon circling, pure and simple. It's not that these creators actually support Pewdiepie's lame "joke," necessarily, it's just that it's not really tangible to them. They're secure as they are, and while they might recognize that uncritically spouting Nazi propaganda is bad, or at the very least not particularly funny, it's not something they get especially worked up over.

But the thing they do have in common with Pewdiepie is a platform. They've been on YouTube for quite some time, and have gotten used to the freedom it offered them as a platform. They can say all sorts of unpopular or controversial things and not get much blowback for it. And I don't just mean Sargon-style crap: CGP Grey is hardly of the same mind, but much of his content is very much in the "everything you know is wrong" style that, rightly or wrongly, which get a fair more blowback on any traditional media outlet than it does among a smaller, more selective YouTube audience. So they look at Pewdiepie, and see that he's getting a lot of negative attention for doing something that they may not agree with, but don't see as that big of a deal. The idea that the Wall Street Journal could start paying attention? That major sponsors like Google and Disney could start paying attention to them and shorten their metaphorical leash? That's way more important than anything Pewdiepie did. To them, that is.

It's the exact same crap as gamergate, really. Gaming journalism has always been a mess, but most GGers didn't care as long because most of it either flew below their radar or didn't challenge their own opinions or views in any meaningful way. But the moment it does (or rather seems to do, given that the ethical issues they glommed onto were basically 100% fabricated), it blows up. Payola on the part of publishers (remember the whole Kane and Lynch business)? Sure, maybe that's not exactly a good thing, but it doesn't really matter to them. Someone saying mean things about gamers as a group? Grab the pitchforks! Same deal this time: Pewdiepie didn't something unfortunate, but... eh, it's not a big deal to me, so I can't imagine it's a big deal to anyone. But major newspapers piling on? Does this mean that I'm going to start getting more scrutiny for the things I say and do? That clearly makes it the biggest social issue of our time!

It's incredibly childish, really. It suggests an unfortunate lack of perspective or empathy, as well as an amazing inability to take criticism on the chin like pretty much everyone else in any kind of public position learns to do their first week on the job. But it's not especially unique, and it was bound to happen sooner or later as YouTube has inexorably moved from being a niche platform used by the technically savvy to a mass media juggernaut. YouTube creators will either learn to cope with the new status quo, or they'll raise enough of a stink about having public scrutiny applied to them that the new mass audience will lose interest and YouTube's brief stint as a major media outlet will come to a crashing end.

[–]Imposterfanare you afraid of the Sark? 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Idubz is the youtuber being refered to. His content is... uh. Rough.

[–]TheWolfmann 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (7子コメント)

As we all know, a scrawny white boy saying the n-word and screaming homophobic slurs at people is the height of comedy.

[–]saccharindsmug anime girl twitter icon 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I mean, his audience consisting of the same kinds of white boys totally find it easy to identify with him lol

[–]Eternium_Orean actual cultural marxist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have to admit I enjoy his content and am subscribed to him because he generally does good content, but damn he should cut down on his oh-so-hilarious slurs.

[–]saccharindsmug anime girl twitter icon 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

see the slurs just kills it 100% for me

[–]Eternium_Orean actual cultural marxist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I can understand that, they're hard to stomach, especially when he talks about the n-slur as a white person, it's just incredibly distasteful.

[–]DirtyPanucha -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if I'm Mexican and I think it's funny?

[–]abstract_warriora commulist and a bolshevik 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm laughing at him, not with him

[–]andrewisgood 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (4子コメント)

YouTube was always a dumpster fire, especially when it came to comment discussion. YouTube is known for idiotic comments. Don't support them. I guess I'm also the type who just subscribes to Gamer youtubers who seem to be good people. Game Grumps (without JonTron), The Completionist/TheNationalDex/Super Beard Bros, people like that.

[–]cakeboss26 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ross from Game Grumps and his wife Holly were defending Pewdiepie.

[–]andrewisgood 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Looking into posts, it seems they never defended or were ok with the jokes but from their experience, Felix was a nice guy.

[–]Gundea 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lots of horrible people have been friendly to those close to them. Can we just fucking stop accepting that as some kind of excuse?

[–]andrewisgood 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People don't just always abandon relationships or friendships like that, especially at the time of the posting, he had apologized.

On top of that, I don't think he and his wife were excusing his behaviour. They don't think he's a nazi.

[–]cakeboss26 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yeah, it's pretty much just H Bomberguy and he's below 100k subs. Jacksepticeye could have been a dissenting voice of reason, but he was essentially forced to apologize for his video.

[–]TyrrenSocial Studies Warrior 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Don't forget Contrapoints (13k), Newsbroke (14k), Shaun and Jen (5.5k), demotivatoropinion (3k), and chrisiousity (2k)! Yeah, they don't have enormous followings, but they're all great SJW channels.

[–]Bolt_Master_Ampharos 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let's not forget Garrett, at 6k. His videos are very informative and well-made.

EDIT: I need not also forget the Majority Report with Sam Seder (100k+). Additionally, if you like SJW content with more radical left viewpoints, Badmouse Productions and Libertarian Socialist Rants are great.

[–]lolasaurusrex1234 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LSR occasionally uploads compositions as well. Blew my tiny mind how good a pianist he is.

[–]avenueofcats 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i really hope Contrapoints becomes more popular and becomes like, the jesus of youtube lol

[–]CH0AM_N0MSKY☭☭Cultural Marxist☭☭ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Michael Rowlands is also pretty good from what I've seen, he's just under 2k subs.

[–]abstract_warriora commulist and a bolshevik 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sweet thanks for the list. It's objectively hard to find progressive YouTube because they're drowned out by fascists and their sympathisers

[–]Ziggie1o1Shoutyman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're looking for content creators who talk about movies and games and other pop culture topics but still with a decidedly leftist bent, I'd also recommend Errant Signal (115k), Lindsay Ellis (105k), Dan Olson/Folding Ideas (89k), Lily Peet (40k), and Kyle Kallgren (27k).

[–]NikIvRuI censor things by disliking them 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Commenting just so that I can come back to that list.

[–]RhyCyCyHow do you do, fellow SJWs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you know reddit has a save feature.

[–]Tripanes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the1Janitor is a good channel as well, at least I like the guy's videos.

[–]HighOctaneNightmare 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I like Ranting Feminist's videos, even though she's just starting up and has a small subscriber base. She's funny, well-informed, and very calm and collected. The fact that she's managed to make ShoeOnHead pull her head out of her ass a little is a minor miracle in and of itself.

[–]abstract_warriora commulist and a bolshevik 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait is ShoeOnHead good now? I know it's a 4chan reference so I was avoiding.

[–]HighOctaneNightmare 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

She's still not the most unenlightened gal on the planet, but she's mellowed out a bit from what I can gather. What I like about Ranting Feminist is that she's been able to convince quite a few people to reevaluate their preconceived notions about feminism, mostly by staying calm and collected and focusing on the facts.

[–]abstract_warriora commulist and a bolshevik 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds great!

[–]cakeboss26 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Whoa, link to the Shoe0nhead thing? She's always been stubbornly close to the alt-right (I guess she'd be categorized as alt-lite?) from what I've seen.

[–]HighOctaneNightmare 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm basing this mostly on her replies to Ranting Feminist's twitter and youtube videos. She also talks to Contrapoints sometimes.

[–]EthicsOverwhelming 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Youtube is occupied by 12 year olds and videos are posted by 30 year old idiots who criticize "Old Media" for not doing a good job, while simultaneously spreading around un-researched Reddit rumors and anonymous tweets they can't authenticate.

It was never "had" to begin with.

[–]LesterPearsonsProjctE Deploribus Unum 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yep. Randall Munroe figured this out less than a year after YouTube launched.

[–]VoteRonaldRayGunHe wore a bad toupee and spray tan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That vintage Youtube grey video player and simple reply/report comment section.

[–]LesterPearsonsProjctE Deploribus Unum 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder if there's a "view major websites as they appeared in 2006" browser plugin.

[–]futuremd69 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True.

[–]menandskyla 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

youtube debuted when i was in high school and i've never understood the idea of a community based there

[–]AliceBonesPower Armored White Knight 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (8子コメント)

nervously clutches Jim Sterling, Noah Gervais, MrBtongue, Moviebob, and SuperBunnyHop

[–]Skulls_Skulls_SkullsJust wanna play video games every night and every day 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

SBH thinks social justice is a step too far and jokes with his friends on livestreams about how trans people don't deserve rights, black people are violent criminals, and feelings are for dumb-dumbs.

Sorry.

[–]FaKingIceHole 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

can you post some of those links?

[–]Skulls_Skulls_SkullsJust wanna play video games every night and every day 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, they're like two to five hour long vods of streams, there's a lot to comb over in there. I haven't watched anything of his stuff for a couple of weeks now so I wouldn't know where to start anyway.

[–]FaKingIceHole 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok. I'll try to watch it sometime in the future.

[–]AliceBonesPower Armored White Knight 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aw, fuck. Well, guess it's better I knew...

[–]adamnadam 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Seems to me as though Sargon and company are trying to force another GG. You can really see a familiar narrative forming from the musings of the people involved in this.

[–]Flamdar 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully by the time the next one happens we can call it Gamer-a-lago.

[–]iamspacedadPsy-ops Specialist 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

They've been trying and failing to 'force another gg' for years. But the same perfect storm of awfulness that created gg isn't something you can really artificially re-create. People are too jaded by how it went down the first time.

[–]Kakanian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Metalgate comes to mind, yes.

[–]wikiredCuck Amuck 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That one was particularly pathetic.

[–]Kakanian 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd say that metal fans telling them to fuck off was anything but.

[–]wikiredCuck Amuck 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was really hilarious. GG weenies tried so hard to make it a thing, but it only took like, a week for them to realize metal fans weren't gonna swallow their bullshit.

My favorite quote from a metal website:

"#Metalgate is not a thing; it’s a childish expression of angst from within the gaming community that seeks to draw a connection between #gamergate and heavy metal where none actually exists, in an effort to prove that their values are the “right” ones. No one is threatening the existence of ignorant, conservative, white man metal… there’s TONS of it out there, with more coming every day! So just keep to yours and we’ll keep to ours."

[–]AonghusMacKilkenny 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are they going to create it on? Just the media in general?

[–]TreezusSavesWe're doing this Diamond Joe's way! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Liberal media is corrupt and conspiring to take down Trump."

There needs to be a more personal sizzle though, since GG was fueled by what sex people may have been having. Even the email group that journalists used was just a sideshow to the Quinnspiracy.

[–]futuremd69 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont see any gamergate of the sorts. Sargon is a delusional twat.

[–]AonghusMacKilkenny 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lets be honest, Sargon was rubbing his hands with glee and will be laughing all the way to the bank after this PewDiePie scandal... he's given him a platform and now thousands of PewDiePie's followers who hadn't previously watched Sargon are going to end up subscribed to him.

They're essentially scam artists making large sums of money for drumming up propaganda.

[–]ForwardOkapi 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, what do we even have online? It feels like everywhere is swarming with right wing roaches now.

If there was somewhere I could go and ditch this shitty site, you can bet your ass I would in a heartbeat.

[–]colintronfemtrails 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I dunno, my emoji review series is pretty woke.

[–]abstract_warriora commulist and a bolshevik 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's your channel, sounds dope

[–]HighOctaneNightmare 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funnily enough, I was just reading the comments section in a few of Milo Stewart's recent videos when I saw this post. Months and months after he committed the apparently heinous crime of suggesting that privileged classes ie men, whites, cisgenders, etc have unconscious biases, and hundreds of trolls are still leaving comments telling him to kill himself, misgendering him, thteatening to rape/kill him, just the worst type of transophobic and misogynistic hate speech you can imagine. Thousands of them subscribed to his channel just to leave dislikes and hateful comments without even watching the new videos.

The fact that these months-long harassment campaigns are allowed to continue completely unchallenged is exactly why there are so few feminist videos on the platform. Actually, Contrapoints, Shaun & Jen, and Ranting Feminist covered this topic a few months ago and called Bearing, the Amazing Atheist, LeafyisHere, and other 'professional victomizers' out for intentionally publishing outright attack pueces on small channels knowing full well that there legions of fans are going to swarm the comments section with death threats, slurs, doxing, slander, etc. until they leave youtube.

The only plus side is I think these guys have finally started to wear out their welcome, and there's a bit of a market right now in mocking their vanity, petty cruelty, and stupidity. That's why I don't think we should throw in the towel just yet.

[–]thorgod99 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully ma boy Jim Sterling won't ever disappoint.

[–]manwhatsit 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh, I mean I follow a lot of good people on youtube, but yeah ... the mass of audience seems to be badly infected with edge.

[–]CH0AM_N0MSKY☭☭Cultural Marxist☭☭ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's even worse because small leftist channels are pretty much done for if some shitstain like Bearing gets a hold of their video. Dogpiled instantly and harassed by thousands of people when most of their videos get maybe a few hundred views. People like Hbomberguy are big enough to negate this, but it's absolutely devastating for a small channel. I think the only one I can remember who pushed through that kind of abuse recently was Milo Stewart, and good on him.

Bonus fun game: Mention Bearing in your video without sucking his dick and watch the dislikes appear out of thin air!

[–]Quackersaurus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've pretty much given up with youtube as well. It was always bad but now it's just a cesspool of absolute cretins with anime avatars, complaining about how white guys in the first world who play video games all day are the most oppressed people in modern society. It's gotten to the point where if you come out in support of feminism, social justice, or oppose trump you get disliked into oblivion and branded as an 'sjw cuck'. These so called 'youtube intellectuals' that all these reactionary douchebags love for saying 'le truth' just spout a load nonsense about how the liberals are taking over the world, that is largely based on wild speculation and conspiracy theories.

One thing I've also noticed is these reactionary douchebags complain about how 'sjws' are taking over social media and accuse them of being in an echo chamber, despite the anti-sjw bandwagon being probably the biggest circlejerk on the entire internet, not to mention they complain about censorship while banning anyone who disagrees with them (see r/the_donald). The thing I've learned from all this is that if you want to be accepted and liked on the internet (particularly youtube in this case), it doesn't matter how much of a dick you are, how stupid you are and if you can't think for yourself, but as long as you reinforce peoples pre-existing beliefs and cater to them everyone will love you. Compassion, empathy and intellectualism can piss off.

[–]Eternium_Orean actual cultural marxist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, the whole recent YouTube ordeal is just... so depressing to me. I just want to watch some videos without those making them coming up in support of antisemitic views and leading children to Sargon, out of all people.

Man, the future looks really rough.

[–]tebrasd☠Skeleton Justice Warrior☠ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IP_E7efGWE , Kittens to make you feel better.

[–]PunyParker826 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

By "a youtuber called out another," do you mean Tana Mongeau and Idubbbz? Because Tana received backlash for being hypocritical and exaggerating her stories while trying to hurt another channel - not because she dared to bring up someone else's use of the N-word.

She didn't say, "I feel uncomfortable with you saying that." It was, "I hope you break both your legs, lose all your subs, and kill yourself."

[–]futuremd69 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Both sides were pretty bad. It wasn't necessary for IDubbz to say the N Word with the hard R.

[–]PunyParker826 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

From what I've seen, he's never used it in a racist context, directed towards black people. Tana, however, has.

In regards to the video, he was either using it referentially, or to provoke the reaction from Tana that he knew he'd get, to provide video proof for his response. I don't see an issue.

[–]abstract_warriora commulist and a bolshevik 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

On some level the n word always has a racist context.

[–]futuremd69 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Saying that n word is super fucked up no matter what the context is.

[–]PunyParker826 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Huckleberry Finn?

[–]SinisterBendGules 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless you are using it as a historical context for slavery ofc

[–]Meedina☭☭Cultural Marxist☭☭ 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even Casey Neistat, a huge liberal youtuber, is being vocal in his support of Pewdiepie.

Well, liberalism

[–]iamspacedadPsy-ops Specialist 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll let you in on a secret: Youtube has always been awful. And specifically where reactionaries are concerned, it got super awful around the early 2010s.

[–]remove_krokodilSocial Justice Commissar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with most of what you said, but the last sentence seems a bit too alarmist. Youtube is a massive platform. The number of completely apolitical kitten videos alone must by vast. It'll never have a unified political spectrum.

[–]NoxiousDogCloudfeminist gazpacho 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

All I saw from Casey is that he "supports free speech" but also that "free speech has consequences".

[–]Myghazithrowaway 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And he got crucified by the Bros and the Reddit Liberals for it.

[–]SoltheronCome to me, dark misanderers, battle awaits us. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

YouTube has been a shithole for years. It's much worse than Reddit.

[–]mcmanusaurHorticultural Marxist 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (12子コメント)

We really have got to permit ourselves to take a more nuanced approach to this topic. Just because Sargon is among the people defending PDP (for his own opportunistic reasons, no doubt) doesn't mean that everyone else defending PDP therefore also condones Sargon and his ilk. That said, I agree that it's extremely irresponsible of PDP to retweet Sargon's video regardless.

I share your concern that disturbing aspects of Youtube culture have been in the limelight lately, but we shouldn't rush to pick sides just because something affirms our view that online culture is deeply problematic (as true as that may be). The conflict between traditional and "new" media is nothing new, and we shouldn't have to act like only one of those parties bears responsibility in these kinds of situations.

For all we know, this rightward shift could be an indirect consequence of the election results. Either way, the best that we as advocates of social justice can do is exercise more self-awareness about whether our actions are likely to result in favorable outcomes.

[–]Siantlark 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (11子コメント)

At some point defense of Nazis and anti-semites normalizes their speech and creates a handhold for white supremacy and neo nazi language.

We can't have that. At all. Especially when fascism and neonazis are on the rise in the West. We need to hold people responsible for the consequences of their actions, and for the reasons they have for defending Nazis.

Free speech doesn't cut it anymore. Not when POC, undocumented immigrants and religious groups are in legitimate danger from hatred and intolerance caused by said "free speech."

[–]AmirHurwitzSyed 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Isn't that why we should be demanding that WSJ fires Fritz for his anti-Semitic tweets? That's why I can't claim one side is completely in the right. People have been fired for less offensive tweets than tasteless death camp "jokes," and as long as the WSJ condones his bigotry, they are saying it's okay for journalists of respected media outlets to normalize a anti-Semitic behavior.

[–]Siantlark 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sure. He should either apologize, as in truly apologize, or be fired from his position. Half assed "I'm sorry you were offended" apologies should not be accepted.

I don't see why one excludes the other.

[–]AmirHurwitzSyed -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's what I'm saying. PDP already got fired from his gigs. It's Fritz's turn, and I don't think an apology would be acceptable. He's had those tweets on his Twitter for years. He's clearly okay with it, and an apology would be out of obligation and not genuine remorse.

[–]Siantlark 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Still hasn't been banned from Youtube so doesn't do much against his influence and reach.

[–]zuubas 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know where PDP is heading now, but it seems to me we lost a long time ago with Carl, TJ, and various other literal abusers being popular beyond any other political channels. PDP hasn't yet even approached the kind of of shit they've been getting away with.

[–]Malacath_terumi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't say Tana got chastised or lost subscribers for nothing, i don't think there is a "good" use of the N-word, as it can even impress kids and other people to use it, as "non mean spirited" and "meanspirited" so it's for me the use of it is a big NO.

So i do think both of them are to blame of the use of the word, not a "she is more to blame because she say in a mean way" or "he is more to blame because he says it more" i think they both deserve criticism for it's use ,now, i think she lost subscribbers more for the hypocritical behavior of saying it's not ok for him to use, but still using it herself when her subs probably don't think it's ok to use the word, while his subs are totally fine with it.

[–]xXBillyZaneFanXxAlf-er male 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think, honestly, we're getting youtube back more than ever? It's a small pocket, but there's some scrappy mofos on there putting in some real work. I think we'd do better to bolster their ranks and help them out rather than abandon the platform, but it's not for everyone.

I genuinely think high-quality stuff like what hbomberguy and Shaun and Jen do, making their information more fun to watch, will be what you need to make this work. There's a lot of people who aren't shitty out there, and they're not saying anything on youtube in general because they know what the platform is like right now.

With a few trailblazers, I definitely feel like folks are carving out a solid community. Not taking over the platform, but giving folks an alternative to the trash.

[–]zeeblecroid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's important not to act as though it's a monolith. It's an enormous platform with hundreds of millions of users, so I'm not sure it can be utterly "won" or "lost" any more than national-scale societies can at this point. Boosting good people there, even on a small scale, is still going to be doing something, just like you say.