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ENOUGH TRUMP SPAM! Let's talk about how independents and Democrats (especially the DNC) can rework and reorganize for 2018! (self.EnoughTrumpSpam)

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Fuck Trump. Let's discuss our politics! Please. Enough Trump spam.

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[–]eggscores -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do people always think the name is literal?

[–]incessant_penguin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that what Trumpets used to say about his bullshit?

[–]inputmethod[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont. I get the point of the sub is to counter all the pro Trump subs. A great way to counter that would be to actually discuss politics counter to Trump's.

[–]environmentalent 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well I'm a socialist (not a social democrat like Sanders) and won't vote for a Democratic candidate unless the only alternative is a Republican. The DNC is just the other half of the pro-capitalist, two-party system. Capitalism is just a fancy way of saying a system where no matter how much value produced by the employees, the employer pays them as little as possible and takes the difference for themselves. I'm all for reforms short of actual worker control of business... but only if that's kept unwaveringly in mind. Thoughts?

[–]inputmethod[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm a fan of socialism and pretty far left economic ideologies.

I think realistically for the United States to achieve a leftist economic system it would take incremental and sustained shifting to the left. For example begin by reshaping the Democratic party to be farther left over the next 2 election cycles. Then if national elections shift back Republican it would still be farther left than the corporatism we have now.

[–]environmentalent 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Completely don't agree, every compromise with Democrats is always in favor of welfare capitalism and never in favor of the people doing the work. Sorry, I know that's a big stumbling block.

[–]veniceinperil 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But you see what happens if you don't vote Democrat. How is Trump better?

[–]environmentalent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If that's your starting position, they'll already have won after we compromise in the center of those positions. Which is ludicrous considering that it's all of us employees who do the work versus the very few employers who dictate how our livelihoods are operated. That's the left and the right, not Democrats and Republicans.

Besides, I thought OP created this thread specifically to get away from talking in terms of Trump. We need an actual positive platform for what we want to implement if we're ever going to sway the mass of people who do honest work and for whom it makes relatively little difference which of the two capitalist parties is in control at any point in time. Only by threatening a revolution in how business is operated can we stand in a position of strength to wrest reforms from them in the meantime.