Can we talk about the deletion of threads in r/Canada? [Meta]

orochi · 21時間前

I had a thread removed for editorialized title. It wasn't editorialized.

But this thread was up for days despite me modmailing and reporting it.

Likely only deleted because the OP deleted it (It says [deleted] not [removed]).

There's obvious bias in moderation practices here. The mods don't even bother hiding it

bipolar_sky_fairy · 23時間前

Can we also get rid of all the ones that are just people complaining about their phone bill, postal service, amazon shipment and/or online shopping experiences?

MoistIsANiceWord · 20時間前

I, too, have had quote unquote "conservative, non PC" posts of mine removed by the mods. One recent deletion was a video of ex-Muslim Sandra Solomon who sought asylum in Canada when she was under threat of an honour killing in Saudi Arabia. The video in question was her protesting about the threat of allowing Islam to enter into Canadian schools.

medym · 22時間前

I hate to say it, but it seems like these deletions are politically motivated - only certain types of threads are deleted.

Well, what can I then say to persuade you otherwise? Seriously not a day goes by that we do not get accused on holding any variety of biases.

All of the moderators here, and I genuinely mean this, are doing their bests to 'enforce' the rules we have established here as evenly as possible. It is a balancing act. We won't always get it right, but I can honestly say that I feel that the those on this team are acting with the best intentions. We might make mistakes, but we do try to find a middle ground.

On a given day we have hundreds of comments and posts reported to sift through. Some of the vilest crap I have seen online has been posted on this subreddit. So we try to use our best judgement and discretion. We won't make everyone happy, we know this. For every person saying Pam Anderson and her boobs are Canadian icons and everything newsworthy she does in relevant to Canada, is someone else pointing out that she is referring to laws in other countries.

I propose that articles from prominent Canadian media (e.g. Globe & Mail, CBC, National Post, Postmedia) be whitelisted as not being able to be removed under the "not relevant to Canada" rule. I am open to suggestions though, perhaps there is a better way or something that I am overlooking.

This is not, however /r/news, /r/worldnews, or anything else.

An article of Kim Jong-nam's death is featured by the CBC, as is Trump. By virtue of the CBC's coverage is it relevant to Canada? What about the Oscars?! Do Canadians not deserve keen insight from the CBC on how to plan an Oscar party?. Why not a delightful Aussie Meat Pie?.

Of course, the stories I offer are extremes of what Canadian media cover, but this is what makes the news on a daily basis. And yes, these are samplings of posts that have also been removed. We are always open to suggestions on what we can do better, but we are in a unique position to see the flood of these irrelevant articles that do spam the subreddit drowning out actually relevant content.

Clearly, this is absurd. I do not think that the rule should be used as a club to remove things that the moderators dislike. And certainly not when the thread already has hundreds of comments and a very positive vote ratio.

If we were removing things we dislike, a lot of crap would be removed. If there is something we dislike and think should be removed, we often consult with one another to make sure actions like this are balanced and done without bias influencing the moderation. On far too many occasions I am sending messages to my fellow mods or discussing issues with my fellow moderators on Slack. We have open lines of communication and it helps us try to do the best we can.

There are those who want drastically more removed, and those like you who want the doors flung open. So, please do not think that I am dismissing what you are presenting, but I simply want to provide you with my perception of things.

Akesgeroth · 19時間前

The first one you mention is dubious because it's not specifically Canada related. Pamela Anderson may be Canadian, but the issue itself isn't Canada specific, nor is she planning to focus her efforts on Canada. The other two deletions are debatable however. Opinion articles in Canadian papers discussing issues faced by canadians do belong on the sub.

What's really damning though is the threads which aren't removed. The Hawaiian pizza one is a good example. So are the damned Tim Hortons posts which are basically just advertisement.

VirginWizard69 · 19時間前

The posts are deleted because they slant to the right. The mods here are pro liberal. They do not want to permit contrary points of view.

garlicroastedpotato · 12時間前

If you were here two years ago you would know moderation has gotten 10x better. People used to make a text post with nothing in it that just said Fuck Harper. This post would receive 3000 up votes and double gold. I have not seen such a low content post since u/medym was made a moderator.

It used to be that if Harper said anything upsetting to one person that one person would post every website covering it using editoriaoized titles and then would post all the mobile versions. You would see the exact same story on the top of r/Canada 20 times.

I think right now the subreddit is in a better place. The page has a variety of topics, variety of images. Maybe people still care too much about electoral reform and not enough about candid photos of Newfoundland dogs....but at least the electoral reform articles are different.

I have gone from having two dozen people harassing me daily in PMs to just two. Either the mod team is cleaning house or there are less assholes in this subreddit.

kanada1st · 18時間前

This has been going on for awhile. Only left wing 'progressive' comments are welcome. Everything else will be banned in my experience. Ce la vie.

TheVirtuousVulcan · 7時間前

I disagree. Frankly, if you actually read the articles/posts in your examples, then anyone can see that those removed do not have a link to Canada (or have such a small link that it is not sufficient) and that those that remain do.

The posts about articles that were removed may have been interesting, but they were either entirely unconnected to Canada or they were related only in passing. The rules clearly state these should be removed. The Sun article about Anderson only had the connection that she was born here (and she hasn't lived here in a long time either). No content in the article concerned Canada. That's a very tenuous connection. The Wente article had only the connection that the journalist is Canadian. The article itself is purely opinion and not really about Canada. The Post article is about an actual event that happened in the US and isn't related to Canada at all - it is completely off-topic. I see no problem with removing any of these.

As for the posts that remained up... The article about pineapple pizza contains an interview with the inventor who is a Canadian. As boring as you might find the article, that is a clear link with Canada. The article about Canadian Tire failing to expand to the US is about the actions of a Canadian company. This is a very clear link to Canada and is not tenuous, like the other articles where the link was merely that a Canadian wrote the article or had been the one to say something. The self-post about the term 'libtard' was a discussion about not just the term, but it coming from the US to Canada and being used here. Again, a clear link to Canada.

It seems rather clear to me that you are attempting to make people think that the moderators are removing threads for political reasons in order to serve your own agenda. You dislike that content that you approve of and would like to have in this sub is being removed, even though it is in compliance with the rules, as I have demonstrated, so you claim that it is politically motivated. You probably hope that other people won't look too closely and will just see the apparent and superficial difference between the articles and conclude that you are right. But perhaps I am incorrect, so I will give you the opportunity to respond with more examples that prove that you were not being disingenuous. Of course, they must be from an appropriate time period to ensure that the moderators would have had time to choose to remove or not remove them.

chipsmagee · 23時間前

I had a post re: election reform in /r/PoliticalDiscussion that got deleted after a full day of comments and up-votes for being 'too loaded'. I was told by the mods I could create a new post by slightly rephrasing my question and it would be approved.

Maybe this post will bring visibility and help. I hope so.

Xsatis · 19時間前

This subreddit has the same cancerous moderation style as /r/politics

laimh_laidir · 8時間前

Uh-Oh.... Looks like you are having too much to think...

Reed_Solomon · 9時間前

I feel the mods here are a lot better than the mods in a lot of other subreddits like politics or news. But their greatest fault is in curating submissions for the flimsiest of excuses. Nobody is perfect though and I hope it isn't intentional.

DragonToutNu · 9時間前

Why not just lock those thread instead of deleting them? Add the reason in the title why it was lock. If the lock wasnt needed you'll get message from users and you can make a decision about unlocking or keeping it lock.

eastvanmom · 18時間前

at least its not as bad as the circle jerk on r/vancouver where merely mentioning "chinese" gets users banned on site without warning or explanation

castlite · 13時間前

Mods here are definitely delete-happy. God forbid you post anything too light or too heavy. Apparently, like Goldilocks, it can only be juuuust riiight....for their POVs.

gynganinja · 10時間前

As someone who hates all the political parties in this country and doesn't identify as left or right or even centrist my only gripe is with the Mods deleting comments that are neither bigoted or Islamaphobic but simply critical of Islam. Has happened to me several times and I find it along with M103 very concerning.

abacabbmk · 14時間前

Good post. Clearly the mods here lean a certain way and I'm not surprised to see deletions of those threads.

Such is social media I guess

Tumdace · 13時間前

You know what all those threads had in common? They criticize left leaning ideals.

FapEnergy · 1日前

Yes, I second this.

Freedom of expression is under section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

I understand this is a subreddit and not necessarily affiliated the Government of Canada. However I do believe the mods should uphold Canadian values to at least to comply with our Charter.

andrejw · 9時間前

Everyone knows r/MetaCanada is best Canada forum, the true free speech Canadian forum. r/Canada is just a step above North Korean or Iranian media

ScotiaTide · 1日前

Have you considered that these deleted threads may have been removed as duplicates? I remember most of those articles being widely discussed here. Sometimes people post the same article multiple times and all but one get deleted as garbage collection.

borga · 19時間前

You have to understand that Mod is one letter away from God. /s

But seriously, I had one post removed because I added one word to the title that wasn't in the original. Reason: I "editorialized" the title. And interestingly it was a similar topic to the ones that OP pointed out as removed.

ghstrprtn · 13時間前

implying that this sub, which is brigaded 24/7 by meta-canada Ayn Rand shitters, is actually run by libby-rolls

jesusporkchop · 16時間前

This whole thread just sounds like people bitching that r/canada needs to be more like r/metacanada.

No thanks.

junius_maltby · 22時間前

There are many reasons why r/Canada is becoming a flaming garbage heap, but the mods deleting things like Margaret Wente op-eds and Rex Murphy's apologism for Milo Yiannopoulos are not among them.

Celda · 7時間前

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I-Seek-To-Understand · 6時間前

Can't trust mods. Ever.

losstriangle · 23時間前

I don't think there is anything wrong with removing clickbaity and inflammatory opinion articles, even if they come from traditional Canadian media.

Sorry, but I don't see any merit in inviting people's opinions on whether men are falsely accused of rape and whether Pamela Anderson should or shouldn't champion that cause.

Similarly, I don't see any value in hosting the torrent of comments arguing whether women are privileged or not.

Banter about silly and lighthearted things like pizza toppings is not in the same ballpark and deliberately clickbaity and inflammatory dialogue that is offensive and hurtful to some people.

So as non-moderator I support those deletions, even though I did not report them.

VelvetJustice · 7時間前

I hate to say it, but it seems like these deletions are politically motivated - only certain types of threads are deleted.

You cannot possibly see the reports we receive nor the comments/submissions we remove, so you don't know what we are or aren't removing. Unfortunately some people either aren't familiar with this subreddit's rules, or are familiar with them and simply refuse to abide by them - and that's why their comments/submisions get removed. Unfortunately there's always a small subset of individuals who seem to believe there's a conspiracy to remove their posts for some convoluted reason... usually this manifests in an accusation of alleged personal bias, or some alleged shadowy agenda on behalf of the Moderating Team.

I can really only speak for myself on this matter, but when it comes to moderating a reported comment, I look at the content of the post, and if it is in accordance with the rules, I do nothing. If the reported comment is indeed in violation of the rules, regardless of who the poster is or what their comment is about, it will be removed. I don't play favourites and I don't care about the subject at hand: my one and only concern is whether or not the rules are being violated.

Of course, most people understandably become upset when their post is removed. We try to explain removals when posters contact us to ask, but even so many times posters simply refuse to believe us, even if the violation is clear-cut. You have no idea how many times I have tried to explain to people that there is no loophole that could possibly justify some of the vile personal attacks I have removed - and yet these posters will argue until they're blue in the face that they should have some special right to insult and harass others just because of a difference of beliefs.

Now to address your specific complaints:

For instance, this thread was deleted

Yes, it was removed as a violation of rule 6: Submission Content - Posts which relate to Canada only in passing (e.g. mens rights vs womens rights arguments) will also likely be removed. Although a Canadian citizen was featured in the article, the article was discussing events abroad and was only minimally related to Canada. Furthermore, the moderating team has learned that these "gender wars" types of threads unfortunately seem to bring out the worst in people and result in multiple reports, which is why in general these are removed. There are many other subreddits where interested individuals can go to debate gender issues, and unless the issue is very specifically related to Canada, you can continue to expect the removal of such submissions.

Or, this piece in the National Post by Rex Murphy

Once again, this seems to be clearly a violation of rule 6: Submission Content. The article in question does not discuss Canada, and in fact focuses primarily on the USA. The reason for the removal of this article should be obvious and clearly justified to anyone who is familiar with this subreddit's rules.

Meanwhile, other threads with similar (ir)relevance to Canada - but do not have similar political affiliation - are left untouched. Example: The inventor of pineapple pizza defends the pizza, after it is criticized by the Icelandic president: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/5vfnzh/canadian_inventor_of_hawaiian_pizza_defends/

To the contrary, that article very clearly references Canada. It is a relevant and appropriate submission and as such would not be removed. Nobody reported it, either. Just because you personally do not feel it is relevant, does not mean it should be removed, especially since this article is not in violation of this sub's rules.

Or this self-post complaining about the use of phrases like "libtard": https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/5ropy0/it_really_saddens_me_when_i_see_political/

That self-post was also not reported, and although it seems to be somewhat low in content in general, it is relevant to this forum. We regularly receive reports from individuals frustrated with being personally attacked (in clear violation of the rules). The use of these terms ("cuck," "libtard," "conservitard," etc.) do not contribute positively to any discussion and are in violation of rule 2: Rabble-rousing - Don't be rude or hostile. & Don't conduct personal attacks on other users.

Or this post about a Canadian company's failed expansion into the US: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/5vjujs/til_canadian_tire_tried_to_expand_into_the_us_in/

This submission is relevant to Canada, was not reported, and I fail to see your objection to the submission.

I do not think that the rule should be used as a club to remove things that the moderators dislike.

Clearly this is not what is happening, as the members of the Moderating Team regularly approve all sorts of personal comments and article submissions with which we may personally disagree. So long as a comment or submission is not in clear violation of the rules, we will not take moderating action. However, those which are in violation of the rules, will be acted upon.

Hopefully this clears the matter up for you.

-oopsie-poopsie- · 22時間前

Honestly, in my opinion gender war drama comes up far too often in this subreddit and I appreciate mod-effort in giving us at least a few days break between threads.

xuxjafavi · 4時間前

I'm confused.. if it's deleted, then how is it still there?

Sidewinder77 · 3時間前

I've been on reddit for 11-years. In my experience, this kind of thing has been going on in /r/Canada for 11-years.

You should have seen what it was like in the old days. It was really bad.

dontPM_me_anything · 12時間前

It's totally fascinating to watch people who hold diametrically opposed views join together in unison to attack the mods for political bias. Call me Canadian, but when I have a comment removed for "rabble-rousing", I say to myself, that's fair, and I move on.

Keep up the good work Mod team, the silent majority appreciates your efforts, I'm sure.

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