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Dylann Roof, an evil man. Robert Daggart, fits the profile. Alexandre Bissonnette, a Canadian, but fits the profile. Mair is British, but fits the profile. Robert Lewis Dear is obviously insane, I wouldn't say he belongs to the AltRight in any sense.

I'm not seeing the epidemic though. The fact that you can come up with a half-dozen names of independent operators (you forgot Anders Breivik), is "balanced" by killers from the Left, Andrew Joseph Stack, John Patrick Bedell, Roger Stockham, Aaron Alexis, Jerad and Amanda Miller, and Craig Hicks among others.

You can give most of these killer political motives, but for the most part they're just isolated actions; neither the Right nor the Left support these people.

There's one group committing the majority of the terrorism in the world and the US, and even if they're not involved directly, the terrorists are definitely associating themselves with that group. It's also been shown to be true that many of the "attacks" on people by "Trump supporters" during the election turned out to be a hoaxes.

When I see riots on TV and cars being burned, my first thought isn't "the AltRight again," but "which Leftist group is upset now?"

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killers from the Left, Andrew Joseph Stack, John Patrick Bedell, Roger Stockham, Aaron Alexis, Jerad and Amanda Miller, and Craig Hicks among others.

You should really be ashamed of yourself for trying to pass those off as being "from the left." I really don't see how you could have accidentally been so wrong. It's too egregious. It must be intentional. I guess this is part of the new conservative tactic of pretending right-wing terrorists are "leftist." We see them try to do it with the KKK all the time now.

You really tried to list Jerad and Amanda Miller as examples of people from the "left?" The joined the Bundys during their standoff with the feds in 2014, and the Bundys made them leave because their views were too radical even for the Bundys. Jerad Miller frequently espoused hatred for the federal government and Barack Obama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings

Same with Roger Stockham. He tried to bomb a mosque, and he considered Timothy McVeigh a hero. Back in the 1970s, he was accused of threatening Jimmy Carter. Sorry, but this is another example of right-wing terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Dearborn_mosque_bombing_plot

John Patrick Bedell was a mentally ill person who was institutionalized several times. He was a registered Democrat, but he maintained a Libertarian blog. On his blog, he complained about the size of the federal government, organized theft by the government of citizen's personal property, and government control of the economy including the constantly expanding regulation of business. Does that sound like a "leftist" to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pentagon_shooting

Andrew Joseph Stack was a "tax protester" who flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin, TX. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea he was a "leftist." Republican Congressman Steve King came to his defense, saying that if we had abolished the IRS, this never would have happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack

Aaron Alexis -- On August 4, 2013, naval police were called to Alexis' hotel at Naval Station Newport and found that he had "taken apart his bed, believing someone was hiding under it, and observed that Alexis had taped a microphone to the ceiling to record the voices of people that were following him." There's no information about his political views.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting

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Jerad and Amanda Miller were also part of Occupy Wall Street. They weren't right-wing; they hated law enforcement, they were anti-government anarchists. Anarchy is associated with the Left side of the political spectrum.

Roger Stockham was pretty much an all-around lunatic, but he converted to be a Sunni Muslim, called himself "Hem Ahadin," and then decided to attack a Shia mosque. He's certainly not AltRight.

John Patrick Bedell is another guy that's an anarchist. He believed that 9/11 was done by the government and hated Bush and the government in general. Anarchy is the Left.

The difference between the Right and the Left in terms of government, is that Conservatives and Libertarians want to reform and shrink the size and scope of government, Leftists and Anarchists want to overthrow the government.

Timothy McVeigh wasn't "AltRight" either. He rejected Christianity and said the US government was a worse war criminal than Saddam Hussein. He was anti-government, not pro-small government.

Also, take a look at Timothy McVeigh and the sketch of "John Doe #2." Then look for a picture of Jose Padilla/Abdullah al-Muhajir. I'm not a particular fan of conspiracy theories, but even McVeigh's defense lawyer insists he had outside, probably foreign help, he was guilty, but he wasn't capable of organizing the attack, let alone constructing the bomb.

EDIT: You added to your list since I first replied.

Andrew Joseph Stack was anti-IRS, but he was also anti-G.W. Bush, anti-Catholic, anti-coporation, and anti-capitalism. He ended his suicide note by praising Communism and condemning Capitalism. Communism is the Left.

Aaron Alexis was a mentally ill Black man. A friend said he disliked Bush, but was pretty happy with Obama. He also created a webpage where he announced his name was now "Mohammed Salem," but no one is aware if he converted to Islam. It's a toss-up, he's either a mentally ill Democrat, or a mentally ill Muslim terrorist, or maybe he's just mentally ill. Whichever option you choose, he certainly wasn't "AltRight."

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They are legitimate, you just don't like the examples. I don't see where praising Communism or joining Occupy Wall Street identify you with being Right Wing.

Black Lives Matter advocates violence against law enforcement and Communism, are they ambiguous? You had elected officials in the US government who had been KKK members, they weren't right wing, the KKK is not a right wing organization.

The Right or the AltRight is a catch-all for anyone Liberals disagree with, they don't identify any particular ideology. I'm sure you consider me an AltRight guy, but my personal family and extended family are multi-interracial, my best friend is Haitian, my brother is gay, a former co-worker who was Muslim had a profound and positive effect on my life, my current co-workers are almost exclusively Indian, I'm a Catholic who performs charitable social outreach, and I've always lived in integrated neighborhoods. But I'm a horrible racist guy because I preferred Trump to Clinton and I think a particular strain of Islamism is a danger to Muslims and non-Muslims alike, and I don't believe some individual white assholes are the real threat to the world.

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If you look around this topic you'll see that I've given multiple in-depth examples and responses to several different people; I'm not just shouting my opinions as fact. You're judging me based on one response to one person.

But I'm not going to give a serious response to someone who believes that there's some conspiracy to fake abortion videos in order to discredit Planned Parenthood. I don't want to enter another debate over when it's okay to kill babies because not one person ever gets pregnant and tells everyone "I'm having a fetus!"

Also, the fact is that I just voted for a different person. I'm not evil, or inbred, or stupid, or AltRight, or a Christian fanatic, or Neo-Nazi, I just preferred Trump to Hillary. This notion that casting a vote for a different presidential candidate makes you a terrible person is complete bullshit.

Every four years I become a Nazi because every Republican is literally Hitler. Bush was Hitler, Cheney was Hitler, Reagan was Hitler, Romney was Hitler, and every other Republican is a Nazi. There's the stereotyping: democrats were in the KKK, democrats enacted racial segregation, democrats turned away Jewish refugees fleeing extermination, and democrats locked up people based solely on their ethnicity and race, but Republicans are the real Nazis.

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