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[–]sixsexsixIdentitarian 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why is multiculturalism a good thing?

Because tacos.

[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember during Trump's primary run I saw Mexican protesters holding signs that said "No Mexicans, No Tacos."

Motherfuckers it doesn't take a genius to make a fucking taco.

[–]GeraldoSemPavor 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The left: "ethnic food"

That's about the best you'll get.

[–]NothingMuchHereToSayWhite Nationalist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's literally the ONLY justified argument that I see from psychotic maniac leftists that praise their "ethnic diversity". Yet it's still hypocritical of them considering the fact that the ethnic food of theirs isn't really theirs, they're culturally appropriating it from other stuff and to the Leftists that's a big no-no.

Another argument I hear on occasion (I've used it myself when I was one of those Liberal nutballs) is that immigrants do jobs that us straight white men with our white privilege don't want to do, yet forget that Affirmative Action is in place to where whites are discriminated against here in America at least.

[–]BadResults 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I expect this post will receive significant challenge, but I'm commenting in good faith. My comments here are more practical than substantive. Please note that I am posting links to some studies/papers not with the belief that they rebut all of your premises, but simply to show that not all of this is a foregone conclusion and there is some debate as to the effects of diversity.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a homogeneous society, though I expect it would become stagnant, and weak on the world stage - regardless of the ethnicity of the inhabitants.

However, there are two (related) major obstacles to the creation of a homogeneous white nation. Both are practical in nature, and essentially boil down to the fact that creating a country out of an existing one is very hard, and most people won't support it.

First, no first world or G20 countries are ethnically homogeneous, unless ethnicity is defined so broadly as to become meaningless. I specify first world or G20 because these are the kinds of places where white nationalists are calling for ethnically homogeneous nations. There are no major ethnically homogeneous white nations at present. The bell of diversity has been rung across the western world, and it cannot be unrung. Wherever there is even a tiny minority in a country with constitutional guarantees of equality, there are serious difficulties with homogenization.

This means that creating a white state would require either destroying an existing country (or at least having a meaningful part secede) or somehow exporting all non-whites (however defined). This will face obvious political difficulties.

Dividing up an existing country (including by secession without civil war) would require constitutional amendment, which will generally require a supermajority of the relevant legislature and/or the approval of the sub-national geopolitical divisions such as states or provinces. This is politically impossible at present.

Exporting the undesirables (even if purely by positive financial incentives) would also require constitutional amendment, as any such policy would be contrary to the bills of rights of the relevant countries.

In the USA, approving a constitutional amendment requires 2/3 vote of Congress and the Senate or a 3/4 vote of the state legislatures (I simplified the process, but those are the numbers). According to Wikipedia (boo, hiss) non-Hispanic Whites make up 63.7% of the American population. That's less than 2/3, and significantly less than 3/4. Accordingly, any constitutional amendment to eliminate the constitutional rights of minorities (which will be required in order to effect even the mildest of policies for the export of non-whites) will require the cooperation and votes of those minorities. This difficulty will only get larger as America continues to turn brown. Moreover, as I will discuss in my second point, many white people will also oppose homogenization.

The other option to create a homogeneous society - which would not require the cooperation of a supermajority of the country - is of course civil war. Um, good luck with that. That always works out great. Bear in mind that many people - including many white people - put national pride or patriotism above their racial pride or ethnic nationalism. Also bear in mind that military and police members of most countries swear oaths to defend their country, its constitution, and/or its people. They usually take these oaths seriously.

The second obstacle is that the majority of people in Western countries don't want a homogeneous society. Bear in mind that people may be anti-immigration but not necessarily pro-homogeneity - their concern is usually with outsiders entering their country, not with established minorities within their borders.

Note that more than 75% of respondents from each of the US, UK, Australia, and Canada (among others) indicated that their community was accepting of people from other racial, ethnic, and cultural groups (see http://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/details/society/acceptance-of-diversity.aspx but the data is derived from the Gallup World Poll). Most people in the western world accept diversity.

Yes, some studies suggest that diversity may harm social cohesion. Few people will deny that there are challenges associated with diversity (as with anything, including economic development, internal law enforcement, and national defence).

However, other studies (see e.g. Letki, 2007: https://www.nuffield.ox.ac.uk/politics/papers/2005/NLetki_social%20capital%20and%20diversity_final.pdf) indicate that socioeconomic status is more important, and that only those diverse communities that are economically disadvantaged have social cohesion issues.

Some research suggests that diversity accelerates technological and economic development and homogeneity slows it down in an industrialized society (see e.g. Ashraf and Galor, 2011: http://www.nber.org/papers/w17640.pdf). Diversity of businesses and their leadership teams is strongly linked to higher returns (see the multiple studies from McKinsey & Co.). The biggest factor is the exchange of different ideas and perspectives, which aids innovation. Innovation-based industries such as the technology, biotechnology, and pharmaceutical industries in particular love diversity.

Diversity appears to be a good thing from a technological and economic standpoint at least, and many people (particularly on the traditional right) believe that what's good for a given country's economy is generally good for the country and it's people. Many people (again, particularly on the right - see the common argument for Trump) believe that good business leadership carries over to good political leadership.

Economic strength enables all other kinds of strength. It is required for a strong military, to allow time and investment in cultural activities, and to allow time and investment in technological advancement.

Of course, I know that white nationalists generally prioritize preserving their ethnicity/culture/race over most other political considerations, including the economy. But what's the point of having an ethnically ideal country if it's shit aside from that? Myself and virtually everyone else I know care more about having a decent job, good standard of living, and living in a decent neighbourhood than the color of the skin of the people around us. You will note that a great deal of mainstream anti-immigration sentiment is premised on economic arguments (e.g. they're taking away jobs, or they're going on welfare).

What this second point boils down to is that the majority of people (on the left for primarily egalitarian ideological reasons, and on the right for economic reasons as well as egalitarian ideals) simply will not support efforts for a homogeneous society of any kind, because diversity (which is a separate issue from immigration) is generally seen as a net benefit.

TL;DR: Aside from civil war or secession (which would likely lead to civil war), efforts to create an ethnically homogeneous nation are bound to fail due to a lack of popular support (for economic reasons and by reason of egalitarian ideals - even if not everyone believes all people are created equal, most believe all should have equal opportunity and equal protection under the law). Moreover, as the trends of the past 50 years towards increasing diversity and increasing acceptance of diversity continue, popular support for a white ethnostate will diminish.

TL;DRx2: a western white ethnostate is a pipe dream.

[–]sixsexsixIdentitarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Diversity of thought appears to be good. Racial diversity is not necessarily the same tho. I think there may be something to racial diversity if we're only talking about high IQ people/groups. That isn't even close to our reality tho. Nice post.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This has been my point altogether, but never took the time to put it so succinctly. Well done.

[–]ThatGreekLadyNationalist[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The point isn't that I personally support creating a homogeneous society but that multiculturalism is not a bad thing. There are also examples of homogeneous societies that are economically advanced. For example China and Japan.

[–]BadResults 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Japan is probably the best example of a successful ethnically homogenous industrial/post-industrial nation, though it is currently facing some stagnation issues. They do have some minorities (such as the native Ainu and Ryukyuan people as well as immigrant minorities), but the government is actually insistent that all Japanese citizens are the same ethnicity. However, Japan did not become an industrialized nation on its own - it was catapulted into modernity through its interactions with the West.

China is less homogenous, and has historically had a lot of intermingling of various Asian sub-ethnicities as well as significant interaction with South Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and, since around Renaissance times, with Europe. While its history definitely puts it high on the list of advanced pre-industrial societies, it, like Japan, only became industrialized through its interactions with the West. It was close to industrialization for a very long time, but still remained primarily agrarian until the 20th century.

Of course, I'm sure many will take this as a clear example that the Western nations (and therefore the "white race") is superior, as they started industrialization and were the cause of many other nations' modernization, but that's a different debate altogether.

We should all bear in mind that the rise to world domination of Western Europe and the British Empire in particular only became possible as a result of the interaction of different cultures, nationalities, and races. The Germanic peoples (i.e. the peoples that most white nationalists place on a pedestal) were outright barbarians during the height of the great Mediterranean civilizations (Greece, Rome, Egypt) and were well behind the Middle East and China in terms of technological, economic, and social development throughout the majority of their history. The great advancements of Western Europe during the medieval and renaissance periods were largely due to rediscovering knowledge from Greek and Roman sources, as well as interactions and technological borrowing from Byzantium, Islamic peoples, India, and China.

Ironically (because of the alt-right's rejection of Enlightenment thought) the constitutional protection of individual freedoms and legal protection of private property (i.e. the legal codification of classical liberal/Enlightenment ideals) and a public attitude of individualism, entrepreneurial spirit, and innovation (also essentially Enlightenment thinking) were critical in starting the Industrial Revolution, which led to the dominance of the British Empire and Western Europe more generally.

The modern success of the West doesn't have much to do with the fact that it arose from largely white people. It has more to do with the legacy of Rome, the cross-cultural exchange of ideas, and the legal and cultural implementation of Enlightenment thought.

[–]ItsTheKikes 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kevin Macdonalds Culture of Critique goes into detail why multiculturalism was promulgated by the media. His conclusion is to keep Jews from being outsiders. Like inviting a bunch of ugly girls to a party so you look relatively hot. Fracture white hegemony.

[–]thealtright 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tell me please, why should I accept multiculturalism? Why is multiculturalism a good thing?

This is really a question you should ask in one of the subs that are pro-multiculturalism rather than here except if you did ask this question in one of those subs they would just call you a Nazi, ban you and then talk amongst themselves, seething with hate in a mob mentality, about how they will violently assault you and pepper spray you and piss and shit on you because you are not as "tolerant" as them and you are not a human being you are evil Nazi scum.

[–]sixsexsixIdentitarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you heard that diversity makes groups better at problem solving? Very popular article that gets thrown around as evidence of the pros of diversity. Any response to that?

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because you have no other choice

[–]sixsexsixIdentitarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why is that?

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

People will keep moving, migrating, mixing.. You can control it to some extent, but not completely.

[–]sixsexsixIdentitarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How does Japan control it?

[–]Rameses_2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When America was mostly European Americans, it contained British, German, Polish, Italian, Hugenots, Catholics, Puritans, Jews, etc. that were culturally different from each other and religiously different from each other. If you happened to not be of WASP descent, you were at a disadvantage. In that context, melting-pot multiculturalism permitted everyone to live decent lives without being second-class citizens.

Of course, multiculturalism isn't intrinsically good, and when combined with non-Western cultures that have dissimilar systems, can create major problems.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nothing wrong with it. It's just naive and unrealistic to think you can force complete homogeneity in today's world.

[–]CarlotheNordWhite Nationalist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I point you to China, Korea, and Japan.

Anything is possible, we went to the moon for Christ's sake.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Keep dreaming when thirty percent of the US population is of foreign origin

[–]CarlotheNordWhite Nationalist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And I'm willing to bet that almost 10% or more will leave on their own the moment we put policies in place that mean they have to adapt. English only, no more illegals, anchor babies gone, no more affirmative action, no more minority bias.

If it takes the break up of the US, then that will be the goal. The US will crumble without whites, plain and simple. If the foreigners were capable of building a society as good as or better than ours, they would have. Instead they come from shitholes, and bring those problems from him with them.

I don't care if your doctor is Hispanic, that's what an outlier is.

[–]edessasailCatholic 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget no more welfare. They will be gone without welfare.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, again: breaking up of the US to get at least 10% of the population out? As another poster said it, this is just a pipe dream.

[–]CarlotheNordWhite Nationalist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That 10%, if you want to talk about blacks which are roughly 13% of the pop, commits over 50% of the crime in the US, period. 60% of homicides are black on black crime.