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[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You didn't get much into her strategy to achieve her Security, Status, Escape, but in a word it's:


Manipulation

Women achieve their goals by stealth.

As men all that matters is that we acknowledge her ambitions and recognize the treachery in her Charms. When you sense this everything works out fine.

Problems come about when men think women are honest.

Red Pill simply accepts that manipulation is the accepted rule.

Charm is good. Charm is female Game. Charm signifies intelligence and mate worthiness.

[–][deleted] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If she complains that things are shabby, that her friends are doing better, that she is unappreciated, or underpaid, that she works harder than others and gets less, that other women are bitchy and gossipy and that she does more than her share of work around the house these - are all complaints about status.

What are some strategies that a man can adapt to deal with these work related situations?

I've come across dozens of woman with college educations working dead end jobs. They complain that their job sucks and that they are not satisfied.

Is this their way of saying if the male was to commit to them that they would no longer work period?

Perhaps this is a scenario where you "let them vent", acknowledge their cries - without saying anything or offering advice, and carry on.

[–]Chiveronreddit 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd like to hear an answer to this as well. It sounds like you have a woman that complains a lot about her job as do I. According to her, most of the time she just needs to vent. I can actually see the truth in this because if I let her vent, don't offer advice or much at all other than signs that I am listening, she's usually good for that day. We can proceed with our night regularly and happily.

Thing is she started to do this every day. It was wearing on me and I think as I'm typing this out I realize what it was that made it better. She recently had another job opportunity come up that was really appealing to her. The company pursued her and wanted her to start right away. Everything seemed good but the hours which was a dealbreaker for her. She ended up not taking the job, and continuing with her current one, that she supposedly hates.

Now nothing has changed with her current job but suddenly she's much happier every day after work. Why? Is it possible that another company wanting her has increased her status? Or at least her perceived status?

[–]vainglory7 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always pay attention to that phase in the relationship. At any given point - usually early on - she turns from "everything is great and I'm really happy and cute all the time." Into..."my job sucks, people are out to get me, I work so much harder than so and so....blah blah blah."

I always get a laugh when that phase starts, the tone completely changes, and I always hear my inner monologue say, "oh, so I guess we're at that point where she thinks it's ok to just use me as a pin cushion and bitch to me about whatever?"

[–]thewrightstuff88 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a man, you would want to logically provide a solution...ie. if she is unappreciated, tell her to not to worry about what others think, or if she is under paid, you would tell her to get another job with better pay...however, what she wants is just someone to vent to, she could hardly care less about fixing the situation, just that someone listens and gave her ATTENTION, because she basically wants to FEEL wanted...fucking feelings man, just gotta accept the way they are and find a way to move past it

[–]acorn_dick 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have encountered this, too. I think it fits with this post in the "escape" category. My g/f would always complain about work, and talk about her dream of running a bakery or some such fun/hobby job. I do think that deep down it was probably her view that if we got married or something that she would quit and do whatever the fuck she wanted under the pretense of raising the kids or whatever.

I think in this day in age it'd be tough to keep a woman occupied if she didn't have a job. Chores don't take a full day, kids go off to school, etc. My mother quit to "raise the kids," and she reduced her obligation to cooking and housekeeping once we went off to school. The rest of the time she bitched and freaked out over nothing. My beta father was unwilling to do anything other than turn up to work, so planning was left to her. She designed family vacations around her interest in antiques and various self-serving things that were boring as hell for everyone except her.

I tend to agree with the TRP sentiment that you as a man must be like a company, and women are candidates for employment. What are the job requirements going to be? Cook dinner and that's it? Is bitching for an hour every evening not a blatant waste of time, and is it not insubordination to the manager (you)? Is spending lots of money on things not directly useful for the company not an infraction (e.g. my mother's massive antiques collection which sat in our house and didn't earn a penny, though she could have easily run a lucrative business if it was mandated)? Is coming up with bullshit reasons that she needs to nap all day and watch daytime TV not a fire-able offense?

This isn't to minimize the way my father wasn't contributing by being a total beta. I blame both of them. A good manager wouldn't let an employee walk all over him and bring down the company. A good employee wouldn't work for a shitty manager because self-managing sucks when you're trying to do the job, too. Bad manager and bad employee are enablers (codependent) to one another. It is a covert contract to be less than your best selves. An agreement to give only 80% or 60%. An agreement to get fat or let health decline, to let functional addictions flourish, to let home life and dinner devolve into narcissistic ranting, bitching, and fear-mongering, and/or to let social life and enriching activities all but disappear.

With my parents, there was such a power void that my mother just turned all resources toward her narcissistic vision (status and escape). The family unit's sole purpose became for her to appear like a "model mother," and for her to become a wealthy and skilled antiques collector.

Manager is not superior to employee / man is not superior to woman. They are just different roles. Manager has to define the role for the employee, though, not the other way around. To me this is a good analogy for TRP, especially TRP marriage. I guess the answer then is to define the role for your "wife" job position (in your head). Then find a suitable candidate, and be ready to demote or fire for insubordination or unwillingness to perform in the role.

[–]reel_nikkas_dot_com 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

hey man can u provide your red pill brothers with a reading list from your psychologist: his favorite authors, textbooks, his mentors etc

[–][deleted] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And to dig deeper; her happiness is derived from how others view her

[–]1User-31f64a4e 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's the status thing.

I think it ties in with the reply to the OP highlighting manipulation. Women's indirection and frequent use of manipulation makes social standing very important to them. A man is more likely to just buckle down and do something; not the innate female approach.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Interestingly when I saw the title I thought it was going to be a post about the holy trinity of things WE need and should constantly strive for as MEN.

We need security, primarily financial, to allow us to live in a position of freedom so that our choices are as unencumbered as possible and so that we don't owe anybody anything. Otherwise expressed as 'the position of fuck you.' A good TRP example is the frequent advice to avoid debt and not live beyond your means.

We need our status to be high and moving only upwards. On a correct interpretation of TRP, it is not status per se that we need and pursue, but rather we strive constantly towards our goals in life which have the incidental effect of increasing our status. The most obvious TRP example is lifting; you don't do it to acquire some intangible 'status', you do it to become stronger, bigger and fitter which has the effect of making you more attractive and increasing your status among both men and women.

And our need for escape is very closely linked with the other 2 needs but unlike the woman's need for escape, for men it is more like the need to have an escape route, to be 100% unafraid to use it and to be willing to let others know that you are unfraid to use it. It is another common TRP theme expressed in various different ways. Those interested in spinning plates will tell you to make sure that you have multiple plates to avoid oneitis, which is an emotional state which will make you less willing to use your escape route. Patrice O'Neal expressed it as 'never be afraid to take a loss.' And those who discuss LTRs and relationship game will frequently discuss the merits of dread game, which is essentially your communication to your LTR that you have an escape route (to other women ideally) and that you will use it if necessary.

That was an interesting parallel to me. In any case, excellent post OP. Your examples are perfect to illustrate the ideas.

[–]RICCIedm 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yea, looks like this applies to all humans, not just womyn

[–]forgeror 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well.. At the end of the day.. Men.. Women.. We are all humans.. And basically want the same things.. It's just the emphasis and priorities on what we want and how we try to achieve them is different..

Men.. Women.. We aren't black or white. Just different shades of grey..

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may seem like we want the same things in principle but clearly men and women interpret concepts like security, status and escape very, very differently. For example Patrice made a great point once about how a female derives a huge amount of her status from a male, which is the purpose of hypergamy. He gave the example of a peasant woman marrying a King and becoming a Queen, thus seeing a huge surge in her status simply due to her choice of mate, and contrasted it with a peasant man marrying a Queen - he does not become King but merely the Queen's husband. Instead, men must derive their status from a wide range of other pursuits. This takes much more effort than simplying choosing the right mate but has the advantage that our status is under our control and is not tied to another person who could leave us at any time.

[–]stevredpill 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks so much for contributing valuable content to this sub. Legit ass fucking post.

[–]pinakion 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Doesn't this apply equally to men? Aren't we all "[seeking] to consistently improve [our] feeling of security, [our] perceived status, and [our] ability to escape the demands and restrictions of [our lives].”

[–]rpscrote 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kinda. See ErasmusOrgasmus's post above, very good view on it. The devil is in the details. Just like how you can say men and women both eat food, are conscious, etc. The way we perceive and receive happiness from things are very different.

[–]pinakion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think his example of the peasant queen demonstrates some fundamental difference between men and women. A man who marries a very beautiful woman also derives status from that alliance, hence the concept of trophy wives.

[–]ActuallyARaptor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey just read your comment from last week, glad to see that you actually came through and elaborated! Great post

[–]adamrgisom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In most of this post, you could have replaced the word 'women' with 'people'.

[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this post is incredible, to put it lightly. thanks heaps. please provide a follow up post with a list of resources your counselor used to glean this information. best wishes brother

[–]makesomewyrms 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

don't men have the same needs of security status and escape but more toward ourselves?

we need to be secure about what we're doing were we're going and how we're going to achieve that

we need to be respected by our peers

we need from time to time to let go, have fun, stop taking everything so seriously and enjoy the thrill of risk

[–]ContinentalRP 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably changed my view the most since the powertalk post already. Great tool to have, this filter.

[–]thebluepillsucked 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

great post... i see this constantly in the women i deal with. this is also a great way of explaining "AF/BB" with "Escape"

[–]UntraceableRP 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your bit on a spike in success leading to a post-dive in happiness emulates the case of the Alpha Widow

[–]Unbreakable_576 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're into project management methodologies....you could say their approach to attaining these desires follow an Agile pm approach rather than the traditional Waterfall approach. In other words, they don't have to achieve one of these pillars before moving on to the conquering the other.

[–]140Watts 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it just me or does this apply to all people?