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[–]unioncast 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (3子コメント)

When Marvel puts out some good content, SJW's moan about it, and Marvel refuses to cave to their moaning, I'll believe it.

[–]Majin-Tenshinhan 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed, there's a LOT Marvel has to do to repair their burned bridges with me, this looks like a start, but they'll have to put in a hell of a lot of work to have any hope of getting me to buy their stuff again.

[–]RobertNAdams 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we're seeing standard business practice in action here, truly. People bitched about something, the company changed. The company lost money. They have since realized that the changes they made have been much more detrimental than the bitching so they're changing course.

[–]pineconecandle 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My thoughts exactly. They're gonna have to do more than just buy me a dozen roses if they want me to forgive them.

[–]ShadistsRedditMod: Chaotic-Good 237 ポイント238 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well that doesn't reek of "You can't fire me, I quit" :)

[–]Conundrum-NSA 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OK, no unemployment benefits for you then.

[–]goldencornflakes 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or what the public sees more often in modern business: "X was asked to resign."

[–]VeteranGaming 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feels good man. Kek answers the call.

[–]2ndEarlofRoch 173 ポイント174 ポイント  (109子コメント)

I'll celebrate when they finally announce the cancellation of Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.

[–]dimsumx 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (15子コメント)

[–]Newbdesigner 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (9子コメント)

SOMEONE WHO CAN DRAW!?!?!?

WHO IS THE JEM?!?!?!?!

[–]saint2eSaintpai 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Someone who is truly truly truly outrageous.

[–]garybuseysawakeninglISten And beLIEve is a lie 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

BUT WE ARE THE MISFITS

OUR SONGS ARE BETTER

WE'RE THE MISFITS

AND WE'RE GONNA GET HER

[–]saint2eSaintpai 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That music is contagious AND outrageous.

[–]Elvick 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And they mean it. They are going to kill Jem if it's the last thing they do!

For a show largely aimed at little girls, it's pretty fucked up. Which is why I love it.

[–]dimsumx 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paco Medina w/ Carlo Barberi.

[–]M37h3w3 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (55子コメント)

Unbeatable Squirrel Girl?

Know what?

No.

Just no.

Don't tell me.

I don't want to know.

Ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is bliss. Ignorance Is Bliss. Ignorance Is Bliss. Ignorance Is Bliss. IGNORANCE IS BLISS. IGNORANCE IS BLISS. IGNORANCE IS BLISS. IGNORANCEISBLISS. IGNORANCEISBLISS. IGNORANCEISBLISS. IGNORANCEISBLISSIGNORANCEISBLISSIGNORANCEISBLISSIGNORANCEISBLISSIGNORANCEISBLISSIGNORANCEISBLISS

GAH!

Googles Squirrel Girl.

FUCK.

[–]Yorunozuku 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Basically they took someone who can't draw, and someone apparently can't write* and made them into a team that has ruined the charming and lovely Squirrel Girl for the last couple of years.

Fun fact: In the first few issues at least, every time there was a criminal it was a white man, and their victims always a person of colour. Subtle!

*I actually read Dinosaur Comics on the daily for many years. I even backed the Hamlet CYOA book North did. But his writing for Squirrel Girl is atrocious. Webcomic funny just does not translate to comic funny, apparently.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Webcomic funny just does not translate to comic funny, apparently.

Hmmmm, maybe the level of funny that can be derived from web comic jokes is inversely proportional to the amount of money you to spend on them.

[–]harbo 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I definitely would not pay for XKCD or Penny Arcade.

[–]drkitteh 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You'd have to pay me to read Penny Arcade these days.

[–]Horatius509 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been wondering if I was the only one who felt that way?! I used to be a HUGE PA fan. I'm sure I've read every comic and every new post before the last year or two. It just is ... not funny to me anymore. I'm not saying that for political reasons or anything like that, I just don't see the humor in most of the panels (I also hate Gabe's current art style with disgusting bulbous noses and bulging eyes--give me the early days any time).

How are they still in business? I guess they make tons of money from PAX, t-shirts, "Pinny Arcade," etc.

[–]MadDog1981 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Living off the name and the habit like a newspaper strip would be.

I was never a big fan but in fairness to them, it's hard to put out a compelling product for almost 20 years without seeing the quality drop off a lot.

[–]remedialrob 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Chris Hastings of Dr. McNinja has done both Deadpool (Fear Itself tie in) and now does Gwenpool for Marvel and both have done very well.

Also, Ryan North (whom I've met in person several times and is a very nice fellow) also wrote the Eisner and Harvey Award winning "Adventure Time" comics and has been on the Squirrel Girl book for about three years now. Which is longer than many comics last.

You may not like the story, where the character was taken, and so on. You may not even appreciate the humor. But taste is subjective. And to try and paint something that is obviously succeeding as a failure because you don't like it is just... sad.

I'm not a fan of forced diversity or SJW posturing but the alternate is no better. Let the man make the book he wants to make and let it find its audience of fail on its merits. That's freedom.

[–]kzell11 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Not exaggerating but I just looked up Squirrel Girl and that "art" style made me a little queasy. It's really terrible and somehow offensive to the eye.

[–]Banincoming 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's not supposed to appeal to CISGENDERED MALE SCUM! Or any humans with eyeballs really.

[–]FiniteMonster 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember they teased that there was a trans character in the book. Everyone said, "Is it this character with no breasts that looks precisely like a man in a dress?" No, that was meant to be a Cisco woman, the art was just that atrocious.

[–]Dwavenhobble 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fairness I'd also prefer the old art style of Squirrel girl than the modern version.

[–]GGRain 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Webcomic funny just does not translate to comic funny, apparently.

I think it does, if the writer is good/funny. If you look at 4Koma-mangas or how their name is.

[–]popwobbles 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you have to remember that that is often because they adore the characters they are writing about, not the message they are trying to smash people over the head with.

[–]dexter30 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm personally enjoying gwenpool. There are no weird token characters and the plots stays within comic book comedy. If you do want to enjoy a cartoony comic book I say go for that.

[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

and the art is fantastic. Gurihiru is an amazing art studio.

[–]UltimateCareII 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

and their victims always a person of colour. Subtle!

and were the people making this comic white themselves?

[–]matthew_lane[S] 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Sad thing is Squirrel Girl used to be cool, she actually beat Wolverine in a fair fight.... Now she's just uggg..

[–]FreshPrinceofEternia 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (14子コメント)

They used to fuck too.

[–]Agkistro13 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

To be fair, Wolverine has fucked every female in the Marvel universe except maybe the Brood Queen.

Maybe the Brood Queen.

[–]bloodyminded42 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even Death?

[–]15thpen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Metaphorical, yes. He has a healing factor and came back from the dead a time or two.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Is that actually canonical. I mean I always assumed that was the case, but I've never seen it explicitly stated anywhere.

[–]middlekellyIt's 2017 and women gamers like myself apparently don't exist. 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Given the character, I'd assume it's true. It's Wolverine. He sleeps around. A lot. I mean, like a whole lot. Maybe not Tony Stark levels of sleeping around, but he's up there.

[–]FreshPrinceofEternia 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Head canon says it's true.

Up to you to decide. She's been around for a while and she never ages apparently.

https://forums.marvelheroes.com/discussion/82671/did-you-know-that-wolverine-and-squirrel-girl-were-once-lovers-and-that-squirrel-girl-beats-him-up

[–]matthew_lane[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah those are pretty much the panels that lead me to original believe that the two of them had made the furry mammal themed hero with two backs.

[–]The14thNoahtriggered from here to Tuscon 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's also canon that she alone beat Thanos and Doctor Doom. I still refuse to accept that though.

[–]HolyShitTylerc 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if i remember correctly the.. oh god what is the term.. i think earth reality (cause there is more then one.. like hundreds) that she beat Thanos and Doom in was one in which good always wins. i know this doesn't make sense but it barely made sense when i followed it all in the comics.

[–]triggershoes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She didn't beat Wolverine she just pissed him off.

[–]Dwavenhobble 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Shit's not actually that bad, it was kinda a piss take of how the Marvel made a character called Squirrel girl who showed up in normal comics cannon and was stupidly overpowered.

The entire Unbeatable Squirrel girl is basically Marvel admitted the character was a bit of a joke by making it more of a comedy series.

e.g. in like her first appearance in an Iron Man comic she takes down Dr Doom + his flying ship using her army of Squirrels.

Or later on it's implied she's capable of out fighting Wolverine.

She's essentially Marvels 1 Punch Man

[–]EpiquePhael 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The main difference being OPM works because it's set in its own universe. Canonically speaking, the squirrel girl series is far too absurd for the universe it is supposed to take place in.

[–]Dwavenhobble 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeh that is kinda true.

[–]AndaelasAuthor at PowerGamer.co 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I fully believe that USG is in her own universe. If Cat Thor was a main-universe thing, I would demand that Loki replicate that every issue they appear in.

[–]M37h3w3 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Saitama is cool as fuck and is funny.

[–]kungfukai 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (20子コメント)

I refuse to accept Squirrel Girl in her current Ultra Mary Sue written, Ugly Stick drawn state.

[–]malicu 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (19子コメント)

How bad is it?

[–]n0rdic 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (18子コメント)

[–]malicu 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's some da level art... Oh my

[–]Newbdesigner 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like they have been visited by the truck of peace, I can't look away.

[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

even better, that's from the original original run of the extra chromosome version of squirrel girl.

They did a reboot when Ryan North wrote himself into a corner before issue 6.

Same issue as that image, she lectures Galactus on gender identity and pronouns.

I'm not joking.

[–]s69-5 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's the kind of art that, in comparison, makes Liefeld's art palatable.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

makes Liefeld's art palatable And we aren't talking Marvel era of Liefeld, we are talking Image era.

[–]katsuya_kaiba 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I remember that 50 worst drawings list on Liefeld and the author said he was lazy. The list was done before all this nonsense came out.

Now....his lazy looks like somebody who gives a fuck about the job he does, and that's bad. At least he'd do levels of detailing on a character that looks like it took time and effort.

Dude still needs a slew of anatomy classes though. He would do so much better if he just broke down and took them.

[–]Drizzt1990 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like lena dunham

[–]paranoiainc 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is that from official Marvel issue? What the actual fuck. How the fuck did that get approved. Don't they have QA there?

[–]Agkistro13 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, Marvel comics puts their logo on that and expects you to give them money for it. And then look at it after. And then do it all over again next month!

[–]OfHyenas 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this a joke? Like, one of those parody comcis?

[–]UltimateCareII 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"this attempt at drawing the human figure is too exaggerated and unrealistic" - A caveman

[–]EnigmaMachinen 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

How about when they bring back the original characters?

[–]Hyperman360 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Make Spider-Man stop trying to be Iron Man, and make Tony Stark Iron Man again. Those are the two that have bothered me most lately, because they were my favorites.

[–]EdwinaBackinbowl 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not until they do Iron Spider vs Pony Starker!

[–]Red_Raven 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm imagining a literal spider made of iron with glowing red eyes fighting a really edgy, emo horse with his mane styled all spikey and long and in his face. The fight goes no where, because the spider is a spider, and the horse is too mopey to put much effort into stepping in the spider. Even when he does hit the spider, nothing happens because he's an insect in the grass and HE'S IRON. The horse just mutters emo things and the the spider is overly aggressive and has a cartoony robot voice.

[–]EnigmaMachinen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ah yes. Peter Parker now has the business that Otto built. I will call it now- Marvel will reboot yet again and override all this shit partially because Rebirth did so well. It'll happen around the end of this year.

[–]Hyperman360 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean I'm totally fine with him being a scientist and running his company, but does he really have to start using high-tech costumes and gadgets like Tony Stark?

[–]ThatmodderGrim 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the artist for The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl confused a squirrel with a hamster.

[–]AndaelasAuthor at PowerGamer.co 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually like that one... It's not obnoxious as Lady Thor has been or political like Captain America. There's actually some decent IT technical talk in one of the comics, and I'm all for that being aimed directly at girls if they want it.

[–]ImJustJoe 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And Gwenpool.

[–]TheRealTakazatara 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The artist for this is actually pretty good.

[–]NightOfTheLivingHam 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Studio Gurihiru. They also did one of the best versions of squirrel girl.

[–]ahmida 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love gweenpool ; ;

[–]Zeriell 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Does anyone actually care about the original SJW creations? I think the criticism has always been where they take established properties and twist them against their original intention.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Does anyone actually care about the original SJW creations?

No, which is why they keep on co-opting the popular characters, they are hoping that if they steal the identity of a popular character & then replace them with an unpopular PC character the popularity will somehow, by some transitive property, transfer to their SJW creation, which of course it doesn't.

not saying they COULDN'T create a new interesting character, simply that they don't, because that takes a level of technical skill that I don't think anyone at Marvel currently possesses.

[–]AngryArmourSock Puppet Prison Guard 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (12子コメント)

they are hoping that if they steal the identity of a popular character & then replace them with an unpopular PC character the popularity will somehow, by some transitive property, transfer to their SJW creation, which of course it doesn't.

This is a core fundamental issue with their ideology. They think the labels are the important bits, and the meanings behind the packaging are replaceable.

Every problem with them stems from this core foundation: It's not the core idea of bigotry based on skin colour that's wrong, it's the arrangement of letters "Racism". It's not the personalities, behaviours and actions of people that are important, it's solely whatever label they feel like applying to themselves. It's not the actions that are wrong, it's who committed them.

SJW social "justice" is basically nothing more than "Wet streets causes rain", or on a darker note:
"The Holocaust was evil because the Nazis committed it", instead of "The Nazis were evil because they committed the Holocaust".

[–]UltimateCareII 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The Holocaust was evil because the Nazis committed it", instead of "The Nazis were evil because they committed the Holocaust".

yep, pretty much. if hitler was a black transwymmyn attack heli, SJWs would think of hitler as a saint

[–]PessimisticPaladin 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Maybe that's why they seem perfectly okay with Stalin and Mao, cause they weren't Nazis. Never you mind that both of them separably, as Stefan Molytheux put it, were professionals at genocide compared to Hitler being a gifted amateur to it.

Also they ignore the socialist part of nazi's and usually use the shortened term or use the, Italian term fascist which I don't know if it's even all that close, however they are close enough but I don't like that they use it so they can pretend like they aren't all socialism.

I'm not sure if western left wing would be cancer without socialism( I suspect they would), but I know they are when they think any part of it is a good idea, as it has been proven time and again, to be highly terrible and inefficient form of government at it's best and murderous and shockingly prone to almost instant corruption most of the time.

The tactics are better of all of them, but it's the fundamental thought process under all of socialism that makes it cancerous to the world. Which as I have said before is that it is the ideology of envy and spite, that leads people to steal from and murder people more competent, and more moral than them.

[–]AngryArmourSock Puppet Prison Guard 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

thought process under all of socialism that makes it cancerous to the world

Really? Because as a Dane, Social Democracy seems to have worked well while there is social cohesion and a sense of unity. Though that may be because it has basically abandoned the Marxist roots and idea of "achieving socialism" as an endgoal.

[–]ZXD319 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Social democracy and socialism aren't the same thing. Same deal with Social Democracy vs Democratic Socialism.

[–]AngryArmourSock Puppet Prison Guard 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I'm thinking. Social Democracy started out as what is now called "Democratic Socialism". That is, using the democratic process (as opposed to violent revolution) to achieve the "Socialist Utopia".

However, wherever Social Democracy achieved power, it got bogged down and "stuck" in the pre-Utopia phase of Socialism, just as Revolutionary Socialism did.

The main difference being that for Revolutionary Socialism, "pre-Utopia" means "Totalitarian hellhole where a planned economy leaves millions starving and purges are carried out to maintain power", while for Social Democracy the "pre-Utopia" phase is "Capitalist democracy where the lower classes get a decent wage instead of being treated horribly, and social hierarchy is relatively flat, but it still exists and bosses still get higher wages."

This means modern Social Democracy is basically realising that the Classless Full-Equality Socialist Utopia is never going to happen with human beings, but the pre-Utopia phase is a good enough goal in and of itself.

[–]voltagegate 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never thought of it that way, but it is spot on. Well observed.

[–]reddishcarp123 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, if Marvel really want to create interesting characters , they should try what Hasbro and IDW is doing with Transformers, involve the fans in the thought process . I mean it kind of worked well when their fans help create a transformer called windblade and that character has been fairly popular in the tranformers community.

[–]ZackRoyer 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its almost like they did what the fans wanted instead of what the non-fans wanted!

Who would've thought of that? /s

[–]Dwavenhobble 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a pretty simple tactic.

They take something people are already invested in to try and twist to fit what they want because then it forces people to either stop being invested or to accept their new Status Quo. SJWs love the whole idea of forcing a change of the status quo and their dream is people being good little followers and falling in line.

They don't want society to change to accept the idea over time they want instant societal change within 1 day and to force people to like it or fuck off.

It's why they keep pushing against alternatives and trying to make them seem less appealing or force all media to abide by their ideology because choice means even people who are invested have other options if they are willing to stop being invested in something and switch to something new.

[–]waaac 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (2子コメント)

[UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON COMIC BOOKS]

[–]backwards7venGamergate Bomb Disposal Unit - It's not all glamour 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[ANGRY RAMBLING WALL OF TEXT THAT TIES REAL WORLD EVENTS TO OBSCURE SILVER AGE COMICS]

[–]ZackRoyer 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[AD LIB MOANING IN PAIN]

[–]Attack_Symmetra 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I just got back into comics and I was a little confused as to why like half of the major super heroes had been replaced by teenage girls or other people.

Just write some new characters. Damn.

[–]SwearWords 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I liked Silk until it got all retarded after Secret Wars. Woman out of time looking for her family and rediscovering her old neighborhood really got me into the book, then the event gave the book cancer and she's working undercover for SHIELD, her mom's a space samurai warrior or some shit in the Negative Zone, and her annoying work buddies are there too for some reason. It's a wonder it lasted this long.

Edit: cleaned it up a little. Fucking typos

[–]matthew_lane[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I liked Silk until it got all retarded after Secret Wars.

I wouldn't even go that far: First 3 issues of the first volume is about as far as I would go & even then I'd put it at "not terrible, but far from good."

After that the book stumbled around for a couple of issues & then died entirely with Secret Wars.

Which is a shame because she was an interesting character under the pen of Dan Slott, even with the "wants to fuck Peter Parkers brains out." That's some Parkers luck I wouldn't have minded.

[–]SupremeReader 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I actually never even heard about Silk, but at least visually she looks damn cool.

[–]GGKotakuGGMetalhead poser - Buys his T-shirts at Hot Topic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I hope they don't abandon the character entirely.

Just go in, clean it up, cut out the SJW crap, and make her like a side character or something until they can build up enough history for her with other characters to start a solid solo series.

[–]Binturung 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh, I remember reading the first few issues, wasn't really jiving with me, but whatever. Randomly flipped through a later issue....and now there's dragons and samurai ladies. Glad I got off that boat.

[–]Radspakr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The biggest mistake was losing Stacey Lee on art, I loved her work it fit the comic to a T.

[–]IAMPOUNDCAKEIs also 0.453592 kilogramcake 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I can't see it, I'm blocked. Which I find amusing.

[–]ARealLibertarian 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I can't see it, I'm blocked.

Here.

[–]astalavista114 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait so issue 16 finishes things, and the issue 17 is filler... after the end of the story. Dafuq!?

[–]WulfwoodsSins 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me too. Never heard of this person, seen their twitter profile, or interacted with them. Ever.

The fact I am already blocked says a lot.

[–]Alagorn 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Why are people so bad at female characters? Do they realise they can just write them as men the swap the gender?

Lecturer at uni said to do this, if anyone (many blokes) didnt feel confident writing female characters.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why are people so bad at female characters?

Because they try to make being female both a personality type AND a plot... On top of which she can't actually suffer any negative consequences of plot because otherwise that's patriarchal oppression.

So yeah, standard Galbrush Paradox in action.

On the other hand I have no trouble making characters who happen to be female because I not only don't suffer from that mental handicap, I'm not trying to appeal to SJW's. In fact if I can do my thing AND make an SJW unhappy, I consider that a double victory.

[–]ZackRoyer 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, to them female characters must have no flaws and be the perfect mary sue, the superman without kryptonite weakness. She has to be the perfect woman 3000, an unthinking machine designed to follow the rules of SJWism to the bones.

You try to show their inner conflicts? You are making them look weak.

You put her losing a fight? Violence against woman.

You make her be the villain? Muh soggy knee.

She happens to be beautiful and know how to use her sex appeal? Objetification

[–]AndaelasAuthor at PowerGamer.co 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Silk is a great example.

She can do everything Parker can do, but better. All of her Spider senses/reflexes are hyper. She can shape her organic webbing (from her fingertips) into claws while Peter has to still make his own. Her flaw? She's not as physically strong as Peter.

They gave her some great story hooks at least.

[–]bobby_corwin 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watching Kamala Kahn's descent has been pretty sad.

She started out as a very relatable character just doing fun superhero things. Post Secret Wars, it all went out the window. Almost immediately Marvel decided to use her as a social justice figure and literally committed an entire issue to act as a PSA for registering to vote, a week after the election ended. Politics aside, why would Kamala know half as much as she does about voting in that issue in the first place? She's a teenager! Most, if not all teenagers really don't care about voting and are also kind of too young to do it anyway.

It really has been character assassination on her part. She went from being a fun rookie, to immediately being on the Avengers and becoming a leader in no time flat. In fact, that's pretty much true of all of Marvel's youngsters right now. None of them mess up and all of them are more competent than their adult counterparts.

I could go on. I really could.

[–]Nijata 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Bad and forcefully retconning

[–]Alagorn 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What these people do is take male characterd, gender swap them and turn them into insufferable sjws

[–]Nijata 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And thats annoying and ignoring the characters history if they're taking up existing characters.

[–]PessimisticPaladin 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

because clearly these writers are utter hacks and can't even write good male characters because the part of their brain where creativity should be is full of socialist muck.

[–]Chip_Card_Activation 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I can't see them fixing up X-men, or other titles where Marvel doesn't own the movie rights to, and I find that that's what is needed the most... They're pushing the Inhumans, but because of their bogged down storytelling (1937893272389 crossovers and events), no one is getting much interest over them, so far as I know.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I can't see them fixing up X-men

Depends on how well X-Men Gold goes. It looks like they are putting the X-Men back to just being Super Heroes, no more "ersatz oppressed minority" stories for the foreseeable future.

[–]Real_remy 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not sure how I'd feel about that. The struggle between normal people and mutants trying to live together have been one of the most iconic staples in the X-Men series since it was somewhat of a parallel to the 60s civil rights movement.

[–]ShadistsRedditMod: Chaotic-Good 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that you've got a point, though perhaps dialing it back a bit wouldn't be the worst plan.

Sci-fi's real genus is allow to create a parallel to real world issues in such a way as to make them digestible... Marvel has been doing so in the form of a brick to the face, and while that can work (see some of the original twilight zone episodes or Star Trek:TOS) doing so works much better in a shorter form where subtlety is ditched ;in favor of brevity and tone.

Long form works should, I think, take a more gradual approach working with more subtlety.

[–]Chewybunny 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except during the Civil rights era, black people were fighting truly racist things like segregation, actual racism, inability to even marry outside of their race. Actual systemic racism that permeated through every element of society. They were second class citizens.

Now a days the majority of not entirety of our laws are no longer racist. Black people have the same rights as whites. Sure there are still forms of racism on individual levels, and one can argue the problem with profiling or discrimination in housing, but that falls under individual perception...Not law.

[–]Biomagnification 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The issue is that it is subtle as a brick now rather than it being there, right?

[–]Real_remy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is true. Perhaps a step a away from the politics for a bit may do them some good.

[–]nogodafterall 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It would be interesting to see mutants dealing with increased acceptance in society, the fanaticism of the BoEM and other "pro-mutant, anti-normie" groups as they face a battle that has largely been won, and the repercussion of mutants becoming a new "majority minority" like hispanics are.

You can have your normie holdout purity storylines, but the real enemy now is "what do you do when you've largely been accepted and have to make something from it?"

Bonus points for mutie holdout snowflake militants fighting against normie holdout klan-espies, and the public hating both.

[–]FauxParfait 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought they were just backing off on the 'threat of extinction' level stuff for a while.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, x-Men to go back to being super-heroes & apparently they are generally backing away from the SJW nonsense (according to back channel information), because it isn't selling (which can be confirmed thru comichron sales data).

This just looks to be the first step, hopefully.

[–]bobby_corwin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's funny is that aside from the whole making Iceman gay thing, there really hasn't been any victimization messaging from the X-books. They've been fighting extinction lately, not oppression. And bad writing, but that's another issue...

Seriously though, the X-Men haven't been the ones guilty of virtue signaling like so many other Marvel titles have, which is why I find it odd that Marvel would put them in the forefront of the new "campaign." I welcome any change to the X-books right now, I'm just cautiously optimistic. Especially since the time displaced mutants are still around and seemingly never going anywhere.

[–]triforce-of-power 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (8子コメント)

As someone who doesn't follow these things often: are they still doing that stupid woman-Thor thing?

I didn't mind giving the hammer to Jane, but giving her the masculine name (something that never happened with other Mjolnir wielders) was such obvious SJW pandering.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

As someone who doesn't follow these things often: are they still didn't do that stupid woman-Thor thing?

Unfortunately yes

I didn't mind giving the hammer to Jane, but giving her the masculine name (something that never happened with other Mjolnir wielders) was such obvious SJW pandering.

Probably would have helped if they'd actually written her a story worth reading too.

[–]astalavista114 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You mean you didn't want to read Bor's censored unsolicited comments about Israel?

[–]Agkistro13 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or Absorbing Man suddenly being a mysogynist, despite being married to the (2nd) strongest woman in the Marvel Universe?

[–]Chibibaki 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They didnt just give her a masculine name. They gave her Thors name.

[–]katsuya_kaiba 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like his literal BIRTH NAME! The name HE HAD before Mjolnir was even FUCKING MADE! Thor is not a damned title that gets passed around those who bear the hammer, they legit took a man's fucking birth name. And then told everybody "This is now Thor. The old Thor is no longer Thor. He's Odinson." This pissed off several fans, including myself, and we were vocal about it, and we got harassed by the people who drank the Kool-aid.

[–]triforce-of-power 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You encapsulated exactly how I felt upon hearing the news. That shit made zero fucking sense and was some blatant SJW bull-hockey.

At least they seem to have learned their lesson and are giving the Iron Man successor her own unique hero title. Hopefully the comic doesn't go stupid with the writing....

[–]SupremeReader 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What so wronged you about Hellcat?

Edit: Oh, I see she's blocking me on twitter. This told me everything I needed to know.

[–]ceyen 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (27子コメント)

This is nothing more than "These comics are underselling, so we're cancelling them."

[–]matthew_lane[S] 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (25子コメント)

This is nothing more than "These comics are underselling, so we're cancelling them."

Iin the case of Thunderbolts yes, but Thunderbolts unlike Hellcat & Silk hasn't been benefiting from the protectionism of SJW preferences.

Take Hellcat as our example: Hellcat's been selling below Marvels cancellation line since issue 2, which came out THIRTEEN months ago. They've been protecting that book from cancellation ever since issue 2, now with the statement that they will no longer be following that creative direction Marvel has cut the protectionism from those books.

[–]Chip_Card_Activation 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps a "phase 1" so to speak? It's certainly the easier of the tasks ahead for Marvel Comics, it would seem.

[–]Binturung 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And this is when we pretend that run never happened.

[–]Chibibaki 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can we pretend the last few years of Marvel didnt happen?

[–]Binturung 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd be ok with that. lol.

[–]Dwavenhobble 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Expect a lot of

SSSSSSSCCCCCCCRRRRRRRReEEEEEEEEEEEEE MArvel is Gamergate now.

and

How Marvel is supporting Trumps Fascist bigoted regime

Because SJWs won't let go of one of the few fields of media they had stakes a claim on and took occupation of without at least some kind of fight.

[–]flybydeathOnly ingrates have flair 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So I just checked out a few topics on r/marvel and was quite a bit surprised to see some actual grieving for Hellcats cancellation. Never really been to that sub before so I was a bit surprised to see this upvoted comment,

Ugh I'm really upset by this. Really really loved this series, and if the rumors are true that all of Marvel's line is going to return to bread-and-butter comics, I'm gonna start to check out.

Other comments had similar sentiments. Since the comic was selling so poorly I can only imagine that these people don't really represent the overall comic reading community. So is that sub filled with SRS members or something?

[–]deathrider012 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm gonna check out

Please do. If the "bread and butter" comics aren't your thing, you clearly weren't really a marvel fan to begin with.

[–]MadDog1981 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Comic fans like those are typically people that love comic books minus the whole comic books part of it.

[–]Elvick 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So... basically they're sad that Marvel is a business that wants to make money?

I guess we can expect them to produce comics and lose money on them in Marvel's place, right?

[–]Blaggablag 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I hope they go full retard and swing all the way to the other end of the pendulum. I would LOVE to see sales soar as Marvel does outrageously edgy cringe bullshit and the entire left intelligentsia loses their shit over it.

[–]WascallyWampa 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Marvel gets redpilled. Tony Stark is now an MRA. Spider-Man goes MGTOW.

[–]AndaelasAuthor at PowerGamer.co 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh shit... could you imagine Tony Stark just walking up to a podium and talking about rape statistics, prison reforms, and male suicide... I would drop that subscription so fast.

I do sorta wish poor ol' Parker would stop having girl problems, but that seems to be part and parcel of his character.

[–]ReasonFreak 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The SJW's think Milo losing his book deal was a victory but this is a REAL VICTORY! The Social Justice Warriors attempted to hijack yet another form of popular media, sales plummeted, and now it's back to giving the people, the true fans, what they want. This will happen again and again.

[–]Keiichi81 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is Thor still a feminist woman? Is Tony Stark still being replaced by a teenage black girl? I don't give a crap about Silk or Hellcat or Thunderbolts or any other sideshow crap if they're still polluting their core characters with PC social justice bullshit.

[–]redn2000 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does it severely piss anyone else off that they forced their loyal consumers to just deal with this while they went through a faze and downward spiral?

[–]matthew_lane[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gaming/Nerd Culture +2

Self Post +1

[–]Jack-BrowserMod 77k Get 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kate Leth BTFO - priceless

[–]Damascene_2014Misogynist Prime 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who is this aryan super soldier with the strong germanic chin and military undercut in the pic? Are those supposed to be minority scalps and furry heads he's decorated with?

[–]Chibibaki 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How long until they cancel female Thor?

[–]david-meHyena that only laughs at mirrors[M] 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Okay.... Trust but verify, right?

No Kate you aren't leaving on your own terms, Marvel cancelled your book due to low sales: Don't make this sound like it was some kind of amicable mutual break up, you got dumped.

Citation requested. If none exist, than I suggest.....

No Kate you aren't leaving on your own terms, I think/believe that Marvel cancelled your book due to low sales.

I'm being an asshole, because this sub needs to practice what it preaches. I'll take all the hate and criticism for pointing this out, but somehow.... somehow, you know I'm correct.

However, if this this self post was meant to be nothing but an op-ed, then you should have said so. It would have saved everyone from bothering to respond in the first place.

[–]matthew_lane[S] 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Citation requested. If none exist, than I suggest.....

Check Comichron if you like you can see the monthly sales data there. The cut off line for Marvels minimum sales is 20,000 units sold.

Once you fall under that limit your book is on the cancellation chopping block.

The book has been under that limit since issue 2 & has been for the last thirteen months. At last look the book had dropped down to only 9,000 units sold, a full 11,000 below Marvels cancellation line.

So yeah, you are right to trust but verify.

Edit: Issue 2 scroll down to place 108 & then issue 14 scroll down to place 195.

[–]YourLostGingerSoul 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm being an asshole, because this sub needs to practice what it preaches. I'll take all the hate and criticism for pointing this out, but somehow.... somehow, you know I'm correct.

You can just end that on you being an asshole. Everything beyond that is just self indulgent BS. and the ending line is basically as bad as all the shitty PC people out there.

[–]Jeaguerjack 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They will have to purge the entire marvel universe if they want to get rid of the sjw traces.

[–]pineconecandle 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm behind on this.. Marvel promised they would cut back on PC SJW pandering?

I'll believe it when I see it... I used to be such a big Marvel fan growing up and it's been sad to see them lose their way so monstrously recently, but I'm always willing to give them another chance.

[–]FatBaldWhiteMan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good Marvel Comics...good Marvel Comics... hm, tough one. Even before the SJW Stuff, the Comic Book Industry was in shambles.

I would encourage every Comic Book Fan to watch the Series by SFDEBRIS, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ2KzcSD1pE (12 Parts, so take your time)

He nailed it really down what went wrong, and who was involved.

I don't see the Marvel recovering, even if they would return to the golden 70-80's Era. But it is a start :-)!

[–]malicu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just in time for DC's big ass Rebirth shit that's gonna go down with Mr. Oz. Great timing if you're a Rebirth fan (which still has some sjw nonsense in it but not in any core titles)

[–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now having seen that Marvel is actually appearing to follow thru on their promise to cut back on the PC SJW pandering

Where was that mentioned or promised?

[–]Sugreev2001 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope this is just the first casualty in a long, long line of them. This SJW pandering has gone long enough. Still, it's gonna be a while before I start trusting Marvel. Couldn't believe some of the shit they let published.

[–]WindowsCrashuser 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can't seem to come up with a Gay Super Hero so the choose to make any of the characters in the Marvel Universe gay. I might well make a Gay Super Hero called Penetrator and his power will be that he shoots projectiles with his mind that can penetrate walls and shit simple enough he needs a background story and the rest is easy.

[–]bigb360 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe they'll stick Spider Man and Mary Jane back together in a well adjusted traditional marriage again and retcon all the bull from the last retcon?

And maybe Captain America won't be an SJW tool bag anymore.

[–]sexyamoralredhead 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Modern Marvel was always very liberal and very Sjw friendly. They won't change, sorry.

[–]Intra_ag 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being very liberal is a far cry from basing entire runs around identity politics and hamfistedly shoving current political figures into your comics to lampoon or glorify every other issue.

[–]IlIlIlIl1Il 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Boycott them. The days of being racist and sexist, while calling it social justice should be long over. Any company that tries to back pedal should be held accountable. THAT is how this shit is going to stop.

Let a few prominent companies go COMPLETELY OUT OF BUSINESS and the others will get the idea - do not insult your customers with SJW or other ignorant drivel. Focus on what you do best and let the markets decide.

[–]ARealLibertarian 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Boycott them. The days of being racist and sexist, while calling it social justice should be long over. Any company that tries to back pedal should be held accountable. THAT is how this shit is going to stop.

>big company decides that SOCJUS isn't working very well and decide to dump the SJWs
>we should attack them for that!

That seems like a bad plan.

[–]GGKotakuGGMetalhead poser - Buys his T-shirts at Hot Topic 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not agreeing with him, but he's suggesting a no-forgiveness policy, not attacking them for dumping SJWs.

He's saying "They abandoned their readers for SJW brownie points, don't go back to buying their stuff even if it becomes good again."

[–]katsuya_kaiba 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Shouldn't we be buying their shit if it's now worth our time, to show that 'yes, if you give us a quality product, we will give you money'.

[–]ZackRoyer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, we should only buy if they actually improve the comics.

Back-pedalling from SJWness is just one (big) step to having good comics, but to actually have quality good comics there is still plenty steps Marvel must take. Lets wait and see.

[–]Chibibaki 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Question: Why would anyone return to buy the comics of people who obviously hate them?

[–]katsuya_kaiba 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because if we shun them after they see the error of their ways, why would anybody bother admitting they were wrong and go the other way? I'd rather they go back to their fans than be dangling helpless. If they come back to their fans and start focusing on what's important and their sales get better, then it's one more piece of proof that pandering to SJWs can hurt your company. Which, in the end, benefits US.

Ian Miles Cheong admitted he was wrong, apologized and we accepted it with caution and he has proven to show since then that he had a change of heart. This has been beneficial to us.

[–]Chibibaki 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree it has. My point was in regards to the fans as individuals as opposed to the abstract. Marvel took a personal position against many of their fans. Thats recorded for history now in their books. Rational people with opposing philosophies were given the same treatment as the Red Skull and treated as the true evils of the Marvel universe.

Short of the entire editorial and writing staff being replaced how could those demonized by Marvel return knowing they are still hated?

[–]katsuya_kaiba 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They don't have to. Hell, most of the people who used to work for Marvel now work for Image. This isn't the first time Marvel fucked over it's staff and they left. So...now because of this, they have find actual good talent rather than pandering bullshit and keep a closer eye on the writing. Because all the great ones are now doing work at Image and keeping all the rights to their work.

So really...it's up to the consumer if they wanna come back and it's going to be one HELL of a healing phase because a lot of people are sore from what they put out. They have going to have to prove themselves for quite a long time before people go 'okay...I guess they're back to business as normal, I may give them a shot.'

[–]Chibibaki 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah its a sad day for Marvel right now. I used to love it. Now I cant believe all the people they crapped all over who say they will never return. For them it became personal.

I just wonder who in the world thought siding with a fractional but very loud group (The SJWs) was a path to commercial success and why. Doubly so for why they didnt know their readership and went to war against them.

[–]katsuya_kaiba 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Marvel, if you look at their history, is one made up of stupid fucking choice after stupid fucking choice. They alone almost destroyed the comic industry in the 90's.

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[–]creatureshock 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The sad part is that I looked at the Hellcat book, and I didn't mind the art so much as the writing. The art was interesting. The writing not so much. Silk I honestly enjoyed when it was allowed to be fun, which was few and far between. Never liked Thunderbolts, so no thoughts on it.

[–]Ardbug 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, capitalism definitely worked this time around, supply and demand, customer is always right etc etc and so on and so on.

[–]mancubus314159 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Could someone link me to a good article where Marvel said they were going to clean this up please? I could do with a justice boner. Thanks.

[–]ARealLibertarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Could someone link me to a good article where Marvel said they were going to clean this up please?

There's been reports, but they haven't come out and said "we're removing all the SJW garbage".

[–]xxflexluthorxx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still not going to buy their bullshit.

[–]arnetsewycul 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are they going to let Sana Amanat go, as well? Rumor has it she's responsible for the SJW push at Marvel.

[–]middlekellyIt's 2017 and women gamers like myself apparently don't exist. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Patsy Walker 14 sold about 9,957 copies in January.

To put that number in perspective, that's less than Kiss Demon #1, Hillbilly #5 and the Black Hammer Giant-Sized Annual.

[–]UncleThursday 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny, I'm premtively blocked from her Twitter.

Sounds like another Nothing of Value was Lost issue, to me.