After going through MGTOW and Redpill, there is definitely an inherent difference, although some similarities. The difference is the questions of, "What are you willing to do to get laid / female validation.

I notice in the Redpill there are some good posts, but the majority of it is rationalizing (male hamstering) about self-improvement for one's self vs to get women. The red pill touts it's doing it for you, but it's obvious that that's a rationalization and at the end of the day the motivation is pussy.

The Redpill tries to answer the question of "What do women want". Then they try to deliver it (become chad). Why do you think the answers are always the same? Lift bro, make money bro, do this bro. The answers are always the same because it's based on trying to be what women want. Then it's covered up by the rationalization of "Nah, it's just about doing it for you". If that's the case why is it always the same solution (lift, make money, have game, be like chad)? Why aren't there more diverse solutions?

The only real Redpill is MGTOW. Redpill is just Bluepill but with different answers to the same question of "What do women want". MGTOW is about saying, as in the show Madmen, "Who cares what women want". The only real "alpha" is not caring what women want. And I don't mean the Redpill version of indifference, aka PRETENDING not to care. I mean literally not caring. True indifference to women IS the answer. Not only is it the answer, but it is power. A power you can trust in.

So what are you willing to do to get laid or receive female validation?

Are you willing to waste your time learning "game"?

Are you willing to spend enormous amounts of time "approaching"? (AKA trying to sell yourself to someone, who in your mind, should already be beneath you. Aka a woman who probably has 1/3 the ability in life that you do in terms of resources, intelligence, actual ability, fortitude and skill)

Are you willing to spend countless hours in the gym, not for the sake of health, but to LOOK a certain way for women?

Are you willing to purposely delude yourself into what you do as being for "yourself" when you deep down really know, that it's a rationalization and actually it's because of what pussy demands of you?

Are you willing to grind away at a bullshit, boring, white/blue collar job that you chose to impress women with your earning potential?

Are you willing to take out a loan on a Mercedes to impress a woman?

Are you willing to delude yourself in the idea of "trad-con Redpill love"?

Are you willing to acknowledge the Redpill truths of Hypergamy and "female love" and STILL try to pander to them?

Are you willing to, after deluding yourself into a pseudo Redpill love, to paradoxically suppress all your emotions in order to keep her happy? If so, what is the point of a relationship if you have to paradoxically suppress the benefits (your own emotions) to keep her happy?

If you do win the Redpill game of love (by turning yourself into Chad almighty), and she commits to you then she ends up Cucking you, divorce raping you or turning you into a shell of a man who can't express his emotions due to Redpill theory, will you blame yourself for not being the perfect Alpha, as you should?

Are you willing to let a woman's desires, theoretically, determine who you become in life?

If you answered yes to any of the questions above, you are still a blue pill / beta, you just decided to try B instead of A, as a strategy to pander in a rationalized way to women.

The goal with women should ALWAYS be indifference. To FREE yourself from the gimmick all-together. I'm not saying you need to be some celibate monk, but until you can say "I'm not doing or becoming xyz in order to put my dick into a fish hole, or gain a creature that most likely is a liability in the long run", then you are not an 'alpha'.

There is only one real option, either the woman cowtows to you, chases you and SERVES you, or nothing will happen at all. If a woman is not BEGGING to SERVE you, then she should receive nothing at all, not even an acknowledgment of her existence. If you cannot hold that kind of "frame" then you are the definition of beta. If you go home and think to yourself, "Man I must not of made the RIGHT move, now I'm alone and didn't get laid, and I'm sad, then you are a beta even if you "implemented" the Redpill strategy. If you then later try to rationalize, "I shouldn't become outcome dependent, it was "still fun". You are full of shit, wasting your time with a woman and not getting laid and touting outcome independence makes you a beta and not some "alpha redpill". Outcome independence is just another rationalization for accepting wasting your time, money and being used.

You're the man. You do not spend one iota chasing her, or one iota becoming what in "Theory" she wants. You spend zero time on her. If she wastes your time you never speak to her again, but also you never invested any time in the first place, because you won't acknowledge her existence unless she is begging to serve you. This works because you are truly indifferent and have no "redpill" illusions. You haven't been laid in awhile? What does it matter to you? That's real Redpill. MGTOW is the real Redpill.