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[–]jtflint 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems Zizek is always on the verge of making a great point, and then switches to something else. He is entertaining though.

[–]SverdlovsLover 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I guess there are a few things that makes communists dislike him. The first thing I can think of is that he's more of a follower of Lacan, Freud and Hegel, than Marx and Engels. At least that's the feeling I get. Also, he's been criticizing multiculturalism and PC-culture a lot in the last few years. That's just a few things I can think of just like that

[–]TheseusTheKing[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (9子コメント)

What's wrong with Lacan Freud and Hegel as opposed to Marx/Engels? Aren't they all dialecticals?

[–]SverdlovsLover 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Psychology is not my field so I can't give you an answer to if Lacan/Freud are any good or not, but just because something is dialectic doesn't mean it's materialistic, i.e, Marxist. Marx/Engels got a lot from Hegel but Hegel was an Idealist and a conservative. Today, Zizek goes around calling himself a Marxist even though he's more Hegelian. Entertaining, sure, but not very useful for "actual" Marxist analysis. That's at least my view of it

[–]DrOlivero 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zizek's stance regarding Marx is that Marx performed an invaluable critique of political economy of the 19th century, which served as the groundwork for building socialism in the 20th century. He says that the material conditions on the ground have changed significantly, that capitalism has evolved, and that using Hegelian and psychoanalytic approaches we need to "do Marx again" and create an actionable critique of 21st century political economy: a 21st century Kapital and new left platform. He says this has not yet emerged, but that there are very good attempts being made by, among others, many contemporary Marxist theoreticians.

[–]BlackBird_Freedom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know about Zizek, but some philosophers try to conciliate Hegel and Marx's works.

[–]TheseusTheKing[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So it's more that he misrepresents his ideology?

[–]SverdlovsLover 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure there are other reasons people dislike him but that's at least one of them

[–]smokeuptheweed9Marxist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No bro. You don't have to have an opinion on Zizek, in fact not knowing he exists is probably better for your health, but if you're going to have an opinion at least read him. This is worst of all possible options.

[–]jumbotronshrimp 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The fact that he sells 120pg paperback books with recycled thoughts for $25 should be enough to discredit him, honestly.

[–]Ciax420 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His 1000 page book on Hegel also cost about 25

[–]a1355632 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm that acknowledging the Big Other has destroyed my social life.

[–]fullyjamb 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Said some reactionary shit in his time, such as when he said Roma people were thiefs and violent etc

[–]Hermes1999 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's literally the opinion of everyone living in the Balkans. From the hundreds people I've no one has a different opinion than that. It's wrong to speak for their whole race as one and I've met some amazing and smart, genuinely nice gypsies, but sadly I live in a poor-ish gypsy ghetto and the reality is ugly. I often see axefights, even gunshots and the entire neighbourhood is drug-infested and has a high crime rate and it's not simply a economical problem, it's a cultural one. I know you guys comrades are against racism and so on and so on but the Balkan people have to face the reality of the situation with the gypsy community to be able to solve the problem

[–]dessalines_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (15子コメント)

He's said worse things than that, even recently. A few weeks ago, he came out against Richard Spencer being punched. You heard that right, Zizek is against bashing the fash. He also advocated thinly veiled accelerationism and hoped Trump would win. He isn't to be taken seriously.

[–]Zeta-X 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be fair, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe his hoping that Trump would beat Clinton was out of a concern for the future of leftist politics in America (as in, Clinton winning would legitimize neoliberalism as the future of "the left/liberals" in America, rather than pushing them towards SocDem/whatever), rather than true advocacy.

[–]dessalines_ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is still thinly veiled accelerationism, and nearly every communist is against it. Communists are less concerned about some vague "future of leftist politics", than they are about making sure ethnic minorities and other people scapegoated by Trump don't get rounded up and killed or deported. Zizek is just an edgy joke of a leftist.

BTW ICE the US immigration police has arrested 700 people since Trump took office and ramped things up. A family member works for the DOJ, and they are fucking stunned at what is going on.

[–]Zeta-X 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, makes sense. I think the extent to which Trump is (terrifyingly) pursuing the anti-immigration rhetoric in his campaign has blown away even some of his supporters-- Zizek may well be eating his words on the subject.

[–]ippolit_belinski 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What he said about Spencer is that one should not devote as much time to him as has been done, he should be ignored, "he is nothing". In that sense Zizek is against Spencer being punched. You are right about accelerationism, but that too is more nuanced. Here's an analysis: http://paradoxoftheday.com/making-sense-of-zizeks-choice-for-trump/

[–]martinelind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe a bit of research and fact would be beneficial to you: Zizek grew up the under the post-Titos regime, and campaigned heavily against the government during his youth.

He does't support fascists or Trump, because he has lived through the consequences of authoritarian rule.

[–]flankdank 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

WOW he is against violence on political opponents. That dick!

[–]dessalines_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So much for the taller ant left. If you're against violence in all forms, especially against nazis, then you are nothing better than a pacifist liberal. Violence agianst nazis is good-ass praxis.

[–]flankdank 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not a pacifist but I'm not pro violence on anyone. Would in not have been better to let him speak so people could see how stupid his ideas are?

[–]dessalines_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fascists only desire is a platform to spout hate, they could give less of a shit if they win an argument or not.

There was a video a whole back, where an actual Nazi lost an argument to a liberal newscaster, and his reply was, "excuses excuses" .

The point isnt to win an argument, the point is to use liberals to defend your freeze peach and give you a platform to popularize hate, much like bill Maher did with milo recently.

[–]flankdank 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you should give people more credit. Don't you think that when people saw the video you mention, that they thought something like "what a jerk with no argument"?

[–]skakkle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said we must be brutal on a different level

[–]willbellDemocratic Socialist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump later stated his support for Trump was ironic, quote "I'm not an idiot."

[–]neolk -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be clear, however, his defense of not punching is important. He didn't say one shouldn't punch Spencer because Spencer has freedom of speech / violence isn't the answer / "and so on and so on," but rather that Spencer should be ignored (not even given the attention of physically hitting him). In this regard, Zizek doesn't really care if Spencer was punched or not, but instead is critical of the leftist zeal in punching him, the celebrations. These celebrations, he thinks, inadvertently entrench Spencer's position by making it seem like there is an antagonism between his beliefs and ours; when, in reality, he is merely irrelevant.

Consider that from the perspective of the Romans, Jesus was not the Messiah who they were putting to death, he was merely a profligate. From the perspective of the school child who swats a mosquito to death, the mosquito's life is irrelevant. In the same way it would be odd to watch a bunch of people cheer for someone and applaud them when they squish bugs, so too Zizek thinks it is odd that the left cheered when a human cockroach was punched.

[–]dessalines_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Consider that from the perspective of the Romans, Jesus was not the Messiah who they were putting to death, he was merely a profligate.

TFW you compare an actual white supremacist to jesus. Bashing fash is extremely good praxis, I have no idea why the cult of personality around Zizek is so strong.

[–]Kunik0s 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except you just completely misrepresented what he said, he didn't begin to compare their views at all. This isn't to say I'm against a good fash bashing, but that Spencer was not nearly relevant enough to begin with, and like Jesus, by bashing him and celebrating it so much he was given even more limelight to push his views.

[–]Press_F5_Comrade 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've read character snipe attempts of painting him as a fascist for various reasons. Either a quote stripped of context, or his statement that it's impossible that all Syrian/MidEast/African refugees are innocent, or his theory on PCness is a form of totalitarianism. That's about it.

[–]Zeta-X 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also his support of Trump over Clinton; which, while based on opposition to neoliberalism and concern over the future of leftism in the U.S., certainly didn't help with the image painted of him as a fascist.

[–]Press_F5_Comrade 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Right, but again his it out of context and his rationalization that Clinton was a status quo where Trump would galvanize the left and inadvertently start a true American leftist movement.

[–]TheseusTheKing[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's really accelerationist though

[–]Press_F5_Comrade 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We're all accelerationists now"

[–]Kunik0s 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have you not seen an uptake in leftwing interest, though? I'm not saying Trump's is necessarily worth that, but the accelerationist argument has sort of been proven to be valid, at least in my social group it has.

[–]TheseusTheKing[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Accelerationism is really only a position that can be justified in retrospect. It's simply not ethical to inflict poor conditions in the hope that things just miight shift further left.

[–]martinelind 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first: there is a major discrepancy between Zizeks popular, wild analysis that you find in his essays, paper backs, youtube-links and what not, and his theoretical work that revolves around Lacal/Hegel/Marx. Second point is his departure from and dispute with post-marxists such as Laclau and Mouffe.

His pop-culture analysis are often derived from his psychoanalytical approach to politics, but he doesn't bother explaining it, so the result is provocative and jumbled, and easy to misunderstand, as with Trump and the nazi-punch (BTW, Zizek a Bernie-guy through and through).

I think your question regarding the 'animosity' stems from the dispute with the post-marxist - and it is a theoretical, even ontological one, so people skip the hard part - the ontological differences between ie. him and Laclau, but this is the very foundation that leads Zizek to criticize 'PC'-culture.

Now, the difference between Zizek and post-marxist is in regards to their different ideas of how to re-animate the left after the fall of communism, and can essentially be boiled down to the debate between Universality and Particularity. And that is more than I want to post about right now, but you could read 'contingency hegemony universality' - a discussion between Ernesto Laclau, Judith Butler and Slavoj Žižek.

[–]juukione 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's just very badly misunderstood most of the time. Please read his reply to his critics:

http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-reply-to-my-critics/

http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/reply-to-my-critics-part-two/

and make up your own mind. Also just day before yesterday he published a leninist reading of La La Land. It includes spoilers, so if you have not seen the film, maybe skip it.

http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/la-la-land-a-leninist-reading/

[–]KomeradObnobsMarxist-Leninist 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (9子コメント)

A lot of time I get the feeling he tries to be edgy and convoluted for it's own sake.

I haven't read his books but his lectures are really confusing to me and poorly articulated. I prefer someone like Parenti who can explain harder concepts and ideas more easily.

[–]TheseusTheKing[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Parenti is excellent, love his and Chomskys media analysis but I think they were unfair on the USSR

[–]KomeradObnobsMarxist-Leninist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Chomsky is meh. He's good at criticizing US imperialism, but doesn't know shit about Marxism. I prefer him to Zizek tho.

Parenti didn't seem too critical of the USSR, but it's been awhile since I listened to any of his lectures. I was halfway through "Reds and Blackshirts", but he didn't seem to be a critic of the USSR.

[–]TheseusTheKing[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I meant that Chomsky was critical of the USSR. Isn't Chomsky was a non Marxist AnSyn? Or does he claim to be Marxist?!

[–]KomeradObnobsMarxist-Leninist 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's an anarchist. He occasionally tries to criticize marxism but he doesn't really understand it.

[–]LOTR_WITH_TANKS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most anarchists in my experience don't understand Marxism tbh.

They think MLM=Marxism Leninism plus mao, Maoists and TWS are the same, etc.

[–]KomeradObnobsMarxist-Leninist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but Chomsky is a very prominent modern philosopher(?), he should have some understanding of dialects

[–]Parker_IMLM 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My biggest problem with Chomsky is that he believes there is human nature.

This is a great watch on the subject (admittedly very long) Chomsky and Foucault (who I admit, is also not a marxist) debating on the subject of human nature:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wfNl2L0Gf8&feature=youtu.be

(Turn on subtitles, Foucault answers in French and parts are in Dutch? I think?)

[–]TheseusTheKing[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was a great debate young chomsky was also totally a daddy

[–]Parker_IMLM 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

young chomsky was also totally a daddy

but actually though... that voice

[–]CommunismCanWork 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People dislike Zizek because he challenges and pisses off almost all of the prevailing strands of thinking: he attacks everyone from orthodox Marxist to anarchist, to PC liberals, and right wing racist etc. He is notoriously misread. He is a Marxist but he wants to make some changes to Marx (he would likely claim: one must update Marx in order to maintain fidelity to him). For those who doubt the affinity between Lacan and Marx read Samo Tomsics, The Capitalist Unconcious or even Zizek's the Sublime Object of Ideology.

Also people generally make ridiculous attacks against him: many think that he attacked roma people, trans people, refugees etc. This, however, is a ridiculous misreading of his work. (one simple point: he is good friends and wrote a book with Judith Butler one of the pioneers of queer studies yet gets attacked as anti queer).

[–]flankdank 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He dared be critical at the immigration and the problems it gives and critizise political correctness.

[–]lalunaroja -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The first thing I tried to listen to by him was some nationalistic sounding garbage about how accepting refugees might be Bad, Actually, and I just can't bring myself to wade through more of that

[–]prolific13 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't say accepting refugees is bad. In fact he's in favor of accepting refugees. He made a larger point about the fact that we should accept refugees regardless of whether or not they're innocent, good people who would never hurt a fly.

Maybe you should actually listen to what he says, or better yet apply some mental labor into reading his work as it's clear you're just attacking him through intellectual laziness

[–]omidov 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Three weeks ago he showed up in the Iranian state TV (one of the biggest propaganda machines in Middle east) and criticized western liberalism and talked about Lacanian theories for 30 minutes without even mentioning or saying a single word about the tyrannical theocratic regime in Tehran. At the same moment that he was sitting there and told jokes in this abomination of a TV channel, hundreds of our Iranian comrades were/are sitting in jails around the country and they are being tortured both physically and psychologically on a daily basis. Some of them have even got executed in past years. And This asshole didn't even spoke a word about these brave individuals.

Here is the link to the program. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eizVX02W6aM

[–]cameliap 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, not everybody.

But I shall return to my Zizek-tolerating and even trying to understand parts of the world now, shall I.