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[–]SpaceTruth 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I remember this post! Gave me a chill down my spine browsing Reddit late at night.

I've been loving recent pedophile ring busts though, I'd say good timing of this flashback.

[–]street_philatelist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What other recent ones are there?

[–]ICFronk 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There've been thousands of pedos and child/human/sex traffickers arrested in California, Illinois, and Tennessee over the last week or two. Maybe in more states, but those are just the three I can remember.

[–]street_philatelist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, is it part of an organized effort? Do you have any links on that?

[–]petvid5 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I live in Tennessee and I believe there was a pretty big bust that recently went down here

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                    [–]Trenchyjj 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Eric Pickles?

                    [–]Jubilee_Jules 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I'll have to Google him.

                    [–]Trenchyjj 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You'd need a few pages on google to get the full picture.

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                                          [–]perchloricacid 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                          What's up with all of the removed posts?

                                          [–]Werewolf35b 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Somebody's probably mentioning pizzagate

                                          [–]Pottyman 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          somebody doesn't want the truth to get out there

                                          [–]ChucoShark 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Some jerks probably started flooding people's inboxes and/or threatening them. On the mobile app I get zero notification about my inbox so I never see it or check it lol. I assume on a computer it's much more pronounced.

                                          [–]Werewolf35b 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Somebody's probably mentioning pizzagate

                                          [–]marshmallowcritter 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I never knew about this case. It is so horrifying and seems like something out of a movie

                                          [–]Everythingisborrowed 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Not that interesting but I used to work a few roads down and would drive past the house at least once a day. Feel quite bad for who ever is living there now

                                          [–]Crabjock 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          There's nothing creepier to me than a murder/disappearance going unanswered for, only to have potential hints come out years and years later

                                          It reminds me of the Maura Murray stuff. I'm not saying I believe the 112Dirtbag thing, but it being true is a very real possibility.

                                          The idea that someone out there knew something for so long and mysteriously rekindles that fire, I dunno, it's just unsettling.

                                          [–]Stwy 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          There's nothing creepier to me than a murder/disappearance going unanswered for, only to have potential hints come out years and years later

                                          Yeah. Now imagine being the victim's dad and receiving that call after finally putting it behind you by now... oh boy.

                                          Wouldn't be surprised if he had a seizure after that.

                                          [–]tritonconrojosojos 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                          Why is this not discussed and reported more in the media? In the United States it was not mentioned at all, and this is the first time I have heard of any of it.

                                          I feel bad for the family of that boy, and the father who received the phone call decades later.

                                          [–]xenburnn 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                          no one in a high position has ever been convicted in connection to the alleged "ring" even if many MP's and at least one PM have been fingered. You can't tell if it's just sensationalism or true. It's the same as the allegations in the USA from the same period. Unless you have very clear video evidence or DNA evidence and people willing and able to collect a sample it's extremely unlikely charges will even be brought against someone wielding power and influence.

                                          [–]tritonconrojosojos 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          So was this place a pedo sex ring/club? Or was it a sex club for adult bisexual and gay men to have sex with each other, sort of like a bath house but indoors in a private home?

                                          [–]xenburnn 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          it was a guest house with facilities, including a sauna. The allegations range from specific allegations against a single person to accusations of a well connected sex abuse ring.

                                          The signal to noise ratio is low in this case due to how varied the claims are and those who want to make it an even larger conspiracy when things might not even be connected.

                                          I haven't seen anything talking about gay clubs but since it was for rent at the time then unrelated people could have been using it for that.

                                          [–]Jubilee_Jules 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          Did you see this?

                                          Sir Edward Heath WAS a paedophile, says police chief: Astonishing claim is made that the former PM is guilty of vile crimes 'covered up by the Establishment'

                                          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238188/Sir-Edward-Heath-paedophile-says-police-chief.html#ixzz4Z5cKZMbO Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

                                          [–]Jubilee_Jules 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          There is huge breaking new now about a former Prime Minister in Britain.

                                          Sir Edward Heath WAS a paedophile, says police chief: Astonishing claim is made that the former PM is guilty of vile crimes 'covered up by the Establishment'

                                          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238188/Sir-Edward-Heath-paedophile-says-police-chief.html#ixzz4Z5cKZMbO

                                          [–]RainyReese 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          Why all the deleted comments? Just curious? I just came across this post a little bit ago.

                                          [–]LadyInTheWindow 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Late to the party too, but I am guessing it was a heated pizzagate discussion.

                                          [–]RainyReese 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Wow, ok. That seems like something I'd totally delete too lol

                                          [–]goldenrobotdick 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Where does it say he was contacted thirteen years later? The articles say it was months after the disappearance.

                                          [–]p7r 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                          Quite odd this one. I live near Putney and the location of the Elm Guest House in Hammersmith, and know the area moderately well. We've had quite a few unresolved mysteries from this part of London, and it's strange to me that it's such a hotbed of this stuff. A couple of miles down the road is Dolphin Square, also a site that has been mentioned a few times.

                                          There is no doubt some really dodgy stuff happened at both sites. There is no doubt a lot of people managed to escape justice. However, I'm going to urge caution: I've watched this case closely, and it's too easy for this to get a little hyperbolic and - dare I say it - a bit "pizza gate".

                                          The evidence is genuinely quite thin. All we have is a list of names produced by a convicted fraudsters and people who have told stories under the guise of pseudonyms or anonymity in return for cash.

                                          Cliff Richard is suing people who repeat claims made against him on this matter (and winning). Some of the allegations involved him murdering TV celebrity Jill Dando (another, frankly, unresolved mystery). Several of the people mentioned are dead and have no ability to reply.

                                          There has been a deluge of allegations that have not received enough investigation and scrutiny to assert that they are truthful claims of awful abuse or fanciful ideas of attention seekers, and until they receive that scrutiny, I would suggest everybody proceeds with caution on this one because it's very easy to fall down the conspiracy rabbit hole.

                                          [–]Jubilee_Jules 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                          Conspiracies happen. It's only when people fear to investigate them and hold criminals responsible that they are allowed to continue.

                                          [–]p7r 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                          Agreed. The problem is the investigations so far have not only drawn a blank but also led to litigation.

                                          Hence me urging caution. I'm not saying stop investigating, just be aware there has been a lot of digging here that might lead you not only to the wrong ideas because of the amount of material out there, but potentially to getting sued by a man with far more legal resource than you do.

                                          If you think Elm House is behind this, if you think the conspiracy is real, fine: go prove it.

                                          But don't sit here telling everybody that is the answer without the proof. That's just reckless.

                                          [–]Capitalist_P-I-G 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                          I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I don't buy into crazy stuff. But this is one case where proof is going to be hard to come by if it is true. Kinda hard to get police to roll-over on their masters.

                                          [–]p7r 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                          Well, we know that is not the case on this one. After Saville and Cyril Smith, there has been an on-going investigation.

                                          Cliff Richard, for example, had his house searched and he was a suspect for nearly a year before the Police agreed there was no evidence of wrong-doing. He is extremely angry about that. However, you can't say because they didn't find anything that there must be a conspiracy - that is a conspiracy theory reaction - you must assess that due process was done, there is no evidence to connect him to any crime, and therefore innocence must be presumed.

                                          When you stray from that, you're heading into a Trumpvilian-esque rabbit hole of doubt that requires the entire system to be corrupt, assumes guilt without evidence, and leads us onto a path of brutal unerring dictatorship.

                                          So please, accept that the police did a full and thorough job, and accept that there is no evidence, and assume that he is telling the truth about his innocence.

                                          The only evidence of his involvement - literally the only evidence - is a piece of paper produced without provenance from a convicted fraudster who was trying to sell a story to the press. Hardly compelling stuff, eh?

                                          [–]Capitalist_P-I-G 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                          "you must assess that due process was done"

                                          Why? I do think the system is, in the majority, corrupt.

                                          [–]p7r 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          If I interpret your comments literally: you believe that despite the fact that there are over 40,000 registered sex offenders in the UK, plus thousands more in the prison, and the fact that prominent celebrities (Hall, Harris, etc.), have been successfully prosecuted and imprisoned in recent years, that in fact there are at least that many more people out there who have never been convicted due to police corruption.

                                          That is absurd.

                                          [–]Jubilee_Jules 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          Personally I'm not commenting on Cliff Richards. I've not looked into it so I don't have enough info to even make a guess.

                                          Jimmy Saville and Cyril Smith though, yes, I'm going to go ahead and put them in the pedophile pile.

                                          [–]itsmekathy 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          I don't think there can be much doubt about Cyril Smith at this stage. He was accused of crimes in his lifetime and was even on the brink of arrest as far back as in the early 80s before the police pulled back on it for reasons unknown. He was using his influence to avoid prosecution and as we've now discovered, the crown prosecution service admitted he should have been charged with child abuse decades ago.

                                          Peter Morrison had also been caught molesting underage boys, which a blind eye was turned to, and there have to be suspicions about Leon Brittan (who was nearly arrested with Smith) and Peter Hayman too.

                                          [–]Jubilee_Jules 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Why is it that pedophiles who go after little boys often seem to get a free ride?

                                          [–]DakotaTheDawg 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Often times they use their money and influence to "help" the kids they molest.

                                          Coach molests you? Keep quiet he also helped you get that scholarship down the road.

                                          [–]Jubilee_Jules 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          There was just a huge youth football leagues pedophile scandal in England also.

                                          [–]p7r 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          There is substantial evidence, and you can't slander the dead, so all's fair there, certainly.

                                          However, I just wanted to urge caution on some of the Elm House allegations specifically: many of the accused abusers are alive and vehemently deny any involvement and are prepared to sue those who insist they are complicit or involved.

                                          [–]Jubilee_Jules 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Not seen any mentioned who are still alive. And they'd had years and years to sue if they wanted and no one has yet.

                                          Perhaps they don't want to give depositions.

                                          [–]ssldvr 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Thank you for this. This thread feels like I stepped into r/conspiracy.

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                                            [–]street_philatelist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Prolly cuz of a spooky ghosts

                                            [–]Darla000Marks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Definitely cuz of spooky ghosts!

                                            [–]Kinderhappyhippo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Is anyone accusing CR of literally murdering Jill Dando? All I've seen is that she was perhaps murdered because she discovered the ring and was going to expose it. Nothing to do with CR in particular

                                            [–]acripaul 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            There were alleged links between him and dandos partner at the time.

                                            [–]p7r 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            There is a conspiracy theory that he planned it, certainly.

                                            [–]Butchtherazor 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            What the hell happened to this post? Almost all of it is deleted and the comments that aren't don't make any sense without context.

                                            [–]Hysterymystery[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Yeah, I came back online and wasn't sure what had happened. Everyone was freaking out. I talked to the mod who deleted the posts and they said it was an issue with a potential witch hunt starting up and some civility issues, which...yeah, it kinda was.

                                            [–]Butchtherazor 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Oh, OK. It is barely intelligible, and the comments are why I enjoy this site so much!

                                            [–]Jubilee_Jules 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I didn't find that to be the case at all! It was a fascinating thread for the most part.

                                            Some of the anti-conspiracy people did get out of line, but I'm pretty much a live and let live person who would probably never delete anything.

                                            [–]kochampiwerko 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Most posts had names of politicians accused of involvement in British paedophilia scandal.

                                            Others were about pizzagate and conspiracy theories.

                                            Nothing really meaningful.

                                            [–]Butchtherazor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Awesome, thanks for the heads up!

                                            [–]GoldenHelikaon 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            Slightly off-topic, but now that I've read this I think the Elm Guest House has to be the inspiration for a plotline in a book series I've just finished reading. I think it was book 4 that had a house (in London) used for that exact reason that the main character wanted destroyed. I was disgusted when I read the book, but seeing that something like this is real (not that I had any doubt something this awful could exist) is just horrific.

                                            [–]RandyFMcDonald 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Which series?

                                            [–]GoldenHelikaon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Alex Verus series by Benedict Jacka. Urban fantasy, so it's the high ups in the magical community doing dodgy stuff instead.

                                            [–]SilentGatesofSleep 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I had the exact same thought when I read through that book.

                                            [–]xenburnn 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            it's not uncommon really, connected people don't have to play by the same rules. The same thing happens whenever there is a large disparity of power. Influential connections and wealth are just two examples.

                                            [–]GoldenHelikaon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Oh I know, which is one of the worst parts about this, is that it's not uncommon. Not to mention how high up it can go...

                                            [–]bruegeldog 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Has nothing to do with money.

                                            [–]evigt- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I never heard about this case before now, it's terrifying. Can't imagine how devastated the father must have felt, getting this phone call after all these years.

                                            [–]ImBrandy 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Cool post. Thanks. I don't have any valuable input or theory.

                                            [–]Hedrake 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            There was a 4-part? radio special on Vishal -- What Happened to Vishal?

                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byC6G8q8hNo

                                            There's also a good BBC documentary on pedophile rings led by Sidney Cooket:

                                            The Lost Boys

                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MI_Ij0QD3Y

                                            [–]Jubilee_Jules 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            Can you trust the BBC though? All those years they covered up for Jimmy Saville raping children.

                                            [–]Hedrake 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            Fair point, but that doesn't necessarily detract from what's in Lost Boys.

                                            [–]Jubilee_Jules 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            I'll have to watch it.

                                            I recently watched "Boys for Sale" by the now suicided Professor Tom Philipot and it broke my heart.

                                            [–]sloppyeyes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Do you know if they ever investigated his death as possibly not a suicide? Because I remember reading in one article something about him once being shot at, but I can't find anything on it.

                                            [–]Jubilee_Jules 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I think that's the Texas Monthly article? I have read that, probably have it bookmarked. I'll see if I can find it.

                                            I think the police put his death to be pretty early as a suicide and did not consider the early shooting into his home to be related.

                                            But the police in Houston also looked the other way basically between 1970 - 1973 when over 40 teens and boys disappeared from their city.

                                            Something is rotten at the top if 40 boys can go missing in a city of 1,232,802.

                                            [–]dekker87 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Cooke is directly related to this case.

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                                                      [–]Jubilee_Jules 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Epstein sure got off easy on the charges he faced.

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                                                            [–]fishsupper 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            I noticed that too. Highly suspect.

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                                                                [–]Jubilee_Jules 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                I've noticed that trend here myself.

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                                                                                            [–]PaleAsDeath 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                            *used to

                                                                                            now its just Trump and Pizzagate.

                                                                                            [–]hollieluluboo -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                            It's not conspiracy it's confirmed and there were arrests made.

                                                                                            [–]woodmoon 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            I don't think you know what "conspiracy" means.

                                                                                            [–]hollieluluboo -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Sorry I thought you meant media conspiracy

                                                                                            [–]__Mitchell___ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            I read the articles and didn't see anything approaching evidence that this occurred. Unsubstantiated claims by one individual.

                                                                                            [–]Jubilee_Jules -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Sir Edward Heath WAS a paedophile, says police chief: Astonishing claim is made that the former PM is guilty of vile crimes 'covered up by the Establishment'

                                                                                            Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238188/Sir-Edward-Heath-paedophile-says-police-chief.html#ixzz4Z5cKZMbO Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook