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[–]Sabremesh[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (21子コメント)

I endorse what /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway says about the golden rule - if you treat the other users of this sub with respect you will be welcomed here. But I also think it necessary to add a warning: People who come here to attack the sub or its users (Rule 10) are likely to be banned immediately, with little chance of appeal.

This sub has been growing steadily at a rate of about 15,000 per month for some time, we are currently just outside the top 100 largest subs. However, with any influx, there will be a percentage of newcomers who cause real problems for the sub - the anti-conspiracy types who refuse to entertain conspiracy theories that haven't been endorsed by the MSM, and/or haters who feel the need to attack the sub and its users, and try to create division within the userbase.

The sub saw a large influx of Donald Trump supporters last year, attracted partly because /r/conspiracy passionately despises Hillary Clinton (who is regarded as the high priestess of Deep State corruption) but also because this sub was one of the few subs which didn't chase out Trump supporters. This influx caused quite a few problems with our existing users (in what is and always will be an apolitical, or rather anti-political, subreddit) but on the whole, this Trump influx has made decent efforts to assimilate.

However, since shortly before the US elections in November, /r/conspiracy has seen a huge uptick in abusive users, most of whom appear to be rabidly anti-Trump, and this has caused a great deal of conflict within the sub, because it initiated a proxy war between pro/anti Trump supporters which has been very destabilising. It is unclear why this anti-Trump "brigade" decided to subscribe, seeing as most of them appear to qualify as anti-conspiracists, and it has caused a lot of work for the mods. We have been removing vast numbers of hostile (Rule 10) comments and banning offenders at an unprecedented rate.

Whereas a year ago, we might have banned 1 abusive user per day on average, that figure is nearer 10 per day at the moment. If you do the maths, that represents over 1,000 bans since the start of November (and yes, you read that right). The mods do not shy away from making these decisions - we are absolutely committed to defending this sub from threats, be they internal or external.

The point of my telling you this is to emphasise my warning at the beginning of my comment. If you come here to mock the sub or denigrate or antagonise its users, or try to disrupt the free discussion of conspiracies, your comments will be removed, and you will be banned, and it is very unlikely that you will be re-admitted.

[–]science_positive 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is actually very hard to believe when there are mods here who have broken numerous rules numerous times. A fine example of "do as we say, not as we do".

[–]18544920 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (23子コメント)

[–]Sabremesh 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This proves you don't know what you're talking about. This sub was highly critical of Hillary Clinton long before T_D even existed. This is not a partisan viewpoint, because I despise all political parties equally. It just so happens that Hillary is one of the most compromised, corrupt candidates ever to stand for election in modern United States history (pace Bill Clinton, LBJ and George Bush senior).

Whatever Donald Trump's faults/crimes are, they pale into comparison next to Hillary Clinton's.

[–]the_lowcast 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really. How about looking at reality?

Why are you not worried about who is running the show?

[–]mcfatten 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol look at the mods listed in those archives. A lot has changed since then.

[–]spru111 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably has something to do with them hiring a new mod after, what, five years? Said mod is obnoxiously pro trump.

When the dossier dropped he tagged the post "unverified", a tag they invented just for the dossier story. Then they deleted the post because it was "brigaded by shills". Then they banned people for calling them out.

So we have a mod who deletes a front page story about trump because he accuses it of being brigaded by shills, who is now telling us he'll totally ban people who accuse people of being shills.

[–]karikit 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right when did /r/conspiracy become pro Trump? It's gotten to the point where ongoing conspiracy threads (Trumps Russian connection for example) are just a bunch of people defending the government against conspiracy theories.

[–]Simplicity3245 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I despise Hillary, I came here after CTR took over politics. I do not think I am alone in that regard. You can despise Hillary and despise Trump. The problem is if you're against one the mentality is you're for the other. Is it so hard to criticize both sides?

[–]tymaan 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The illusion of choice during elections make people forget that they are both scumbags.

[–]ddaniels02 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it is if you're being paid by 1 of them. hehe

[–]Lavventura__1980 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The good ol' days for sure!

[–]18544920 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yep! I remember coming here reading different conspiracies, going from one link to other then to other then to other. It was fun, now it's different. Idk, feeling little sad to see how it is like now.

[–]Zafocaine 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The real government conspiracies are too heavy for you? I like nothing more than some hollow earth conspiracy, but this political conspiracy business is the real thing. It saddens me that so many "conspiracy buffs" can't hang once the real thing comes out. Don't worry, this stuff will eventually get buried, and you'll get to go back to your "What REALLY happened to Malaysia flight 370" posts. For now, let it roll. This is the first time in decades that people have been so receptive to political conspiracy. I understand if it scares you. It scares me. I'd rather be scared on the path to truth than to be comfortable in my bubble with my head in the sand.

[–]PetrovsSlit 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Party politics is just a show, I couldn't care less if you like Punch or Judy best.

The year long puppet show played out on the media has you in a frenzy.

Some would like to prolong your frenzy a little longer, because it's makes for great advertising opportunities.

Tune in tomorrow to see what that crazy Punch will do next. "That's the way to do it, that's the way to do it".

Meanwhile nothing changes in your country. The poor still get fucked over. Don't be a sucker.

[–]Zafocaine 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think many people here support either candidate, myself included. I definitely dislike Clinton, which is why I wish she had won in retrospect. It scares me that someone so evil can just slip back into the shadows.

Other than that bias, I completely agree with you. Things may change, but that has nothing to do with the public speaker known as POTUS. It's a stage performance.

[–]pineappledown -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What do those links point out? I looked at some of the comments in those threads (out of archive) and a lot of them are pretty consistent with the things I still believe, despite being a terrible T_D user as well as someone who likes to come here. I only see one Hilary post right now, /politics/ person! (Since apparently we classify people by the subreddit we choose to tell them they "belong" to now. Sounds familiar.)

[–]18544920 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nice try, but T_D people are vile, miserable human beings. Compare /r/politics and /r/t_d front page and comments then come back and tell me I'm wrong. I'll take screenshots if you want, to show the real difference. /r/politics doesn't have people yelling, typing with caps, insults, bold letters, memes, blatantly agreeing with every single person there (even when it's straight up lies,) all stuff I saw people typing when I was in middle school. T_D is a cult, /r/politics isn't.

Links point out different conspiracies, instead of one or two (like pizzagate, which takes up most of the space here on /r/conspiracy) that we see today. You people NEED to believe that pizzagate is real to satisfy yourselves and be able to tell yourselves that you guys were right (despite no concrete evidence, talking about pizza isn't proof) Hillary is evil child trafficker. Cult behavior.

[–]pineappledown 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. You sound like you need to relax. People don't communicate one one wavelength. Memes are art, meant to rouse the mind. Have you ever seen textual art before? You see art, and are disgusted. That says more about you, then the artist. (As art is often a spontaneous act of creativity and inspiration coming from larger relations, transcendent of an individual mind. Whereas the reaction, is specific and isolated to you. You can only know yourself.)

I don't blatantly agree when I go there. Seriously, look at my posts. People like you get banned, because you've gone past the point of reasonable conversation, and The_Donald would not be allowed to exist they let people do what they do in other subreddits, and we would lose a place to discuss things we agree on.

I'm not saying it's perfect, but politics is just as "bad" in the ways that matter to me (ideas), if you go into the comments. And your cherrypicking posts isn't going to convince me otherwise. There's a full variance of crazy on both sides, especially on the fringe.

I don't "believe" in pizzagate, I think it should be investigated (as it is being behind the scenes) because a lot of people are roused by it, and there is some creepy stuff going on there. I don't believe there is any proof of Hilary being directly involved. I don't see how it's cult behavior for some people to disagree with me about something that has a lot of people riled up for some reason. I doubt you know much more than I do about it, which isn't much, and I can tell you it's not simply just talking about pizza if you look at the leaks/symbols/trips to islands/creepy art on instagram feeds/etc.

[–]Simplicity3245 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Difference being is t_d is a circle jerk sub, and claims to be. Politics claims to be a neutral sub, and is anything but. I lean left, but this crap about if you support Trump, then you do not belong here rhetoric is getting old. Ideally who you support should be completely irrelevant, and we use the facts and speculations at hand to form our own conclusions. Seeing someone's retort as, oh you posted in t_d, so therefore your opinion is null, it's lazy and counterproductive.

[–]peekitup 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is a mostly empty post until we actually see you enforcing rule number 10. Posts/comments critical of Trump's administration get called shill as a tactic to discredit them. Posts/comments critical of pizzagate evidence are met with responses calling the critic a pedo or defending pedos.

Rule 10 needs to be enforced.

[–]sweetholymosiah 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find the mods enforce rule 10 more than any other.

[–]mayan33 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree - reminding people to post civilly and follow the forum rules is not empty...

[–]spru111 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The mod who posted that is the same mod who pushed faked image from the dossier trying to disprove it, flagged the post as "unveriefed" then deleted it because of a "brigade". Then he banned anyone that pointed this out.

Total hypocrite. He accuses people of being shills then turns around and says he'll totally ban people who accuse you of being shills.

What he really means is "Hey guys we'll ban anyone who calls you a shill. Unless you're a shill. Which you are. You shill".

[–]Sabremesh[M] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do not retaliate: avail yourself of the report button.

[–]edgarallenbro 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a counterpoint, if you're newer to the subreddit and the mindset, please don't come in swinging your viewpoint like an axe trying to convince people. Be open minded.

For myself, and many others, being "pro-Trump" is the (begrudging) result of a very complex mixture of political, philosophical, spiritual, and firsthand experiential knowledge that has been developed over years. Don't assume that someone is an edgy teen just because they have an opposing viewpoint from yours.

More importantly, don't consider the above counterpoint or any others as an attack. That is thinking of the two sides like a pendulum, which in a debate just turns into a wrecking ball. Think of it instead like a counterbalance, and try and find yourself somewhere in the middle, to construct a pragmatic, balanced viewpoint.

I am just as guilty of any of this as anyone else who has acted the same way towards me

[–]MilkyWitness 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So we can't call out shills...? Sounds like something a shill would say (seriously).

[–]JonathonFlowers 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of the people who get called shills aren't shills but regular people. It's a shitty way to shut someone down without actually providing a substantial argument.

[–]NOcomedy 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (58子コメント)

I was attacked by an idiot on this sub a while ago and you have banned me because I was defending myself. The guy that attacked me reported me and you banned me instead of him. You need to do a better job at investigating. I forgive you however.

[–]ruleten 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (16子コメント)

This happened to me one time too. Guy called me a shill, I called him one back. Turns out that guy was a mod.

Now my username is ruleten. Please note the rule on the sidebar.

(It's bullshit)

[–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

[removed]

    [–]ruleten 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    you won the prize

    [–]Sabremesh[M] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Removed. ruleten.

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (28子コメント)

    Firstly, if you are banned how are you commenting here?

    Secondly, if someone attacks you the best thing to do is report the incident to the modmail. Replying to attacks with more vitriol will end up with both parties being banned.

    Anyway, if you pm the modmail from your banned account I'll be happy to start up an appeal vote.

    [–]NOcomedy 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (25子コメント)

    I have created a new account. I tried to reason with you guys to no avail. I was ignored and sad for a couple of days. The least you could have done is to ban the bastard too. Never mind the past. The future is glowing !

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    I'm sorry you were ignored when you appealed in modmail, that was our mistake. We usually do our best to reply to modmails within 1-2 hours max, so that you never heard back really upsets me as well.

    Anyway, welcome back to the sub and I'm sorry that happened to you. At the very least, all users deserve a prompt and germane reply to their ban appeals.

    [–]NOcomedy 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Thank you. Your reply genuinely makes the situation better!

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Assuredly hugs

    PM me any time if something of that nature happens again (or even just to chat) PM's are seen by mods far quicker than modmail but should only be used for official purposes in situations like what happened to you above :)

    [–]NOcomedy 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you. You will be my go-to guy if anything happens. Much love !

    [–]gargamelwasafacist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    i was banned about a week, maybe two weeks, ago for spamming. my user name was /u/littleblueanarchist

    a 5 1/2 second glance at my posting history would have indicated that was it very unlikely i was a spammer. something happened that posted the same one sentence post of mine about 5 times. i don't know what happened, maybe my internet conection stuttered or something.

    i'm not requesting reinstatement. i only re-registered to give my 2 cents here, and maybe prevent the same from happening to someone else.

    i don't want to have to start all over again building up a history and good will. the atmosphere on reddit is too hostile, nobody trusts anybody any more and i already had to go through that with /u/littleblueanarchist after my original username /u/anarchosmurf was lost forever when my tablet with my reddit password died a tragic death after christmas....plus i waste less time now, so alls well that ends well and all that =)

    anti-conspirators, the only conspiracy that is of paramount importance right now is the one that has been working to distabilize our country since nov 9th. the hysteria we are bombarded with 24/7 right now would have happened under clinton too, of that i am now sure. i think the intial plan was to rile up the right/trump supporters pre-election so they would be the ones to go apeship, but the foil won despite the carefully crafted plan, so plan b, rile up the left/clinton and bernie supporters. every conspiracy that envolves the military industrial media complex has one goal--order through chaos. destabilizing america, destabilizes the entire world. talk about a NWO...

    it doesn't matter if trump was participant or patsy, just as a it doesn't matter if bernie was. the result is the same (personally, i think both are willi g and knowing participants. trump didn't build up his brand acting like he was batshit crazy. bernie didn't build up his brand being the partisan sheepdog of the dem party.. yet both have embraced their roles wholeheatedly...YMMV)

    stay vigilant my friends. stop fighting about the bullshit false dichotomy of left/right. the only meaningful dichotomy is top/bottom. it doesn't matter the name or the party or the profession, no one with power and money is your friend.

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Hi there,

    Can you send a reply to your ban message?

    If you did indeed submit the comment by accident 5 times in a row, we are happy to overturn the ban.

    We very much appreciate people like yourself who take time to engage in good faith, well reasoned, discussion and we'll do whatever we can to ensure you're not banned again in the future due to an accident.

    [–]EricCarver 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    that is so weird. I was banned, I calmly messaged the mods asking for forgiveness with a promise to change my behavior. They messaged me within an hour, talked with them explaining myself politely. I was reinstated and hasn't been a problem since.

    Next time just try being nice.

    [–]ftheec 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you are banned how do you comment?

    Are you serious? No, really, was that you being serious?

    [–]hazillow 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I love that this appeal to civility only came about when the narrative switched to Trump's obvious and blatant Russian ties. Where was this when I got my own post made about me by some T_D turd calling me out as a shill? This is selective policing at its finest and it is transparent what is being pushed.

    [–]fuckspezintheass 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I think all bans on this sub except obvious bot/spammers is retarded. The mods have gone in and out of phases of being oversensitive about comments and deleting them. I guess we are entering one of those phases again.

    [–]hazillow 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Conveniently right after a major news story breaks about Trump's Russian connection that T_D can't brigade with LOL FAKE NEWS comments

    Fascinating

    [–]asshair 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Why did you tag Trump's Dossier post as "Unverified Allegations"? Almost the entirety of Pizza Gate is unverified allegations. Almost all conspiracies in general are unverified allegations. Yet the only time you've ever used that tag is in relation to a conspiracy involving Donald Trump.

    If you're motivations were really about the "free exchange of ideas" then you wouldn't input your own ideas or biases on any threads.

    Very suspicious....

    [–]Euryalus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not only did they tag it, they removed it when it hit r/all, or was that a different one I'm thinking of. I unsubbed because of how bent this sub has become, but I still come back. I've loved it for years then it became clear they were censoring and politically one sided. They ruined a good thing.

    [–]WhiteyNiteNite 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Does this mean the mods are going to stop being so biased?

    [–]fuckspezintheass 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nope, this is just another veiled attempt to seem like good people.

    [–]mcfatten 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (33子コメント)

    Having seen no rule enforced upon anyone coming from the_fuckwit that screams "shill or shareblue" I can't take you seriously. Coupled with the fact that the mods actively try to discredit any trump related conspiracy with a tag this just seems sad. Chastising the user base when the mods shirk their responsibilities is pathetic. I also think it's funny that when the mods stick an announcement also happens to be whenever a large anti trump post is at the front, almost as if they don't no want it to be the first thing people see when they connect to r/conspiracy.

    [–]spru111 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The mod who posted that is the same mod who pushed faked image from the dossier trying to disprove it, flagged the post as "unveriefed" then deleted it because of a "brigade". Then he banned anyone that pointed this out.

    Total hypocrite. He accuses people of being shills then turns around and says he'll totally ban people who accuse you of being shills.

    What he really means is "Hey guys we'll ban anyone who calls you a shill. Which you are. You shill".

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (31子コメント)

    Coupled with the fact that the mods actively try to discredit any trump related conspiracy with a tag this just seems sad.

    Are you referring to the posts that were tagged during raids from other subs?

    We're going to continue to do that, in a content neutral fashion, so long as places like /r/politics allow their userbase to mass raid threads in this sub that their "hivemind" doesn't like; as that type of raiding is antithetical to the free exchange of ideas, and undermines reasoned discourse in the pursuit of vacuous ideological ends.

    [–]Ragefan66 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can you explain the immediate downvotes to any story that paints Trump or his administration in a bad light? There are a lot of people here who think that there are bots/The_Donald brigades constantly on the new tab.

    I've seen it myself countless times and I myself have seen the down votes come in waves of tens and twentys because of an article that paints Trump in a bad light. How can we ever criticize our president if posts can never get out of the negatives? Seriously, scan through the top 500 posts on this sub, not a single post that paints Trump in a bad light, in fact they're all trying to discredit the fact that Flynn resigning may have been a bad sign.

    It just seems like the comments and the articles themselves never agree with each other, which only leads me to speculate that these articles are being vote manipulated.

    [–]mcfatten 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (25子コメント)

    Yes I am referring to the posts about the Russian influence on Donald trump. Yes I am referring to the fact that just because a large number of people hear about a conspiracy and then go talk about it on the conspiracy subredddit makes the mods think it's a brigade. are you telling me if a NASA related conspiracy presents itself your plan is to label that thread, "r/space brigade". No, absolutely not. You are trying to control the narrative of discussion. You are attempting to mitigate actual discussion and it's a pathetic action.

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    As I said, all of our moderation is content neutral and done in accord with the reddit terms of service as to the issue of brigading.

    If users from one sub go into another, by following a specific link (as was the case with /r/politice) with the intent of manipulating the normal flow of the sub, then those users are in violation of the reddit TOS and we will moderate as such; what you're suggesting would be akin to asking us to ignore doxxing because you want to target a specific individual who hasn't been named in the press. It's not happening.

    [–]Askalan 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Just out of curiosity (pls don't ban me), will you tag today's post about Flynn, too?

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (21子コメント)

    Do you have a link to where it is being briagded from?

    Thanks.

    [–]Oxford89 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    This post was labeled as "ETS BRIGADE" at ~120 upvotes. How can you determine a brigade with confidence that early? How can the mods be sure that it was not upvoted organically? I've been here a while and have noticed a peculiar trend where flagged posts tend to be those that run counter to the Trump agenda or which his administration look bad.

    Shit, the dossier post was flagged as 'UNVERIFIED' by mods an in attempt to discredit it. There are countless other posts in here every day that are unverified. That's kind of the whole point of this sub, actually. If it was verified it wouldn't really be a conspiracy, would it? It seemed like that that flag was more about squelching dissent rather than stopping a brigade. I mean, y'all even removed the entire post a few hours after flagging it. What is up with that?

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Hi there,

    If we are given links to around reddit which contain comment threads specifically pointing users to this subreddit, we will take action to ensure the brigade does not subversively influence the organic curation of content on this sub; as mandated by the reddit tos.

    [–]Oxford89 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So you are telling me that someone, anyone, can create a thread on another sub pointing to a thread in /r/conspiracy and you will take that as grounds to flag it or remove it? That is a shaky policy.

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Depending on context, if a link to /r/conspiracy from another sub influences the organic curation of content in this community then yes, we will take action pursuant to the reddit tos.

    [–]Askalan 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Was it last time? Thought it was "brigaded" by /r/all aka a post that is upvoted a lot will get attention from users from other subs, which many in here called "brigading".

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Oh, the last posts that were flaired had been linked directly in the comment sections of /r/politics submissions.

    So yea, if you have any links which show another sub engaging in that type of behavior today please forward that along and I will take action, flair the post as needed, and contact the admins right away.

    Cheers.

    [–]AnalogDan 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    If the comment results in manipulation of the organic curation of content on this sub, then yes. It would also likely result in a site wide suspension for violating the reddit TOS.

    [–]RDS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for this. I'm sure there are a number of lurkers who are not regulars in this sub and see the brigading attempts as just another post within the sub. They have done a much better job at blending in.

    While it is hard to outright ban any accusations of shills, etc. -- unfortunately the sub is at a point where they are everywhere and we are being manipulated from outside, and the way we fight this is by sharing the information with others. While it may be extremely apparent to some of us, we have to realize a ton of new users have come this way due to the election, wikileaks and other recent events, so it can be very hard to discern the genuine from the fraudulent.

    I find it funny that this is a constant accusation spouted by these people and directed towards the mods. Claiming that this whole Russia incident is a conspiracy (when MSM has been covering it, and its an advisor speaking with russia -- not the world's biggest conspiracy here folks) and you as a mod team are actively trying to surpress it is just ridiculous imo.

    You guys have continued to defend this sub for years now and I commend you all for it.

    [–]imcraiggy 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Thank you for this. Everyone is subjected to their opinion(s), but it doesn't need to include insults and name-calling. I've been a victim of that on here and im glad to see this reminder that its not okay. This is one of the last places on reddit , and even on the internet you can actually get some good information from others, make uncensored comments and share your thoughts. I don't want to see this sub compromised.

    [–]trumpsexual 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    everyone is subjected to their opinion(s)

    unless you have the opinion that this is a corporate sponsored echo chamber designed to keep you from taking action against your masters. discussing echo chambers or how no action is ever taken results in a pretty quick ban.

    [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This is one of the last places on reddit , and even on the internet you can actually get some good information from others, make uncensored comments and share your thoughts. I don't want to see this sub compromised.

    Your kind words mean a lot to us as a mod team, and I can assure you we will do everything in our power to continue to protect this subreddit from the egresses of outside forces, intent on destroying the ethos of free flowing information that we have tried for so long to inculcate.

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      [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (42子コメント)

      Well, the sidebar rules do spell out that shill accusations (based on context) are against the rules. If that is occurring, feel free to drop us a message and we'll review the situation.

      We do however leave some leeway for accusations (or implications) with context, as paid online operatives are very much real, and we need to give users some amount of space in which to protect this community.

      It is certainly a fine line, and we do our best to ensure the community has the tools needed to ward off JTRIG like tactics while also taking steps to protect the discourse from devolving into nothing but insipid one word accusations. .

      [–]Peutin 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (32子コメント)

      I rarely see people who indirectly accuse me of being a shill getting punished, but maybe that's just my confirmation bias....

      Paid online operatives may be real, but there is zero way to prove someone is or isn't one. It's all based off of their beliefs. So, if I try debunking PizzaGate, does that mean I'm a Clinton paid operative working to cover up the crime for her?

      It's impossible to prove or disprove someone's a paid shill. Moreover, what is the net benefit of this? Are most shill accusations right or wrong? I'd wager most are wrong, so they end up hurting overall discourse rather than stopping real shills.

      [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (29子コメント)

      So, if I try debunking PizzaGate, does that mean I'm a Clinton paid operative working to cover up the crime for her?

      I think the issue with that topic in particular, is that those who make arguments which suggest that "there is nothing to see there" are seen as being sympathetic to pedophiles, which tends to inflame emotions and makes rational discourse exceedingly difficult.

      Moreover, what is the net benefit of this?

      I think the user base and the mod team feel that an environment which is hostile to potential paid subversion benefits the sub as a whole by engendering the standing of the individual person in the discursive process; even in the face of massive amounts of capitol being spent by those working within framworks established by Eglin, JTRIG, Hasbara, etc...

      [–]Shillbully 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I think the user base and the mod team feel that an environment which is hostile to potential paid subversion benefits the sub as a whole by engendering the standing of the individual person in the discursive process;

      That which is most hostile towards bullshit is logic and sound reasoning, not ad hominem attacks.

      Those I see accusing others of being shills aren't those I see presenting logical arguments and sound reasoning. It's exactly the opposite. They merely assert an opinion, frequently and repeatedly, and when challenged with logic and reason, resort to ad hominem attacks, one of which is accusing their opponent of being a shill, though accusing their opponent of being a pedophile is also popular.

      To the extent that there are shills in this forum, I think it is these people who are the shills. Most people don't pass up an opportunity to share the evidence they find so convincing, but if one doesn't honestly hold the opinion they're presenting, they would have a difficult time defending it against any counterarguments. So they have limited options. One option is to attack the credibility of those presenting counterarguments and hope that everyone ignores the counterarguments as a result.

      Another option is to respond with "do your own research." This merely asserts that evidence exists without requiring knowledge about any of it, which is useful given that they aren't knowledgeable about any of it. Again, most people who want to promote their opinion won't pass up the opportunity to convince others by presenting the arguments and evidence that cause them to hold that opinion. So when one asks for more information, and is merely told "do your own research," that screams "I don't know, I'm just posting what I'm told."

      It's never necessary to point out that these people are shills. They are far too easy to argue against. Arguing against them will change the minds of others who read those arguments, whereas calling them shills will merely make one look like a shill themselves.

      [–]ruleten 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm with you on this but censoring people isn't the answer and will never work.

      [–]ConspiciousTA 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Trolls from Olgino, Nimble America, Cambridge Analytica. Three more frameworks which consist of directing online commentary towards their own viewpoints.

      [–]911bodysnatchers322 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (16子コメント)

      I think the problem is that people who side with clinton like to do this thing where they cross their arms and say 'there's no evidence for HIllary being a criminal'. This pisses people off because she's already decidedly a criminal, by the FBI's own words and congressional house investigations inquest testimony. But the arm-crossers haven't seen that youtube. They just don't care about actual facts or the law. Social justice > criminal justice and the ends justify the means to the morally corruptible--for example, those who take money from somene on CL to lie to people online in an attempt to 'win hearts and minds'

      The problem is not about pizzagate, it's about politicking. People are ignoring factual information on the Clinton side because they don't like Trump--and their dislike of trump is based on no evidence but fear (false evidence appearing real). My suggestion is that if you really want to be fair, find dirt on Trump. But don't ignore the mountains of dirt on Clinton. There's so much incredible dirt on Clinton that she could start her own raised garden bed business and give everyone in america a garden in their front lawns. Which would be a good use of her dirt actually.

      No the problem that infuriates people--and this includes people who don't even support trump--as it is a false dilemma fallacy and strawman argument to assume being against clinton is being in support of trump--is that Clinton is a fugutive from the law, and now she's teasing and taunting people over pizzagate, which, and maybe call it something else, like Crimegate or humantraffickinggate or extortiongate or 7thfloorgroupcoupgate

      These people defending her are revealing how very little they know about history that's unfolding before their eyes. They don't know how to handle material facts. They don't read. They don't dig. They don't use critical thinking skills. They can't handle context. They can't handle nuance. They can't handle metanarrative. They can't keep up. They have a pathological incapacity to evaluate information for factuality, by playing it against other counternarratives and reading between the lines of BS politicking. They can't read a news story from several different outlets and then use a skeptics tool of weighing it against other such stories, or considering that discreditabilitiy of varioius journalistic outlets versus others that have never been wrong (MSM vs wikileaks)

      This is why people are infuriated by these people. They show up, cross their arms and then want you to prove your position, ignoring of course that you already have, fully cited, and they are simply too lazy to do their homework.

      Not even a simple search of the sub

      NOt even a simple perusal of list of confirmed conspiracies

      They try to debunk and deny and disprove and deflect and distract without showing any kind of attempt at being a real skeptic (ie: they are pseudoskeptics).

      This is why we call them shills. They might be unpaid, or even interns, or even just tourons who have been inculcated into the cult of pseudoskepticism and antiintellectualism--not sure; but the end result is the same.

      They denigrate this sub. Enough of them and and the sub is worthless. So...there you go. That's the point. And that's why we call them out.

      But there is value in saying that doesn't work anymore. The way you fight them is by raising the bar and then blocking them. IF reddit had a better block feature or a way of crowd-blocking people heuristically (ie: enough people block someone that they start to be muted / down weighted in comments so that upvoting their comments has an inherent divisor....)

      [–]Mouth2005 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      please don't take this as me being a "Clinton arm crosser", but your comment makes it sound like anyone who is anti-trump, has to be pro-clinton, that is so far from the truth. I would love to have a discussion about trump that doesn't circle back to demands that i defend Clinton instead of criticizing Trump, believe it or not i hate both of them, but only one of them won the election, I 110% agree clinton is dirty, that is nothing new.... and i would love joining anti-clinton conversations if they were grounded to reality; she rigged the primaries..count me in, pay to play foundation...i'm there, erased emails to cover her own ass...hell yea she did! i would never and have never arm crossed any of these topics...

      but i invite you to find these discussions because unfortunately a strong majority of the anti-clinton post is in other dimensions, many are obviously just dedicated circle jerks, using her as a punching bag to attack the left as whole; I.e: "Hillary and the Democrats are running a pedo sex trafficking ring", "eric braverman hasn't used his twitter recently so Hillary must have killed him", "6 degrees of Hillary connects her to sandusky", "High profile Dem arrest coming in X amount of time".... these are so outlandish, they are hard to take seriously.... i mean the only conspiracies about her right now on our front page is multiple post about the exact same thing "how dare she reference the same conspiracy she is accused running to troll Flynn" seriously?? that's just a bunch of snowflakes upset that someone else besides the hair piece would use their twitter to troll haters...

      also i hope you can understand how much your comment perfectly describes the feelings of both sides towards the other right now, and how desperately we need to find a way to bury this hatchet and move on.... i mean, if you swapped the names in the more generic parts of your comments it could easily be re-posted about trump arm-crossers.... both sides are looking at the other the exact same way....

      (please don't nit pick specifics im only using this as a quick example so obviously it's not perfect, but hopefully you can see what i mean)

      The problem is not about pizzagate, it's about politicking. People are ignoring factual information on the trump side because they don't like Clinton... My suggestion is that if you really want to be fair, find dirt on Clinton. But don't ignore the mountains of dirt on Trump. There's so much incredible dirt on Trump that he could start her own raised garden bed business and give everyone in america a garden in their front lawns. Which would be a good use of his dirt actually.

      [–]BigPharmaSucks 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      also i hope you can understand how much your comment perfectly describes the feelings of both sides towards the other right now, and how desperately we need to find a way to bury this hatchet and move on....

      In my humble opinion, the problem starts when you pick a side.

      [–]DoYouBooBooDoYou 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Your entire comment is redic and points only to one side of the annoying. I'm here frequently and rarely if ever see these die hard clinton supporters with their arms crossed like u describe. It's possible that u want to see that so u do. The bigger problem with what you say and the problem with this sub and life In general right now is there are very few people willing to look at all evidence from a rational point of view. TD in my opinion is the absolute worst and that sub is worse than a safe space, echo chamber. TD has become a facist cult where any desenting opinion is met with immediate bans.

      So please stop acting like this is a one sided topic it's not and currently the most egregious by far are TD.

      [–]RememberSolzhenitsyn -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I'm here frequently

      Exclusively telling everyone in this sub how stupid they are for investigating PG.

      [–]DoYouBooBooDoYou 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Wrrrrrroooooong.

      I just point out how ridiculous the some of the connections based on 7 degrees of kevin bacon separation are.

      All I've asked for is honest dialogue which most in the PG community refuse to do. Either you accept every claim or you are a shill

      [–]homogenized 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      No you dont. You ignore facts and evidence and scream what about the pizza part doeeeee?!?!

      You do realize where this started and where its gone. A huge trafficking, raping, torturing, murdering, ring of kid fuckers and satanic abusers. Run, protected, used, blackmailed, operation brownstoned by our govt.

      And a man on the ground got busted, Epstein, and instead of a min 20 year sentence he did a few months with no actual guards. Docs that show he or his team knew he wouldnt face time. He's still paying jane doe's as they come forward.

      If you did your research youd understand how big these networks are, what they do, etc. And the stupid name is not about just james alefuckskids, its about this secret group tied to MUCH LARGER things in the world, but also bound by the heinous fucking activity.

      What you do is not contributing to conversation. It provokes people, and its unintellectual.

      [–]shmusko01 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They don't know how to handle material facts. They don't read.

      saving this for later

      [–]Kind_Of_A_Dick 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The rules also clearly state to not be rude or attack other users, so why are you ignoring those rule breakers? There's plenty of examples of people insulting other users and treating them harshly for sharing a differing opinion in a civil manner, yet basically most of them are allowed to continue doing so. I understand it can take some time to process reports, but it seems many people can just completely ignore Rule 10.

      [–]Panda_chic 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Just wondering why shills would bother targeting r/conspiracy in any way? This sub's impact on reddit overall seems pretty low and it would be much easier to criticise and destabilise from the outside - "tinfoil hat", "crazy", etc. - than come into the sub and do their work here. It seems like it would be a waste of resources to try and control any narrative here given that we are super sceptical about anything outside of our own pet theory.

      The only time it may happen seems to be when a post briefly hits r/all, but even then there are enough non-shill users (from politics and td) who will be all too happy to do their work for them.

      [–]wh40k_Junkie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because people come here from reddit, when the narrative gets too weird for them and they start asking questions. Making his place look insane is a good way to get people back on track of "nothing to see here".

      [–]saintcmb 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      personally I see it so much here my perception is that it is ok with you guys(mods) Im also not the type to go run and tell all of the time. I have never seen a shill accusation that had any evidence to back it except account history.

      [–]throwaway_poos 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I understand this and appreciate the great work you've doone having a very open and positive conversation here about what's going on (in general and not just about rule 10). But I agree that it's very hard to believe that rule 10 is being enforced fairly when you have someone in this very thread summoning and then attacking another user without consequence, while /u/ruleten's documented instances of issues with mods are being removed.

      I think it would be a very good thing for this sub to revisit rule 10 protection for the mods and strictly enforce it against users. I agree that there are paid shills, but if there really is proof of that why do we need to throw accusations around on the sub? Why not just pm the proof to the mods and leave it to them to ban the user?

      The front page of this sub currently has multiple self-posts accusing broad and undefined groups of users (let's be honest, they're attacking people that espouse Trump related conspiracies), and this is echoing down into comments that spend more time assaulting and ad homineming people that accuse Trump of bad acts then actually discussing the facts. Is this really good for the sub? No one (ourselves included--even long time users question the bias of this sub) is going to take this sub seriously if it's viewed as a branch of T_D and if we're not taken seriously we can't do anything. I don't think anyone here that participates in good faith does so just for shits and giggles, I personally came here because I think this sub is a good thing to have and that exposing government corruption and malfeasance can actually help people.

      [–]Positive_pressure 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      r/politics died when they started banning people for calling out astroturfing. I sincerely hope r/conspiracy does not follow that route.

      [–]spru111 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I just want the mods to talk about why the newest mod is blatantly pro trump and why that's okay on a sub about conspiracies. He bans people who point this out. He flags the dossier post "unverified" then does the very thing he says they want to crack down on and accuses people of brigading the sub. Oh and as soon as the dossier dropped he started going around posting photoshopped fakes of the dossier trying to disprove it.

      This sub went to shit a long time ago and the mods are only pretending to be unbiased.

      [–]VoltageSpike 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The mods might as well be Cheeto Benito's excess skin tags at this point. They're all obviously doing everything they can to keep the subreddit from criticizing Herr Cheddar in any way.

      [–]mrsnakers 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      My question for the mods is more about users like /u/Peutin who spam this sub with articles from fucking VOX and clearly do not believe any conspiracies except the current mainstream ones. That concern troll that the sub "needs to get back to its roots".

      When u/Peutin was asked "What are some of your favorite conspiracy theories that you believe in?" He responds "I'm not too much into this stuff."

      Some of his fun quotes:

      Eglin just happened to show a large amount of activity. Wouldn't most people there be young guys, surfing the web?

      Podesta isn't a pedophile, no matter how much partisan reactionaries hate him and are triggered by nude statues and confused by out-of-context references to culinary dishes.

      made up false stories of BLM and Soros

      you seem to have fell for the anti-Soros propaganda. How sad

      Hillary is actually quite funny and witty

      This sub is mentally ill

      I come to this sub for entertainment purposes

      Is it wrong I come to this sub for entertainment purposes?

      this isn't even my main account

      Witnesses' memories are notoriously bad

      CTR's role is over-exagerated, especially in this sub

      Venezuela kicking out out CNN for reporting critical information is fascist

      This isn't cherry picking, this is what a large majority of this user's comments look like, they are here solely to say "nothing to see here citizen". And not only this, he's aggressively active in nearly every thread. I consider myself to be very active here as of late, but this guy is a total power commentor. What about users who obviously aren't here to actually dive into conspiracies and to discuss them, but rather, to divide and cause problems in the comments sections?

      edit magick trick time: watch my comment go from positive to negative / controversial for the first few hours then magically back to well received after a day or so. Every. Time.

      edit 2 from +6 to -3 in the first hour, to controversial for a day, to positive a day later. Just like I figured. Fuck you brigading fucks. You better hedge your bets this shit isn't real.

      [–]Peutin 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Not the mods, but I can answer your questions about /u/Peutin.

      who spam this sub with articles from fucking VOX

      Spam? You mean one article? Your spam filter is too strong - tone it down.

      clearly do not believe any conspiracies except the current mainstream ones.

      There is no requirement for me to believe x number of conspiracy theories. I can believe how many I want.

      When u/Peutin was asked "What are some of your favorite conspiracy theories that you believe in?" He responds "I'm not too much into this stuff."

      True, I'm more of a debunker than a believer. Why don't you post the rest of my response:

      CIA drug connections, Russia's large scale disinformation campaign in the West, FBI grooming terrorists and then pretending to nab them.... and that's probably it. I'm not too much into this stuff.


      Some of his fun quotes:

      Nothing wrong with anything I've said. Be substantive. What's wrong with what I said?

      And not only this, he's aggressively active in nearly every thread.

      Every thread? I always pick the top 5 or so threads to comment in. Your confirmation bias is blinding you.

      What about users who obviously aren't here to actually dive into conspiracies and to discuss them, but rather, to divide and cause problems in the comments sections?

      Divide? Cause problems? What problems have I caused? All I do is debunk stuff.

      Your fascist impulse to ban dissent will never be lived out. Sorry.

      [–]mrsnakers 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      I believe I found a solution for both of us. It really is a great solution and I think you will find much more happiness and fulfillment if you follow my advice:

      Take your shit to r/skeptic

      I have no problem with debunking, in fact, many of us encourage it - but if that's literally the sole reason you are here, and if there's also a supplementary narrative that you are pushing along with your debunking - so it's not just debunking for debunking sake - then I think perhaps you might stand in contradiction to the very essence of what this sub is about and would find more fulfillment elsewhere.

      [–]Peutin 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      No can do sir. I shall keep posting and debunking here, since the people believing hoaxes don't visit /r/skeptic. What's the point of debunking misinformation if no one's around to see it?

      [–]mrsnakers 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      So let's recap here.

      • You are admitting you only come here to debunk
      • You consider this sub "entertainment", you aren't 'very much into' conspiracies
      • You are using an alt to conceal the other subs you frequent
      • You could take your claims and accusations elsewhere but you want to stick around in this sub that you are diametrically opposed to simply because it gives you the best chance at changing the mindset of the userbase of said sub.
      • You have your own dehumanizing terminology calling people fascist / Russian who disagree with you

      And yet, you are confused and disheartened when people call you a shill?

      I don't believe you're a shill. I just think you're entirely misguided and somewhat a "useful idiot" a term you've repeatedly used to describe users of this sub.

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        [–]mrsnakers 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The equivalent of someone constantly posting Dawkins quotes in r/Christianity then messaging the mods when the users call you an atheist.

        [–]Peutin 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Bad analogy. You already knew that, however,

        [–]madmaxsin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Damn guys, don't make me separate you two.

        [–]throwaway_poos 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        how is this not a violation of Rule 10? It's a direct attack on another user.

        [–]mrsnakers 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        If they enforced Rule 10 in the case of my response, they would enforce it every single time someone calls someone a Trump supporter / T_D 2.0 poster.

        Outting someone's agenda by putting together a logical, factual recap of their responses isn't the same as ad-hominems.

        [–]throwaway_poos 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I appreciate the importance of outing shills, but I think this whole sub has gone overboard with it (though admittedly I'm a new user). Too many people here attack other's as shills, but never adress their arguments.

        I'm not accusing you of doing this, to be clear, but I don't see the value of doing it in general. It seems to me that when there is evidence it should be provided to the mods and left to them to ban the user or otherwise, if the user's activity rises to an actual conspiracy to manipulate and disparage the voices of this sub (whatever you think of /u/Peutin, I don't see any evidence of paid shilling, just shitposting at worst) then that's a conspiracy and it's appropriate. But look at the frontpage right now, it's full of people just casually accusing their political opponents with no evidence, literally they are posts where actual conspiracy theories, with documentation, are being dismissed because of the political ramifications and not based on the facts. I'm sorry but that, to me, puts this sub in danger of becoming an echo-chamber and losing all credibility for the users that actually expose serious malfeasance.

        To be clear, I'm not advocating for censorship, I just think that public attacks on other users foster an atmosphere where ad hominem trumps factual argumentation, and that hurts us all. The mods have the authority to ban shills and sticky lists of irreputable news sources (with documentation). I don't think we should stop policing ourselves, I just think that we need to step back and look at whether we are doing it constructively or because the current political atmosphere is so charged. We're not here to proxy war Trump v. Hillary, we're here to protect ourselves, and others, from the malfeasance of governments, corporations, and whatever other powers-that-be.

        [–]EricCarver 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (34子コメント)

        I am here a lot, and I don't see a lot of shill accusations except from those people acting shilly with young accounts or accounts that have been idle for ages until all of a sudden.

        [–]McPeePants34 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Literally in this thread.

        And this is currently on the frontpage of the sub.

        [–]mki401 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Bullshit, it's in literally every PG thread. If I wasn't on my phone, I could easily link a dozen such comments from the current front page threads

        [–]EricCarver 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        oh, I don't go in those much as Voat is the best source for Pgate info. I just downvote them here.

        [–]Peutin 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Probably because you're not on the receiving end of it.

        [–]Askalan 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (24子コメント)

        Because you are a Trump supporter and have fallen for propaganda. If you had even once criticised Trump on here, you would know how fast the shill accusations are coming. (Edit)

        [–]EricCarver 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        I am trump neutral and actually lately have been saying plenty about him and his crappy cabinet choices. He isn't perfect.

        [–]Askalan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (12子コメント)

        The National Security advisor has ties to Russia. He resigned one hour after the story broke. Goldman Sachs has key positions in this goverment. Nearly every cabinet member is a millionaire or billionaire who wants to destroy what their department stands for. Trump himself is probably just a puppet of Putin. Saying that Trump "isn't perfect" is a huge understatement and just shows how successful the propaganda of the alt-right was.

        [–]EricCarver 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        You making this post political doesn't make you look intelligent. Why not save the hard sell for where it is relevant?

        [–]Askalan 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        No arguments anymore, so you start to insult me, I see. I posted here because it's about ettiquette and shill-calling of Trump supporters counts to that.

        [–]EricCarver 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Go in peace, brother.

        [–]Askalan 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I hope you wake up one day.

        [–]EricCarver 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        you hijacking stickied posts to discuss political topics won't wake anyone, it turns people off. so if you are trying to wake people, you're doing it wrong.

        [–]N0t_my-prezz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        These trump supporters think they woke... but sadly the opposite is true.

        [–]polisgay 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Irony in your post history, calling young accounts trolls.

        [–]Askalan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        The comment you mean is when I mentioned Russian trolls to a guy who said 90 % of "shills" are coming from CTR. You should work on your reading comprehension and maybe look at the context of comments.

        [–]polisgay 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        "[–]Askalan 3 points 16 hours ago*

        Wait a minute, your account is just two hours old...lol, you nearly got me, sneaky troll."

        That's the comment I'm referring to and regardless of the context, it's dripping with irony.

        [–]Askalan 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Lol that, this in /r/srilanka were a guy in particular repeatedly made new accounts just to troll. That sub is very small, so you recognise something like that quite easily.

        You see, you should always look at the context, a lesson for the future!

        [–]fuckspezintheass 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Irony in your post history, calling young accounts trolls.

        You see, you should always look at the context, a lesson for the future!

        You mean like when he provided context to you of why it was ironic? You're trying to say "well it wasn't exactly like this, so you're wrong! He he I win another internet argument in my head!" But he already provided the context of which it is ironic and funny. Just accept it and admit it. We don't know who you are in real life. No one is going to remember you after this thread. It's okay little buddy.

        [–]polisgay 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Doesn't make it less hilarious

        [–]murphy212 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Because you are a Trump supporter and have fallen for propaganda. If you had even once criticised Trump on here, you would know how fast the shill accusations are coming.

        Sorry but this is simply not true. I have been honestly critical/skeptical of Trump ever since I joined, and have never been called a shill, or otherwise criticized. Actually my postings tend to be appreciated.

        One among many examples : 89% upvoted, 350 points, not 1 single shill accusation.

        [–]wrongisright9 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I am critical of Trump too and haven't been called a shill. Maybe this is naive, but I don't think I would even care if somebody called me a shill because I know I am not one. I also find the MSM/neo-liberal/neo-con narratives that get repeated from CNN and echoed on this sub to be abhorrent though.

        [–]fuckspezintheass 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No maybe because some people have the ability to criticize Trump and Trump supporters with actual logic and reason instead of bullshit like "you've fallen for the propaganda!" and the endless sea of shit we hear all the time.

        [–]bannana 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I get shill hurled at me almost daily for actively speaking out against pg, dapl, and drumpf policy.

        [–]Rockran 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I am here a lot

        Me too.

        As this subs #1 shill-accused user, I can confirm that there are a lot of shill accusations.

        [–]bunnieluv 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        They are a real thing, though.

        I agree it is preferable to engage the evidence, but shills usually start with an insult and never address the evidence unless their overlords have provided them with the canned response.

        [–]saintcmb 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That sounds a lot like the people that call others "shills". They don't like their opinion but cant argue the merits of their own opinion, so they call others shills.

        [–]Kind_Of_A_Dick 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I figure a stickied post might get a better chance of response from a mod, but why not be as transparent as possible? This is a conspiracy sub, populated by people who believe those in charge are hiding things from us(or those in charge are hidden from us). I'm guessing you guys have some sort of mod chat where you discuss various aspects of the sub and how to proceed, so why not make those available to the users here to view?

        Not only that, but putting a sticky on certain topics seems to show there's a serious bias here. This applies especially when you(mods) feel it's fine to sticky PG stuff and also tag other ones as hoaxes and remove them. Remember when the Trump Dossier post was quickly removed with the claim it was a 4chan hoax? Maybe some of the mods here are compromised or they're explicitly trying to push their own agenda by abusing the privileges granted by being a mod. Any stickied post should be tagged with the mod's name, and so should posts that have a lot of upvotes and are removed.

        Basically what I'm saying is that without transparency, why shouldn't the users of this sub seriously question the motives of those few that control it?

        [–]8n0n 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Dear mods,

        How about we put an end to the Julian Assange is dead v alive posts?

        The he is dead (or alive and turned) and subsequent speculation of it is a major resource burn that adds nothing constructive to this sub. It is degrading, divisive, and no amount of arguments for or against (or proof from Julian himself) will satisfy people debating the matter with exception to those trolling and/or trying to distract us from other possible conspiracies.

        For those that need a personal opinion: After seeing the Hannity interview video and other times he has appeared publicly, I am convinced he is alive and frustrated with being stuck in that embassy. Speculative posts on his current status downplays the pain and suffering this is causing Julian and his family which reflects poorly on all people that debate this issue (and by proxy this sub itself, rule 10 states 'Posts that attack this sub' which I find 'very' poorly enforced).

        I state that as an Australian, with a better understanding of the accent and mannerisms of my fellow countrymen than most people who visit this sub, and not from a position of wishful ignorance or emotional belief (see my post history if you doubt the conviction of my character).

        Please, from a humanitarian angle, can we cut out that out and start actively trying to restore the quality of this sub, to better reflect what we had over six months ago?

        Regards,

        8n0n, Australia.

        Edit-

        Read this post at own risk and presume this has been modified by Reddit Inc

        [–]Askalan 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (38子コメント)

        I would like to mention that the fucking National Security Advisor of US has ties to Russia. Was this even once discussed before in this sub? A friendly reminder to all the Trump supporters to not just follow a dear leader and maybe, just maybe, to not call everyone who rightly criticises Trump of being nothing more than a Russian puppet a "shill".

        [–]d121212 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        You were always free to start that thread. I had been preoccupied with Wikileaks and the Russia thing seemed like the boy who cried wolf so I wasn't paying attention. I read an article where this was predicted - the media would condition us to not respond by being wrong so often.

        Edit: autocorrect turned Wikileaks into Wikipedia. Oops.

        [–]Sarah_Connor[M] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        +1 -- this is why we (the mod team) sort of dont really reply to people bitching about "this sub is no longer about conspiracies -- its all about [Whatever now!!!1]"

        The thing is - we are mods who, as this actual thread is all about, are trying to keep the overall container of this community civil, interesting and, as much as possible, not fucked - for lack of a better term... however -- reddit is all about user submitted content. If you don't see what content you want here, then it's actually your obligation as a /u/ to submit that which you would like sen/discussed.

        participate....

        For years, though, myself and likely thousands of others wish we could have sub /r/r/ (e.g.; /r/conspiracy/UFOs) and allow for buckets of content like that....

        We can do filters, but I, personally, would like to be able to filter like the above, and then allow people to unsubscribe from any sub-/r/ they don't like... and then others can go to /r/conspiracy/all/ to see everything.... but yeah...

        Anyway - just so you know we mods do talk about these issues.

        [–]Askalan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Which would have been downvoted to hell, because so many of you are in denial or even worse, have fallen for alt-right propaganda.

        [–]d121212 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        A lot of people read down voted things, we know the voting system can be rigged. No need to let a negative reaction stop you.

        [–]N0t_my-prezz 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Truth.

        Ive been banned before for speaking against the alt right

        [–]undisclosed_thoughts 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Make the thread. This is a post about ettiquette. Quit piggy backing.

        [–]EricCarver 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (26子コメント)

        Why post your political agenda in a sticky devoted to sub operations? Are you daft?

        [–]Askalan 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (25子コメント)

        My intention was to mention the shill-calling, which definitely belongs in a stickied post about ettiquette.

        [–]Sabremesh[M] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (24子コメント)

        This is a state-of-the-sub post. It was not an invitation for you to make 15 whiny comments (count them) complaining about Trump supporters. Desist.

        [–]saintcmb 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Really man? You are a mod?

        [–]exicleus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Let the mods do their job. Poster is derailing the post.

        [–]saintcmb 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        And he could have simply stated that. Calling his comments "whiny" is inserting his opinion into the matter, and was not needed and certainly not civil.

        [–]exicleus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There's nothing wrong with calling out a complaining post. There is an issue when posters try to debate the issue on a topic that's their own, against the point.

        [–][削除されました]  (14子コメント)

        [removed]

          [–]Sabremesh[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

          Removed. Look up "desist".

          [–]saintcmb 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (11子コメント)

          You seem to have a very different view on what is civil and what isn't civil. You take issue with a guy talking about Trump supporters, but not the guy(EricCarver) that is calling another user stupid(daft) .

          [–]Sabremesh 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Regular users of this sub are fed up with people derailing conversations by constantly bringing everything back to Trump, meta-complaints about Trump, Trump supporters, pro-Trump bias etc.

          You are trying to strangle conversation in this sub and it isn't going to work. Calling someone "daft" is unlikely, in itself, to trigger Rule 4.

          [–]Oxford89 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'm a regular user and no I'm not fed up by that. I'm fed up with the number of individuals in here who will mindlessly follow DT off a cliff and attempt to limit any discussion that makes him or his administration look bad in any way.

          [–]SouthernJeb 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm fed up with the number of individuals in here who will mindlessly follow DT off a cliff and attempt to limit any discussion that makes him or his administration look bad in any way.

          Which this particular mod interjection seems to propagate, and I fully agree with you.

          [–]saintcmb 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Im actually on subject in this thread, as it is about the state of the thread and civility. Im giving out a critique, and calling you out for being uncivil. Please explain how Iam trying to "strangle the conversation" ?

          [–]exicleus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Wrong. This is about dealing with banning and following the rules. Probably should read the top again.

          [–]hazillow -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Calling someone daft who isn't going against the mod-approved narrative isn't going to trigger rule 4.

          I think that is what you wanted to say.

          [–]HashtagDadJoke 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The same one that got fired for calling out the last administration for arming ISIS? Sounds like the problem is the intelligence agencies more than Russia.

          http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/08/07/rise-of-islamic-state-was-a-willful-decision-former-dia-chief-michael-flynn/

          [–]sweetholymosiah 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          And by connections to Russia you mean he spoke to the Russian ambassador? Gasp !!!

          [–]Muh_Condishuns 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Please don't let this sub become another Safe Space. Please. Free speech is not protected by authoritarian nannying. That sort of suppression should be the exact opposite aim of this sub. I have an intensely irascible and angry sounding character, and I very much like myself. I shouldn't have to tone myself down for the Truth community. We should value authenticity above all else. I welcome all diversity of opinion AND attitude.

          Please, please don't let make this sub another anodized playpen for sensitive babies.

          [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We welcome you to say whatever you like, especially when it comes to questioning ideas and such.

          All we are asking is that you avoid vacuous attacks against other users, as that degrades discourse.

          [–]kuzism 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I was deservingly banned for posting nonsense and after a few weeks and some groveling I was given my privileges back. I am behaving and following the rules. Thanks Mods.

          [–]Mouth2005 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          i know you guys are already busy enough as it is, but has there been any consideration to adding or expanding some of the rules? my biggest gripe has been the de-railing, i understand and love that this is one of the few subs left that still allows wide open discussion, not catered to a specific group, i think dissenting opinions are more useful than agreeing opinions, but it's not hard to find users who comments are only intended to specifically derail a post becuase they don't like the subject......

          we're a big enough sub that conspiracies about apple's and conspiracies about oranges can co-exist but if all the apple conspiracy lovers spend more time de-railing and attacking the post about oranges, because they don't like discussions about orange conspiracies, the orange conspiracy lovers are just going to do it right back, making it impossible for anyone to have actual discussions about either without having to wade through hundreds of these "oranges suck!", "this is apple propaganda BS", "Why are you talking about apples?! how about instead, you tell me how oranges would have been any better" type comments....

          also, i think it's getting to a point that using someone's account age to discredit them could be lumped in with rule 10, i would say the last couple weeks especially i have seen way more comments followed up with things like "ohh, because you're so smart with your XX-day old account", these comments have the same intent as calling someone a troll or shill "i don't like what you have to say, i can't call you a shill, so ill just imply your account is too young to matter"

          Again, i know you guys are busy, and adding more rules to enforce is the last thing you want to do, but if or when that time comes, these might be a few things to consider.... thx (please don't ban me, i'm trying to be respectfully constructive)

          [–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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            [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S,M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Sorry, I don't follow?

            This is just a general etiquette reminder with regards ban appeals and such.

            [–]madmaxsin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Noted, will try.

            [–]Gabbergeddez 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You guys are awesome in my opinion keep it up

            [–]DemonOfElru 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Unfortunately, the current set of mods on /r/conspiracy have proven they are only interested in curating the content to their particular bias.

            It's really sort of sad, this subreddit used to have some genuinely interesting content.

            [–]EricCarver 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Thanks AATA. While we certainly can't or should not agree with everything everyone says, if truth is the ultimate goal then agreeing to pursue it using fair etiquette should be the norm. Nothing red flags a shill faster than aggressive insulting biased posts.

            [–]Deaconblues18 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Well Said. I'm in, Except with anyone who calls Taylor Swift a tranny. Other than that I'm Good...,

            [–]AssuredlyAThrowAway[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Who would dare call Tay Tay such a thing!?!

            [–]EricCarver 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            there were a few posts about it yesterday. Haters gonna hate.

            [–]Deaconblues18 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            It happened yesterday. THOSE types should be Banned!!!

            [–]aleister 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            But have you examined the evidence yet?

            [–]Deaconblues18 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            She is Chaste. On our honeymoon the Truth shall be Revealed. Wish me well....

            [–]The_Majestic_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So your telling me if I lash out and call you every name under the sun you wouldn't unban me.

            Who would have thought if you be polite and respectful even mods can reasonable =P

            [–]oroyplata -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (25子コメント)

            The brigading today... what was posted that whipped CTR into such a frenzy?

            [–]Askalan 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            The National Security Advisor Flynn resigned one hour after a story broke that he has ties to Russia. But of course, shill-calling comes first!

            [–]MidnightTide 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Ties to Russia. Talked to them about Obama's sanctions. Now all the /r/politics and anti Trump subs come flying in. Thousands of up votes more then usual.

            [–]wanking_furiously 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well we can't find out how much more there is because his friends in government refuse to investigate.

            [–]oroyplata 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I saw the post out here. All the comments are the same, "Der pizza is wrong because Russia is hur."

            [–]EricCarver 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Flynn resigned and Seaman missed his deadline.

            [–]McPeePants34 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            This is the kind of shill calling we're complaining about mods. You have a sub that literally thinks every downvote they get is from a paid corporate stooge. You can say "calling people shills will get you banned," but unless you're willing to actually do anything about it, nobody believes you.

            [–]spru111 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            So are the mods gonna ban you for breaking rule 10 or did they really just mean

            "We'll ban you if you call someone a shill, unless they are a shill, which they are. cause shills are everywhere"?

            Also, people came to a sub about conspiracies last night because the national security advisor to the president resigned after he lied about CONSPIRING with the Russian government. No duh they want to talk about it. Doubly so when the president has been accused of working with the russian government.