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[–]alguienseguro 26 points27 points28 points  (12 children)
Why are there guns everywhere?
[–]Telandria 22 points23 points24 points  (11 children)
Its kind of an almost circular argument problem.
It originally comes from the fact that our country exists because of a rebellion. If we didnt have guns, we wouldn't have been able to tell the British to go fuck off. Since the victors get to write the history, clearly this means that guns are necessary in case our new government decides to get uppity like the last one.
Over time this has morphed into a kind of 'self-defense' ideology. It doesn't really matter who it was targeted at - criminals, the government, just people who might want to harm you, etc. The idea was we had a right to defend ourselves, and you can't do that if you don't have a weapon, and nobody's gonna being a sword to a gun fight.
This in turn also morphs into a 'People who are able to defend themselves are strong, people who defend themselves have guns, therefor having guns is cool' kind of empowerment fantasy. (Or reality, to be honest. Lets be frank, if you have a gun, you DO have power to a degree).
And since guns are cool, everyone wants them. And once everyone wants them, lots of people get them, and then everyone needs them for self defense because again... you don't bring a gun to a sword fight. Hence the common argument that even if you weren't allowed to have guns, criminal elements would still find ways to get them, and so we might as well have them. Which is of course completely logical. Mind you, it ignores the issues of 'if more people have guns, then more people can commit crimes of passion without preparation', but thats what it is.
[–]Lontar47 7 points8 points9 points  (10 children)
Or as Jim Jefferies puts it: You've got one argument if you're against gun control and that's: "Fuck off, I like guns!"
[–]Shitbadger16 6 points7 points8 points  (9 children)
I've got a better one. The US gets about 30,000 gun deaths per year, of which 10,000 are suicides (so they would've done it another way anyway), and an unknown (by me) but surely significant chunk of which are criminals killing each other (who are no great loss). In comparison the US gets about 90,000 alcohol related deaths a year, and unlike guns it's not even something that has any practical use... no one calls for alcohol to be banned.
[–]Linhasxoc 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
As someone who's moderately on this issue leaning ever-so-slightly towards the gun control side, "we tried that with alcohol and look how that turned out" is one of the best arguments I've heard against banning guns.
[–]somethingblander [score hidden]  (1 child)
Yeah, but we do make sure that you're of age to drink. If you drink irresponsibly we may remove your ability to drink (probation) or your ability to do dangerous things while drunk (revoke your license). Should we ban guns? No! Should we regulate them? Yes.
[–]brzcory [score hidden]  (0 children)
But we already do.
You have to be 18 to buy a rifle, 21 to buy a handgun. You have to pass a federal NICS (Background) check to buy one and if you do anything irresponsibly (Catch a felony of any kind or certain misdemeanors) you're not allowed to own (or even touch) one.
Those are the surface of the Federal firearms laws, and individual states regulate them further than that.
[–]arideout12 [score hidden]  (1 child)
I take huge issue with the assumption that if they're suicides "they would've done it another way anyway." Barrier to entry is a huge thing when dealing with that kind of stuff
[–]brzcory [score hidden]  (0 children)
Very true. Not only that but Firearm suicide in particular has a much higher 'success' (completion?) rate than other methods like cutting and overdosing.
Waiting periods do save lives. Assault weapons bans and magazine restrictions do not.
[–]Lontar47 [score hidden]  (0 children)
In comparison the US gets about 90,000 alcohol related deaths a year
Why even bring alcohol up? There being more deaths attributed to it only creates the illusion of strengthening your argument. Additionally, how many alcohol-related incidents ONLY become fatal due to the presence of a gun? Something to ponder.
The US gets about 30,000 gun deaths per year, of which 10,000 are suicides (so they would've done it another way anyway), and an unknown (by me) but surely significant chunk of which are criminals killing each other (who are no great loss).
I think the more relevant statistic is how much more likely you are to die by a gun upon owning one. And I won't even touch your insane position that criminals don't deserve to live.
[–]brzcory [score hidden]  (0 children)
The US gets about 30,000 gun deaths per year, of which 10,000 are suicides
*19,000
Wait, no, 2015 numbers are out, it's 21,000 now.
[–]AnEyeIsUponYou 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
We tried it, it didn't work out too well and created huge criminal enterprises as a result.
[–]MinistryOfMinistry [score hidden]  (0 children)
Alcohol had "no practical use"? I think you have to review your stance on sociology.
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