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A guy and his girlfriend rob me and assaulted me out of ~7 BTC in LONDON on a Cash deal. (localbitcoins.com)

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[–]goldcakes [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Similar thing happened to me in Perth, Western Australia. Dude pulled a knife in a cafe and demanded my phone and to withdrawal all my bitcoins to him. The cafe owner saw this and called the police, who arrived in 2 minutes as he was going through my phone for bitcoin apps.

The guy apparently had a history of violent offenses and recently got sentenced for 4 years.

[–]Wingsuit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is there a large bitcoin scene in Perth?

[–]natesupply123 [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Damn I'm moving to Australia, in America if you have a history of armed robbery your doing no less than 10 years but probably closer to life

[–]throwaway_897248734redditor for 9 days [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

While I'm generally in favor of a progressive criminal justice system that puts an emphasis on rehabilitation and prevention via education and social programmes, I don't see how armed robbery, in most cases, can be justified as a last resort for those in financial distress.

So why on earth would you want to go to Australia.

[–]natesupply123 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I apologize,I made that statement because I did 4 years in prison for selling mushrooms years back, if we had the Australian system, I'd probably have gotten probation for that first offense at 18

[–]theswapman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

that's awful. violent offenses are separate from nonviolent. those ppl who engage in violence have a lifelong propensity for it. it should be punished very harshly.

[–]Bitcorniandoredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Armed robbery is never because of financial distress.

The sociopaths that pull stunts like this enjoy and even brag about it. I've encountered several.

Lock them all the fuck up and leave them there..and release the non violent drug offenders.

[–]Tefron [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There's no truth to any of this.

[–]n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There is complete truth to this.

[–]pleurplus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol dumbass they arent pychos, not even nazis were psychos.

The problem is that thet are people like everyone else, and regular people can't commit atrocious crimes, that is the problem.

[–]n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

for a armed crook good give 'em 20 years fuck people like that

[–]cosmic_boombox [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Maybe if you weren't a violent drug addicted degenerate who plans on robbing people, you wouldn't have to worry about all that.

[–]natesupply123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And maybe if you didn't suck dick you'd leave your comments to your self cosmic :)

[–]n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fuck him, only four years?

[–]kekmagickredditor for 7 days [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

might've got my start slanging BTC on the streets - quick pro tips: 1) always meet in very public places (my favorite was always food courts in a local mall) post offices, local library work just-as-well. always preferred food courts because i'd have multiple escape routes. 2) never sell to anybody that tells you they're doing anything illegal! it's the feds! (or other police) even if they're not the feds - you wouldn't want to do business with a dumb criminal. 3) be armed - you're basically a bank - minus protection. 4) always arrive early to scope-out the terrain. sure there's more, but these steps are the minimum to protect yourself! good luck, you're doing a great service!

[–]improve_myself [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He did meet in a very public place, and this is the UK - what 'arms' could he have?

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I was in a full packed cafe.

In UK it s illegal to arm yourself in any way

[–]DevelopThePrograms [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

5) don't do transactions of amounts that high with strangers. I realize this might not be an option, but it would be better to start off with amounts like 0.5 and under to build up trust.

[–]burstup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Scary story. Please keep us updated about the things localbitcoins will do.

[–]lucasmzanella [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's sad. I'd recommend trade using BitSquare, and I think there's even a solution in where a third party can act as a judge and revert the bitcoins in cash transactions, but it'd be easier if you guys did it all online via the banking system

[–]altovecchia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The banking system leaves a trail. When the IRS comes after you in 10 years time asking for 50% of your profits, they will potentially be in a position to prove you bought bitcoins.

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I also do Bank transfer only when buying

[–]WalterRyan [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Interesting read, I hope you get your bitcoin back. I never did trades like this before, but that's a reason I would never do it alone, at least you should take 1 or 2 friends with you, just in case.

[–]Starfire69bj [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah I usually bring my friends Smith and Wesson to these type of things.

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The friend who could have came with me, he was doing his own stuff.

[–]derzahla [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

yeh, why woukdnt you do the transaction at a bank or sonewhere with cameras?

[–]Thireus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Read his post on https://localbitcoins.com/forums/#!/general-discussion:double-spending-cash-robb. There were cameras, he also shared pictures of the two persons that were caught on CCTV, it's also in the post (you need to click on that blue "9" button to show more replies to see the pictures).

[–]midget_dealerredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's a crazy story! Glad your relatively okay.

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just a few bumps on the back of my head. thanks for the concerns

[–]GrixM [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So the cafe had CCTV? Can't you contact them and get access to the footage? That would be definite proof of whether the money stayed with them or you got it. Localbitcoins know what happened to the bitcoin, what happened to the cash is the only thing they need proof of.

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Police on the CCTV camera already. Coins are in his LBC account that is frozen now.

[–]GrixM [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So what's the problem? Have localbitcoins seen the cctv? If not, why?

[–]yogibreakdance [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Next time do it at the bank. After counting money, you deposit into your account then release. There are cameras and security guards.

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Most banks close in UK at 17:00. And no security guards in UK banks

[–]AAAdamKK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There are a few bar/café places near me that have bouncers stood outside, perhaps try and find somewhere like that and let the bouncers know about it in advance.

[–]Yaknom [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I was thinking about selling in person with LB to help people with their first purchase but i guess there is always a risk...

GL to you i really hope they will find those people so you get your money back

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

LBC is a good place to trade. Just happened i ran in to the most stupid people in london probably

[–]Thireus [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Sorry mate for what happened, that's not cool at all. Hope they get caught. BTW, when you counted the money, was it the right amount?

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yes it was, and went through the notes with my money checking pen also

[–]Thireus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

310 bills of 20, that's a good stack of money. Wondering how they managed to get all that in cash.

[–]Harry_Specter [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

How unfortunate, but glad to read LBC locked the coins for now. I hope LBC release them to you once the situation has been verified to them.

But damn, i can barely imagine the frustration involved explaining the situation to bystanders and the police. At this time, most people are still completely ignorant about bitcoin.

[–]rawavoado[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The UK police was the best, very responsive and understanding. Took the time with me and listen to me explaining Bitcoin and LBC

[–]jackcoolds [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Sorry i dont understand something, why did he keep calling you if you already give him the bitcoins

[–]Jessie_James [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it's in an escrow type of account, where it has not been "released" yet. If I am correct, then that was a smart move by OP.

[–]JBlacksmith [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

1st trade with someone should always be small. Especially with a new account.

[–]i_have_seen_it_all [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Glad to hear you're ok.

But that's life in bitcoin. You are in charge of your own security, digital or physical.

[–]Thireus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for sharing this story with us. Lots of people including traders are going to learn from your experience. I see some discussing how differently they would have handled the trade (location, friend, backup plan, etc.). I would see these comments more like a brainstorming about face-to-face trades than personal critics about your choices.

I personally think you managed to get out of that situation pretty well, it could have been worse than this. I sincerely trust this will get resolved, police is involved and everyone seems to have all the information needed to solve the case, you'll get your coins back.

Maybe just get a new phone number, and start switching your contacts to that one. Don't answer calls from hidden phone numbers or numbers you don't know. Drop the old phone number you were using for the trade as you don't want to hear anything back from the couple (who'd be tempted to threaten you by calling you or texting you). The police will do their job and investigate the case.

[–]muyuu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've done cash deals in London too. With more precautions, though.

Fucking chavs. I hope the bobbies tear them a new one.

[–]bitcoin1989redditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You should find a way to meet him again in a way he doesn't know its you and teach him a real lesson in street etiquette.

[–]n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I get there and explained what happened and of course it was weird, because Bitcoin.

I wanted to point this out, because Bitcoin.

[–]PUNCH_EVERY_NAZIredditor for 17 days [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's cool just do a charge back 🤣😂

[–]OMG-Robots [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I believe some police stations have an area to do local sales in person. That might be the safest place for large cash transactions.

[–]Keffeyredditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Did you not do it in a public place like a tube station?

Sorry for your loss.

[–]Thireus [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's what he did: "Euston station London" - "i have picked Cafe Rouge for the meeting place"

[–]WalterRyan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Unforunately that doesn't make a difference anymore since obviously nobody gives a shit if you scream "I'm getting robbed"

[–]Thireus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep. That's called the bystander effect.

The probability of help is inversely related to the number of bystanders.

[–]Future_Prophecy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Crazy, if true. I still can't believe people do these kinds of trades without bringing protection.

[–]Garland_Key [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Can you not carry a gun in the U.K.?

[–]Thireus [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

No. But that's not the point. What do you want to do with a gun? Become a killer or get killed?

[–]Garland_Key [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

False dichotomy - it's more likely that the perpetrator would have ran away or backed off. People don't like getting shot.

[–]Thireus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And if the perpetrator is not scared of you or if he feels you are hesitant to use the gun, he will just grab it and shoot you to death. Not sure that's the best solution unless you like playing poker with your life. Not mentioning the fact that you need to know how to use a gun and understand the legal consequences of using it.

Also carrying any sort of weapon is illegal in the U.K., even pepper spray.

[–]Garland_Key [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A responsible gun owner would train with their firearm so that they don't hesitate and so that taking tactical defense positions is part of their muscle memory.

Thanks - I will never travel to the United Kingdom if I'm unable to defend myself.

[–]NoGooderr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Me, i would have some buff dude with a baseball bat with me