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Rebel Media's Freedom Rally Was Bonkers (torontoist.com)

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[–]TOMapleLaughs 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

First I was thinking, how were they able to pay for this?

Then I saw various CPC leadership candidates were there.

Kellie Leitch, Chris Alexander, Pierre Lemieux, and Brad Trost: Hey, good acting job.

[–]proto_ziggyAB 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trost making the claim that having a Asian wife somehow invalidates the possibility of him being a racist is conflating the term with white supremacist. Just throwing that out there.

[–]evilregis[S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Watch the YouTube clip that is contained in the story. At 1:43 in the video, the woman pictured in the article along with another appear to be giving Nazi salutes. The woman in the picture is coy enough to pump her arms in the air to maybe provide some plausible deniability, but the woman to her right does no such thing. Then later, at 2:17, the woman is back and she's done pretending. Just straight up Nazi saluting by the looks of it.

What in the actual hell? This does seem pretty bonkers.

[–]Flash-LightningSocial justice warrior [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well to be fair you do get the marxist/anarchist types showing up to the Liberal/NDP rallies as well even though those parties don't exclusively support communism.

[–]amnesiajuneOntario 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's not a Nazi salute. That's a 40-something year old woman cheering. The nazi salute is holding the arm fully-extended. The second clip isn't really a Nazi salute either but does look a lot stranger.

[–]_Minor_AnnoyanceMajor Annoyance | Official 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's another person doing something similar at the :51 mark.

I don't know if they're actually doing the nazi salute but it's really weird and not a good look when the speakers are specifically mocking people for branding them as racists.

[–]davedave8 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, that's a nazi salute.

[–]evilregis[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The 40-something woman has a woman beside her, arm fully extended. That's around the 1:43 mark. At 2:17, the 40-something is back and like you said, doing something very strange and, to me, looking a lot like a Nazi salute.

[–]RegentYetiLayton for God-King 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's either some variation of "feel the warm glow of Jesus" or a Nazi salute.

[–]Naerren 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

2:17...maybe she is saying "amen"? Just maybe?

[–]Statistical_InsanityOntarian Liberal(ish) Elite | STV [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

N-no! It's the uhhh.... the Roman salute! Yep, that's it!

[–]UrbanZenMonk 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

You literally have no idea what the nazi salute is.

Holy shit. As an absolute obsessed individual for ww1 and ww2, that is not a nazi salute.

What's the most disgusting part of this utter ignorance is the amount of up votes. Wow.

History class is needed. Big time.

[–]proto_ziggyAB 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there some super subtle nuance were all missing? Cause that was your opportunity to enlighten us and you skipped it for some reason.

[–]Statistical_InsanityOntarian Liberal(ish) Elite | STV [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

After his years of study of the Nazi salute, in his expert opinion, this is not a Nazi salute. You big dummy.

[–]teamcoltraPirate Party - Leader [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Have you considered the person doing the Nazi salute DIDN'T spend years obsessing over WWI / WWII and thus wouldn't know exactly how to do it to your standards?

[–]tabarjack -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"NO! lets teach about how great Jacques Cartier was and how he magically invented Canada. Or wait, let's teach about how Quebec was created. Nazis? Hell no, how can we tell people to label what we don't like as nazi if they know what they're talking about?"

  • Your Dear Government

[–]CorbutteRhinoceros Candidate 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where did you go to school? In Alberta we spent half a year of Social Studies on WWII. Not to say it was the most intensive (could have learned a lot more about the Eastern theatre and Japan), but we definitely spent a lot of time studying Hitler's rise to power.

[–]tabarjack 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm in Quebec, and all that was spoken of about WW2 was how Quebecers died and how Quebec is the best ever and why Quebec is why Canada isn't run by nazis (though the left we have now isn't much of an improvement). Oh and we were also taught that while Canadians killed aboriginals, we Quebecers were being friendly and stuff. Typical separatist bullshit to be honest.

[–]NeverTakeMeSeriouslyFiscally Responsible 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why did you learn about WW2 in social studies is my biggest question?

[–]CorbutteRhinoceros Candidate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Uh... Pretty much the whole war from a Canadian perspective. Like I said, could have done more in teaching about the Pacific and Eastern theatres, but in terms of providing historical context on the rise of fascism, Communism, the Holocaust, the Western theatre, etc. I'd say it was pretty comprehensive for a high school class. There was a lot of focus on overarching themes like anti-Semitism, appeasement, effects on contemporary politics, authoritarianism, etc. that really helped with the critical thinking aspect of understanding the war, IMO.

[–]TheFatOrsonWelles 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

For an article about BLM's demands of Toronto Pride (a controversial topic), The Torontoist allows comments. For this article, comments are disabled. The CBC does the same thing on Youtube, disabling comments on stories that cover abortion, or "Being Black in Canada", as well as most videos that have anything to do with muslims. I understand that the CBC got tired of dealing with racist/xenophobic/hateful comments, especially on aboriginal issues, but (I believe) it behooves news organizations to either allow comments on all videos, or none. Doing so sheds light on the genuine hate some people have, while shutting down comment sections on some videos and not others bolsters the notion of a biased, untruthful or liberal media.

Specifically disabling comments on this article directly feeds the narrative of those who shout "fake news". If you allow the trolls and bigots to comment, their claims become laughably ignorant. If you silence them, they call themselves 'free speech' martyrs.

[–]TyTheRegularGuyNDP [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

From what I've seen CBC doesn't seem to allow comment on any video

[–]Sweetness27Libertarian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seeing imaginary Nazi salutes and defending having sex with 10 year olds.

This is a new low for this sub.

[–]catchnoplaguesI left the left 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's what the left is into these days. They think that pedos being forced to stay in the closet is a legitimate social justice issue.

[–]Flash-LightningSocial justice warrior [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just wait until talking ill of Islam is hate speech...

[–]PMKevinOLeary 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (26子コメント)

"Mohammed was a pedophile, wasn't he?"

Yikes. Leitch needs to stop validating these people.

[–]MasterBassion 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (25子コメント)

... He was though.

[–]sw04ca -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Was he? What's your evidence?

[–]MasterBassion 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (16子コメント)

His marriage to a 6 year old.

[–]sw04ca 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Your evidence relies on an anachronistic understanding of what marriage is (it was rather rare for 6th/7th century magnates to marry out of lust, but rather more common to marry for political ends) and a factual error (while betrothed young, Aisha's marriage wasn't consumated until she was between 9-10 or 16-20, depending on the source).

[–]MasterBassion 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes. He waited till she was 9 to rape her. Your pedophilia apology is not welcome.

[–]sw04ca -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

He couldn't have raped her. They were married. It's also possible that he waited until she was 20 before bedding her. The sources on opposite sides of the schism don't agree.

[–]bobbykid 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He couldn't have raped her. They were married.

Uh...

[–]jtbcCe n'est pas un flaire -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Marital rape is a relatively recent concept, even in North America and Western Europe. It became a criminal offence in Canada in 1983. All the sources agree that the relationship in question was consensual, and statutory rape as we conceive it didn't exist within a legal marriage.

[–]bobbykid 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I get that, legally it doesn't make sense to say he raped her, and if historians says their relationship was consensual then that is that. I'm just feeling a little queasy about the moral implications of saying that someone can't be raped because they're married. Although I acknowledge that it's possible /u/sw04ca was referring to the legal concept of rape at the time and not the moral concept of rape in general.

[–]sluttytinkerbellsTinkerin' with all the belles in the sluttiest of fashions 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nazis didn't murder Jews -- they exterminated vermin.

[–]teamcoltraPirate Party - Leader [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My guess is you are being hyperbolic to make a point buuuut perhaps at least a quote or an /s or something might help you out here...

[–]MasterBassion 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah. Defending pedophilia and marital rape.

[–]Flash-LightningSocial justice warrior [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Downvoting is an automatic ban

[–]jtassie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

(From the Koran, for those wondering about source)

[–]bobbykid -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

First of all, she was probably 9 to 13 years old, not 6. It doesn't really make a difference but 6 is just an unnecessary exaggeration.

Also, calling Mohammed a pedophile for having one child bride is a little bit uncharitable, historically speaking. The wikipedia definition of pedophilia refers to a person who "experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children," but Mohammed had thirteen wives in his lifetime and only one of them was (likely) younger than 17 years old. I'm not saying it's all fine that he married a young girl but how is it fair to call him a pedophile in this context, especially considering how common child marriages were at this time even in Europe?

[–]MasterBassion 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

6 when married. 9 when consummated. Would you prefer I use the term "child rapist"?

[–]Brodano12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

13 when married, 18 when consummated.

[–]-clevernamehere- 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've seen about a hundred articles referencing him and child brides but haven't double checked my koran. It was the middle ages though so Christians were pulling the same shit in Europe.

At the end of the day Mohammed's sexual preferences are irrelevant to the morality of modern Muslims. Just like God's genocidal tendencies in the old testament don't make modern Christians evil.

As an athiest I think they're all idiots but I'll keep that to myself if we can all be civil about it. Something something Christians in glass houses tossing first stones.

[–]TheTrue_NorthIlliberal 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was the middle ages though so Christians were pulling the same shit in Europe.

Getting married young was mostly a problem with the upper classes, who needed these marriages to secure alliances. Most peasants married in their mid twenties

[–]sw04ca 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think it's useful to consider ancient peoples trying to explain their universe without the benefit of the tools of modern science and create some kind of social framework that disparate tribes could live under 'idiots'. Sure, we live in an era where gods, ghosts spirits and souls have been disproven (at least to the extent that they can ever affect the material universe), but to hold every era accountable to modern standards of knowledge, ethics and morality is not only a bad habit, but also bad for one's character.

[–]wastedfreetimeOntario 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think they meant anybody that subscribes to one of those relgions today is an idiot. And I mean...

[–]sw04ca 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, it doesn't bother me much. Everybody has illogical nonsense that they believe in.

[–]bobbykid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've seen about a hundred articles referencing him and child brides but haven't double checked my koran.

By most accounts Aisha was the only one who would have been a child bride. Mohammed had thirteen wives and all of them except her were adults or in their late teens when they were married. Half of them were over 30. It's still pretty weird but it's not like he was a maniacal child-rapist the likes of which no one had ever seen.

[–]Brodano12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aisha wasn't actually a child bride. The HAdith in Al-Bukhari has been widely discredited, as the recorded birthday of Aisha and her sister show that she was actually 18, not 8, when they married.

There's a lot of misinformation about Islam out there, and much of it is unfortunately infiltrated itself in some Islamic groups (largely due to Wahhabism propaganda by the Saudis).

[–]chch166Slightly Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I dont like posting content from the Rebel but this video debunks it.

https://youtu.be/o3PGYgv8WbM

[–]iLLNiSSLibertarian -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really? This was just posted and removed an hour or two ago.

The whole article is based off a woman shown to be throwing a nazi salute. Problem is the video also linked in their article clearly shows otherwise.

Get this fake news outta here!

[–]evilregis[S] 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Feel free to report it then. I disagree with your characterization of the video as showing nothing of the sort. There are at least two women in the video making very questionable Nazi salute looking gestures.