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[–]Mescuzzi 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (1子コメント)

First off, why did you call her to break up with her? If you're going to attempt to shit-test her, you need to do it in person. If you want to gather as much data as possible, you need to do this in person. You will gain so much more valuable information when talking face to face (i.e. non-verbal communication like body language, where the eyes go, etc).

It might be best to end the relationship anyways, just from reading the language in your post, it sounds like you need to find yourself, and figure out how to kill off the blue pill in you. It's not going to be easy, and it wont happen overnight.

Go to the gym, sweat it out, get that pump going, and figure out your next steps.

Goodluck

[–]Poptart318 146 ポイント147 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Trust your gut. You did the right thing. Now it's time to approach more woman and plate them.

[–]Draki1903 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Funny thing is that if a woman would do any of this fake break-up to check for reactions, to check if you put up a fight, all of this shit - the advice here would be to cut her out because we don't play those games and yadda yadda.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's because the red pill is about SELF-prioritization and putting your own happiness first.

Women are more redpilled than men because they're naturally more selfish. They act on what best benefits THEM.

Blue pill men will suffer and go through trials because he thinks being selfless is a virtue.

[–]Zeigy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being selfless is a virtue, just don't waste it on women you want to bang.

[–]Fnaut3187 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There cannot be a better explanation to the people who say TRP is amoral.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

fake break up

There was no fake break up.

That's an after-the-fact embellishment by OP to save face after she so quickly said "Adios, amigo!" to him, his head spun.

He already decided to tell her they're breaking up. After deciding as such he dreamed of her fighting back, fighting for him.

But instead she effectively dumped him.

[–]CaptainSweno 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's because reds match with blues. And we're all white so 'murica.

[–]NiteCyper 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't know what you said, but the patriotism rising in my breast says yes. I'm not even 'murican.

[–]Papahoff25 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You sure, because your answer was pretty 'murican

[–]OneRedYear 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not even white. 'Murican!

[–]yamajama 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, his gut also told him him to propose to a woman whom he he wasn't sure could fulfill him.

[–]gummycurly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Cause he doesn't know he's supposed to fill the woman.

[–]clavabot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Time to approach more woman and plate them

You make it sound so easy lol.

[–]gummycurly 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]NiteCyper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck Urban Dictionary. The voting-in process is hot garbage. Yes, I'm butthurt my definition didn't get voted in multiple times.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

 

You were clearly beta in relation to her... in other words she was used to playing the "top" position and you were the "bottom" (beta) position.

Tingles only occur when women are "bottoms" and look "up" at masculine men.

So your leaving was like her having a girlfriend leave... a loss, but nothing major. It was easy for her to be rational about it because you never created the conditions for her submission and vulnerability... it was a "light relationship" and not deep from her perspective.

If you were in the masculine role for her she would have freaked out.

 

The lesson you learn is that those beta times were void of meaning.

The entire relationship from day one was a waste of your time and hers.

 

[–]lwbrown10 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know whether to celebrate my newfound freedom or to thrash myself for fooling myself that acting bluepill while knowing the red pill work better.

Remember that scene in Austin Powers when his fembot wife tries to kill him? She blows up and he realizes he's single again. I remember when I got out a LTR with a psycho and had this very thought.

This is you right now. Celebrate your freedom and go forth and slay.

[–]NiteCyper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To add to this, I'll say shame is the lesser of two motivators.

To elaborate, shame is punishment which is for stopping behaviour. What behaviour are you trying to stop? Would you rather be stopping a behaviour or promoting one?

[–]1max_peenor 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (24子コメント)

gut feeling that I was in for an extremely unfulfilling marriage ahead

Yes, go with your gut, but to all of our observers this is not the #1 reason to not get married. Instead, you shouldn't get married because modern western civilization has ruined it for men. She could be the most unicornie of unicorns, the system is stacked to fuck you in the end. On the wedding day the government hands her a golden ticket to behave however she wants yet still be able to extract resources from you when she leaves.

DO NEVER MARRY. It's gotten to the point I turn down all invitations to weddings. I'm not going to sit there while a man embraces his shackles.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a 20 something, I notice my older friends went to a lot more marriages than me and my peers. The only people who get invited to marriages now are other engaged or married couples, single men are not allowed by women. They don't want some guy getting in the way of the meal ticket. They know that a decent looking, working man who is single is privy to the plan. We are seen as potential whistleblowers and they dont want us to derail their plans. Especially not now, when she has fucked billy beta for some years and has a date set, she has endured too much pity sex and faked too much excitement to let it slip.

[–]AUAUA 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ya dude it's crazy, I'm about 40 now, and all the chicks that were hot and got married are gross. All my dudes that have freedom go out and smash 20something babes now. Hang in there, it gets better.

[–]lNTERJECTION 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My neighbor's ex husband gets money from her. Isn't it just about who makes more?

[–]1max_peenor 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure the lawyers got plenty from him though. Even when you win, you lose.

[–]Canedude08 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (18子コメント)

The ONLY reason a man should get married is if he wants children. And even then, you should carefully, and I mean carefully vet your potential spouse, and make sure you are able to get as close to an ironclad prenup as humanly possible. Now, that prenup can be invalidated depending on the judge, but do whatever you can to eliminate those loopholes. Do your homework.

[–]JDCasper 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think there's a reasonable middle ground that gets lost on here as everyone desperately tries to 1-up each other on how red pill they are. I took a mildly red pill approach to dating for a long time before this sub. After finding this sub and reading some theories and principles I already sort of knew many of them to some extent but wasn't able to clearly collect my thoughts and outline and sum them up as well.

I met my wife six years ago, married after 4 years. In that time I've refined my own model for how I live and it's done my marriage good. She absolutely worships me. When all of her cunty nurse friends are clucking together at work about how fat, ugly, or stupid their husbands are, she never gets involved. When they chide her for it she shuts them right down saying she loves me why would she talk negatively about me. So much so that her friends have commented to me about how great we must be together and how much she adores me.

I'm just saying, marriage does serve a purpose and have a place in life, even in a red pill life. Maybe not if your sole goal is too completely immerse yourself in red pill ideology from sun up to sun down, but if you maintain a balance, seek children and a stable family life, there's plenty of women that aren't ruined yet out there that could make great companions.

[–]sharp7 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ya my last gf was like that too it was amazing. But to get a relationship like that you have to become someone worthy of it. Most men are lame as fuck. Its a lot of work too.

[–]Canedude08 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are women out there that aren't complete trainwrecks, but it's almost like hitting the lottery. That said, marriage has a purpose, it's for raising children. If you aren't interested in children, if you aren't the kind of person that is interested in basically gaming the same woman for the rest of your life, with the threatpoint of divorce hanging over your head, then marriage isn't for you. I'm happy that you found someone that has their crap together, but I wouldn't suggest that most men not marry, and those that did, I'd make sure that they took every precaution possible to protect their futures.

[–]redolas 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Eh, marriage is not needed for children. Prenups are just too risky to be trusted. Just don't marry.

[–]useyourmouth 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Not needed to make offspring, but if you give a shit about how your kids are raised, it's best for them to be raised and educated in a household that at least has the veneer of stability that married parents provide.

That said, vet, vet and re-vet. Don't marry a hoe.

[–]redolas 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You need a veneer of stability? Well, move in together, live together as a couple. Raise your kids in an educated household. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. You trust her, she trusts you. If it doesn't work out, you don't need no lawyer to tell you what is what.

Marriage is just giving your baby-mama an unfair advantage. An incentive to leave you.

[–]xxCrowTechxx 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

move in together

After three years, or one year if you have children together, that's common law marriage where I'm from.

[–]RobotWhiteKnight 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

where I am from, USA, Texas, common law marriage requires that the couple present themselves to the community as being married. So unless you introduce yourselves as, "this is my wife Betty" rather than "this is my girlfriend Betty" you won't fit the definition of common law. I think this is a fairly common definition of the common law marriage in most of the US states, but I know Canada's definition is much more variable province to province.

The point being that it pays to know your local laws on common law before making any decisions about cohabitation.

[–]GC0W30 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it matters, you should really just drop a day's pay on a local divorce lawyer to find out the actual habits of the courts when these things go to court.

Just reading the law or layman's interpretations you find on the web can leave you missing out on critical details.

Sometimes a half hour consult can be surprisingly affordable.

[–]RobotWhiteKnight 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, and sometimes you can get a decent price for an "introductory" consult.

When I did my own divorce (20 year marriage) and consulted with a local divorce attorney for an hour for $200, I had a dozen questions all written out that I wanted some clarity on before deciding whether to put a $5k retainer down for the attorney or doing my own divorce Pro Se.

$200 for an initial consult can resolve a large number of questions.

[–]Newreddawn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Common law marriage bro. It doesn't affect everyone but its a thing in my state. You raise a kid together as a couple and that women will have a legit shot at your assets.

[–]swiddie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

After 7 to 10 years of cohabitating, the courts will consider it a marriage anyway.

[–]redolas 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You still saved about $20-50000 or whatever a marriage costs.

If that's true, then I'd look into how to avoid that situation.

[–]GC0W30 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is not the case for the majority of men reading this sub.

Something like 10 or less US states still allow new common law marriages to be formed.

[–]Htowngetdown 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Aren't there studies showing that children raised in two-parent households generally perform better? IF you want kids, you want them to be the best they can be. Splitting time between parents isn't ideal. But neither is marriage, so, yeah.

[–]redolas 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kids will get a lot less visiting time from a divorce-raped dad. Yeah, marriage is nice when it works out. But working marriages are getting rare.

[–]Canedude08 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Children are best served by living in a home with a stable married couple. Period, the research bears that out. If you can't give your child that, then you are better off not bringing him into the world.

[–]gummycurly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You make a very strong point.

[–]FrgElder 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should be able to read your LTR well enough to know whether or not she would fight to keep you without having to outright say it.

If you can't gauge a person's reaction (let alone your fiances) well enough to tell without being outright told, you have no business being in an LTR until you learn that skill. You will get eaten alive by women, who play the game and use powerspeak and emotional warfare as second nature.

[–]Poofysmoof 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck, time to find your solitude. Improve your frame, be the man you now know your capable of.

[–]highenergysanders 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a more accurate version of that story.

Op was in a shitty relationship and was unable to keep his fiance interested. Op deluded himself into thinking he was a great bf and it was clearly her who was source of all of the problems.

Autismo was seeking attention and validation so he devised a "test" to see if she really cares because apparently childish mind games are the way to go. The pussy doesn't have to balls to tell his fiance it's over in person so he calls her to break up like he's 13 years old. His fiance isn't upset and doesn't fight to salvage a shitty relationship - the one part of this story that's accurate is that she was most likely done with him at this point anyway. Then op sticks the landing in his mental gymnastics routine and convinces himself she's somehow bad for not driving over to op and begging him to please take her back.

For anybody reading this don't take op's retard advice. If your gf is doing something you don't like then sack up and tell her. Communicate like a normal human being. If she's unwilling or unable to change the behavior then leave. Look her in the eye and tell her it's not going to work out and why.

What you don't want to do is let your issues fester for months then devise some manipulative ploy for attention. That's behavior you would expect to see from a 16 year old girl having relationship problems, not a full grown man.

[–]HardRightCapn 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Red Pilled men often go through two stages of swallowing the pill.

First - You lurk, read, lift and think you've got it, but secretly think that you and/or your woman are an exception.

Second - You test your own relationship and realize that you're no exception. This is the harder pill, but now you'll never doubt.

Welcome.

[–]kenpachitz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

fiancee

Instead of asking why a breakup crossed my mind, she took the chance with both hands and ran through the open door without one backward glance.

Can someone explain this to me?

Fiancee implies she was ready to marry the dude. Why in the world would she welcome LOSING her BB?

/u/untonyto, how old is your ex-fiancee?

[–]redolas 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Any reason. We don't know why. All we know is that she was happy to leave.

Not the reaction anyone would want from a fiancee.

[–]empatheticapathetic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once the marriage is sealed she can cheat to her hearts content. Losing the BB was just a short term relief so she can go see that Chad she's been eyeing up.

She may call BB back depending on the circumstances in a few months.

[–]Fulp_Piction 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spot on: Who cares why? She's not of any real use to OP anymore, he's acknowledged his mistake and will learn from it. Knowing the reason she didn't fight to save the relationship doesn't do us any good.

Also, if anybody thinks that she left because he broke up with her/wwyd if she broke up with him - remember hypergamy. She has to be punching above her weight, so she should be fighting for the relationship.

[–]esirnus18 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reason is simple women almost never branch swing to a guy with a lower SMV than their previous BB. The other guy was better in her eyes, doesn't have to mean he was some greek god AF probably just Beta with better job or career.

[–]GentlemenMindset 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there's a doubt, there's no doubt. Live by it.

[–]QuixoticQueen 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait... so you expect her to fight to keep you, when not only do you 'test' her, but you tell her you want to break up via phone? If someone who supposedly loved me, showed me so little respect, I'd show them the door.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man please - he clearly wasn't testing shit. He called to break up and she accepted just like how you explain.

All this "testing" nonsense is OP wishing she would have at least fought for him a little.

Nope; he got nothing. He's butthurt.

[–]yamajama 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How the fuck does this pass for red pill? If some girl did this shit to you, you'd dump her, right? I mean, I agree that standards should be high, but this is sociopaths. Your future holds that your genetic line either ends with you, or you produce a child who only has a single parent. Red pilled societies don't endorse broken family units.

And guys, in this case, he may have been right to dump her, I'm not saying that anyone should stay in a relationship with someone that won't be able to fulfill them, but this idea that you have to constantly jeopardize the relationship, especially after you've decided to marry the girl... what kind of dumbass proposes to a woman that he isn't sure of? You sound like an impulsive, emptional wreck. Your next step towards bettering yourself isn't going to the gym, it's to start learning how to make decisions like an adult.

[–]highenergysanders 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

start learning how to make decisions like an adult

God yes. The whole calling his fiance and threatening a breakup to get attention and validation is such a fucking cringe.

[–]broek_325 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good on you mate. The exact same thing happened to me. Tested my LTR for a month, hoping she'd show any sign of fight. Absolutely nothing, despite all the shit I stood through for her. She's single now.

Funny thing is, now she's the one in pain and I'm happier than ever.

AWALT.

*Edit - this is how blue pill me learned to swallow the red pill. This is not how any RP man would handle a relationship.... but it certainly is how a BP man may finally swallow the pill if he has oneitis.

[–]highenergysanders 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This sub is so ass backward now. Listen to yourself. You're literally advocating playing mind games and doing fake break ups to try to validate yourself in a relationship.

Virtually no comments telling op to stop pussy footing around and just tell his girl what he expects going forward, but +12 up votes for telling people to handle relationships the same way a crazy teenage girl would.

[–]Ninja_smiles 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

God damn, finally someone with some clarity

[–]broek_325 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you're right. But as someone who was still plugged in and still with a heavy dose of oneitis, it's what gave me the final push.

I did not have the balls to end it, did not understand how to end it, "loved" her, etc. So I had to see for myself, does she actually give a shit? Was I Immature? Maybe. Red pill? Maybe not. Did it successfully shove the pill down my throat and teach me the lesson i needed to learn? Yes!

We all end up here somehow. I was aware of RP for months before the breakup, but the final event is what made me accept it. I had to learn the lesson somehow.

Also, to clarify, there were no games. I told her what I expected and that I didn't think this would work in the future with the way she was. She made no effort to change, hence the end of the relationship.

[–]evoLverR 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or you know, you could just be a crap boyfriend?

[–]QuixoticQueen 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

With what he has written in this post, I'm going with this being at least part of the problem.

[–]Ascended_One 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rejoice dude, you've missed a massive bullet.

It'll stop hurting when someone else comes along ;)

[–]suske127 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope you're good brother. Sucks to find that shit out/realize it all at once. But if I were you I really would be happy about it rather than upset. Once you realize it was mostly doomed to begin with, you know you just saved yourself from a life full of regret and I think that's damn good on you

With that said don't forget what got you there. (betahood and such) otherwise you'll be tempted to go back at it.

In my LTR, the more beta I get (for a couple days/weeks at a time) the more "needs" my girl gets. She starts to expect more of me and tries harder to lock me down. I realize this and act more alpha for a while. I think the oscilation throws her off and keeps her guessing. But regardless you can only act SO beta, for SO long before she loses interest.

I'm glad you did what you had to. You'll find another

[–]redolas 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get on TRP full on. Try to understand what goes where and why. Sidebar then Roosh V - Bang. Find plates and enjoy freedom.

[–]Cunt_Robber 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Taken with a grain of salt. Some men need to get burned real bad and discover the hard evidence for themselves before they finally "believe." Don't thrash yourself - understand that it isn't you fault as an individual, it's society as a whole that shaped your false beliefs, hopes, and dreams. It's not an easy foundation to simply think away. This is why some need to personally experience the "hard evidence" and hit rock bottom, shattering that foundation, making them lose what they "held most dear in life," and be able to start over, sometimes even from scratch. In the long run, as you start investing more in yourself, you'll see being a man has its advantages. Don't hold back, enjoy your freedom!

[–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good for you.

Celebrate, you just save yourself a bunch of time, because the heartache would have happened either way.

You were not wrong to expect her to have some resistance, she showed you her true colors, ice the bitch.

You'll be fine in a couple of weeks and you'll look back at this with a sigh of relief.

[–]digitalbitch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like you were looking for a way out and you are using being Red Pilled as an excuse.

[–]Fulp_Piction 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dodged a bullet man, onwards and upwards!

[–]our_guile 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Off to the gym I suppose.

Onward and upward.

You're an excellent writer, by the way.

[–]Peter_B_Long 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry to hear this, but I am happy for you.

[–]1ozaku7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just curious...

Instead of asking why a breakup crossed my mind, she took the chance with both hands and ran through the open door without one backward glance. There was even an unchecked note of enthusiasm in her voice that confirmed my suspicions that her loyalty was shifty at best.

Did she literally ran through the door after you broke up, with even a bit of enthousiasm?

[–]jr_smithsghost 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, that's a great concept. Shit test the fuck out of the other person.

[–]digitalbitch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Breaking off an engagement is more in the NUKE test category.

[–]highenergysanders 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No no no no no. No fake breakups. If you have a problem in the relationship you need to sack up and tell your girl what your problem is. Tell her what is expected. If she can't meet your expectations then you break up with her (in person. Not over the phone).

No self respecting man is going to waste his time playing games like that.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, you made a mistake. You learned from it. That's what champions do. Everyone makes mistakes. Winners learn and fight from their mistakes. Losers beat themselves up for making mistakes.

[–]mpga479m 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for posting. Gym is 🙏🏻

[–]Cronyx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the single most helpful post I've ever seen on reddit, nevermind here.

[–]HiBigFatFuknStupid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

or she was okay with it because you do autistic shit like test her

[–]ImTooCozy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Curious...Was she a feminist?

[–]Pastelitomaracucho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just a dodged bullet to be honest.

I mean she could have gone ape over the breakup and yet you could have found red pill stuff that fills your narrative.

But good stuff on making that decision. My only regret in life was being in the position you were, and keeping going ahead with the marriage. Probably I would have called it off knowing this place existed.

[–]DouglasPR 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

pop a champagne cork! your live reigns are back in your hands

[–]Bear-With-Bit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are unique, just like everyone else.

[–]skhalsa86 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This story tells more about you then her, who the fuck would break up with someone to test them? Probably the reason why she took off running is because you have the emotional attitude of a 13 year old. Maybe instead of hitting the gym you should take a long look in the mirror and see why she ran.