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So this happened about two years ago.
I met a girl via Tinder and we txted and snaped for about a week before I invited her out to dinner at a nice restaurant downtown.
Now let me give you a tad of back story about myself: I did four years enlisted in the military. Nothing crazy, just turned wrenches, then got out and went back to school. I continued to reside in a state where with proper training and certification - a person is legally allowed to carry a concealed firearm within specific boundary of course. While working at a firearms dealer as a sales associate and instructor. My firearm is like my billfold; After 7 years of carrying, it becomes a natural accessory. (I understand that there is a vast majority of viewpoints on this topic, especially on Reddit, but I'm just giving you mine).
So we agree to meet up at the restaurant that I made reservations for. Dinner comes, and to be honest - the date wasn't going THAT well. We didn't have very much in common, she was pretty opinionated about her ideas, where I just prefer to let people have their opinions and try not to sweat the stuff I can't control. Also, this girl was a political science major (if that explains anything). So, we get on the topic of the military (you can already feel it coming, cant you..?) Low and behold, she takes it upon herself to inform me how wrong certain aspects of our armed forces are. Now don't get me wrong, she had some perspectives that I agreed with, but whenever I chimed in there was no understanding. It was: "You're dead wrong, and this is why..." I should also mention that this IS one of few topics where I do get a little defensive. I dedicated some time to the idea of serving my Country (whether certain aspects are flawed or not) and when someone condemns me for it, it tends to get to me. Sue me.
Alright, so here's where it gets good, or bad. We get on the topic of firearm control. I explain my immersive background, and finally she asks: "well are you carrying a gun right now?". (Be honest - you knew this was coming) To which I reply: "idk, are you wearing underwear?" ...she didn't like that very much. Right after that, she says: "why would you bring a gun to a restaurant!?" (Like we are talking normal conversation volume) and I say: "who said I had a firearm?". So I talk it down (that took about five minutes) and proceed to get the check. Very displeased, she goes to the restroom, we meet at the front, and start to walk out.
As soon as we get through the door, we are greeted by a convoy of patrol cars lining the street in front of the restaurant. I waive at the police officers but they do that thing where they walk towards me from all directions and say "Sir, can you come here for a second" (hand on firearm).
Now a lot of the gentlemen I worked with at that time were sheriff deputies making extra money teaching concealed classes at the range. You talk to them enough, and you realize that in every situation regarding interaction with a police officer, things can go very "not in your best interest" if you decide not to comply. I knew this. I'm stupid. The first officer informs me that there was a complaint of that someone had a firearm in the restaurant and it was making people feel unsafe. He then asks me: "Sir, are you carrying a firearm?" My common sense boards a fucking plane to Nigeria and I come back with: "I don't believe I am lawfully required to answer that question. Am I being detained, or am I free to go?". My date (who was being interrogated by a few police officers about 10ft from me) about shit herself. She finally says: "just let them have it".... Fuck. Me. Immediately the officers un-strap their holsters and demand that I now put my hands behind my back. Common sense finally comes rushing back and I reply: "yes Sir, officer. My Apologies".
I was handcuffed, firearm removed, put in the back of a patrol car for the better part of 30min until everything finally cleared. So through conversation with the officers I was able to explain the situation and because of the fact that there were some veterans in the group - we bonded a bit, and I learned that some high school barback heard "why did you bring a gun to a restaurant?" freaked out and called the cops - can't blame 'em. So Because my date had left already, and the fact that I had walked to the restaurant since I lived three blocks away, I was given the option the take my (now unloaded) firearm to walk, or receive a ride home from my new friends. Whom I actually gave my card to and Sold one of them a nice lil 9mm shield a couple moths after. When they dropped me off the officer rolled down his window and said: wait, don't forget these" as he dumped my ammunition rounds into my hand. Life is fucking weird guys.
Apologized to my match, got no reply, deleted her info. and moved on with life. If you made it this far - thanks for reading (thumbs up emoji)
TL;DR Brought a concealed firearm on a Tinder date. I'm ex-military. Firearm control topic came up. She was a political science major. Someone overheard her ask me why I brought a gun to a restaurant. That someone called the police. Police show up, handcuff me, clear me, then give me a ride home since I walked.
Edit: typo. Edit: corrected misspelling.
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[–]MudButt2000 361 points362 points363 points  (25 children)
If you have a concealed firearm abad cops surround you, the first thing you say is "I have a concealed firearm and a permit" and you fucking freeze.
You say it aloud because you are allowed to carry it but you don't want to be shot.
[–]eye_spi 130 points131 points132 points  (13 children)
Probably better to lead with the permit rather than announce that you're armed, assuming you're in a state that requires permits....
or that you have one...
[–]anomalous_cowherd 79 points80 points81 points  (12 children)
"I'VE GOT A GUN and a permit"
[–]Dawnero 31 points32 points33 points  (11 children)
GUUUUUN and permit
[–]Hellos117 82 points83 points84 points  (10 children)
"I'VE GOT A GUN" quickly reaches into pocket for permit
"HERE, - HERE'S MY PER..."
Screen darkens, 'In the Arms of an Angel' 🎼 track starts
[–]Dawnero 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
NOBODY MOVE, I HAVE A GUN and my permit .
[–]Zen694 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
NOBODY MOVE I HAVE A PERMIT
[–]greenpeppers100 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
How did u do the little music bar line thingy?
[–]Hellos117 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
found it hidin in my iPhone keyboard chat thingy majobber
[–]blackleaf31 74 points75 points76 points  (0 children)
I just say "I have a permit to carry" and let them draw the logical conclusion. I don't want "I have" and "gun" to be anywhere in the same sentence.
[–]abraksis747 727 points728 points729 points  (109 children)
"I don't believe I am lawfully required to answer that question. Am I being detained, or am I free to go?"
You do realize this is how you trigger a police officer this day and age right?
I mean if there was music playing you would have gotten your ass beat to a soundtrack.
[–]45acpthrowaway[S] 210 points211 points212 points  (61 children)
Oh yea, I'm fully aware. Like I said - common sense was gone for that very special moment.
[–]blowstuffupbob 156 points157 points158 points  (13 children)
Personally I think the trigger was more "just let them have it".
[–]GemCorday 77 points78 points79 points  (8 children)
Bloody dangerous words: Derek Bentley in the uk was sentenced to death based on almost these words.
"The jury at the trial found Bentley guilty based on the prosecution's interpretation of the ambiguous phrase "Let him have it" "
The jury thought this was encouraging the shooter to fire; The defence said it meant "hand over the gun".
Believe he was pardoned posthumously.
[–]the_honeybadgr 44 points45 points46 points  (3 children)
A pardon after you're dead. it's too late to apologize
[–]droidBoy5 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
'Is it too late now to say sooooorryyyy?'
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[–]Themata075 14 points15 points16 points  (8 children)
You might want to check the legality of that. Here in Minnesota, it's required that you tell a sworn peace officer if they ask if you have a firearm. Obviously it will vary from state to state, and you might already know the answer in your state.
[–]Daphins 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
It may be the law, but it's likely that the officer still has to have probable cause to ask you the question first. In this case, there's no probable cause that he committed a crime, and therefore wouldn't have to answer the question (legally).
[–]swimmerv99 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
The officer definitely doesn't need to have probable cause to ask if you have a firearm.
[–]Ayoc_Maiorce 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Wouldn't the call they received about him threatening people give them probable cause though?
[–]Joker_Says 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
Great story! I respect the hell out of your self awareness. I can see how an evening's frustration can cause common sense to take a few minute break. Thanks for sharing it.
[–]Schuano 5 points6 points7 points  (27 children)
Were you legally in the right though?
If you were, why are you so cool with them just violating constitutional rights?
[–]ruleroftheuniverses 37 points38 points39 points  (3 children)
Because, he was right in the end. Yeah, he had the ability to carry. However, the officers were there to investigate if a crime is or had been committed. They have the right to detain who they believe to be the suspect in said crime for a reasonable amount of time while they investigate. Since the report involved a firearm, he was cuffed and secured as soon as the officers believed he really did have one. Once things were cleared up, he was even offered a ride.
[–]leocusmus 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
Carrying a firearm isn't a crime, though, so unless they have a specific crime they are investigating they have no reason to do any of this.
[–]f1del1us 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Yeah. I think providing a license right off the bat is enough. I would be a little peeved if I was disarmed when I was in the right and there was no real evidence of a crime.
Needless to say I'm not going to argue it with a cop though.
[–]sustainableinsignia 27 points28 points29 points  (18 children)
It's called concealed carry for a reason. It is supposed to remain concealed. Once your firearm is revealed, or made public knowledge by someone saying "why would you bring a gun to a restaurant," you will have to prove that you, personally, are legally allowed to conceal carry if questioned.
[–]NetherTheWorlock 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
This is not true everywhere. It's one of those things that is very much dependent upon which state and circuit you're in. In FL you must carry concealed and even accidentally revealing your firearm is a crime. In other states any citizen allowed to posses firearms can openly carry without a license. In GA simply being detained in a traffic stop alone is not legal grounds to seize a firearm.
[–]Nigel_featherbottom 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
This is the correct answer.
[–]Wind_is_next 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
This is the wrong answer.
Open carrying cannot be the sole reason for a Terry stop. If your state does not allow open carry or has printing laws, then that's a different issue.
[–]bob1227 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Actually, in Texas, CHL laws state that a peace officer has the "Authority to disarm" (a permit holder who is, in fact, carrying) while investigating.
Same law says the gun (and permit) must be returned if/when the permit holder is allowed to "leave the scene".
Same law says that, when asked for identification, a permit holder MUST present both their driver's license and their CHL permit to the requesting officer.
[–]sustainableinsignia 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Yeah these things are different from state to state. In NJ there is no concealed carry (except extreme special cases) so when I cop asks why you're carrying, you're screwed.
[–]Daneth 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Depends. In my state i am required to inform police in involuntary interactions with them that I'm carrying, but not all States are like this.
[–]come_on_sense_man 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Ya probably best to just pay the check and bounce upon hearing the words political science major. Only thing a man like us could hear that would be worse is gender studies major. I always tell cops that yes I am armed and here is my cc card.
[–]JupiterBrownbear 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Just be glad you're not black and and carrying a concealed weapon... 👱🏿🔫👮👼🏿
[–]HotKnifeUpAss 52 points53 points54 points  (3 children)
"I see a red door and i want to paint it black."
EDIT: Apparently i don't remember the words to a classic. FIXED!
[–]Koty889 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Yeah it's a shame the corruption has gotten that far.
[–]rebble_yell 37 points38 points39 points  (17 children)
I mean if there was music playing you would have gotten your ass beat to a soundtrack.
That's "police state" stuff right there.
A guy can be forgiven for thinking that he lives in a free country and has rights and freedoms as a citizen.
If we don't live in a country with laws and freedoms what are our veterans fighting for?
[–]Rowdy6Inch 61 points62 points63 points  (8 children)
They haven't been fighting for freedom for a long time, mate. You don't protect our freedom 3000 miles away from here.
[–]HouseofWoogeroo 22 points23 points24 points  (2 children)
no, but they are fighting for our sacred right to drive V8 trucks dammit. /s (sorta)
[–]Pistolwhipits 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
what are our veterans fighting for?
Nothing, veteran means their done fighting.
[–]Just10Sanity 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Nothing, veteran means their done fighting.
Not for healthcare or benefits post-service! We may not be fighting FOR our country anymore instead we are fighting the government to get the benefits we were told we earned.
[–]Apoctyliptic 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Maybe they aren't fighting in combat. But many veterans still help defend people on a daily basis. Don't forget the veterans at the North Dakota Pipeline.
[–]zerozed 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
It sounds like it went down fine. The cops did their job and OP complied. Shit generally hits the fan when a suspect is belligerent and non-compliant. As soon as a suspect refuses to comply then the police are permitted to employ a use-of-force model with escalating force until compliance is obtained and potential threats are neutralized. It has less to do with your "rights and freedoms as a citizen" and more to do with your responsibilities as a citizen--you are supposed to comply with the orders of a law enforcement officer. If the police demand something unlawful, then comply under protest and sue them after. 99.9% of cops aren't looking to screw with anyone--they just want to finish their shift and get home in one piece. Sometimes they make mistakes, but the vast majority of those guys are extremely well trained and conduct themselves professionally as was born out in this story.
[–]sfmatthias0 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Not sure handcuffs were warranted given his complete physical compliance.
[–]zerozed 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
That comes down to a few things. First off, what is the police department's policy and what latitude (if any) do they give to officers to deviate from it. Consider this: let's say OP is Caucasian and they're sort of buying his story but need to detain him while calling in his permit info so they don't handcuff him. Now let's change it up and substitute an African American in a similar situation, but perhaps he's being more uncooperative and belligerent so the cops chose to handcuff him because they perceive him as unpredictable and perhaps a threat. You wouldn't be wrong to claim that the different treatment was racist, but you wouldn't necessarily be right either. This is why many PDs just have blanket policies to handcuff a suspect until they're cleared...that way everyone is (theoretically) treated the same and public/officer safety is maximized until the incident is resolved.
Lots of folks (not necessarily you) are quick to blame "cops" for what they perceive as a bad judgement call. In reality, citizens should know that officers are trained to a standard and expected to comply with it. They don't necessarily have discretion to deviate from procedures, and if they do take it upon themselves to deviate they open themselves up to accusations and prosecution.
PDs have tons of weird procedural rules that civilians know little to nothing about, and almost all these rules are in place to ensure fair treatment and the safety of both the suspect and officer. I'd encourage anyone who is prone to be suspicious of police to schedule a ride-along with your local PD. If it doesn't alter your perception, it will at least give you more information.
[–]blackleaf31 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
Sounds like a lawful response to me.
[–]Quadroon_sam 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
That's right folks: knowing your constitutionally guaranteed rights and exercising them lawfully is exactly how you "Trigger" a cop
[–]Gliste 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Last line is from Chapelle right?
[–]detroitvelvetslim 42 points43 points44 points  (0 children)
/k/ tries tindr
[–]contactlite 146 points147 points148 points  (3 children)
"Great dumbass answer, Dumbass." -Red Foreman
[–]FunkyNotAJunkieBoss 20 points21 points22 points  (1 child)
Red Forman is a military man. He'd understand.
[–]contactlite 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
He wouldn't be that remorseful over your dumbass
[–]45acpthrowaway[S] 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
"Gee thanks, Mr. Foreman"
[–]ridernine 20 points21 points22 points  (9 children)
Don't know about your state, but in mine, you are required to let them know you are carrying, but have a ccw if asked.
[–]garrett_k 10 points11 points12 points  (3 children)
In my State you don't have to tell them. You can even carry while drunk!
[–]ZeroProximity 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
So Texas then
[–]Daveezie 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Or Florida.
[–]Poops_McYolo 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
These laws vary wildly by state and you should always read up on your state and local ordinances. In Virginia you are not required to give notice to a LEO, but you can not concealed carry while under the influence. You can open carry without a permit and while under the influence.
[–]TheRealSuBAMF 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Thankful I live in Texas, where I'm not required to tell anyone jack shit.
[–]crash8308 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
Arizona is similar. Just common courtesy since cops do a good job here.
[–]_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ 216 points217 points218 points  (8 children)
To which I reply: "idk, are you wearing underwear?"
You deserve to get laid from that response alone.
[–]RonPaulBot1128 51 points52 points53 points  (2 children)
Plot twist she waant wearing underwear expecting to get laid.
[–]canonetell66 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
Plot twist. She had her own concealed and he got nowhere near the prize.
[–]45acpthrowaway[S] 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
Thank you for making me laugh, cheers!
[–]Dezza2241 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Unfortunately, no banging occurred that evening
[–]DomiNatron2212 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
She will forever tell this story and not mention the part about how she was the reason the cops were called.
[–]Rooster6472 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
I carry concealed on a regular basis. It's a big mistake to even hint that you might be carrying. Always resist that temptation. In my many years of carrying (legally), no one has ever suspected that I have a firearm as far as I know.
If shit happens, I will defend myself and anyone around me.
[–]Preskool_dropout 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
Nailed it. I've never understood why people would talk about it. Keep it to yourself. It's on a need to know basis.
[–]sqrt36 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Or open carry. That's legal in my state, and I see people doing it sometimes. I'm pretty sure they're just compensating for something.
[–]Hrrrrup 112 points113 points114 points  (82 children)
You didn't fuck up by carrying a gun. That's your right.
You fucked up by not realizing that this is something people feel strongly about, that not everyone agrees with you, and not letting her know ahead of time. Just let her know--at WORST you save money and time and "dodge a bullet" (sorry) when she says no to the date. At best, she thinks it through and says "Thanks for telling me. Sounds responsible." And you go out.
You fucked up by not owning your choice in mutually respectful way. "Are you wearing underwear?" You knew by then she didn't believe guns and underwear were equally necessary; it was a first date and you went straight to her underwear when she appeared uncomfortable. Just say, "Yes. If that makes you uncomfortable, I'm happy to let you finish your meal in peace and I wish you the best." That's it. You don't have to agree. You don't have to be nice. All you have to do is not make fun of her opinion or joke about her underwear.
You fucked up by being a smartass with the cop. Like what were you hoping to accomplish there? Just be honest and comply. Any reasonably moderate person who is not part of an anti-police anarchist movement is going to at least comply with requests.
Just by treating other people with the same respect you expect from them, you could have avoided the TIFU and just had a run of the mill "guess that wasn't meant to be" bad date.
[–]45acpthrowaway[S] 48 points49 points50 points  (73 children)
I definitely 100% agree with you that if I did those things - that situation would not have gone the way it did.
[–]Hrrrrup 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
Hah, definitely. I hope you find a woman who appreciates you for who you are and who you can share your hobbies and beliefs with. There are plenty of people out there who will enjoy who you really are so just be honest (but kind).
[–]45acpthrowaway[S] 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
Amen. Thank you!
[–]irl_moderator 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
This thread is all that is needed under this post. Like your date, I don't like guns. But this little exchange made me realize you're a good person. Better luck next time and good on you for being a braver dater than me.
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    [–]TheBattenburglar 13 points14 points15 points  (65 children)
    Sorry but as a woman, I would not be happy if the man I went on a date with brought a firearm and didn't tell me. Mostly because, as a poster above stated, I am firmly anti-gun. Not interested in having a debate about that now, I just am. It's enough of a sticking point that I would not want the date to continue, or the dating if it had gone further.
    I also would not feel safe. Especially on a first date.
    Also the idea that you think it's acceptable to use a gun on a woman for "nonsense" on a first date is despicable.
    [–]seniorscubasquid 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    If he's following the logic that he needs a gun to defend himself while in public, then logically, when he goes on a public date, he's gunna bring his gun.
    Personally I think someone carrying is none of your business. You'll never know they have it unless they need it.
    [–]EspyOwner 42 points43 points44 points  (2 children)
    The burglar doesn't like people owning a means of serious self defense! I see through your guise, devil woman. You can't fool me with your snake words.
    [–]TheBattenburglar 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    Curses! Foiled again. All I'm after is tasty cake though.
    [–]acdc51502112 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Because people are getting burgled during the 2nd course on a regular basis
    [–]username_classified 18 points19 points20 points  (2 children)
    I'm also a woman and not at all anti-gun (I have a few) and I agree with you. I would feel extremely uncomfortable showing up to a first date and finding out they are carrying. I don't know them or their intentions or how responsible they are and they brought a weapon to meet me for the first time? No thanks
    [–]misskitty5077 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    I'm yet another woman who has a carry permit. I would not care if my date showed up with a gun. I would never go on a date without mine so I have no reason to be offended if he has his own on him, too. If he has a carry permit it tells me a couple things about him - he is not a convicted felon and he is situationally aware of his surroundings.
    If I learn that he's packing and doesn't have a carry permit I'm bailing. I don't want anything to do with any part of that shit.
    Also, I may be a bit jaded but I owe my life to having a carry permit and the ability to defend myself when I needed it.
    [–]Just10Sanity 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
    How would that even be brought up? I'm being genuine in asking since I haven't dated anyone in 11+ years I can't wrap my head around disclosing this prior to the date. "So would Olive Garden this Saturday at 7 work for you? Great! Also I'm bringing my gun, is that cool?" It just seems so odd to me. I'm not a gun owner so this isn't coming from some NRA donor or anything, I just would like to know how a woman would expect this to be brought up.
    [–]Homeless_Gandhi 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Olive garden sounds great Sarah! I'll pick you up around 7 in my Bronco. Just so you know, I have a gun in my pants.
    [–]misskitty5077 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    Actually, it shouldn't have been brought up. Concealed means concealed. If I were OP I would not have even commented on her statements. I would have instantly known I wanted no further contact with someone who is unable to calmly and rationally have a discussion about such a hot topic.
    [–]nocendi 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    How do you conclude she wasn't able to do that? It was him that replied like a complete retard.
    [–]Iwillnotreplytoyou 14 points15 points16 points  (19 children)
    If you would like to know if someone is concealed carrying a gun on a date then I would like to know if someone has a mental illness before I go on a date with them. They could be dangerous or alcohol might not mix well with their medicine and it could be a deadly situation.
    [–]blackleaf31 16 points17 points18 points  (5 children)
    Sorry but as a woman, I would not be happy if the man I went on a date with brought a firearm and didn't tell me. Mostly because, as a poster above stated, I am firmly anti-gun. Not interested in having a debate about that now, I just am. It's enough of a sticking point that I would not want the date to continue, or the dating if it had gone further. I also would not feel safe. Especially on a first date.
    Well, that is deeply unfortunate I guess, because I already asked the state for permission, and I am sure as hell not asking you.
    [–]TheBattenburglar 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
    You misunderstand. It's not about asking permission. It's that I personally would not want to date someone who owns a hand gun. I'm sure you wouldn't want to date me either so it's not really an issue.
    [–]blackleaf31 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
    If it is a first date, there could be all kinds of "sticking points" to use your words that would indicate a second date or relationship might not be desired by one or both parties.
    That's kinda the point of the date, to find that out.
    How am I supposed to know what your deal breakers are in advance, and you to know mine? Are we supposed to have a disclosure sheet with all of our controversial views on it in advance?
    Maybe we have been on a date, and it fell apart for some other reason. Who knows? Such is life.
    [–]Exonautic1 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
    Where is any of this did you take away using a gun for nonsense on a women? And don't worry, most people who conceal carry would not mind that relationship quickly dissolving.
    [–]TheBattenburglar 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
    "Women do set men up for all types of scams/nonsense on a casual date. Its rare but its more common then a random violent crime in a commercial district at night. I am not saying you should bring a gun to defend yourself from a crime committed against you by your date but if you already own and carry. Why not? You might need it."
    Clearly implying you might need to use the gun against a nefarious woman.
    [–]bald_and_nerdy 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    Also the idea that you think it's acceptable to use a gun on a woman for "nonsense" on a first date is despicable.
    Did we read the same post? His weapon never left the holster until the police removed it. She over reacted and left before they could charge her.
    That being said I try to get the hot button issues out in the open before the first date. For me that includes religion and guns among other things. If she is against either then it won't workout so I break it off.
    EDIT: I didn't see that this person was replying to the person above him not OP. Sorry.
    [–]TheBattenburglar 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    I'm replying to the person above me, not OP. Read his post.
    [–]Guson1 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    You really don't need to tell everyone you go out with that you're carrying a firearm. That's the point of carrying concealed. Nobody knows you have it unless you really trust them with that information.
    [–]MartinVanlookenvald 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    I have the right to puff on my electronic cigarette, but I will have fucked up big time if I do it in a job interview or will officiating a wedding or something. Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you can't fuck up by doing it. I can do really gross smelling farts, that's my right there's no law against it, there's nothing in the constitution forbidding me from doing it. But if I did it while sharing an hour long cab ride with my girlfriend's parents, then that would be a fuck up.
    [–]hadda-ask 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
    "why would you bring a gun to a restaurant!?" is such a stupid question to ask someone once it has been established that they carry. Obviously if someone is carrying they are doing it for protection in case some bad shit happens. You never know when bad shit is going to happen. I don't own a gun, but I can understand the mindset. If you get a carry permit but leave the gun in your car that is near pointless.
    [–]namastayherewithme 15 points16 points17 points  (59 children)
    Unrelated question. What firearm would you recommend for a women to carry? I'm not a fan of the bodyguard, but would like something small
    [–]Deac0311 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
    Glock 43
    [–]preownedfleshlight 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    They are a great weapon regardless of gender. I can pocket carry mine.
    [–]thehorseatemycar 6 points7 points8 points  (14 children)
    Everyone mentioning small guns has missed an important catch with them. Small guns are harder to shoot. Whether it be crappy triggers, snappy recoil, almost non existent sights, small grips that are tough to hold onto or difficult controls a lot of small guns are just not that easy to use. I see too many husbands buy into the "she's a woman so she needs a physically small gun" and they end up hating what their husband chose for them because small guns just aren't that fun to shoot.
    That being said I pocket carry a Ruger LCP 2 daily. It's a tiny gun and anyone can conceal it. Ruger did a lot to make it more user friendly too. The trigger is pretty good and I feel the recoil in manageable. I have no difficulty putting 100 rounds at a time through it.
    Others are recommending the single stack 9mm category. Those are solid choices. They're a bit larger in size and tend to be more friendly and easier to shoot.
    Whatever you decide rent one and put a few magazines through it before you buy. Guns are expensive and pretty important tools. Not something I would want to lug around every day and have even an ounce of doubt or regret with my purchase.
    [–]slightlyassholic 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    When I chose my every day carry weapon I prioritized concealability and comfort to carry. It was a complete different mindset than what I used to select a "normal" pistol. Great sights, fun to shoot, accuracy, etc are great for a range, hunting, or tactical pistol. In most self defense situations the fighting is at very close range so no sights aren't really an issue and it isn't something that you spend all afternoon shooting at the range with. It's something that you carry probably never shooting it and only running a magazine or two through at the range to stay in practice with it.
    I packed a Seecamp .32. I could rapidly empty the magazine in seconds (pulling the trigger as fast as I could without really aiming) with every round at least in the 7 ring at ten yards. It was beyond reliable I had absolutely no concerns about it working if needed. It was solid stainless steel and actually fired better when not perfectly clean. It was tiny. I could just put it (in proper gunleather of course) in a pocket and it would disappear.
    The .32 is a underrated cartridge in my opinion. Each round has roughly the same mass and muzzle velocity as a buckshot pellet when fired from a 2 inch barrel.
    [–]thehorseatemycar 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Yeah true. I was just trying to make it a point to make sure the gun doesn't completely suck before you buy it.
    My Shield is much easier and more enjoyable to shoot than my LCP 2. But the LCP 2 isn't bad either and is my EDC because of how well it conceals.
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 24 points25 points26 points  (16 children)
    Well I definitely recommend going in and fitting them to see how each firearm works with your hand size. Remember that with concealability (not a word) you loose Comfort. Something small (unless a .22) will be very snappy regardless. Also remember that you hope to never have to use this firearm. I always told my customers to shoot and clean their concealed at least once a month, but in reality they shot it once when they bought it and it's doomed to gather dust or be wedged somewhere.
    [–]RonPaulBot1128 10 points11 points12 points  (12 children)
    .380 are nice and fit practically anywhere.
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
    Indeed. I really enjoy how concealable .380 is. They just catch a lot of grief for not being "comfortable." A comfortable to shoot and easy to conceal firearm has become somewhat of an oxymoron in not perspective. You want it to be more comfortable - it needs to be bigger to better ergonomically fit your palms. You want it to be more concealable- it's gotta be small, but oh - you want to carry a 9mm. That is gonna have a tad bit of a snap to it haha. Easily the most common conversation as a firearms dealer in a concealed state.
    [–]bald_and_nerdy 5 points6 points7 points  (9 children)
    Yeah but subcompact 9mm is as small, a hair thicker, and packs double the power.
    [–]ADacome24 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
    Glock 43 and a flashbang holster
    [–]blackleaf31 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Ruger LC9s Pro.
    [–]I_dontknowwhyimhere 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
    Please check out the purses. They have some that are absolutely amazing and you can't tell that they are used for CC'ing.
    If you wear skirts or dresses a garter holster might be the perfect thing for you. :) good luck!
    [–]blackleaf31 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    Off Body carry is disfavored. Women's clothing does present some additional challenges though.
    [–]FunkyNotAJunkieBoss 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    this arouses me
    [–]Mortalytas 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I just got a Keltec P3AT 380. Very small, which is great if you have small hands like me. It's also super lightweight, doesn't even weigh a pound fully loaded. Perfect for concealed carry.
    [–]SappyMcSapperton 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Sig P938 is a good option
    [–]ElfCharm 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
    I don't know a lot about concealed carry permit. Though I assume this changes somewhat between states.
    Do you have to tell police you have a concealed fire arm?
    If not I don't see OP's response to the cops as a fuck up. I was a volunteer firefighter for a while and often trained with cops, and while through that I grew a great respect for them, I don't tend to give them more info then needed. I'm respectful sure, but if that laws say I don't need to tell them about my concealed carry and I'm not being detained I don't see how it is a fuck up on OPs part.
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Do you have to tell police you have a concealed fire arm?
    Depends on the state
    [–]leechtree 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
    I cringed reading this. Honestly, that date sounds pretty self-centred so she wouldn't think about the fact that she's stepping on toes. Also, you could have made the latter part of the evening de-escalate if you were calm (but given that conversation over dinner it's understandable why you weren't).
    I hope you found someone who actually has good conversations with you.
    [–]fauxkaren 50 points51 points52 points  (175 children)
    Christ, I'd be so freaked out if I went on a first date with a stranger and found out they had a gun on them.
    [–]CaptainAmerricka 14 points15 points16 points  (2 children)
    Why would someone tell you they have a gun on them in a public setting if they meant to harm you? I've never understood that. People are more afraid of people that open carry but like, they're letting you know they have a gun upfront. I'm more concerned with everyone else.
    [–]cwcollins06 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    This is why I have a couple of rules about carrying. I don't carry into someone's home unless I know they know I carry and they aren't uncomfortable with it. Same goes with places of worship. Unless I know the pastor and they know me and i know they're OK with it.
    I am married, so thank GOD I don't have to go on first dates anymore, but precisely because I wouldn't know the person well enough to understand their position on the issue, AND any reasonable person is going to feel particularly exposed and vulnerable on a first date, I would not carry.
    This is how we change people's minds. Respect their vulnerabilities and fears, earn their respect, then there's a foundation on which controversial issues can be addressed in an environment of mutual trust and respect.
    I know most of my fellow "gun-toters" will think I am crazy for technically leaving myself less safe at any time, but it's a numbers game. There's a greater than zero chance I get attacked at any time, but that chance is infinitesimally small compared to the chance I will not be as long as I am making good decisions about where, how, and with whom I spend my time. The calculus for me is that a meaningful connection with another person is well worth the increased risk.
    TL;DR: People who carry guns have power, power is scary, while fear of all guns isn't rational, it isn't unfounded. Respect people who are different than you by not surprising them with a gun.
    [–]Lovebot_AI 34 points35 points36 points  (108 children)
    Even if they were carrying it legally and had extensive training to use it?
    [–]TheEdes 37 points38 points39 points  (44 children)
    You might not realize it, but tinder dates are a bit scary for girls. Even if you can pull whatever stats you find, it still makes them feel vulnerable, after all, they're looking to open up to a stranger on the internet.
    Add to that the fact that he has a weapon and they don't, it gets even scarier, even if they're not political science or sociology majors, who tend to think there is no need for weapons in the middle of a city.
    I'm sorry if this sounds condescending in any way, I'm trying to sound reasonable here, regardless of whether you think guns are your life or not, maybe consider not bringing it to your next date, unless you're using it as a filter to find more gun fanatics, in which case that might not be the best use for a gun, in my opinion.
    [–]TehKatieMonster 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
    Please don't speak for all women. Unlike you I would have found it intriguing and nice after checking he had a permit. I'm not terrified of guns. If you are not pointing your gun at me I am not in any danger. I actually had an ex teach me how to use guns and I will say the only thing that scares me about guns is firing off a small explosion in your hand. Got to experience that feeling on a gun range while he was firing a rifle. Other than that I know guns are safe in the right hands.
    [–]_NoSheepForYou_ 15 points16 points17 points  (5 children)
    That's the thing - on a tinder date you don't know the other person, so you don't if it's in the right hands.
    I dislike guns, but I'm not afraid of them. I've gone shooting and seriously considered buying one myself. But if I was on a date with a stranger who said they had one, I would be very uncomfortable. I don't know this person hardly at all, why would I trust that they are "the right hands"?
    In this case it has less to do with one's comfort around guns and more to do with being in a vulnerable situation with a virtual stranger.
    [–]busty_cannibal 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    No one is speaking for all women. I like guns too, I own a gun, but if a guy brings a gun on a first date, that's a sign he doesn't grasp basic social mores that most women will feel threatened by a stranger showing up armed.
    [–]woozi_11six 1 point2 points3 points  (26 children)
    When I CC, I do it for my safety and for others. I'm not going to consider going out without my firearm. That's not even an option in my book. Unless I'm going out drinking (I haven't in about two years) then I won't carry. Shit can hit the fan at anytime and I want to be prepared. Better to have the gun and not need it than to not have the gun and need it.
    [–]RetailTrashMan 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
    and for others
    Pretty sure this is how you end up in prison for taking the role of an officer when you're not an officer. Don't play Batman.
    [–]Preskool_dropout 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Not true. Obviously there are a ton of variables, but generally speaking if someone's life is in danger and you step in, you are legally able to do so. Again, clearly it has to be a very straightforward situation, you can't just be a vigilante, but you are able to legally defend someone in danger.
    [–]hummingbird4289 1 point2 points3 points  (20 children)
    Where do you live that you feel so unsafe all the time?!
    [–]bigchebo 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Dude I'm fine with gun ownership. I'm originally from mass but moved to New Hampshire. I'll probably buy one. But I don't get this fear. If I was that afraid of the world the only reason I would want a gun would be to kill myself. Fuck being that afraid
    [–]coocaine 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I don't think you really grasp what a conceal carry permit is. How about doing a little bit more research before looking like a moron u/TheEdes
    [–]TheBattenburglar 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
    Yep. 100%. I'd still be freaked out and end the date immediately.
    [–]fauxkaren 7 points8 points9 points  (52 children)
    If it's a tinder date, how would I know that?
    I don't want to end up on a future episode of Dateline.
    [–]Oakshot 16 points17 points18 points  (48 children)
    Same way you would know anything about your date, use your common sense about what you know about them to that point and ask.
    Being hyperbolic about someone carrying a concealed handgun being more likely to be plotting your murder doesn't really gain you anything. A person with a license has had a background check and lacks anything serious on their criminal record and are mostly law abiding types. If they're not licensed, then I could see things being more interesting.
    I guess the real question is are you afraid of the person or the gun?
    [–]fauxkaren 3 points4 points5 points  (39 children)
    Porque no los dos?
    Like.... in general I am not comfortable with guns. And in general I am wary of men I don't know well. Combine the two and noooope. No thank you.
    I would definitely feel threatened if a man I didn't know told me they were carrying a gun.
    [–]Oakshot 4 points5 points6 points  (37 children)
    Because being afraid of an inanimate object isn't rational and neither is conflating your fear of an inanimate object with your fear of men or conflating your fear of men for a given man. It seems like it would make a lot of interactions unnecessarily difficult. But I know some people have real visceral reactions to objects and people and animals. I don't like seeing law-abiding gun-owners conflated with serial murderers and what-ever else people imagine in order to discriminate against another group of people.
    I'll be the first to be cautious of potential threats in dating for sure, but if I went on a blind date and it turns out to be with an MMA fighter and you say, well I think all MMA fighters are dangerous and could easily overpower me so "I don't want to end up on a future episode of Dateline", that's fucked up, we call it discrimination. Nobody likes to be discriminated against, it doesn't help society and even actively hurts us as a whole.
    I would definitely feel threatened if a man I didn't know told me they were carrying a gun.
    Ok. Like hyperventilating threatened or what would you do? What kind of situation are you thinking of?
    In the context of the thread we're talking about getting to know someone on a date at a restaurant and it wasn't going particularly well.
    [–]oeynhausener 0 points1 point2 points  (14 children)
    Because being afraid of an inanimate object isn't rational
    Hell yeah it is, if said object is capable of killing me in less than 10 seconds when in use...? It's basic survival instinct, duh
    [–]TehKatieMonster 8 points9 points10 points  (11 children)
    A knife could kill you in ten seconds too, so could a three inch nail. I don't see people rallying to ban knives and nails. Plus I bet you have both objects in your house.
    [–]zxc123456789 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Not trying to be a smart ass. If you feel that strongly why not ask the guy before the date if he is a gun owner and get the issue resolved before the date? Both of you may conclude things are not going to work because both of you have strong views on guns.
    [–]busty_cannibal 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    A person's mental state isn't in the background check.
    Your first sentence is the point everyone is trying to make -- you don't know this person at all during your first date. That's what first dates are for, finding out what kind of person this is. You may chat for a week before the date, but unless you meet in person, you don't know much (as op demonstrated). You're trusting a compete stranger, and if he shows up armed and doesn't understand why that's a problem, any intelligent woman would be out of there. As I've said elsewhere in this thread, i own a gun myself but if a guy invited me to an expensive restaurant where there is zero chance I would need to use it, that gun is staying home.
    [–]Oakshot 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    expensive restaurant where there is zero chance I would need to use it
    Unfortunately for me, I'm just a middle-class plebian who can't afford to regularly take dates out to restaurants and other establishments that provide armed security for their guests. Even then, if you were serous about your own security, you wouldn't rely on them, that's the whole point of carrying, you don't get to plan on when you'll need it.
    Also love that snipe against the entire other half your gender being unintelligent if they're comfortable with firearms. Stay classy.
    [–]Iwillnotreplytoyou 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
    Then you shouldn't go on tinder dates or dates with strangers?
    [–]MURPHtheSURF 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Definitely true.
    [–]_NoSheepForYou_ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That's not true. Gun laws are stupidly lax and easy to get around. And any girl who has ever been in a shitty relationship or been on a shitty date can tell you, it's not that easy to weed pout the crazies from the good guys. The crazies are amazingly good at hiding it.
    I am always on guard against the person, but you add a gun to the mix and the stakes just go up astronomically.
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Seriously.
    The butter knife on the table is just as easily a weapon as a firearm being carried legally.
    [–]Hardcorex 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    I don't disagree with you at all, it's about trusting a stranger and you have every right to be wary. But I frame it to myself in the way that if someone intends to do me harm they can. I couldn't defend myself against a fist fight with someone more skilled than I, I couldn't defend against a knife picked up from the restaurant table, or defend myself from the chair he is sitting if he chose to attack me. What makes the gun that much different?
    Sorry you are getting a lot of confrontational messages below, I just want to share my perspective on it with you to challenge fears.
    [–]fauxkaren -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    Well I studied Tang Soo Do for 5 years, and did do some practice with knife defense during that time, so I WOULD feel that I at least had a fighting chance against just fists or a table knife. A gun does a lot more damage a lot faster. It's a false equivalency, really.
    [–]Darce-vader 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    If it was a tinder date, like OP's story, I would be. If you knew they were qualified, then not so much.
    [–]busty_cannibal 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You're missing the point. Imagine meeting a compete stranger for the first time and finding out he's armed. You're already putting a lot of faith into this stranger not being some psycho looking to rape you. Seeing that he brought a loaded weapon to a nice restaurant in (presumably) a good neighborhood is a huge red flag.
    [–]Durandal-1707 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    ESPECIALLY if they were ex military! Those people are war crazed violent degenerates!/s
    [–]metabollic91 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I really, really hope you forgot the /s.
    [–]TooManyMeds -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    Yes. We don't have civilians with guns (except in cases of sport and pleasure making where they're generally kept in safes when not in use)where I'm from. If someone had a gun I'd assume that 1. It was an illegal gun and 2. They're going to kill me
    [–]AmazingFlightLizard 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Maybe they have the gun to protect themselves from YOU. It's a dangerous world out there. Meeting a stranger, even just for dinner could take a turn for the worse. Would you rather be able to save yourself right there, or hope somebody calls the cops a few days later to investigate your disappearance and recover your body?
    [–]anomalous_cowherd -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    I have extensive training to use 25000 volt power supplies. I'd still expect a date to freak out if I brought one with me.
    [–]preownedfleshlight 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Please... it's a tinder date. There's like a 20% chance the person is going to murder you.
    [–]send_me_the_nudes 9 points10 points11 points  (44 children)
    You would never know. His date was stupid and he was stupid for even alluding to the fact that he was carrying. I've been carrying for the better part of 5 months and not a single person has ever noticed my CCW. So you wouldn't freak out because you wouldn't see it unless sexy time happened. Which at that point it would be your prerogative.
    Edit: Master concealers would somehow manage to conceal even with no clothes on.
    Edit2: Changed a word
    Edit3: Changed a word again.
    [–]DPPThrow45 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    He would have done better if he had eluded the question.
    [–]send_me_the_nudes 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Thanks for pointing out my mistake.
    [–]DPPThrow45 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Mistake? English is goofy.
    [–]sparrowbelfast 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It's nature's pocket!
    [–]keylight -6 points-5 points-4 points  (38 children)
    Nah that's still fucking weird. Why would you need a gun on a date, in a restaurant?
    Edit: love the downvotes guys. At least some other people are trying to have constructive arguments with me. Anyway I'd love for you to all come to Australia and see how people can live their days without guns. It's very relaxing.
    [–]Cptejcltr 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
    Same reason you'd need a gun anywhere I suppose
    [–]keylight -9 points-8 points-7 points  (2 children)
    So then you wouldn't need the gun??
    Edit: love the downvotes guys. At least some other people are trying to have constructive arguments with me. Anyway I'd love for you to all come to Australia and see how people can live their days without guns. It's very relaxing.
    [–]Requi3m 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Anyway I'd love for you to all come to Australia and see how people can live their days without guns. It's very relaxing.
    I'd love for you to come to America and see how people can live their days with guns. It's very relaxing.
    [–]Slinky_Dinkel 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Just like car insurance, right?
    [–]CaptainAmerricka 9 points10 points11 points  (33 children)
    Because a gun that you aren't carrying is useless. And also I can't carry a cop. Do you have fire extinguishers where you're from? Same principle.
    [–]keylight 2 points3 points4 points  (25 children)
    Yeah I don't carry fire extinguishers around because if there's a fire I call the emergency line
    I also don't have people trying to light me on fire when I go on dates
    [–]CaptainAmerricka 9 points10 points11 points  (24 children)
    So the restaurant doesn't have a fire extinguisher cause they can just wait for the fire fighters to show up? You don't have a fire extinguisher in your house? You'd rather let what starts off as a small fire engulf your house while you wait for the fire fighters? Most restaurants I go to don't have dedicated police officers or armed security so I like to protect myself.
    [–]keylight 1 point2 points3 points  (23 children)
    Protect yourself from what? Is America really such hive of scum and villainy that you need a gun to threaten people with death with?
    Also fire extinguishers are for putting out fires and saving lives. Guns exclusively exist to kill people.
    [–]CaptainAmerricka 11 points12 points13 points  (15 children)
    A gun as a form of protection is not a means of threatening people to death with. It's a means of protecting yourself when your life is threatened. I don't think anywhere in the world is safe from murderers. If someone wants to stab me, I'm not exactly trained in martial arts or knife fighting, but damn near anybody can shoot a gun. In America we don't deny people the right to self preservation.
    Look I'm not going to argue with you guns weren't created to kill people but even if they were never invented, people would still kill people. It's a tool for people to protect themselves with. You don't shoot someone who tries to take your wallet, you shoot someone that tries to take your life. People who carry and own guns hope and pray that they never have to use them, but if shit hits the fan, I'm going to defend myself. I take responsibility for myself and I don't expect anyone else to save me or take care of me. I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. If someone walked up to you and tried to stab you with a knife, would you rather have a gun, or not have a gun?
    [–]keylight -1 points0 points1 point  (14 children)
    In America we don't deny people the right to self preservation.
    wow. just wow. That's an incredible way of spinning the fact that america let's anyone have easy access to murder weapons.
    If someone walked up to you and tried to stab you with a knife, would you rather have a gun, or not have a gun?
    Definitely would rather not have the gun. It would slow me down while I'm running away.
    But seriously, when would anyone ever try and stab me? What kind of reality do you have in your head where people just go around stabbing?
    [–]CaptainAmerricka 11 points12 points13 points  (10 children)
    You either live in your own world, or a utopian place with an incredibly low crime rate. And please don't tell me that it has anything to do with the fact that there aren't guns there, because statistics are against you. But in case you haven't heard, people commit senseless murders just because, guns or no guns. Contrary to popular belief it's not easy to get a gun in America legally, unless you're background is clean in which case, why should you be denied one? Honestly, even if it boiled down to guns being the issue, there are too many in America to take them away from law abiding citizens and have it solve anything.
    [–]Requi3m 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    That's an incredible way of spinning the fact that america let's anyone have easy access to murder weapons.
    Except we don't. You can lose your right to own a gun for something as insignificant as yelling at your wife in all 50 states.
    It would slow me down while I'm running away.
    I hope you were on the track team.
    But seriously, when would anyone ever try and stab me? What kind of reality do you have in your head where people just go around stabbing?
    Man it would be nice to live in the fantasy world that you do.
    [–]Individdy 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
    Is America really such hive of scum and villainy that you need a gun to threaten people with death with?
    So you're suggesting that the police don't ever need guns when they are called to restaurants?
    Also fire extinguishers are for putting out fires and saving lives. Guns exclusively exist to kill people.
    Fire extinguishers are for saving lives. People who legally carry do so to save lives.
    [–]keylight 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
    So you're suggesting that the police don't ever need guns when they are called to restaurants?
    Police carry guns here, but they're trained to never pull them out. Unlike America we don't have issues with police murdering citizens.
    People who legally carry do so to save lives.
    Except all the ones who kill others... I could go with the "you wouldn't need to if other people didn't also carry guns" argument. But if someone comes at you with a knife, run away. And guns have never stopped a mass shooting. They've enabled a lot of them though.
    [–]Individdy 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
    You seem confused about the difference between law-abiding people carrying, and criminals who have guns illegally.
    [–]TheBattenburglar comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (6 children)
    This isn't a great analogy. No one carries fire extinguishers around with them, or hides them.
    [–]CaptainAmerricka 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
    That's because most places have fire extinguishers already. Most places do not have cops or armed security. Not everywhere allows open carry but even those that do most people still chose to conceal their guns for others' comfort and peace of mind, not their own. And also to not be singled out by criminals. If a criminal sees you carrying a gun, you're a threat to them, therefore you paint a target on your back.
    [–]TheBattenburglar -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
    I understand where you were coming from, but the analogy was weak because you were trying to conflate not carrying a gun with not having a fire extinguisher. But we don't carry the two in the same way. That's all I was saying.
    [–]CaptainAmerricka 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    I mean, again it's the point of being prepared for someone. You don't carry a fire extinguisher because well it'd be cumbersome, but at least here, I think any building wishing to be up to code needs to have them. Also, fires don't threaten your life when you're walking down the street. The analogy comes in, that if you wouldn't want to watch something burn as you wait for a fireman, why would you want to watch something tragic happen as you wait for a policeman?
    [–]Individdy 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I wouldn't be surprised if people in some professions do carry around a small fire extinguisher (the crew at racing tracks?), because even fixed ones on the structures are too far away when they need them quick.
    [–]TheBattenburglar 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Now that's a much better analogy.
    I'm not going to debate against it, because I know better than to try and argue against gun control on reddit, it never ends well. But thanks for taking the time to respond. Happy redditing!
    [–]masonstorm999 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I do. I have one stashed in the trunk of my car and one stashed in my work van. I've actually had to use one at work and use the one out of my car before.
    [–]mwjk13 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Ah show off the gun right after you lure them back and the implication kicks in, smart.
    [–]keylight 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
    I know right. So fucking glad I live in a country where I know no one will ever have a gun on them.
    [–]Mr_Civil 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
    Only the bad guys.
    [–]bismuth92 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
    You know what's great about only the bad guys having guns? That way you know right away who the bad guys are. The police can then arrest and disarm the bad guys as soon as they notice the gun, instead of having to wait until the shooting starts.
    [–]Mr_Civil 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works in reality. Maybe if they were flashing it around and showing everybody. Usually this only happens when the shooting is starting anyway.
    I can think of a lot of things that are great about responsible law abiding citizens having guns. For starters, we're free people with an innate right to protect ourselves and we shouldn't need the government's permission to do so.
    [–]metabollic91 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Or you could be in an area with no cops around.
    [–]yanroy -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    They won't notice the gun unless the bad guy is amazingly inept
    [–]kaenneth -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Or they could just arrest the ones with brown skin.
    [–]medicmongo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    If probably start talking about guns with them.
    [–]Sshs152 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You don't live in the south do you? As stated above the state already gave the holder permission do so in a concealed manner. You'll be thankful if it ever has to be used.
    [–]NoGoodUserName999999 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I would be kinda turned on. Nothing more attractive than a girl that can take care of herself.
    [–]thecosmicradiation -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Yeah sorry, ex-military or ex-gun shop worker or whatever, or not, I'd be noping the heck out of there immediately.
    [–]dollish_gambino -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    God, same. The moment it was even implied, I'd nope the fuck out. I am not going to go missing for a fucking Tinder date.
    [–]Iwillnotreplytoyou -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Sound like you need to start asking your dates if they are carrying a gun before you go out with them.
    [–]Hibria 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
    Why does it matter if you were ex military etc etc. I was never a military, or a cop, or anything like that and I ccw every day. Your only mistake was not being up front with police. Also your dates trip to the bathroom was her calling the police, they were just covering her ass.
    [–]8HourLunchBreak 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Also your dates trip to the bathroom was her calling the police, they were just covering her ass.
    I actually thought that was what had happened. It was set up like that and made sense coming from her, based on how the date had gone prior to that.
    [–]OldSpiceSmellsNice 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    I don't know why you apologized to her. That's the only other FU I see apart from your initial response to the cop. I don't get all the people giving you grief. And I'm anti-gun. It's legal to own a gun in the US and you seem like a responsible owner. I'd be impressed if my date had a gun (assuming he knows what he's doing with it). Though I don't approve of them, I appreciate those who know how to handle one.
    [–]Rehcamretsnef 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
    This is why Hillary lost.
    [–]Preskool_dropout 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    I bet a lot of people are going to not understand what you mean by this comment or assume you're joking, but there's definitely some truth to that.
    [–]Rehcamretsnef 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, on second glance, it may seem I'm responding to OPs personal situation, but it is in fact about what, and who, he had to deal with. We're sick of that type of shit!
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Definitely the effect of Hillary's blabbing on wanting huge 2A restrictions caused much more backlash than is broadly recognized.
    Even Bill Clinton told her the and (D)'s to chill the fuck out about it - but did they listen... Nope.
    [–]cheeselife99 9 points10 points11 points  (6 children)
    What's normal in America seems so fucked up in the UK. I would be horrified if the person I was on a date with had any kind of weapon, let alone a firearm. Don't blame your date for freaking out.
    [–]fabian_boesiger 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
    finally! everyone here is talking about guns and im just here wondering why on earth someone needs a gun in a 1st world country
    [–]BabyMafuloo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Because crime happens everywhere, including first world countries?
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, because muggings, rapes, murders, etc. never occur in the U.S., so obviously no one should have the right and ability to defend them-self.
    [–]Deckard_Pain 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Ask your local police why they have them.
    This train of thought is very ignorant.
    If I'm walking to the car with my wife and kids and a lunatic runs up with a knife, I'm not going to wait to see who he tries to stab.
    A gun removes him as a threat to me and my family.
    Without a gun, it would be me trying to minimize the damage and hope he doesn't try to stab my kids.
    Letting any crazy with a crude weapon have the opportunity to do harm to you or your loved ones is a ridiculous thought to me.
    [–]Deckard_Pain -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    This is such a tragic frame of mind.
    [–]pandamago 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Go ahead and fix moths and snaped.
    [–]laydeepunch 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    If you chatted to this lass before you took her out, did she not clock that you were ex-mil? And if so, did not think that maybe the way she views certain aspects of life may not be the same as you? I mean, that's the sort of difference that generally tells people they shouldn't go on a date with someone because there'd be no point. Good luck with your romantic endeavours OP, stay safe!
    [–]00-04 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    If you extrapolate your experience over a year and a half and actually married the girl, you pretty much described my first marriage, lol.
    [–]maynardDRIVESfast 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I also carry a concealed weapon, but it's pretty common knowledge among people that have a ccw that you inform the officer of its presence. It shows honesty in the eyes of an officer. I do understand your frustration with your date. Unfortunately, there are plenty people out there who think that you carrying a firearm (even legally) is wrong, and you should be condemned for it. Sorry this happened to you. Thanks for your service.
    [–]Epic21227 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Thank you for your service my brother. Glad you made some new friends.
    [–]meisteronimo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Dude clearly your date called the cops, not some restaurant guy.
    [–]-Laus- 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I wouldn't consider this a screw up. It was just a bad date. I would come to carry daily as I assume you do.
    [–]ArwensArtHole 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    The only thing you did wrong was apologise after, she definitely doesn't sound worth apologising to.
    [–]KeeperofAmmut7 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I was SURE it was your date who ratted you out. Damn it was some bratty kid.
    At least you weren't ventilated since your common sense returned.
    [–]jackbenimble106 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    She sounded like a cunt. I can practically hear the sound of her voice.
    [–]slickfddi 2 points3 points4 points  (22 children)
    Why would you wear a firearm to a restaurant? Do you live in bobcat country? Lol
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Why do restaurants have fire alarms, flame suppression systems, building code for occupancy limits and number and availability of exits?
    Are they planning on burning down the building with everyone in it?
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 16 points17 points18 points  (17 children)
    Not at all. City actually. I make the decision to carry a loaded and concealed firearm for a few different reasons: this is a lifestyle that I'm accustomed to, so like I said - it's a natural accessory whenever I leave my home. I also carry because since I have had the experience of working side by side with individuals in law enforcement- it has given me a lot of knowledge about how you never know what's going to happen. Things can go very wrong, very fast. I would rather be legally prepared to defend myself or others if at situation would ever require. The last one I can think of is - it's completely legal. I agree that mental evaluations should be given in order to receive a firearm. I am a law abiding citizen with a clean criminal record; therefore, if it's a legal right to carry a concealed firearm - I'm going to do it because I can. Question for you: Why do you not carry a firearm?
    [–]oeynhausener -23 points-22 points-21 points  (16 children)
    Things can go very wrong, very fast
    Of course, if every idiot who's willing to put just a little effort into it is legally allowed to carry loaded firearms. Not that I'm calling you an idiot, OP, but IMO that mindset kind of is a huge deal of the problem at hand. Statistics all around the globe are backing this up. Again, I don't mean to offend, just think about it for a minute please.
    [–]slothman420 17 points18 points19 points  (10 children)
    People who are qualified to conceal carry have lower criminality than the general populace.
    But you just go ahead calling people you don't agree with idiots
    [–]oeynhausener comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (9 children)
    I'm not calling anyone an idiot because he carrys a gun. I'm pointing out that it is dangerously easy for an idiot to get their hands on one under US law.
    [–]Frododingus 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
    This is true but not quite as easy for a ccw. And besides, even if they were illegal if someone really wants a gun they will get it.
    [–]Grimesy2 -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
    That's why I'm glad to live in AZ where a CCW isn't necessary, and any dipshit can walk into a gun show with $500 cash and walk out with a handgun in less than 20 minutes.
    [–]oeynhausener comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (0 children)
    This is true but not quite as easy for a ccw.
    Alright, got any proof or data backing this up?
    even if they were illegal if someone really wants a gun they will get it.
    It's true, but still, the threshold is much higher and it makes a huge difference if you look at any of these statistics.
    [–]thehorseatemycar 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
    We should have minimum IQ tests at the polls! Yeah!
    /s
    [–]oeynhausener -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
    Idiot as in "guy with bad intentions". Didn't think that needed any clarification.
    [–]thehorseatemycar 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
    Being stupid and being a criminal aren't exactly the same thing.
    [–]oeynhausener 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    That's true, it might have been the wrong choice of words on my part. Sorry, I'm not a native speaker. But that's all a little past the point, isn't it?
    [–]thehorseatemycar 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Not really.
    "Idiot" can mean someone who is just plain inept in one way or another. Doesn't mean they're a criminal or have bad intentions.
    [–]Fickfotzendrecksau 18 points19 points20 points  (4 children)
    Oh yeah, it's totally better to do it like us here in Europe, where guns are banned and therefore only the bad guys have any, while normal citizens get some shitty pepper spray at most and even that is banned in many countries. And as a victim of violence you can only run away or curl up into a ball and hope you're still alive afterwards.
    [–]IndefiniteE 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    You had me going at the start. I wonder how many wonderbread redditors updooted your reply without reading the whole thing.
    [–]thank_mr_skeltal_bot 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    yo get the updoots
    [–]k_dragon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Isn't it the case though that in France you're not allowed to defend yourself with anything "above" what you're being attacked with? In a case like that, if somebody "only" tried to beat me up, I could potentially go to jail for using martial arts to injure them, since martial arts is treated as a weapon (as opposed to being treated as being unarmed) in many court situations. My self defense go-to if somebody throws a straight punch is block -> wrist grab -> break elbow -> eye gouge. Harsh maybe, but if somebody's trying to hurt me, and I have no way of knowing their intent, I hardly think it's excessive. If I can't even defend myself with martial arts, wtf am I supposed to do?
    [–]bald_and_nerdy 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
    Why do you have a spare tire/doughnut/fixaflat in your car? Are you planning on getting a flat tire?
    [–]rhart6 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    The tow truck response time is so good I don't bother with those things. I'll never have to wait on the side of the road while I miss anything important right? /s
    [–]bald_and_nerdy 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Yeah a tow truck will be passing by the second you get a flat and will have no other business keeping them from dropping everything and getting you on your merry way. /s
    [–]cvg216 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    "this girl was a political science major (if that explains anything)"
    I'm a political science major in a very liberal nation (far more liberal than the USA) and I can assure you we're not all aggressively pushy cunts.
    [–]Slinky_Dinkel 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Of course not all, but the vocal majority makes the minority look bad.
    [–]YodasHutOnDagobah 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I was literally going to post to /r/guns and ask if anyone carries on first dates and such, but I thought "nah, no one probably does that." And here you are good sir! Good to know that the worst thing that happened is your date went sour. Carry on brother. Literally.
    [–]TehKatieMonster 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    This pisses me off so much. We're you waving the gun around and threatening to shoot anyone? If the answer is no what the fuck is the problem then? I hate this mentality that only police should carry fire arms or that people are so stupid they don't know fucking gun laws.
    [–]realitycheck17 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    "Yes I'm carrying a firearm. And she's wearing underwear." One is as illegal as the other. They should have put her in the back of a car for half hour.
    [–]hardolaf 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Am I the only person who doesn't understand what reasonable suspicion existed for them to detain him?
    [–]WontChupBru 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    My boyfriend open carried in Whole Foods once and the security guard, who was an off duty police officer, basically snuck up behind him with no warning and restrained him and took his gun. Then he brought him outside and made a bunch of moronic comments that my bf caught on tape and is on YouTube somewhere. Bf ended up suing the guy and Whole Foods and the police department and won like somewhere between $5000 and $10000 I'm not exactly sure how much. Cops aren't actually allowed to take a gun away from you if you aren't breaking any laws.
    [–]Oakshot -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
    What a massive cunt. I think you witnessed all of her past and future relationships almost in a single sitting.
    [–]FuckerMan011 -6 points-5 points-4 points  (1 child)
    She's not a cunt for disliking some random stranger secretly bringin a mass murder weapon to a blind date
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Mass murder weapon - LOL
    [–]fcb98292 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    No date is worth putting your rights on hold.
    [–]Esarassa 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
    So glad I live in Australia - we don't have guns.
    [–]Poops_McYolo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Not a single one?
    [–]Flabvn -14 points-13 points-12 points  (2 children)
    No shit. Thanks fucking god I don't have to worry about being in the middle of a gunfight because someone spills a coffee on someone else at breakfast.
    [–]Requi3m 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
    that's cute that you guys think that's what living in america is like. That's like me saying I'm glad I don't have to worry about kangaroos choking me out when I go for a walk.
    [–]Lendmeyournipples 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    You clearly underestimate how much of a menace kangaroos are
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    LOL - you are fucking clueless if you think Australia doesn't have guns.
    [–]japroct comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (10 children)
    You did nothing wrong. Bitch would definitely sang a different tune if things went sideways on your date and somehow you had to use that gun to defend her and yourself. That's the whole point of constitutional carry, to protect and defend. People who don't support this ideal are more than welcome to step out front and act as human shields.......
    [–]Comassion 27 points28 points29 points  (7 children)
    In the restaurant, sure.
    When the cops asks if he's got a gun? It's really not a good idea to mess around with that question.
    [–]Durandal-1707 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
    More disappointed he didn't
    A) Ask if the cop was wearing underwear
    B) Say "I'll show you mine if you show me yours"
    [–]chargoggagog 6 points7 points8 points  (5 children)
    Agree 100%. People who respond with the legal crap are just being difficult to law enforcement. If you are honest with them, cops will be honest with you.
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    100% agree. That was a very bad response.
    [–]mistresshelga 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Actually the legal crap in my state is that you must acknowledge that you have a firearm. As far as them being honest with you...eh...
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Not necessarily - but it's generally a pretty decent course of action.
    [–]garrett_k -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    So what? Would you be polite if anybody else came up and started asking you rude questions in the middle of a date?
    [–]TehKatieMonster 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Actually the real point of constitutional carry is so people would have the means to take down the government if it ever became corrupt, and guess who is making all the propaganda and laws to try and take our guns away?
    [–]ajw05266 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
    Man, fuck her. I hate people like that. Forgive me if I'm going out on a limb here but considering as she's a political science major and most universities are basically Democratic Party ideology indoctrination facilities I'll assume she was a democrat. They claim to be the most tolerant and accepting group of people on the planet, and do their very best to claim the moral high ground... unless you disagree with them or do something they don't like. Really sad and frustrating. As soon as she started lecturing me about her politics (awkward/inappropriate as fuck on a first date might I add) I would've asked for the check, gotten my food to go, paid, and left. Ain't nobody gonna lecture me and tell me I'm wrong solely because we have a difference of opinion.
    My condolences OP
    [–]FAT_TROLL 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    What I am really interested in - did you manage to find a date on Tinder that likes your "are you wearing underwear?" sense of humour on a first date ? Cause if she said no, you might have said that you do have a loaded gun...between your legs. That would be in character ... maybe.
    [–]TheMUGrad 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Did they tell you it was a "highschool barback" that called you in? My suspicion was that your date called when she went to the bathroom.
    [–]Plz_Pm_Me_Cute_Fish 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Her loss man, don't let it bother you.
    [–]Token_White_Male 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I don't know anything about guns so forgive my ignorance. But if you were carrying legally, why did the cops remove all the rounds from your gun? I can only assume that is standard operating procedure for them when dealing with this sort of thing? Also, was it unusual that they gave your rounds back to you at the end?
    [–]ju1cy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    So, you don't think it was the date who called the complaint in?
    [–]Bumfacethefirst 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Statistically, do people who carry firearms with the correct permits end up causing gun related problems? I imagine the vast majority of issues are caused by those without permits, but I don't know the stats
    [–]Throwaway8754212 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I don't having citations readily available but those with closed carry permits are much less likely to cause issues using their firearm.
    [–]thehermitkatrina 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I'm sorry your date didn't go as planned. It sounds like it wouldn't have worked out just based on her attitude toward conversation. I struggle with being over-opinionated, but you can't learn anything if you're always talking. It's important to listen to other's opinions, especially those that do not match yours. As a lady, however, I would be scared shitless to be on a first date with a guy and find out mid dinner/ drinks that he's carrying a firearm. Going on a first date or any date is scary enough. I mean, I take pictures of my date's license plate and send those pictures along with the dude's profile picture or something to a friend. Kidnap, rape, murder, etc. Any of those could happen as a result of a date gone bad. I may be exaggerating, but these are real fears I have. Dating sucks when you like men but are also afraid of them.
    Edit: typos and further explanation of my point.
    [–]daihanz 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Wow. This is a nice story to have read. Glad it didn't get worse, but screw your date for the way she acted. Hope you have better dates in the future mate :).
    [–]ghost_victim 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Holy shit. If this happened where I lived... It would be very different.
    [–]leonbed 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I dont get why you would carry a gun to a Restaurant but I wouldnt call the cops over it either. Thats the worst thing to do, call the cops just because you dont like it.
    [–]Zathodian 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yay freedom..
    [–]anonymousinsomniac 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Political science majors are the most clueless people, I swear.
    [–]ifUdisagreeUloveDick 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    If you were black I don't think things would have been this chill.
    [–]nocendi 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    To which I reply: "idk, are you wearing underwear?"
    So the real problem is that you act like a 12 year old.
    [–]fauxkaren 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    They're people but they're not a protected class.
    [–]PsychNurse6685 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Dumb broad. This is what we have to deal with. THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE
    [–]tomodachi_reloaded 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Let me guess, your skin tends to turn red under sun exposure, right?
    [–]casual_observer681 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The real FU here is going out with a polisci major. Most useless of liberal arts degrees around, and seems to attract scum to it. Every political science major I've ever known is a douche at best.
    [–]lesliemarie97 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    You must be white. No way would a black man had come out of that alive!
    [–]NuclearLunchDectcted 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    My common sense boards a fucking plane to Nigeria and I come back with: "I don't believe I am lawfully required to answer that question. Am I being detained, or am I free to go?"
    This is the entire problem with all the youtube wannabe stars that walk in the middle of an area fully armed with vests on who refuse to talk to police.
    The correct action is to cooperate with them and then talk to their supervisors or bring a court case later. You don't say stuff that makes the police more nervous about you.
    I'm not going to berate you for being stupid, but there are so many people that do the exact same thing HOPING for a reaction from police officers, thinking that they are correct in the situation (they aren't).
    [–]AllysWorld 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    She's clearly an idiot. Duh, why Don't you bring a firearm to a restaurant, and why DO you talk loudly about it?
    [–]Mr_Civil 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It sounds like you're better off without her. You're from two different worlds and her opinions would make you sick of her in no time.
    [–]marly-g 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It's extremely sad how you describe your gun as a natural accessory #MURICA
    [–]RobZilla10001 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Really glad I'm not in law enforcement.
    "Police, what's your problem?"
    "This guy has a gun in my restaurant!"
    "How do you know this?"
    "His date said so!"
    "Can you see it?"
    "...No?"
    "Yeah...Go ahead and go fuck yourself." Click
    Cue lieutenant clubbing me in the head, telling me I can't do that because PC reasons, get sent to restaurant
    "Sir, can I speak with you for a moment?"
    "What's this about?"
    "A complaint was filed that you may or may not be carrying a concealed weapon. May I see your CCWP and form of ID?"
    Checks ID, CCWP, thanks you for your cooperation
    But that doesn't end up on the front page of Reddit, so you'd never know it happened. In other news, fuck the girl with a shovel, fuck that barback with dump truck.
    [–]PUNCH_EVERY_NAZI 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Why the fuck would you bring a gun to a date/restaurant what is wrong with you
    [–]cheeselife99 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    My local police don't have them. At all.
    Our gun crime rates are close to zero. The criminals don't have them, therefore the police don't need them.
    The 'good guy with a gun' fallacy is laughable. The majority of gun owners in the US have no idea how to safely store or use guns, which explains the huge numbers of Americans who die every year from accidental deployment of weapons, toddlers, firing guns, DOGS accidentally firing guns! It is absolutely ridiculous and the sooner the USA stops its obsession with them the better.
    [–]STUPIDTRIGGER 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Libtards....
    [–]RallyX26 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Fuck people who are so closed-minded and sheltered that they think everyone should walk around unarmed and that the military is just a bunch of jackboot thugs serving a fascist regime.
    I may not carry, but I feel safer knowing that others, who are responsible and educated, do carry. I never served in the military, but I respect those that made that choice. These hippies that think that the whole world can run on happy feelings and good intentions need to be dumped ass-first in the real world.
    [–]DocPT -1 points0 points1 point  (7 children)
    So are there laws prohibiting you from carrying a concealed firearm in a restaurant in your state or did you just get in trouble for letting your common sense float away?
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
    Common sense sailed. It's legal in a place of business unless there are signs posted protesting it, but even then it's not a lawful offense unless the business finds out AND you refuse to leave. Her comment is what scared some high school kid (who may have a completely different perspective on firearms) into informing his manager that someone had a "gun", then that manager called the police. I live in a bigger city and crime is also a thing. Most people in the city are not aware of the firearm regulations here.
    [–]Individdy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Her comment is what scared some high school kid (who may have a completely different perspective on firearms) into informing his manager that someone had a "gun", then that manager called the police.
    Ohhhh. From reading your post it sounded like she secretly went into the bathroom and made up some story about you.
    [–]DocPT 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    I see. Next time just ask to meet at a shooting range and you'll know what you're getting yourself into.
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    Seriously though, this was the best date when the girls were actually into firearms. Discounted ammunition, free targets, and showing off my beautiful date to all my buddies at work. Also, if they didn't have a ton of experience - I was more than happy to oblige with tips and techniques. Only ever had one girl start crying on me - my own mother haha. Bless her little heart. She tried though - I'll give her that.
    [–]Strike_Reyhi 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Classic hillbilly, going on a gunrange date with mom. /s
    [–]Matt463789 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Sounds like you dodged a bullet, with that girl
    [–]PM_Me_Tiger_Pics -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    You fucked up by dating a crazy woman.
    [–]skrimlanka08 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Sounds to me like SHE fucked up! Your good op!
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    What a cunt.
    At least you avoided sticking your dick in that crazy.
    Btw - when a date is obviously heading straight to the shitter, best to just bail asap, even if that means walking over to the bar or front desk and paying your share then walking straight out without saying "bye bye".
    [–]busty_cannibal -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    A guy who brings a gun on a first date is an instant red flag. No woman who has more than 3 braincells or teeth would go out with someone like that. "But it's my security blankie" is a dumbass excuse. On the bright side, you gave a girl a good "worst date ever" story to tell for the rest of her life.
    Also, protip: I've known a few veterans, and some of you don't know shit. Just cause you served doesn't make you an expert. They don't pay you to form a nuanced view on intentional politics, haha; you're there to shut up and follow orders. When someone who is getting a degree in the field she's talking about talks, try listening next time, maybe you'll learn something.
    [–]ayb88 -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
    Interesting story. Sorry it didn't work out but I'm just curious, is one of the reasons people conceal carry every where they go because of paranoia?
    [–]Dexter_McThorpan -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Eh, I carry rope, water, and jumper cables in my car. I almost never need them (or the toilet paper), but if you end up needing them, you want them now. Gun is the same. You know (and hope) that you will never, ever need it, but if you do, you need it right fucking then. It costs you nothing to carry. Kind of like an epipen.
    [–]Amanda_Jenee -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
    Should title this Trump Supporter Goes On a Date With a Liberal: Brings Gun to Restaurant in Case of Grizzlies
    [–]Throwaway8754212 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Plenty of left wing people exercise their constitutional rights to carry a firearm, don't try to turn this into dumb political team bashing.
    [–]Denegroth -5 points-4 points-3 points  (16 children)
    "Proper training and certification"
    "Aloud"
    I feel the first one to be less than convincing after the second one ... But hey typos happen so I'll err on the side of caution and not voice my opinion
    But you might want to correct that before the crazies show up because it says firearm in your title
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (14 children)
    I'm not sure I understand. I'm just trying to communicate that if you receive proper training and certification, you are legally aloud to carry a concealed a firearm within specific bounds of course. What does it sound like to you? Also I'm tired and sick so I could just be completely missing something.
    [–]DPPThrow45 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    "Allowed" is the word you're looking for.
    [–]Denegroth -4 points-3 points-2 points  (12 children)
    Well aloud isn't really a word
    Allowed is how it's spelt
    And given the story revolves mostly around a "concealed weapon" you are sure to attract some gun nuts from both sides
    And of course without any real argument to make they WILL insesantly attack your spelling and grammar so if it was just a typo ide fix it just to avoid the annoying messages flooding the inbox
    [–]AgentBawls 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
    Aloud is a word, it's just not the one OP is looking for.
    [–]laughatbridget 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Aloud is a word meaning "out loud", but you are correct that this isn't the proper usage of the word. And unless you're British or from the 1800s, spelt is a grain or seed or something, and spelled is the word you mean. If you're going to be a grammar Nazi do it well! :)
    Just fucking around on a Friday night, I really don't care.
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Rodger that. Fixing my now. Thank you!
    [–]Denegroth -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    Lol and it's also funny the other two responses to mine were to correct me that fast. Good ole predictable interwebz
    Yea. "To speak aloud said words" ... I too can derp when I should have herped!!!
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    I do enjoy our anonymous revelries! Lol
    [–]ztpurcell 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Lol that's ironic that you can't spell "incessantly"
    [–]Denegroth 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    Oh you don't even know
    My spelling has gotten so terrible even my auto correct can't spell anymore lol
    [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    This one made my laugh, thank you.
    [–]NastyZ28 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    If you want to be a grammar nazi, at least get your shit together.
    Aloud is a word, by the way. (He said her name aloud.)
    And you spelled incessantly incorrectly.
    [–]Denegroth 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You people are the point I was making lol
    It's hilarious!
    If you actually read more than my first comment you would see these are all things I know
    Not a grammar nazi. Was trying to help OP avoid getting off topic with goofballs like you rofl
    [–]Grimesy2 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    "Incessantly" "I'd" lol
    [–]Hrrrrup 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Incessantly.
    [–]WikiWantsYourPics 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    While we're nitpicking:
    there is a vast majority of viewpoints
    What does that even mean? The vast majority of people have a viewpoint? Or it it just /r/iamverysmart for "there are differing opinions"?
    Low and behold
    It's spelled "Lo" in this phrase.
    I waive at the police officers
    You might have waived your rights, but you waved your hand.
    And that's ignoring typos like "cant" and "moths".
    [–]rickenbackerkid -13 points-12 points-11 points  (3 children)
    Your fuck up was nothing to do with the date - it was that you carry a gun daily. America is a fucked up place.
    [–]oO0-__-0Oo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Super - don't bother coming here in that case.
    [–]irl_moderator -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    I don't really disagree with what you're saying, but under a post like this, you're just straight up trolling :) enjoy your down votes
    [–]rickenbackerkid -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Agreed, that was very troll-y. I hadn't had any coffee. Still stand by the statement however.
    [–][deleted]  (3 children)
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      [–]SenpaiSwanky -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
      Downvote me to Oblivion, but that's what you get for that situation. Is your gun still as important as your billfold to this day? Idiot.
      [–]ryvern82 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
      You are an idiot.
      [–]TheAmazingPencil -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      Weird? Maybe. Strange? Hella lot.
      [–]reddit_42 -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
      That's awesome. My wife feels more comfortable when I carry. And I think she's trying to weasel my little G42 away from me... Happy times at my household!
      [–][deleted]  (2 children)
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        [–]nohopenoglory -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        That story was bad ass!
        [–]fudgenelly -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Please don't speak for all types of scams/nonsense on a first date and somehow you had to use this firearm.
        [–]Bodgie7878 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)

        AM I BEING DETAINED?!

        [–]gogodr -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Got friends with the local police now instead of with that crazy tinder gal. It's an overall win if you ask me.
        [–]El_Heisenberg -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        I live in Arizona. Having your pistol on you IS like your wallet.
        [–]agentsblue -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Your only mistake was letting anyone know you were carrying.
        [–]zer1223 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        You shouldn't have apologized to her. She owed you one.
        [–]tkbisign -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        I disagree with your tifu being due to your firearm. Your tifu was taking a royal PITA out. Seems you need to be a bit more selective. I carry and wouldn't have it any other way.
        [–]HORYGUACAMORE -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Thank for your service!
        [–]1_hydro_i -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        As soon as a woman, I would not want the date to continue, or the gun?
        [–]BasedEngineer -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        What a stupid, annoying, put-up bitch.
        [–]namastayherewithme -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Thanks! I'll try it out
        [–]kaenneth -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        I own zero guns, I want to own zero guns, and I still think she's a cunt.
        [–]obzen16 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        You're an idiot.
        [–]CassinisNeith -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
        I'm just amazed and horrified you brought it on a date. Can you imagine if the topic HADN'T come up, and she had found out when alone with you and undressing?? Can you imagine how terrifying that would be for someone a little more centered on the political spectrum, which I assume is left of you?
        That, and discussing politics on a Tinder date put you both more firmly in the wheelhouse of r/etiquette; you both need their help more than anything other subs can offer you.
        [–]monkers6000 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        haha can you imagine? Like, they're making out and getting all hot and heavy and then she rips off his shirt - and there's a gun! The girl instantly realizes the extreme danger she is now in. Should she take the gun and kill him first? Make a run for the exit? I mean, what can you possibly do when the person you're about to f*ck has a weapon on them? Such a crazy scenario - who knows how a sane person might act?!?
        /s
        [–]DomeNation 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        Okay I'm not advocating carrying a firearm, just pointing out that people who do concealed carry do so because they wish to protect themselves if they were to be attacked, mugged, etc.
        Robbers and killers don't decide to not attack you because you are on a date.
        [–]Strike_Reyhi 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        hell, it's a fucking tinder date. no one ever gets assaulted on those. /s
        [–]FriedFace -14 points-13 points-12 points  (5 children)
        Serves you right. Would have been funnier though if they'd actually arrested you.
        [–]45acpthrowaway[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
        I mean in your perspective it would have been more funny, but since I did not break any laws - that would have been a sad representation of infringement on an individuals rights. To me that's not funny. I understand that there are ways in which I could have de-escalated the situation before it got to that point, and I take full responsibility for making those decisions and the consequences the consequences that came with them. I will never apologize for exercising a constitutional right that I believe in. That is just my perspective.
        [–]FriedFace -8 points-7 points-6 points  (2 children)
        It's the US. Respecting individuals' rights isn't exactly your country's strong suit. And I just think you really deserved to learn a lesson there, getting arrested and maybe detained over night or sth might have helped there. Usually TIFUs are unfortunate accidents or misunderstandings that tend to endear me to their perpetrators but your case just seems like one of purposeful idiocy. I don't care about your "constitutional rights" or whatever, carrying a concealed firearm at all times is just a really dumb habit and basically asking for sth like this to happen. I can forgive momentary lapses of judgment, but just flatout not thinking about what you're doing? Not so much.
        [–]Strike_Reyhi 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
        I don't care about your "constitutional rights"
        good thing you aren't an american.
        [–]FriedFace -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        Yes, I'm very glad about that too.
        [–]YodasHutOnDagobah 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Sarcasm or serious?
        [–]shitbirdicus_maximus -11 points-10 points-9 points  (5 children)
        Just call it a fucking gun you dickhead. I wanted to blow my fucking brains out after hearing firearm that many times in a row. Or at least switch it up some ever heard of thesaurus.com?
        [–]Throwaway8754212 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
        Trained professionals don't usually just throw the word "gun" around.
        [–]chilly_durango -11 points-10 points-9 points  (0 children)
        You should probably think harder before you carry your firearm in public. It's not a billfold. If you can forget it's there, it's an even greater danger.
        [–]Cr3s3ndO -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        I heard they need more common sense in Negeria, good on you!
        We need more selfless heroes like you in the world.
        [–]Mr_Witch_Doctor -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        Wow people suck
        [–]saltybrains -14 points-13 points-12 points  (0 children)
        sounds like a know-it-all bitch.
        I don't blame the dude for calling the cops though as it really depends on what part of that conversation he actually heard, also i wouldn't blame (not saying you do! you clearly do not) the cops for their actions either as your responses were a bit escalatory (is that even a word? lol) and if there really was someone dodgy carrying (a wanna be gangster or mafioso or whatever) i'd be glad to see the police take that seriously.
        also loved the underpants retort! lol :)
        [–]csgraber -6 points-5 points-4 points  (2 children)
        TIFU is ever carrying a firearm
        Lock it up
        [–]Throwaway8754212 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        What's the point in having it if it's locked up?
        "HEY, YEAH, HANG ON A MINUTE, DONT SHOOT ME. I NEED TO UNLOCK MY GUN REAL QUICK. YOU'RE GONNA BE REAL SORRY HERE IN A SECOND BOY-O."
        [–]csgraber 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Oh, you must be slow
        That explains it. Anyone who thinks a gun is a device you carry that "protects" you isn't playing with a full deck. I mean there is no way you can slice the numbers to show it improves safety. Just increases your chance of dying.
        [–]Leighroy_1 -10 points-9 points-8 points  (1 child)
        Gun gaylords in the back of their gaylord police car being all "Look at my big weapon" mmm, gaylords.
        [–]Kiidlat -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
        Just curious, what are the reasons for people to carry firearms?
        [–]KarmR 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
        In case someone else is carrying one and looking to hurt people? How is that not obvious
        [–]Throwaway8754212 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        It's amazing how many people dont understand this. You'd think with it being the second amendment people would actually research it a little bit.
        [–]HORYGUACAMORE 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        You should come to chicago!
        [–]buzboy100 -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
        YOU might be the case, and I feel the need to tell police you have it unless you really trust them with that question.
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        "TIFU by using /r/TIFU to brag about what an idiot I am to an audience of circlejerking neckbeards who will be vicariously angry that they don't I didn't get laid."
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