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Great stay ruined by sexual assault. (self.Edinburgh)

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I had a great time in Edinburgh, but the whole memory of the trip was ruined at the end when I was "randomly" selected to go through the body scanner and a pat down. I don't care how commonplace this is; it's sexual assault and it's a serious violation of human rights.

When I left for Edinburgh I was not treated like this by the airport security at my local EU airport. There is no valid excuse for such a violation.

Now, whenever I remember Edinburgh, I remember the rage and impotence of having to go through that. This madness needs to stop.

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[–]beambeam1 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I can't help but feel that your diatribe of security procedures commonplace at all major airports trivialises sexual assault a little.

You are entitled to refuse the search, you know? Might not get to board as a result mind but you had that right to refusal for sure and you must remember that the airport has the duty and the right to search passengers and their items in order to protect passengers, nations and so on.

The staff and methods employed at EDI will have been carefully considered and appropriately trained before you were searched.

Body scanner is just that, no one is getting their kicks to a fuzzy image of your body shape that at most displays buckles, buttons and forgotten change.

Pat down is never that intrusive in my opinion but it is necessary and it is far from sexy for the person carrying it out too as they soon realise that a lot of people at close quarters are fucking honking.

Now, whenever I remember Edinburgh, I remember the rage and impotence of having to go through that. This madness needs to stop.

Quite. Get over yourself.

[–]volkeren 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I have been selected and had this done at a couple airports, in completely different countries. This is procedure, and in no way should it be classed as sexual assault. Unless they touched you somewhere else that wasn't appropriate, then that is just protocol. And this is definitely not something that should affect your view of Edinburgh as a whole. But if you think they did do something that they shouldn't have, you should report it.

[–]the_c00ler_king 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I was "randomly" selected to go through the body scanner and a pat down. I don't care how commonplace this is; it's sexual assault and it's a serious violation of human rights.

No. No it's not you plum. On every flight I have been on, probably across the past 3 years at least, when people go through security a few are randomly selected to go through the body scanner. How on earth you can equate a "pat down" to sexual assault I have no clue and you really belittle those who have been genuinely been through a horrific assault.

Please take your rage and impotence and stay away.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So I guess slapping a person cannot be considered assault because other people have been beaten to within an inch of their lives, right?

Maybe you should educate yourself on what a fallacy of relative privation is. Maybe then we can have a proper debate about this.

[–]the_c00ler_king 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What? You were the one that equated being patted down to being sexually assaulted.

Maybe you should educate yourself on the definition of sexual assault, then cross reference that against commonplace security measures in airports and get back to us.

[–]Andrewescocia 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

but slapping someone and beating someone to a inch of their lives is quiet different, and would be dealt with by the courts differently. just like someone getting sexually assaulted and what happened to you is also quiet different.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course, but the difference would be quantitative; not qualitative. That is to say, both would be treated as offenses.

As it stands right now, protocolary sexual assault committed in the name of security by airport security personnel is not treated as an offense.

[–]WG47 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Speak to a lawyer.

Or stop being a shit troll.

Either way, fuck off.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you were projecting a little bit there, buddy.

[–]Bawbaggio 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Absolute shite patter there "buddy"

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for your contribution.

[–]adamhstevens 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Expected a Hive story.

[–]glenrothes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best comment in this thread.

[–]duncan_biscuits 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (33子コメント)

When the complaint is posted on Reddit instead of to police or other official channels - that's when ye ken it's legit.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (32子コメント)

I want to warn other people who are thinking about visiting Edinburgh to stay well away from the airport unless they are ok with being groped.

Also, posting on reddit and complaining to the police are not mutually exclusive.

[–]duncan_biscuits 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good plan. If you don't want someone to perform a physical security search on your body, don't voluntarily put yourself in a position where you know you will be subjected to one.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did not know this would happen. I obviously wouldn't have flown to Edinburgh had I known. Many passengers passed through without going through the body scanner nor being pat-down and at no point previous to the security check itself was I warned I would be subject to such invasive procedures.

[–]Katabolize 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Are you aware that they do these literally everywhere? Where are you from that they don't do this? It's for safety, for everyone. So unless you would like hi-jackers on your plane, it's going to happen.

I'm from Canada (and a female). I'm selected for pat downs probably a good 90% of the time that I travel. And that's just travelling within Canada! Unless they are actively groping around your bits for more than 5-10 seconds, it wasn't an assault, it was just a pat down.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Sweetie, when a man grabs your genitals without your consent it becomes sexual assault the moment he touches you, not 5 seconds after.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You clearly know nothing about airport security. Almost every airport does this, and they also have men do men, females do females for these pat downs at most airports including Edinburgh.

Nice avoiding the question of where you come from because I can guarantee you your country does it too.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I already said I come from an EU country.

Everyone doing something does not mean it's right. The madness of crowds is a very real phenomena.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Literally all EU countries do it. So why is Scotland somehow shitter than the rest? Do you also suggest people don't come to your country as well?

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not all airports have body scanners and not all airports employ such invasive pat-downs as a regular procedure.

Furthermore, the pat-down was conducted without explanation or consideration.

But whether or not it happens somewhere else is besides the point. This happened to me in Edinburgh and it shouldn't have. It's no way to treat your guests.

[–]Katabolize 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

but why did you then explicitly call out Edinburgh?

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because this happened to me while in Edinburgh and It shouldn't have.

Whether or not it happens somewhere else is besides the point. You do not justify a wrong by saying a similar wrong happens somewhere else.

[–]Katabolize 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (18子コメント)

If you think calling me sweetie will demoralize me or make your argument stronger in any way, you are sorely mistaken.

I am sorry that you feel so insecure that you have to use condescending language towards others. I am a grown adult. I will not stoop to that level.

I also would still like to know where you're from that they don't have these procedures. Thanks, and have a great day!

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I say the same thing about you invalidating my experience.

Most people will freeze while being sexually assaulted and it is part of the reason this madness has gone so far. This does not make them weak. Stop being such a horrible person.

PS: you should not assume people's gender like that.

[–]Katabolize 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I apologize for assuming your gender - sincerely. I had assumed you were a female when you mentioned them lifting your top.

And when you mentioned you were not allowed to choose the gender of the person doing the pat down, but explicitly stated it was a "he" that was doing the pat down. Although I have not heard of someone asking to have someone of the opposite gender do the pat down, it could be valid, if that makes you more comfortable I suppose (although I think they legally have to have someone of the same gender in the room as well).

I am not invalidating your experience - I am trying to explain that pat downs are very commonplace and very important procedures. They are meant to protect our citizens and our countries. It is unlikely they meant for you to feel this way. If you feel your rights have been violated, please report it to the authorities immediately.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Visiting Edinburgh should not entail sexual assault. I don't care how much your laws legalize it or how commonplace it is; it is wrong.

You do not justify the end of perceived safety with the means of violating the basic human right to dignity.

[–]Katabolize 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I am sure the authorities will be able to help you with this issue and can help you with your police report - there are cameras everywhere in airports and they should have footage of the event. They take this sort of thing very seriously.

Here's hoping you never have to face the type of people who made these type of security measures necessary.

Cheers.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

The law allows them to sexually assault people. This is not something the police can change. The only thing I can complain to the police about is the inconsiderate treatment I received.

[–]ChunderSThompson 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sweetie

What a patronising cunt

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't expect me to be polite to someone that is rude to me.

[–]FL630 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Sexual assault? Funny. I'm a pilot who works from Edinburgh airport and I must be assaulted on a daily basis, often twice daily as I'm always setting off the buzzers. Perks of the job obviously.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (24子コメント)

It's about consent. I struggle to believe you are 100% ok being subjected to this knowing that failure to comply will mean the loss of your job and quite possibly your career.

Needless to say, it's also quite futile given that you're piloting the plane.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (12子コメント)

And you have the right to refuse the pat down, just as they as a private company have the right to refuse your service.

Or are you into forcing people to do things against their will?

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's a government-run entity. Refusing to cooperate means a considerable restriction of your freedom (jail, detention, etc). You are not free to refuse the pat down, specially when you are in a foreign country.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Refusing a pat down does not put you in jail, it means you can't fly. Believe it or not there are multiple ways to get from Edinburgh to the outside world.

[–]Squeezycakes17 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i go by horseback nowadays...

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you refuse a pat down then the police has reasonable suspicion that you are hiding something and they will detain you, question you, and most likely strip-search you.

Don't kid yourself, you have no ability to consent to it.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

police =/= airport security.

And no none of that is true, you claim to know sooo much about policing practices, yet don't know the basics of body scanners and pat downs?

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I informed myself after the fact. I would have refused the pat down had I known it was going to be so invasive, even without being aware of the implications of refusing such pat-down.

Police work with airport security. If airport security personnel are suspicious of you, they can call the police which is not far away.

[–]FL630 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The airport is not a government run organisation, nor is the airport security, it's all privately owned.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I did not know that. Either way, refusing to cooperate can have serious consequences. The police invariably gets involved when someone refuses to go through these invasive procedures.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Only if those people then make a scene and refuse to leave the premises.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you implying that a terrorist can conceal a bomb in his shoes and, if he is asked to remove his shoes, refuse and leave?

Kinda makes the whole "random selection" pointless, don't you think?

[–]SharpshooterHIT 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right so you were a terrorist with a bomb on you?

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I give up with you, SharpshooterHIT.

[–]FL630 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

You can indeed say no and you will politely be asked to turn around and leave the airport, with zero chance of getting on that aircraft. That is quite within your rights, just as much as it is within the airports and ultimately my rights (if I were piloting said aircraft) to refuse you to board the aircraft.

It's part and parcel of modern air transport, it is not fun for me to be standing in full uniform with someone having a good cup, but it's a given. The security staff are not doing it for fun, it's their job, and if something gets let though then who's head does it fall on? Theirs.

They also do have random searches, which are nothing more than a random number of people per hour which get checked for no reason. If that's the case you go in the x-ray machine, which tells the searcher roughly where the suspect item is (usually for me it's my name badge!) and then they have a good check.

Like it or not if you want to fly then prepare yourself to be searched. If you choose to decline then there is always the option of a bus/train/boat which are considerably less touchy feely.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The backscatter x-ray machines have been banned in the EU since 2012. I'm not sure you're up to date on the procedures.

There is a very obvious alternative which is letting the airlines do their own security checks; in the same way they do their own aircraft pre-flight checks.

There is another option you are not considering: make it change.

[–]FL630 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That simply would not work. As for comparing aircraft pre-flight checks, it's far easier to check a few switches compared to potentially hundreds of people and their belongings. With all due respect your nativity in this matter is outstanding.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

nativity

I think you mean naivety.

Well, I guess that's relative to how much you normalize your cynicism.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Right so not only are you accusing Edinburgh airport security of publicly sexually assaulting you, in front of numerous cameras, and many other passengers you're also accusing the airport of going against EU regulations (believe it or not the UK is still part of the EU).

Sounds like you have a very easy court case to win.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Judges apply the law; they cannot change the law. Such sexual assault has been made legal. My only viable recourse has to do with the inconsiderate treatment.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If what you're saying is that they reached their hands down your underpants in public. No that is not within their legal right. You also are accusing Edinburgh airport of using illegal back scatter x-ray machines.

Move of these things are illegal, and both would be easy to win cases considering they are A) illegal, and B) airports have probably the most amount of surveillance you can get, so there is plenty of evidence.

So either you're A) full of shit or B) we're going to see you win one of the easiest legal cases ever

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have not accused Edinburgh Airport of using backscatter x-ray machines. In fact, I have previously mentioned that they have been banned since 2012. You need to better your reading comprehension.

Airport security is permitted to run two fingers around the inside of your pants and underpants. That is inside the underpants as these garments start at their waistband.

[–]the_c00ler_king 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Airport security is permitted to run two fingers around the inside of your pants and underpants. That is inside the underpants as these garments start at their waistband.

So what are you moaning about? First of all in your OP it was a pat down which you comprehended (seemingly one of the first people ever) as sexual assault. Now you are agreeing that indeed, airport security can pat you down.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said that what they did was illegal or against protocol, simply that it is sexual assault.

You see, something being legal does not mean it's right. Abhorrent practices have been legalized in the past in the name of national security and this is no exception.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The backscatter x-ray machines have been banned in the EU since 2012. I'm not sure you're up to date on the procedures.

So either you A) brought this up for absolutely zero reason, or B) it was what you were arguing.

[–]TheJPDH 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was a good laugh.

[–]greyjackal 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What a load of cobblers. Have a word with yourself, or just drive/swim everywhere instead.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You are an insensitive coward.

[–]greyjackal 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Given you didn't mention any rebuttal by yourself during said "sexual assault", that's fucking rich.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Maybe you should educate yourself on why victims of sexual assault freeze.

[–]greyjackal 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh do go away.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll take that as you admitting that you were wrong.

[–]gl0betrekker 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This feels like a troll. It's a troll, right?

No one likes getting felt up at security but it's basically a part of travel now, especially for women. Underwires in bras always seem to set off the metal detectors so it has to be searched.

I travel quite a bit and I've had it all over the EU and US. My worst experience was in Amsterdam where not only did every inch of my breasts get patted down, but they stuck their hands down my jeans to my hips and bum. Absolutely horrifying to have that done in a public place but also absolutely not sexual assault and in no way the city of Amsterdam's fault.

If you find being patted down over your clothes that traumatic you can simply stop flying and take the train.

[–]SharpshooterHIT 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That last bit does not seem normal for an air plane security check

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are being a troll by invalidating my experience. If you don't have valid counter-arguments, please refrain from insulting me.

It's amazing how you are going against me when the same thing happened to you and you even say that it traumatized you and horrified you.

Traumatize is a stronger word than terrorize; and horrorize is a synonym of terrorize. Do you prefer horrorizing traumatizers to terrorists? Let's go one step further: why chose when every airline could have their own security procedures?

[–]Squeezycakes17 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (64子コメント)

hmm you should have had the option of a pat-down by someone of the same gender? if this was not the case you might have grounds for a complaint

it's not nice, and i wouldn't put it past airport staff anywhere in the world to take the chance to be a wee perv and have a feel if they think they can get away with it

it happens everywhere sadly, and minorities and females are always at higher risk of 'random' selection

[–]CD17 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (41子コメント)

In what way are minorities and females at higher risk of random selection? A pat down only happens if the scanner picks up on something. Do you think the scanner has built-in racism and sexism?

[–]Squeezycakes17 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (38子コメント)

i wonder if we're getting confused here, i'm talking about the full-body enclosed scanning machines that are off to one-side, which they use on 'random' people, not the bogstandard metal detectors

[–]hutchero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Got some stats to back up your use of quotes around random?

[–]Squeezycakes17 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

sure, and eh, what journal are we publishing our academic paper in? i'm not sharing credit :P

[–]Donaldbeag 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the appropriate response.

[–]hutchero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I reckon the journal of airport gropery should take it

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (31子コメント)

Wear a turban next time you go through security. Heck, simply dying your hair a darker color will do it.

[–]hutchero 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (30子コメント)

The plural of anecdote is not data

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Then get a third party to report the findings.

[–]hutchero 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (28子コメント)

You're the one making assertions, I just asked for evidence to support them.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Here is your evidence:

-Humans are racist by nature: http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/jocn_a_01056?journalCode=jocn

-Humans select who to screen.

-Most of Edinburgh Airport's security staff are white.

Thus screening is racist.

[–]hutchero 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Humans carry a range of conscious and unconscious biases.

Not every human acts on these.

By your standard any choice you make involving another person is racist, you're being racist towards me right now you big racist you.

You have a hypothesis, not evidence.

Bring evidence that screening at Edinburgh airport is racist and I'll agree with you.

I got stopped for extra screening on both flights I took this week.

Ginger hair in the UK has a stigma attached

I was selected by people, therefore screening is gingerist

[–]Andrewescocia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time." Anita Sarkeesian

[–]SharpshooterHIT 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

-Humans are racist by nature: http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/jocn_a_01056?journalCode=jocn

-Humans select who to vote for in Edinburgh

-Most of Edinburgh is white

Thus voting is racist.

[–]blackbat24 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

the only times I've seen people at EDI being put into the full body scanners is when the metal detector goes off.

happened to me once because of some metal buttons on my shorts' pockets...

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to the person at the airport, "they go off at random".

[–]ribenarockstar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Women's clothing and hair tends to set the scanners off. It's a thing, to do with the amount of material in a small space. Gathers, ponytails, tie belts, under wires

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are "randomly" selected to go through the body scanner, which is as accurate as a carnival gun.

[–]Recklesslettuce[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I was not given the chance to choose the gender of the officer who was going to do the pat-down nor was the procedure explained to me. I also was not given the option of going into a private room, which I would've prefered given that they lifted my top. He basically told me to put my arms up and immediately started to feel me over, including the inside of my underwear. The procedure was completely devoid of consideration.

[–]Squeezycakes17 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (20子コメント)

He basically told me to put my arms up and immediately started to feel me over, including the inside of my underwear

eh, alarm bells!

[–]SharpshooterHIT 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Ya I don't believe this for a millisecond

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    [–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe in Russia.

    [–]Squeezycakes17 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    but what if the dude did cop a good feel under her bra? are you guys saying this never happens to women? or that if it does happen it's 'not assault assault'? or that people in uniform are 100% professional and trustworthy? eh?

    i'm a guy and yes i think OP sounds a bit too outraged on here but i have to say i'm surprised by the amount of vitriol being aimed at this girl...surely unwanted sexual touching is a thing that happens to women every day?

    [–]volkeren 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It is. I'm not the only other female who has said something here. But a lot of what she is saying is just not true. Lots of airports do these screenings and a pat down in normal procedure. She is not stating facts in this thread, let along being an adult about discussing what happened. But, If something happened that wasn't appropriate, that needs to be discussed with the proper authorities and not on this sub.

    [–]Katabolize 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    btw OP happens to be a male. I checked his page to be sure.

    [–]Katabolize 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It does happen, but it's not restricted to Edinburgh, like OP is weirdly suggesting. It's also uncommon, especially in an airport in public

    [–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It happened in Edinburgh, that's why I posted it here (a sub for all things Edinburgh).

    [–]SharpshooterHIT 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Coping a feel under her bra is very different to shoving ones hands down OP's underwear, which means underpants because OP is a male.

    [–]Katabolize -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Why would you say they are very different? One is copping a feel up top, and the other is copping a feel down below. So what makes one worse than the other?

    [–]SharpshooterHIT 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    can you honestly not see the difference between grabbing breasts and genitals?

    [–]Katabolize 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Sounds like you are a male. I'd rather not have EITHER grabbed, thank you very much. Breasts ARE considered genitals - look it up. A sexual assault is a sexual assault. One is not "better" or more justified than another. So you think it's okay to go around grabbing breasts?

    [–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why not?

    [–]Recklesslettuce[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's sad that this is most likely sarcasm.

    [–]Squeezycakes17 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    no not sarcasm

    [–]Recklesslettuce[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hard to tell given the attitude of most people on this thread.

    [–]Squeezycakes17 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    yes fair enough, i just commented on that

    [–]Recklesslettuce[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for supporting me.