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Black Lives Matter Toronto Co-Founder Needs To Resign (huffingtonpost.ca)

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[–]woodenboatguy 862 ポイント863 ポイント  (315子コメント)

When is this stuff going to be called hate speech, formally?

[–]djguerito 722 ポイント723 ポイント  (192子コメント)

When it's against white people? Probably never?

[–]Mypandasoverhere 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (61子コメント)

BLM member here. It is hate speech. She DOESN'T speaks for all of us. That woman is fucking crazy and should step down for her position.

[–]TheFluxIsThisAlberta 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Out of curiosity, are you a member of BLM Toronto, some other chapter, or are you a member in the "royal" sense in that you stand with their general goals and support them where you can?

I ask because BLM Toronto seems on-board with her lunacy (or at least nobody can be bothered to stand up to her), and no other organized BLM group has stepped forward to denounce her.

[–]Mypandasoverhere 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Edmonton chapter. I work in the oil field so I can't make it all the time (working in camp) I support problems the movement brings to light. It's hard to talk about these things. White people clench when this sudject arises in fear of being called racist. This kind of protest BLMTO put on just reasures this feeling.Some BLM chapters take extremes to get the message out. This is causing a backlash against the whole organization. BLM is a very fluid movement with no central power or leader. Each chapter runs itself really. The support each other, this is mostly due to IMO the fact minorities are treated differently in different areas, due to what ever circumstances there are in that location.

I think we do need to have a central counsel. I don't want a single leader as more minds working at different angles seems more productive in the end. This way we could put out official statements on protests and leaders like this. Most logical people would assume, these kinds of action as a detriment to the cause.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/

Check the link out for some information on the movement.

[–]TheFluxIsThisAlberta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the detailed answer. I genuinely appreciate it.

[–]LuntiXAlberta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Eyy Edmonton, I live in Edmonton. I like how the Edmonton chapter seems to be chill and doesn't stir shit up (from what I've seen).

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    [–]mongo5mash 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Unfortunately, so long as she speaks for your group, and continues to go unopposed, that's what the world is going to think of when they hear BLM.

    [–]Minobull 173 ポイント174 ポイント  (26子コメント)

    Except as a founder and leader, she literally does speak for you... That's what being a leader means. It's up to you to change that if you're displeased with your leadership.

    [–]Barnsley_Pal 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (23子コメント)

    That's like saying Trump speaks for all Americans.

    [–]Canadiangit 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We-ell, he does. Kind of.

    I know, I know, lack of a majority vote and whatnot, but the person American selects to lead their country certainly influences how the rest of the world views them, and often through the things they say. So, even if Americans might (for some reason) not precisely want Trump to speak for them - he is, to a degree. Same thing here.

    [–]blairco 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Trump still speaks on America's behalf. Whether or not the entire nation agrees is irrelevant. What matters is station.

    [–]whaleonstiltzAlberta [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Not all Americans voted Trump, all BLM members made the decision to join. You're making a false equivalency.

    [–]Dollface_KillahOntario 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Wait, no. American nationals were moslty born in to the country where he got elected. BLMTO members willingly joined with this chick.

    [–]Optimmax 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No it' not. Choosing to be a member of a group is not like being an American. You are American, it's not like following BLM where you can opt in or out.

    [–]nfurtado77British Columbia 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Policy wise he does.

    [–]MolotovCoffee 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's probably more like saying Trump speaks for the Republican party.

    [–]PsyentificBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    That's like saying Trump speaks for all Americans.

    Well, uh, hate to break it to ya, but, uh

    He does.

    [–]whaleonstiltzAlberta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    To add to my last comment, your line of thinking is like saying alt-righter's aren't white nationalists because Richard Spencer doesn't speak for all of them.

    [–]CensorshipprevailsAlberta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    As president, he literally does friend.

    [–]Redditwordpolice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No, it's like saying he speaks for all who voted for him.

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      [–]woodenboatguy 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I applaud you. This will only come from within. The effort is quickly invalidating itself with this kind of stuff.

      [–]Marcus_Aurelius1 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Good job making a big fucking scene at the gay pride parade and making the police leave it. Great job, making the community a much better place.

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        [–]Dan4t 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Never, because universities have redefined racism as only applying to systematic racism. Since blacks are a minority and don't have the most power, it's impossible for them to be racist.

        [–]quartacus 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        It's such a stupid argument too. Basically they are saying that POC are disenfranchised, so they cannot be racist, but they are prejudiced based on race, since they make racist statements. Also, they wish to eliminate systematic racism, and empower themselves. So they are not racist, but they want to be. What a great, sensible argument.

        [–]kidawesome 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It also misses many things which could be considered institutionalized and or systematic. It really only looks at ones that involve imbalance of overall demographics (which seems arbitrary).

        A better word for it is macroracism. Let's face it, there is a difference when it comes down to the street vs local to federal level government... Why do we bother trying to group it all together?

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            [–]themolestedsliver [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Never. This is the reason i think Black lives matters needs to be organized more as a movement because racists like this ruin everything they try to support.

            I cannot support black lives matter when it is so divided like this, when clear cut racists who want some form of white genocide or think about murder because of the color of my skin run large chapters that ruins any cause they will try to promote.

            [–]skywreckdemonQuébec 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Unfortunately, probably never, since it's a racial minority group saying it.

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              [–]xhiggy 865 ポイント866 ポイント  (120子コメント)

              They're going to stage a violent-ish event at pride, police will have to decide whether or not to intervene, BLM will use the aftermath as a justification that cops are oppressive. Just you wait, heard it here first.

              edit: If you care about racial issues, but are kind of skeptical of what BLM is doing, please check out the other charities funded by their parent organization/large group of money: found here - http://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/black_led_racial_justice_organizations

              [–]IcicleTrepan 317 ポイント318 ポイント  (89子コメント)

              I'm waiting for Trudeau to show up at this year's parade and see if they'll shut the parade down and demand he leaves because they believe he is a white supremacist.

              [–]Iusedtobeonimgur 309 ポイント310 ポイント  (39子コメント)

              Of all the shit people give to Trudeau, this is the funniest one. He's been, almost annoyingly so, too inclusive.

              [–]Buscat 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's the ultimate signal of revolutionary zeal to turn on those who are on your side, but leave themselves open to accusations of insufficient fervor.

              You saw it in the aftermath of the French revolution, the socialist/communist revolutions, and every far-left group since. Revolutionary mentality has a momentum and you always want to be at the cutting edge lest you find yourself cut by it.

              This is why these movements always get out of hand.

              [–]came_a_box 164 ポイント165 ポイント  (37子コメント)

              BLM is a joke. Audacity to even say something like that. The man is as left as it gets

              [–]16yqt765a 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Telling that the crowd initially cheered for him until she stopped them.

              [–]ElvisGretzky 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              He's just very inclusive, has stacked his cabinet with a diverse range of ethnicities, spoken on behalf of, and campaigned in favor of taking in refugees from the middle east, has, in fact, never said or done anything to even suggest that he's racist, all just to hide that he's a white supremacist!

              [–]floatablepieNova Scotia 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              We bring them in. Make them feel safe, welcome. Give them chances at prestigious positions. Repeatedly speak about inclusiveness. Then BAM! We make our move!

              [–]fungah 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Shhhhh don't tell them.

              [–]Alarid 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              doesn't hold the door open for a minority

              "Oh god, its starting!"

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                [–]Redriversandwich 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yes and also telling that she attracts hens and not much else

                [–]angelcake 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                I think BLM Toronto is especially a joke, they're acting like they have all suffered the horrors of racism in the southern US. I'm not saying that for a moment that there are not issues with racism in Canada, but these girls - I don't normally use "girl" to describe an adult woman but when you listen to them talk they are immature, spoiled young women who are completely out of touch with reality. Pride needs to stand up to them and make it very clear that if they're going to be disruptive they are not welcome. I would also suggest the Toronto police service put all non-white police officers on duty for the parade. Make sure every police face is black or brown or yellow or purple or whatever, anything other than white. It's going to be damn hard to call them out for racism if they're being dragged away by a black cop they just spat on.

                [–]gustaveIebon 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Make sure every police face is black or brown or yellow or purple or whatever, anything other than white

                That seems like it would set a poor precedent, akin to giving into a child's unreasonable demands. It may keep them quiet right then, but long-term you've shown weakness and submissiveness.

                [–]BulletBilllLest We Forget 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Not to mention any black or brown police officer they just call uncle toms, race traitors or some such.

                [–]trancematik [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                For serious. It's truly saddening that they get more racism then their white counterparts. Example: The toronto ex-garbageman parking ticket video (6 mins in)

                [–]angelcake 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I absolutely agree it should not be something that even enters our minds but we all know that if these folks interfere with pride and get dragged off by white cops they're going to be screaming and bitching about racism and this would cut that off at the knees.

                I don't think it shows submissiveness in the least. I think it what it will show them is they aren't going to get any different or special treatment from black cops when they break the law. So now they have to decide if they hate male cops, female cops, whatever colour cops, or if they simply want to intentionally create a situation where they can scream racism. I suspect that is their intent in this, these girls are out for attention, they're not out to change lives. If they were they would be working in the community instead of disrupting something that the LGBT community has worked on for decades.

                [–]black_cat_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                but these girls - I don't normally use "girl" to describe an adult woman but when you listen to them talk they are immature, spoiled young women who are completely out of touch with reality.

                Reminds me of the two BLM "protesters" who interrupted Bernie's rally in Seattle. Despite their unbelievable rudeness, he gave them the benefit of the doubt and tried to give then a real opportunity to say something meaningful, and they absolutely blew it.

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                  [–]UnionistQuébec 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  as left as it gets? He's not even a socialist.

                  [–]COW_BALLS 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Yeah but no one is ever "really" a socialist. At least that's what I'm told whenever "socialism" doesn't work in a specific country.

                  [–]atheistman69Alberta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Socialism is the workers owning the means of production. If a politician does not advocate for that, they are not socialist. True socialism has been achieved, it doesnt last long and usually falls to revisionism. Communism is the one that has never been tried, as communism is a moneyless, classless stateless society, which has not existed since humanity was primitive

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                    [–]lynnangel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    What? If you were American I'd be more forgiving of you thinking he's "as left as it gets", but we have the NDP and the Green Party.

                    If you think he's super duper left then you're probably a conservative at heart.

                    [–]giggleswhenchoked 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Sorry, but he's to the right of election reform.

                    [–]gatzNewfoundland and Labrador 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    He's really nowhere close to 'as left as it gets though'.

                    [–]RebzoQuébec [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Trudeau's not left he's extreme center.

                    [–]NazoropazBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    The man's a bourgeoisie centrist, let's not dilute the meaning of what being politically left really is.

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                      [–]ThusShatZarathustra 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Oh man my schadenfreude would be off of the charts.

                      [–]javedmuhammed 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                      because they believe he is a white supremacist.

                      The fuck???

                      [–]IcicleTrepan 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Yep.. It's ridiculous but it's true.

                      https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/black-lives-matter-toronto-called-justin-trudeau-a-white-supremacist-terrorist

                      [–]tmaffin 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Kudos to Vice for even trying to get a comment from the PMO: "VICE has reached out to the Prime Minister's Office but has not yet heard back."

                      Voicemail: "Hi. Uh, this is Dave from Vice? Yeah, so, um, any truth to the claim that the Prime Minister is a white supremacist terrorist? No? Okay, thanks so much."

                      I mean, I get that it's good journalistic ethics to always reach out to the other side for comment. But, well...

                      [–]stevrockAlberta [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                      All that stammering, i thought trudeau's call went to voicemail.

                      [–]ManofManyTalentzCanada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      Initial Trudeau supporter here (voting reform turned) - I can't believe how bad of a stammerer he is, and that someone doesn't tell him.

                      [–]CGNer 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I finally found something I dislike more than Trudeau!!!

                      [–]dudehere976 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      And get this- it's someone who hates Trudeau.

                      [–]rabbitpantherhybrid 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Read the article.

                      [–]Mimical 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Headline: White supremacist shows up and supports various parades across Canada.

                      [–]rabbitpantherhybrid 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      No that article hasn't come out yet.

                      [–]Sshadowban 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Next day's headline: Canada heads towards full Aryanism - Cvil war imminent!

                      [–]NpNpTTYL 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=d-4pe-sSp2U

                      [–]Grizz709Newfoundland and Labrador 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      See this is where 'ridiculous' train begins. Personally, I hope the whole organization drops off the planet. Throwing around judgments of character because they don't get their way, and being completely resistant to compromise or able to see things from another point of view.

                      They do nothing but hurt themselves and their cause on a regular basis. Most everything they've done is label people as oppressors when they've done nothing wrong, and try and turn everyone that doesn't agree with them into a villain.

                      [–]gellis12British Columbia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      He's white and a man, and therefore is literally Hitler.

                      [–]420weedscopesBritish Columbia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      He's like the farthest thing from that. I think he's selling out whites and certainly is making it worse for us.

                      [–]javedmuhammed 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yeah he is being as nice as he can. I met him at the mosque 2 years ago and shook hands. Was cool.

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                        [–]Dumebuggy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Remindme! July 1 2017

                        [–]caretotry_theseagainManitoba 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                        Posting a reply to a comment that was actually made several months from now

                        [–]Gagewhylds 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Time machine eh? Take me with you?

                        [–]caretotry_theseagainManitoba 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Sorry, going back to the time of the Two Canadas, can only drop you off at the Lower one. Maybe poutine hasn't been invented yet and you can make it a thing?

                        Hang on, smoke's, is that you?

                        [–]Gagewhylds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        That'll do. I'll bring my beaver club.

                        [–]SzwedoLest We Forget 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Upvoting said comment

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                          [–]acdc51502112 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          !Remindme July 2, 2017 "BLM and police at pride?"

                          [–]Armadillocum [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                          Can someone explain why BLM has inserted itself into Toronto pride? I get that they protested and were allowed in but why do they want to be part of it?

                          [–]kane4life4ever 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Police should enforce the law. Like they are in DC from the inauguration riots. 200+ charged, facing 25k fine and potential 10 yr sentence.

                          [–]zzptichka 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          They'll probably label Pride organizers as "white supremacy terrorists" before that and won't attend at all.

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                            [–]sherikanman 202 ポイント203 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            BLM derailing pride is the shittiest thing the group could do.

                            Their leader is a racist, misandristic woman who's intentions only lie in causing pain.

                            Pride is already inter-sectional. BLM Toronto is not. They BLOCKED THE PARADE. Was that an act of protest? Protesting pride? Disgusting.

                            [–]dsac 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Pride is already inter-sectional. BLM Toronto is not. They BLOCKED THE PARADE

                            I guess they figured sitting in the middle of where two streets meet would make them intersectional

                            [–]antwanrockamora 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            But can't you see how oppressed they are, sitting on the road browsing their iPhones?

                            [–]Ninja_Arena [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                            Yeah, I got banned from r/socialism for a post about BLM and warning about the stuff they are doing and where t would lead.

                            I'd be more annoyed about getting banned if it weren't for some of the r/socialism people calling each other comrade. Don't think emating the Russian from of communism is a good idea, mainly the genocide part greater than Hitler.......

                            Here's what got me banned 10 months ago:.

                            "I just don't want black lives matter in Canada. The native situation is huge and the black lives matter got a huge wakeup call when that native suicide story got released about the same time as all those stories were being circulated about one of its members followed by their cries of harrasment and persecution. Now as a defensive mechanism, they are trying to latch onto this issue so they can maintain their sense of self righteousness. On the surface, it sounds good but I would rather they rename/disband their group and involve native members. Native lives matter, Vietnamese lives matter, brown people lives matter, Jamaican lives matter. Any of those but black lives matter in Canada, it is not the main or worst issue as far as police discrimination goes or casual racism. They (the police) tend to target neighbourhoods and certain ethnic, cultural groups over skin colour. Kinda like the Irish back in the day or Chinese vs Japanese in some areas".

                            [–]schrodingerkarmacat [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                            I strongly believe socialism is the ideology we should be striving for, but I often do not see eye-to-eye with people on that sub.

                            [–]Dollface_KillahOntario [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                            People with reasonable ideas about governance and social issues don't hide in echo chambers. All niche political subs are cancerous in my experience.

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                              [–]primordialbeing 444 ポイント445 ポイント  (98子コメント)

                              Black Lives Matter Toronto needs to die as a "movement".

                              [–]renegadecanuck 153 ポイント154 ポイント  (38子コメント)

                              BLM in general, I don't really have much of an issue with. There are a few tactics that I'm not sure I agree with, or think are too effective, but I can accept that as a white guy not living in the US, my perspective is going to be different.

                              BLM Toronto, however, is just terrible. It's like they watched some of the bad shit that happened in the States, and rather than protest in support of black Americans, decided that Canada was just as bad, even without any objective proof. I can't think of any Philano Castille type incidents in Canada, and yet I'm supposed to believe that the Toronto police service has the same level of systemic racism as American police forces?

                              Don't get me wrong, there are absolutely issues with racism in Canada, but it's ridiculous to pretend that black Canadians are being murdered by the police en masse.

                              [–]myawesomeaccount 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              There's far more racism in Canada against native population than the black population. Black Canadians have had voting rights far longer in this country than natives.

                              [–]itchyscratchy4545 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              All you have to do is look at the comments on any story that features a Native person and you'll see how "polite and nice and accepting" Canadians really feel about the First Nations people of this country.

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                                [–]IUsedToBeGoodAtThis 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                It's ridiculous to claim black Americans are being murdered by the police end masse, as well.

                                It is all based on a warped perception. They list assholes who had guns OUT along side of guys like Oscar Grant.

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                                  [–]RogueIslesRefugeeBritish Columbia 183 ポイント184 ポイント  (54子コメント)

                                  No fucking kidding. Standing up for racial equality is commendable, but these people are as racist as organizations like the KKK, or modern Neo-Nazis. There are good ways and bad ways of going about this sort of thing, and BLMTO (and in my opinion BLM in general) are going about it in pretty much the worst possible ways.

                                  [–]sidoZe 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (50子コメント)

                                  Well, I think the leader is racist, not the movement itself, which is why she has got to go

                                  [–]primordialbeing 155 ポイント156 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                  The movement was spurred into existence over issues like the Toronto police shooting a man armed with a hammer, who was attempting to attack the officers trying to arrest him. The "movement" called it targeted racism just because the man happened to be black. I've seen in their protests they have signs that say "A hammer is not a gun". The movement as a whole is extremist and merely leeching off the momentum of the similar movements in the United States.

                                  [–]haikarate12 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  You know what group of people gets killed by the police the most in Canada? That'd be the mentally ill. And mental illness doesn't fucking discriminate.

                                  Edit: Forgot some words...

                                  [–]primordialbeing 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  Which is why Canada needs more funding put into mental health resources.

                                  [–]haikarate12 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Absolutely.

                                  [–]dsac 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Maybe if we put more money into mental health resources, Yusra Khogali would have a better grip on reality.

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                                    [–]Phibriglex 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    A hammer aint a gun for sure. But you definitely want a fucking gun when youre facing a guy with a hammer. Or even unarmed for that matter. Who knows if theyre on drugs or if theyre trained in martial arts.

                                    [–]redcheckbuffaloNova Scotia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    A good example is that video of some dude attacking a female British police officer with a hammer and it's so disturbing how long he was able to do it even with other police officers right there. Do normal cops in Britian not have guns?

                                    [–]Flash604British Columbia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Do normal cops in Britian not have guns?

                                    Yes

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                                        [–]telios87 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Then she should be deposed. Either she's a tyrant, or the members tacitly approve.

                                        [–]RogueIslesRefugeeBritish Columbia 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                        You don't know much about BLMTO, or BLM in general then. I wasn't kidding when I compared it to the KKK. It's one thing to want equality and fair treatment for all races. But BLM has gone way beyond just wanting those things, and have reached the point where they are as bad as what they claim to be against.

                                        [–]Commissar_SaeQuébec 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                        Until they start bombing Sunday schools to kill white children, I'm still going to put them a notch somewhere under the KKK. Yes BLMTO is all kinds of ridiculous with their rhetoric, but as far as I know they haven't murdered children or beaten young white men to death for flirting with black girls. Let me know when they do.

                                        [–]dudehere976 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        There was the shooting of 11 police officers in Dallas by BLM. So there's that.

                                        [–]Commissar_SaeQuébec 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Except BLM also condemned the shooting, I mean if the KKK now is condemning their previous actions I will happily support them in that condemnation, but a lone gunman should not represent a whole movement unless we are willing to apply it in all cases.

                                        edit: source for their condemnation of the attack: http://fortune.com/2016/07/08/black-lives-matter-speaks-out-against-dallas-shooting/

                                        [–]dudehere976 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Well good news, you can now support the kkk too./s

                                        In all seriousness, yes we need to be careful what we consider terrorism and what we take as isolated incidents. I too would put BLM below the KKK, but give it some time and I'm not so sure.

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                                            [–]sidoZe 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                            Please cite sources that show BLMTO policies that are similar to the KKK.

                                            [–]MikeFromBC 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                            Members of the KKK should not be held responsible for the actions of previous KKK members in the past. They haven't lynched or burned anyone at the stake, they're just racists, same as BLM.

                                            KKK believe white people are superior. Ergo, they're racist.

                                            BLM believe white people are racist. Ergo, they're racist.

                                            [–]nickdicintiosorgy 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            "They blocked roads! And wrote mean Facebook posts about white people!"

                                            You have to know next to nothing about the KKK and its violent history to think that BLM is similar to it in any way.

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                                                      [–]Vorter_JacksonCanada 221 ポイント222 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                      I would be careful to note that they are not the US organization or group, but black supremacy and anti-white race baiting is at the heart of what BLM Toronto is. Why would one person leaving change all that?

                                                      [–]Bawblawblawlawbawm 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                      Well the tone in the US is growing more hateful, look at the preschool teacher in Seattle saying "we need to kill the White House" and demanding white people give her their money.

                                                      [–]tenpies 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      the US is growing more hateful

                                                      Growing? It's had hostile elements since day 1, but slowly the more violent elements of the movement have become harder to hide/sweep aside.

                                                      I realize it's hard to have an organized leadership structure when a movement is based on a hashtag, but local BLM leadership needs to make very clear efforts to show that they're not going to end up like the Black Panthers in another couple of years.

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                                                        [–]s-werbenmanjensenAlberta 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        It's basically at the heart of US blm too. They're a domestic terror movement down south, I see no reason to import that idiocy here.

                                                        [–]Tasadar 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        Fortunately it simply has no where to grow to here. Canada has very few black people and even less "oppressed" black people. It simply isn't a systemic issue here. That would be the natives.

                                                        If they commit crimes, arrest them, throw them in jail and do it in a safe way, bring a camera if you like. Other than that everyone else can ignore it, there aren't really a lot of liberals who support this wackos, no more than any other radical/cult like group of idiots. It's really not hard to find an idiot screaming on a corner in any country.

                                                        There's no huge liberal support for these people, they're just random assholes.

                                                        [–]rabbitpantherhybrid 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        And I believe many of the First Nations activist groups that were originally supporting BLM have now distanced themselves in part because of what the article discusses.

                                                        [–]monkey_sage 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        When they realized that BLM was just using First Nations people? BLM doesn't care about others, it doesn't care about black people or first nations people, or queer people. All they care about is hate and power.

                                                        [–]sloppies 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Well, BLM UK is a thing too...

                                                        Even though in (2015? Can't remember), a single black man was shot by officers, and it was by a taser. 3 whites and the preceding black man died by officer shooting that year, nobody else.

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                                                          [–]Coziestpigeon2Manitoba 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          Honestly, pretty shocked to see an article like this coming from HuffPo.

                                                          [–]arthurpalidenOutside Canada 299 ポイント300 ポイント  (85子コメント)

                                                          The whole organization needs to be disbanded.

                                                          [–]CanadianCentipedeLest We Forget 123 ポイント124 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                          Even the comments section of that Huffington Post article is full of cancerous identity politics, playing into the hand of who the article is about. The tumors run deep, much deeper than BLM.

                                                          [–]StrawRedditor 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                          I wish more people would realize this.

                                                          BLM is not the start of this... it's just a symptom. These cancerous identity politics have been showing their face for like 5+ years now.

                                                          Here's one video from 2012 of people protesting a talk about how boys were not doing too well in school. One of the woman there was the president of the student union.

                                                          [–]dudehere976 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                          I remember that video- I feel like that marks the point where I stopped considering myself a leftist.

                                                          [–]StrawRedditor 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          That was pretty close to when I did the same. And truth be told, it wasn't even the video itself, but the left's (I'm generalizing here) reaction to it.

                                                          You would think something that blatant would be responded to with almost universal condemnation... but it wasn't.

                                                          [–]sloppies 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          You can still call yourself a leftist while calling the far left out for their retardation. That's what I do.

                                                          Ex) I support the idea behind what BLM pretends it's all about, however I think BLM is filled with racist morons and would never march alongside them or support them in any way.

                                                          [–]modestokun 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          Theres a lot more to the left than identity politics.

                                                          [–]dudehere976 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          Recently classic liberalism has nothing to do with the left.

                                                          [–]relationship_tom [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                          That's not true at all, BLM has little to do with the left as a whole, which includes millions and millions of Canadians.

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                                                            [–]shreddolls [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                            Oh man the hypocrisy in that video is just amazing. I had no idea who Warren Farrell was, so I looked him up. Controversial yes but his speech had some important points. Imagine the fury these protestors would create if a group blocked them from listening to a feminist that said some negative things towards men.

                                                            I really hope now 5 years later they watch that video of themselves speaking hate and not listening at all to other perspectives and hang their heads in shame.

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                                                              [–]fluttersnipe 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                              It's not really surprising. Huffpo is a liberal rag just as much as brietbart is a rag for the conservatives.

                                                              [–]sidoZe 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              Which is why when even they are calling for a BLM leader to step down, you know the leader fucked up

                                                              [–]Ninja_Arena 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              Not that the leader wasn't saying what they think but that the leader made it too hard for the movement to get politi-points for people who think like them.
                                                              More and more I think groups like this are a troll to force people to think seriously about bigotry and combat it by them being the biggest bigots around

                                                              [–]Alame 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I'd rather commend the author for writing - and huffpo for publishing - an article that is generally reasonable, neutral, and apolitical than focus on how extreme the target of said article is. While Khogali is undoubtedly extreme, she is one of many that speak and act this way - and there is an even larger silent group that support or at least turn a blind eye to these goings on. Just like the alt-right is larger than we'd like to admit, the opposing side (I do so enjoy the ctrl-left moniker myself) is as well.

                                                              [–]renegadecanuck 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              I'd compare Huffpo more to a left-wing Fox News or Sun Media. It has a very obvious liberal slant, so you have to take things with a grain of salt, but there can still be occasional nuggets of good reporting on it, and unlike Brietbart, it's not flat out lies and race-baiting.

                                                              [–]cisxuzuul 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              and unlike Brietbart, it's not flat out lies and race-baiting.

                                                              No, that's Salon and DU

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                                                                [–]Blakdragon39 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Even the comments section of that Huffington Post

                                                                You say that like the comments of any news article aren't a total garbage pile.

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                                                                  [–]HireALLTheThingsAlberta 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  Seriously. BLM Toronto is a prime study in tainting a brand. If anyone were to take the reigns and try to do something meaningful with it, they'd need to put more effort into distancing themselves from the previous leadership than they would anything else.

                                                                  Best to just dissolve the whole thing and start fresh without the cloud of past insanity hanging in the air.

                                                                  [–]mitchell271 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  BLM got people talking (not here to argue about whether or not it was good). BLM Toronto made it a farce.

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                                                                      [–]old_n_crankyCanada 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                      And today during Justin Trudeau's town hall he said that he thanks and appreciates that BLM group! Glad to see these are the types of people that he is supporting

                                                                      [–]AdjectiveFood 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                      That's Trudeau's strategy, though. By being kind to them, he makes the "white supremacist" tag even more ridiculous.

                                                                      He did the same thing to the pipeline protester. He humbled himself so yelling at him would make them look crazy.

                                                                      [–]ACrusaderACanada 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      The Conservative ads were pretty right.

                                                                      He is a good politician and if he was elected 10 years later he probably wouldn't have as much hate thrown at him.

                                                                      [–]AdjectiveFood 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                      He is 45, though. Do you have to be old with white hair to be taken seriously?

                                                                      [–]ACrusaderACanada 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      No, but his actions show that while smart and with good intentions, he does say and do things that a more experience politician would be able to avoid.

                                                                      He is experienced as a person, but not as a politician. He was first elected in 2008. He's only been in parliament for 8 years.

                                                                      Compare that to Harper who was elected in 1993 and became Prime Minister in 2006. Martin was first elected in 1988 and became PM in 2003. Cretien first time as MP in '63 became MP in '93.

                                                                      I want to like Trudeau. He got a majority and he has good ideas and he does a lot of things right, but I feel as if they should have waited and pulled him out in the next election when he would have been darn near unstoppable.

                                                                      [–]canadianturd 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      When the radio plays clips of Trudeau shouting in parliament, barely able to catch his breath, whole bunch of um's mixed in, I gotta agree with you. It is so hard to take him seriously when you hear that shit, adults in parliament (and especially the PM) should be able to make their point without having a tantrum.

                                                                      [–]Footyphile 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Yup, he doesn't sound 45.

                                                                      [–]Alame 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      He's 45, but has only been directly involved in governance for 9 years, 2 of those spent as party leader.

                                                                      I don't care about age, I care about experience. In my mind a 55 yr old with 10 years experience equals a 35 yr old also with 10 yrs. There is no questioning that Trudeau with 19 years experience rather than 9 would be a superior politician, mostly because it would shave some of his idealism down and introduce an additional level of pragmatism.

                                                                      [–]AdjectiveFood [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                      It makes sense, I never thought of it that way. I was assuming everyone gave him shit for looking young. If you look at the standard Trudeau bashing comments, you get countless "childish", "tantrum" and "boy" tossed around.

                                                                      [–]FirstTimeWang 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Kill 'em with kindness.

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                                                                        [–]cirlce 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        He isn't supporting them. He's deflating their argument.

                                                                        [–]FirstTimeWang 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Yeah but he's damned if do and damned if he don't.

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                                                                          [–]Billy1138Ontario 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                          BLM Canada needs to fucking not exist in the first place! This isn't the states!

                                                                          [–]MTL9Québec 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                          It's all part of Canada's inferiority complex. Our problems aren't dramatic enough so we have to import american debates as well.

                                                                          [–]FolkmasterFlex 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          By some measures, Canada actually had worse racial disparity than the States but thats with Indigenous.

                                                                          [–]sloppies 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Yep. Native Canadians are in a pretty shit position. BLM only pretends they exist when it's to put together a "fuck whitey" rant though.

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                                                                                [–]Abe_VigodaAlberta 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                BLM is an astroturf organization and Huffington Post is owned by Verizon/AOL. American bullshit creeping into Canada.

                                                                                [–]killermentos420 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                Well, that's toronto for you

                                                                                [–]redcheckbuffaloNova Scotia 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                The Huffington Post is the Breitbart of the left.

                                                                                [–]BlackBeltBeta 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                The whole group needs to go away. They got the police banned from an event because they were allegedly ANTI-LGBT and anti-black, etc, etc.

                                                                                My question is, why the fuck would the cops have a float in the Pride parade if they weren't all for inclusiveness? The bathouse incident was awful, obviously, but they've been making massive strides to advance inclusiveness and acceptance.

                                                                                I assume that they don't want the police anywhere near the pride parade either. I'd almost laugh if they banned the police from even guarding and keeping things in control and something happens, and it would be 100% on BLM Toronto's hands.

                                                                                Pride TO needs to stand up and get a spine as well. They gave into BLM TO and banned the police just because they didn't want to upset BLM. The police are still holding their reception but I honestly don't think they should. Pride doesn't want the police involved? Then don't BE involved, unless an actual crime is committed and they need to intervene.

                                                                                [–]Crilde 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                If pride can't get police to provide security, the city likely will not issue the permits necessary in order to have pride at all. Not to mention the city subsidizes some of the security costs, so any other alternative would be out of pocket for pride, which I doubt they could afford.

                                                                                [–]BlackBeltBeta 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I was just saying how ironic it is that they're refusing to allow the police to have a float, yet they still need them to provide security.

                                                                                [–]doggo_rocket 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                No. We all need to accept that we white people are literally cancer on this earth and all other races are more perfect then us. Stop being racist izlamaphobes guys. /s

                                                                                [–]lightlasertower 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                This is her ACTUAL belief... .. just so you people know.

                                                                                [–]RainbowNowOpenBritish Columbia 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                just so you people know.

                                                                                "you people"? "YOU PEOPLE"?

                                                                                No you didn't.

                                                                                [–]alastorisCanada 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                BLM Toronto lost my understanding / potential support when they stop the pride parade and demanded the off duty police be removed from celebrating gay rights. Everyone, regardless of preference, had a right to be there promoting that if they choose to. What they did was Bull Fuck'n shit.

                                                                                [–]Karrionhardt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I'm pretty damned liberal but I wholeheartedly agree with you. Reading about members of the police force who are actually gay being denied the opportunity to attend pride was really sad.

                                                                                [–]Birdmoose 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                BLM is already dead as a brand. There's nothing that can be done to give it the legitimacy it so deftly ducked.

                                                                                [–]monkey_sage 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                They have given themselves such a bad name, they will never be associated with anything other than hateful, racist garbage. They ruined their own chances at any kind of relevancy even before they entered this country.

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                                                                                  [–]shmoove_cwiminal [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  "Melanin directly communicates with cosmic energy"

                                                                                  Lol. Fuck this dunce.

                                                                                  [–]ngwooSaskatchewan 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Good article, fully agree. Especially nice to see it published somewhere like HuffPo as well.

                                                                                  [–]funkme1sterOntario 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                  All this talk about how Yusra Khogali is bad because she said some stupid stuff on the internet, and nobody is discussing how Sandy Hudson literally stole a quarter million dollars from university students?

                                                                                  A shameless sociopath like that doesn't deserve to be treated as a human let alone heralded as a civil rights advocate.

                                                                                  Khogali may not be a shining example of temperance and dignity, but unlike defrauding a university and stealing from students, there's no law against being a stupid person on the internet.

                                                                                  Edit: My mistake, the issue isn't "who's worse overall", it's "who's less fit to direct social issue discussions", and the answer is "the one that is unabashedly an argumentative bigot".

                                                                                  [–]monkey_sage 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Once Yusra is gone, Sandy will be next.

                                                                                  [–]hobbitlover 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Here's why it matters:

                                                                                  Khogali's comments can be interpreted as hate speech and she is an avowed racist. She has demanded a spot at the Pride table, and is dictating who can take part in that event - while also hijacking their biggest celebration. Pride is a registered charity, and an event that is supported in many ways by the city of Toronto, Government of Ontario, Government of Canada, and various corporate sponsors. It's unacceptable to provide public support to an event that gives a seat on the board to an organization fronted by a racist, and I think a lot of sponsors would be reluctant to be associated with that as well.

                                                                                  EDIT: I should also point out that this wouldn't fly at all if the situation was reversed. I wouldn't expect any government or sponsor to support my organization if I had an anti-semite, racist or homophobe on the board. Imagine the headlines if a board member at the Toronto International Marathon spewed a bunch of racist crap about Kenyan runners - people would absolutely be demanding his resignation.

                                                                                  [–]flyingfox12 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Very poor logic. One is bad therefore the other is not bad.

                                                                                  [–]KingVikram 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  We're not talking about Sandy right now, we're talking about Yursa Khogali.

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                                                                                    [–]chocobo606 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    A bunch of morons who have probably never suffered any of the "injustices" they fight for, in a country like Canada.

                                                                                    BLM is absolutely retarded as a whole, but at least you'd have an argument for it in the US.

                                                                                    [–]Jaigar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Now, normally my white skin would admittedly preclude me from even suggesting that a black activist should hang up the megaphone

                                                                                    Stopped reading right there.

                                                                                    [–]Bargainking77 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                    I'm really alarmed by some of the commenters (not all of course) here who seem to think racism against black people is an American problem - even if it's not to the same extent it's still a live issue that is in our Canadian society today.

                                                                                    [–]itchyscratchy4545 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Canadians have huge egos and would rather spend time patting ourselves on the back for being "polite" than acknowledging some of the horrible conditions people in this country are living in and some of the awful issues people are dealing with right across the country.

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                                                                                      [–]Reddisaurusrekts 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                      Now, normally my white skin would admittedly preclude me from even suggesting that a black activist should hang up the megaphone

                                                                                      Jesus, even in this piece, the anti-white self-hate is palpable.

                                                                                      When did this happen? Why is this okay? That we now think it's good, that some people feel inferior, or that their opinions are less important, because of their race?

                                                                                      [–]Rezo-Acken 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      The frightening part to me is not really the crazy person. Those exist everywhere and are often the loudest.

                                                                                      It's all the length and carefulness the journalist has to go through just to state such a simple fact.

                                                                                      [–]Redriversandwich 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Sadly this hateful con artist is educated at one of our universities

                                                                                      [–]Balderdash_Cam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      educated

                                                                                      Not really. She may have attended classes of some kind but educated? Nah. Didn't happen.

                                                                                      Now indoctrinated is very likely. But I genuinely think this one is just a cynical con artist.

                                                                                      [–]Silly_Buisness 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      They won't get rid of her.

                                                                                      It became pretty obvious pretty early on that BLMTO isn't about the cause, or they'd do more to actually help the 'cause', whatever that even if for BLMTO. It's about the individuals and their own fame. To get rid of this one crazy woman would show some self reflection that we all know doesn't exist within the group.

                                                                                      They lost their way a long, long time ago. Their need to be as oppressed as black Americans is just insane, their unwillingness to work with the community is shocking, and how much they have tried to convince people that some voices are worth much more than others, is shameful.

                                                                                      [–]Ominaeo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Sort by controversial for the good stuff.

                                                                                      [–]YourGameDoesSuckOntario 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Wow, that's the first huff po article in a long time I actually agree with.

                                                                                      [–]igottashare [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      If you make race important, you will never conquer racism. Race is a lie.

                                                                                      [–]spicybuttholenachos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Wow. Black lives matter spouting racist Bullshit to get attention .Shocking . Is it Friday already ?

                                                                                      [–]wylee_one 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      BLM is creating more of a problem than they claim they are trying solve. Excluding the police from being members of the community is stupid (btw which race are the the Police?) Answering hate with hate is not the answer BLM

                                                                                      [–]sloppies 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Answer: police are either white or uncle toms, therefore they should leave our "safe space".

                                                                                      You know, it's hilarious - these people are the same ones that talk about "white fragility" yet they can't even leave their homes in fear of the evil white boogeyman.

                                                                                      [–]Canucklehead99 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      blm needs to be gone period.

                                                                                      [–]Offendsthemods 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      The entire BLM movement needs to resign.

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