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[CBC News] When a refugee faces criminal charges, should the public be told? (twitter.com)

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[–]RedditReturn 270 ポイント271 ポイント  (80子コメント)

How can this even be a question?

Hiding the truth to protect a narrative is insanity.

[–]Gubba162 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (15子コメント)

CBC slogan: should we report facts, or tell you what *we want you to hear?

[–]ClarenceThomassQuébec 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

AKA what CBCs supreme benefactor pm wants you to hear. If stuff like this happens a few more times, the ramifications on Trudeau will be significant. CBC can't let that happen. They just got a huge budget bump to produce Asha Tomlinson's garbage.

[–]tempaccountnamething 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is terrifying that "facts" have become the enemy.

[–]superhobo666 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you think it was the MSM that made up this whole fake news thing after decades of their own biased and false reporting?

[–]VirginWizard69Ontario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hello Clarence Thomas. Great name.

Also, what is this Asha stuff you talk about?

[–]Dewlinedew -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dish on ash's new garb?

[–]Loud_Stick -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

So we report the birthplace and citizenship status of every single person accused of a crime?

[–]AquaMoonlightNew Brunswick 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (5子コメント)

They've done it before. Remember that story about the Muslim lady who got attacked at the supermarket in London? That was reported by CBC as a "Islamophobic incident". Well, shortly afterward, The Rebel of all places found out that her attacker was a mentally ill Iranian immigrant and even got her name (which was NOT under a publication ban), and CBC dropped the story like a hot potato. They did do one follow up story about the attacker's court appearance, but refused to publish the attacker's name.

[–]ClarenceThomassQuébec 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (14子コメント)

This confirms all the skepticism people have about CBC. If they would even consider watering down details to protect immigrants and refugees, who knows what kind of stuff they've already buried or ignored altogether.

Shame on CBC.

And don't pretend like they definitely would have released the info if the other outlets hadn't.

[–]dikky 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was confirmed when they stopped reporting on the ethnicity of non-white dangerous wanted criminals.

[–]is_reddit_useful 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's tricky. There's no benefit to anyone from reporting the citizenship and nationality of one single criminal. If there was a statistically significant pattern of criminality in refugees, people ought to know that.

[–]Davidisontherun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What if an American came across the border and did something. Wouldn't we report the nationality and citizenship then?

[–]moeburnOntario 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How can this even be a question? Hiding the truth to protect a narrative is insanity.

I think what they're asking is whether the public should be told that they're a refugee, not that they're facing criminal charges.

For example, right now, CBC doesn't report on nose length when writing an article about a crime. "The perpetrator was identified as John Smith, who is known to have a 1.2 inch long nose". It's not because they're hiding the truth about nose length, it's because they don't feel it's relevant to the story in any way. Having a long nose doesn't make you more likely to commit a crime.

Well a lot of people have felt for a long time that your country of origin or immigration status is also not relevant, and that your country of birth or immigration status does not determine your propensity to criminality. But, lately, a lot of people are saying it does factor in. The very fact that you think to omit these would be "hiding the truth" suggests you feel it's a pretty important factor. And I'd wager it's not just a "fringe minority" that feels it's relevant, it's probably a significant split, maybe even close to half the country that feels this way.

So that's why CBC is asking this question. Because we have a split in our society about this issue, and it's something we need to discuss, one way or the other. Is it, or is it not, relevant?

[–]hoopopotamus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Alternatively, Citizenship status is only a relevant detail in crime reporting if you want it to conform to a narrative about Syrian refugees. Which considering there's 25000+ of them, this seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

[–]OttSap 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your point isn't exactly clear, but I think I agree with you. A person's citizenship status matters no more to me in crime reports than gender or age. Considering the hundreds of thousands of immigrants of all walks of life we allow in this country every single year, they absolutely are the exception rather than the rule.

What would be important to know IF a refugee, immigrant or any other non-Canadian were charged with a crime, what happens after they are convicted? Every individual has a right to be innocent until proven guilty, but if that person is a resident of our country and they break our laws they should be on the next plane out of here rather than our tax dollars feeding and clothing them in a prison.

[–]hoopopotamus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was mostly responding to "protect a narrative" from OP. Not mentioning the fact he's a refugee doesn't seem to me to "protect a narrative" unless you are looking at this from a perspective of a "refugees are bad" narrative. Which a lot of people are doing. Most crime reporting doesn't try to spin shit as "it's important to mention he's a baby boomer" or "it's important to mention he is a dog person and not a cat person".

[–]drunkmme 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% agree, they should state origins of every criminal in all news reports. I for one would feel much safer

[–]darkstar3333Canada 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Violating the privacy of a individual and ignoring due process a to push a narrative is insanity.

Has everyone forgotten that a charge is not a conviction? Are we ready to destroy the capability of individual to receive a fair trial so we can get our own 24 hour "news" streams? Are we really that fucking sad as individuals?

If so why are refugees special? Why not just publish the names and information of EVERYONE charged with a crime regardless of how the courts have ruled because thats basically what is being advocated for here.

What the fuck.

[–]matterhorn9 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

but...that's .... kinda.....you know not cool...political correctness and all that.

[–]l0__0I [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd also like to know when a black person, white person, Asian, or Aboriginal commits a crime. Because you can never have too much information

[–]pufnstuf360 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

CBC does this on almost every criminal case if it is not perpetrated by a white individual. It takes other news agencies or even the police themselves telling the correct story to get them to sometimes change it (if the story gets enough traction).

[–]VirginWizard69Ontario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Well-said. Refugees are not Canadians. They do not have the same guaranteed rights and freedoms as Canadians.

[–]ChewyIsMyC0Pil0t -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what the left has been pushing for for years, wake up and smell the coffee friends

[–]omicronperseiVIII 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Has the whole world gone insane? For the last few weeks, the Canadian media, including the CBC, has been flagellating French-Canadian culture as promoting bigotry against Muslims because of the recent shooting there. Yet now we're supposed to believe that these sexual assaults were just a random act and that Islamic ideology (which btw is deeply deeply misogynistic) cannot be questioned. It's a ridiculous double standard, it's an excuse for Muslim communities when we should be demanding that they deal with this problem head-on, and it's eventually going to lead to some far right nutcases taking over the government if Canadians ever figure out that they are being gaslighted by Islamists and their clueless apologists in the media.

[–]LeadenFerrariLest We Forget 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (2子コメント)

if Canadians ever figure out that they are being gaslighted by Islamists and their clueless apologists in the media.

Like when a muslim speaker at the recent demonstration called for tearing down prisons and detention centres, seizing the means of production, and celebrating their way of life until ours dissipates underneath their feet (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/02/toronto-muslim-speaker-we-must-celebrate-our-way-of-life-until-their-way-of-life-dissipates-under-our-feet) and not a single mainstream media outlet covered it? It makes me furious that this guy basically stated outright exactly what critics of islamic immigration have been saying for years and the media just outright declines to cover it at. all. It feels an awful lot like gaslighting and a massive double standard to me. If a white man or, god forbid, an alt-right person had said the same thing it would be wall to wall national news as this should be.

[–]darkstar3333Canada -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can find people of every religion and nationality spewing hate. It pre-dates recorded history. Violent individuals and sects can be found across every society on the face of the planet.

This is why its important not to empower these people and be objective about the world around us.

One can easily argue that a site called jihadwatch(dot)org has no interest in objectivity and is only designed to push hate narratives.

[–]LeadenFerrariLest We Forget 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sites like jihadwatch only exist because the mainstream media refuses to cover stories like this since they go against their narrative. The article there consists mostly of the video of the muslim speaker and transcript of what he said which makes it fairly objective. Do you find a video and transcript of the speech from this Canadian Jewish news source (http://en.cijnews.com/?p=190319) more palatable? Perhaps you can find people of every religion spewing hate but I resent the whataboutism that comes up every time an issue with islam is brought up and when that muslim is spewing hate in the middle of a major Canadian city during a time when criticism of islam is front and center in the national discourse an inflammatory, seditious speech like that deserves coverage. The fact remains that what he advocated for is exactly what critics of islamic immigration have been raising as an issue and thus to omit reporting on it is gaslighting and a very clear double standard.

[–]Dirkef88British Columbia 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

There are ~30,000 sexual assaults every year in Canada. How many of those do you read about in the CBC?

The issue here is to ask whether it's appropriate to single out refugee crime for national reporting coverage, while sexual assaults by Canadian citizen are largely ignored. Perhaps you only think sexual assaults by refugees is a big problem because you hear about every single one that happens, and don't hear about the hundreds of other sexual assaults that happened that week. This CBC article is about whether it's ethical to contribute to the selection bias of refugee crime reporting.

So yes, it is quite likely this was a "random act", in the sense that there is no evidence that refugees are committing sexual violence at rates any higher than the national average. We're taking in tens of thousands of refugees, there's a near statistical certainty that some of them will comit violent crimes, just like any other random sample of 30,000 Canadians.

[–]MartialFurCanada 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The CBC should report every one of the 30,000 sexual assaults including a breakdown of the religious and ethnic background of the perpetrators. Is that too much to ask?

[–]omicronperseiVIII 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Six minors being sexually assaulted in one day in a swimming pool is always reported on. Nobody is being singled out.

[–]tenpies 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The issue here is to ask whether it's appropriate to single out refugee crime for national reporting coverage

I think scale is a factor. Six sexual assaults, especially of minors, by a single perpetrator definitely warrants national coverage. I could understand an argument that a single assault of an adult - while still tragic - should be restricted to local news, but this was not that. There also should not be differing thresholds for what gets reported based on identity.

[–]Dirkef88British Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I saw a post in my Facebook feed the other day about two twin brothers who had recently been released from jail, each with over a dozen convictions for sexual interference and sexual assault on minors (as young as 4 years old).

I had never heard of either of these two men, and they live in the same province as me and have been convicted multiple times within the province.

Why do you think they're not known criminals on a national (even a provincial) level? Do you think if they were refugees with this same criminal history that they would be equally as obscure and absent within media reporting?

[–]_Mellex_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

there's a near statistical certainty that some of them will comit violent crimes, just like any other random sample of 30,000 Canadians.

How many of those violent crimes would be justified given those Canadians' worldviews?

[–]Dirkef88British Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think any act of (non-war) violence is justified. Nobody is saying these acts of sexual violence are justified because the accused happens to be a refugee.

Or are you asking how many violent perpetrators justify their actions based on their world view? To that, I'd say it's a large majority, and the rest have some sort of mental deficiency that cause them to have reduce empthay and moral sense. Most people who commit violence against another individual have some sort of worldview that justifies their own actions, whether it be religious, political, ethnic, nationalist, sexist, etc.

[–]The__Majority [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

By that same logic, people start jobs in Canada everyday. Why is it national news when a refugee starts a chocolate bakery? I have no fking clue but we were hit over the head with it for about 2 months.

It's probably the same reason a refugee sexually assaulting people is National News.

[–]garlicroastedpotato 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

How about aboriginals? CBC as a policy adoption last year will no longer report the ethnicity of a criminal if they are aboriginal. So you have to assume now that every single time they don't give you a description it's an aboriginal. Yes CBC you have to report that they're Syrians doing these things otherwise, we'll all just assume your editorial bias removed the world 'aboriginal'

[–]darkstar3333Canada 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ethnicity is irrelevant unless your trying to located someone.

We don't report that 35 Irish were caught in Ride Check do we?

[–]garlicroastedpotato 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If ethnicity was irrelevant there would be no problem reporting it.

[–]ryan22_rs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why would a journalist include a completely irrelevant piece of information in an article? I don't think CBC writers are paid by the word or anything like that...

[–]DarthPunOntario [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Aboriginals are completely different though. The case about the sex assaults is more than just about that guy, it's a consequence of our refugee program and we as Canadians have a right to know what those consequences are.

[–]garlicroastedpotato [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You don't think reporting the identity of a criminal as aboriginal doesn't have an effect on the aboriginal population? Aboriginals (not Muslims) are the number one victims of hate crime in Canada, followed by Jews, Somalians, and then Muslims.

[–]DarthPunOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's not my point. Aboriginals are a part of Canada. They've been here longer than us. There was no program to move aboriginals into Canada. We do have a program to move Syrian refugees into Canada. We made a decision to subject ourselves to the potential consequences of the refugees so we have a right to know what they are.

[–]go-sports-team 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The CBC's job is to report stories based on the facts they've been given with zero bias to either side, they owe people the truth no matter what. It's a shame how many news stations do this these days.

[–]deplorablenight 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

it seems like bias is inevitable in some ways though, just by what you choose to report on or not report on.

[–]aberthin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or what details are reported / not reported. Details could be left out to protect people, for example.

Add on to that, there is a question of relevance. For example, is it relevant to report the hair color of the girl who was assaulted? Probably not. Is it relevant to report the refugee status of the Assaulter? That's the question.

[–]silenteye 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would honestly argue it isn't relevant to report the refugee status of the assaulter, unless we're discussing crimes specifically committed by refugees or something.

When a crime is reported, and the culprit is still not found, the police (and media) report on the characteristics of the individual, so the public can assist in finding the individual. For example "The man appears 5'9'', Caucasian in appearance, was wearing an Ed Hardy shirt, and has a tribal tattoo on his left bicep....".

When crimes are reported and the suspect is caught. The news article normally states their name, and provides a picture of said individual. "Bob Jackson, 49, was charged with sexual assault <picture here>". They never announce the persons ethnicity, country or origin, or immigration status (unless its some sort of thorough investigation program).

I don't think the persons immigration status is relevant in this story, unless you wanted to drive a narrative that "refugees are raping our women" (which I'm sure The Rebel would love to publish).

[–]hoopopotamus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are the "sides?" Because I don't recall much mention of citizenship status coming up in crime reporting in general and it sounds like you feel the fact he's a refugee is the most important part of the story. That's only the case if you yourself want the story to conform to your narrative

[–]go-sports-team 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lmao some nice mental gymnastics you did to come up with that one

[–]Darkb4Dawn 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Way to tackle the real issue CBC!!! Glad you dismissed the sexual assault of 6 minors in favor of the story of reverse racism. Nobody says it's wrong to delve into a non-refugees background when they commit a crime.

[–]cookie_nrk 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

clearly. In the case of the waterpark, the CBC, nor any of the mainstream news outlets even reported it minus I think one Global outlet, which then pivoted into the fact that muslims are worried this can lead to discrimination on them. Forgot to even talk about the 6 underage girls that were sexually assaulted. This is despicable.

[–]skratterbugBritish Columbia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

well, there's only so much they can say about that bit, because underage and all that. So aside from stating that it happened, there's not much to make a story with.

Obviously, transparency is important, but we don't report every sexual assault that happens to a minor in this country. Not by a long shot, so why is this reportable? Because refugee. And what discussion does that lead to, given there is no real discussion to be had about the assault? This one. Because of the tens of thousands of refugees that came into canada, this is one person. There is no group or demographic in the country that can't be found to have at least the same crime rate. The only thing left to talk about is why we care about this one more, and if we should.

[–]darkstar3333Canada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your not wrong, the focus of the story should be on the crime and victims.

It downplays or ignores similar crimes occurring every single day because they are Canadian in the interest of fueling hate.

[–]CincoFeline 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nobody has mentioned that the reason charges are made public is to hold the judiciary accountable and to ensure due process is followed. When people are being held by the police on secret charges, your democracy is in serious trouble.

[–]moeburnOntario 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

the reason charges are made public

I think the discussion is about whether your refugee status or country of origin should be made public, not the fact that charges were made against an individual.

[–]CincoFeline 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How are you going to do that if the suspect has a Muslim sounding name? People are gonna come to their own conclusions and aren't going to care that they don't know for sure the suspect is a refugee.

[–]moeburnOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh I don't support the idea, just clarifying what I think they're talking about

[–]darkstar3333Canada 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Absolutely however at that point the individuals refugee status, place of birth or ancestory is not relevant to that discussion.

[–]CincoFeline [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

People are going come to their own conclusions when they hear that Abdi death-to-america Al Bakr has been arrested for shooting up a nightclub. Try to suppress the truth and people will rightly go apeshit.

[–]TrustButtVerifyLest We Forget 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Six Edmonton teenage girls.

Six...... It's like it would somehow be different than Sweden, We just knew this time would be different b/c we are special.

[–]DisposableTeacherNW 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know what the best answer is, but please apply these policies evenly. If you're going to report on sexual abuse charges for refugees, then do the same for other Canadians too. Maybe hockey coaches and priests should get witchhunted too.

[–]SQQQ 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Better question: When CBC no longer report facts should the public fund them?

[–]moeburnOntario 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you want to know what happens to a news organization's fact-checking when they're forced to rely on ad revenue instead of public funding, just look to Fox News or CNN.

Or CBC, about 5 years ago, when Harper cut their funding and they were forced to rely on ad revenue. And still are, to this day. Suddenly you don't have time to care about proper journalism, you have to dedicate your efforts to whatever gets the most page clicks.

[–]TuckFrudeauCanada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its not our fault we create fake news its just that we need the money

Also Harper cut their funding because theyve been fake news for awhile now.

[–]FormerPessimist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upcoming CBC articles: refugee children go skating for first time, refugee family has snowball fight, refugee family watches hockey game, refugee shovels driveway, etc.

[–]Skootenbeeten 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just disgusting, no different than the media in the UK and their lies.

[–]comeonnow17 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (5子コメント)

When a refugee goes skating for the first time apparently we need to be told.

[–]Fresh613 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

and the fact that they're a refugee and "transitioning" so well needs to be rammed down our throats.

[–]buk_lau_tzu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but don't talk about the crimes that they commit. That's not important at all. BTW we need to increase our refugee acceptance by 500% even though there is a rape wave sweeping across Europe because new immigrants think the local women are whores... ok. Sounds great. Daily reminder to read Easy Meat:

http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=921D3F2BFB16DE275BF2F8409EA07575

[–]TrevellianManitoba 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean it's a human interest story, it's kind of neat to read about that kind of thing. Like if an Eskimo moved to Texas and saw his first baseball game.

[–]comeonnow17 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I find 6 teens being sexually assaulted by someone we cmpassionately welcomed in to be of inhuman interest.

[–]_Connor 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is truly unbelievable. CBC literally admitting they want to hide the truth to fit their narrative.

[–]moeburnOntario 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Relax, all they're asking is whether someone's refugee status or country of origin is relevant to a story about a crime being committed.

If they don't report that "The perpetrator was said to be left handed", it's not because they're "hiding the truth", it's because they don't feel that being left or right handed is relevant to the story of someone committing a crime.

They're asking the question, because they realize a large portion of the public does believe a person's immigration status or country of origin is relevant to how likely they are to be a criminal.

[–]PopeSaintHilarius 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where did they admit that?

Lots of crimes across this country are committed every day, and the vast majority of them don't get any media coverage, especially outside of the local area. The question is whether otherwise ordinary crimes should be considered "extra newsworthy" if they involve a refugee.

[–]iTzDusty 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lots of people do nice and feel-good things every day, and the vast majority of them don't get any media coverage. Except for Syrian refugees.

[–]spoonbeak 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How about just not naming anybody until they're actually convicted. The media paints so many people guilty before being found innocent its infuriating.

[–]darkstar3333Canada 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its almost like people forget how the justice system works.

[–]redux44 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

People love to fear monger. Take any large random population and it is inevitable that you will have some future rapists and murderers. This very moment hospitals across the country are delivering some future scum bag.

The key question is whether the crime rate of refugees is not in line with the native population. Thus data needs to be collected to make sure the vetting process is working.

Individual refugee cases should be reported and the public should be made aware.

It's just unfortunate that some media and individuals with an agenda will seize on individual cases to argue against taking in any refugees.

[–]buk_lau_tzu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure the media is trying as hard as they can to avoid talking about migrant sex attacks. The only online newspapers that talks about this issue are papers like the Daily Mail and RT, and the mainstream news conglomerates (and their allies in government) are very shrill in saying that anyone that notices reality and is willing to counter the hegemonic narrative is "fake news".

[–]swampswing 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And this is why the CBC is a propaganda outlet like Russian Times or The Global Times. They purposely curate the news to manipulate public opinion.

[–]wankershankerflanker 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is trickier than people make it out to be. A refugee, he is a landed immigrant, thus bearing the same rights. Remember this man has been charged, not convicted. Should his privacy be protected until he has faced his trail and is convicted of their crime? Probably, feeding a false narrative has had issues in recent history. Just look how Trump used the Arab man whom was arrested then released after the Quebec shooting. Furthermore, people may still attack a charged person even if they are not convicted; ruining their lives.

On the other hand, publication of trial events and charges are critical to public safety. While names or personal history probably should not be published for the sake of the accused privacy until a conviction is made, the facts that someone is being charged is important to publish to prevent government disappearance. So that the case can be viewed by public eyes and know how it is proceeding.

As for knowing about a sexual predator walking around your city. That is irrelevant to this topic because, we are supposed to have jails and such for that. A failure in that can be it's own discussion.

Now, does any of this matter? No, not even a little. The media will do what it wants, when it wants, and how it wants to line their pockets with cash. Do they give a fuck about privacy, public protection, or keeping governments in check? No, it is to their benefits to let out the information for their click baiting.

[–]darkstar3333Canada 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its not really tricky, immigrants have the same rights as you and I.

As far as the law is concerned they are held to the same laws and are afforded the same due process as each one of us.

The only real difference is how long they have been here which isn't reported now and is not relevant.

[–]wankershankerflanker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The tricky part is realising what your rights are since they are so often violated.

[–]DefencemanBritish Columbia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

When a soldier faces criminal charges we zealously exhibit that, why should someone whose been brought into this country on our dime does something bad be any different.

[–]wankershankerflanker 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sad fact of the matter is the other way around. We have grown so used to the media cherry picking cases and broadcasting personal information about trials, we forget that they aren't supposed to have that information. The media should not be reporting person information about someone who is charged. But that goes for both the refugee and the soldier. They should not be creating false narratives, influencing trials, and violating people rights to fill their pockets; but has that ever stopped them before?

[–]DefencemanBritish Columbia 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree completely but if they're going to do it to soldiers they should do the same for refugees, i sorta understand representing the soldiers in that way because they should be held to a higher standard, but that doesn't necessarily mean broadcasting when they do something wrong.

[–]wankershankerflanker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well irregardless of which standard we hold them to, they have to be held to it or they will do whatever profits them. That's why I advocate for my position, because if the answer is yes or no; the media must be held to that standard. Which sadly, they likely never will.

[–]MoistIsANiceWordBritish Columbia 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Absolutely, no question. Taxpayer money has been spent supporting the individual, and the public deserves to know that a refugee receiving public assistance committed a crime.

[–]darkstar3333Canada 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You realize under that logic, all crimes should be reported.

EVERYONE receives public assistance.

[–]MoistIsANiceWordBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm speaking specifically of those who enter into our country, receive public assistance, and commit crimes while doing so. The general public is comprised of Canadian citizens, refugees are not, and should a) be outed as criminal if they commit a crime while here, and b) be deported upon conviction and never permitted to return.

[–]ShipMaker 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Should the CBC receive public funding?

[–]mistro54 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I disagree with anyone who would use a single incident as proof all people of a group are a problem, but censorship is censorship. Government funded media definitely shouldn't censor news.

[–]imatrapper 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. We were sold a bill of goods: that despite the cbsa and rcmp saying that the vetting was fruitless, that the vetting was thorough.

[–]AquaMoonlightNew Brunswick 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

CBC is just pissed this ruined the sunshine and lollipop propaganda regarding Syrian refugees they kept trying to force upon us. The fact they're even asking this question after having plastered Bissonette's name, picture, the town he resides in, and the "fact" that he was associated with the "alt right" (which is a "fact" based on little more than hearsay and circumstantial evidence) all over their news for the last week or so is cognitive dissonance at its finest.

[–]TrevellianManitoba 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean in general almost all of the refugees are well meaning, productive members of society, so naturally the bulk of the reporting on them would be positive. It's a tricky question on how to report the bad stuff on them though because that alt right you mentioned is constantly looking for an excuse to turn them into the boogeyman, and news outlets like the rebel sure don't help by feeding into that narrative.

I do agree with the Bissonette stuff though, that got way out of hand.

[–]Lateralus____ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For fuck sake CBC.

[–]l3lCOntario 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Should we do our job if it goes against the narrative?"

[–]wankershankerflanker 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They shouldn't really be posting the race or other information that could be hindering a fair trial. But they sooner support their narrative and fill their wallets than think about other people rights.

[–]ChuckSmall 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What?

Why is this even a question?

Justice is part of the public realm, the public has a right to know.

[–]PopeSaintHilarius 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lots of crimes across this country are committed every day, and most of them don't get any media coverage, especially outside of their local area. Should a crime be considered extra newsworthy if it involves a refugee? That's the question.

[–]RedBeardBockCanada 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the idea is that those who hate refugees already will use it for nefarious purposes. However, it should be those actions that are looked at and held to account not the media for reporting it.

[–]darkstar3333Canada -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reporting like this does nothing but incite hate and build political rhetoric at the expense of the victims.

When something bad happens it diminishes those victims to the point where what happened to them is uses as a soapbox to spew hate.

[–]ah_hell [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Spew hate? This shit bag molested 6 girls at a public water park. Immigrants are guests in our country and they should behave appropriately. They should be held to even higher standards as they are GUESTS.

[–]TheDownvoteFactoryOntario 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

These are the idiots that want hundreds of millions more in tax dollars from us so they can stop having advertisements. They want more money than what their ads make to top it off.

Defund the CBC, it's no better than RT or NPR.

[–]Apexk9 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If a refugee commits a crime deport. If a refugee is on welfare deport.

Really simple.

[–]mcjagga 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

All of them are on welfare. You helped pay for these kids to get sexually assaulted. We all did.

[–]Unbalanced531 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you're saying that, then literally anybody that has benefited from tax dollars in some way and then committed a crime has been "paid" by you. So what?

[–]sickjukes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The public should absolutely not be told. The narrative must be protected at all costs.

[–]BannockSlap 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, yes? Why the hell shouldn't we be told?

[–]_Mellex_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, yes? I don't want to end up like Sweden.

[–]PsychoTHErapist_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ABSOLUTELY

[–]ChewyIsMyC0Pil0t 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course it should! We should also celebrate their cultural differences and not prosecute when they have a sexual emergency

[–]ThatOneMartian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't pander to the demented by trying to hide the truth.

[–]kimtaeyeonbonjwa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Of course. And it should be used as a point of discourse for if we should allow others into our country.

[–]wankershankerflanker 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So should we not allow Christian into the country, or Jews, or white people, or black people, or males in general. Pedophilia is not race dependent or gender dependent. It is a mental condition that can affect anyone.

[–]darkstar3333Canada 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't forget females or anyone born in Canada who are all equally capable of committing the crime.

[–]TrevellianManitoba 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fair but if a specific race/gender/religion is statistically more likely to commit said crime are we justified in discriminating against them?

[–]loltheirone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of course.. Why do you think we held off on single male refugees

[–]wankershankerflanker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, because to discriminate against that race/gender/religion is to assume that people of other races/genders/religions do not commit those crimes and assume that all people of that race/gender/religion commit those crimes. A bias that could prevent other whom commit those crimes from being charged.

[–]ghostsnstuffz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once you do something fucked up they post your face n name on the 6o'clock news. Grow a backbone CBC

[–]BadCustomerService 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, the thing with this question is this.

When a refugee is brought into Canada they should be treated as any other person residing in Canada. If the criminal charge is something that would regularly be on the news, then yes, of course. But if it is something that CBC wouldn't normally cover then I don't believe it should be just because they are a refugee.

That is just my two cents.

[–]alastorisCanada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crime is crime, treat it the same as a regular Joe committed them. I don't want the media to nick pick the news and focus on Refugees because they are refugees. If the crime is big enough for national news, then report it. At the same time,i don't want any crime, large or small to be thrown under the rug.

[–]Prosthetic_Foreskin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Absolutely not, no names should be given to the public on a criminal charge.

On a criminal conviction however, publish the names.

This isn't just for refugees, this should be for everyone. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, there's no need for civilian witch hunts before the courts do their job.

[–]OBAN141 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is pathetic to even ask. Yes, I want to know about any and all potential dangerous groups or people.

[–]YouMeAndEverybody [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hey worked out for Sweden, right?

[–]angelcake [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Only if is a serious enough crime to merit news coverage and I suspect reporting on a crime serious enough to merit the aforementioned news coverage would apply to everybody who lives in this country whether they arrived last week or were born here. Do we really need the news reporting stuff like "immigrant stole a bag of Cheeto's because he was hungry"?

[–]Sociojoe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was down-voted heavily when I wrote a while ago they should just defund the CBC.

Plenty of better, more efficient, ways to generate Canadian content. In fact the CBC is probably a detriment to high quality Canadian media.

One of the main arguments against my position was the idea that the CBC provides some sort of unbiased perspective on world events because they don't have the same number of advertisements.

This is literally state funded propaganda, and you are paying them to make it.

For shame.

[–]AkesgerothQuébec [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Next: Let us tell you all about how the outlets which DO report on it are fake news!"

[–]newnewisold [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes. I'm pro refugee but how is this a question?

[–]peasantographer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So basically. "Should we do our job and not lie to the public?"

CBC is the CNN of Canada.

[–]Drop_The_PuckOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When serious crimes are committed by people who are foreigners, it's pretty standard to identify them as such in news articles. It's not having some Amber-Alert-equivalent system for refugee criminals (beeep-beeep-"a refugee just stole a Coffee Crisp from Macs"-beep-beep) it's just standard reporting of incidents.

[–]mikailus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Suppose it turns out he/she is innocent of a crime?

[–]IcarusOnReddit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Today I was listening to Radio 2 and the university experience program had a guy who couldn't get laid. He blamed it on being Chinese and that women didn't like him because of it. Then he came to the insight that he didn't get laid because he lacked confidence and that his race didn't matter.

Take that Cbc racial victimization narrative!

Well, maybe take it a little bit...

[–]nerfalisk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Should the public be told that someone committed a crime? Well they should be treated like any other person in this country.

If it is newsworthy or not is up for debate, but leave out the refugee part. Not saying that we need to protect the concept, more or less we don't need fear mongering. Doesn't matter how you entered the country, it's what you did while you were here which is on trial.

[–]FormerPessimist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fear mongering is in the eye of the beholder. Reporting relevant details of a crime is not fear mongering. If the guy was from Edmonton it would have been reported as "Edmonton man sexually assaults 6 minors at WEM".

[–]wankershankerflanker 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except this is more saying, "A person (of x heritage) committed a crime." Not "a person (from x region of the country) committed a crime." I rather know of the pedo in my area than then pedo who was from a country.

[–]nerfalisk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that is an unspeakable crime, but what does being a refugee have anything to do with the crime? It has no real reason to be said.

If say a refugee was targeting other refugees absolutely, that has motive and relevance to the crime.

[–]FormerPessimist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You said he should be treated like any other person. Giving a brief bio of a perpetrator is a fairly standard reporting practice. If his name was John Smith do you think CBC would have left that out of the original article? Would it be acceptable to describe him as Syrian instead of Syrian refugee?

[–]Yojimbo4133 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure.

[–]over-the-fenceCanada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any serious crime that poses a danger to the public should be reported. The perpetrator's immigration status is immaterial, though should be included.

[–]wankershankerflanker 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really, a serious criminal whom poses a threat to society, their privacy should be protected until they are convicted. But if they are a continued threat to people, they should be in jail with no bail until their trail is concluded. We have jails, for a reason; our inability to use them is another issues all together. The crime should be mentioned like all other crimes of a violent nature, but personal information being leak can inhibit a fair trial. I would hate to see this man let free because of an anti-racist narrative by the media.

EDIT: Changed 'parole' to 'bail'

[–]old_n_crankyCanada -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point it's whatever Justin Trudeau tells the media they are allowed to report!

[–]TOMapleLaughs -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's only relevant to those perpetuating their agenda. Similar crimes are committed every day, but only the 'hot button' ones, recently the refugees/muslim ones, would ever get this level of attention. In the past it was Sikhs, Punjab, the Chinese, Japanese, etc. And what we're seeing is the last bastion of 'acceptable' racism being exploited for political points.

But if the CBC doesn't do this, there's another agenda to perpetuate with that too. If the CBC does hide the irrelevant ethnic identity of the criminal, then they are showing 'Liberal bias.' If they don't, then they are contributing to the very problem regarding 'acceptable' and systemic racism.

Personally, I think the truth should be told, that criminals should be charged appropriately, and that we shouldn't cave in to ethnic hysteria over these instances. A criminal is a criminal is a criminal.

[–]critfistBritish Columbia 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's only relevant to those perpetuating their agenda

It's extremely relevant. We bring in refugees through a vetting process. If a child molester manages to get into our country that is a serious problem and shows a possible oversight in the vetting system.

[–]darkstar3333Canada 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really, people in general are capable of terrible things. We've known this since before recorded history.

Would you care to explain how born and raised Canadians are responsible for similar crimes on a daily basis?

No degree of "vetting" can overcome human nature or prevent evens that lead to things like this occurring.

[–]critfistBritish Columbia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really, people in general are capable of terrible things

You're ignoring what I've said.

No degree of "vetting" can overcome human nature or prevent evens that lead to things like this occurring.

If they can vet for criminal activity I'm sure they can vet for sexual assaults or misbehavior. We're constantly told that Canada is receiving "The top cream" of the refugees, yet we still get pedophiles and molesters.

[–]Raster90 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please show me the examples of the every day mass sexual assaults happening.

All you have is your racism buzzword. You're making it lose its meaning.

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