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[–]Dwellingov 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (62子コメント)

Similar event in Germany 48 hours ago;

Asylum seekers arrested for 'sexually assaulting girls' at German swimming pool

They went after five girls between the age of 12 and 14.

[–]__Kill__Yourself__ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why aren't these people being deported?

[–]ilikeorangutans 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When you say "these people", you mean the two suspects?

[–]__Kill__Yourself__ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes. And all the other criminal refugees. We don't need any more criminals than we already have.

[–]deathstrukkNova Scotia 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (58子コメント)

Wow it's almost like these aren't isolated incidents and it is something wrong with the culture itself 🤔

[–]AngryMulbearOntario 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's almost like a culture where women are covered up with trashbags, leads to increased sexual frustration.

[–]halfhearted_skeptic 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude has 6 kids. I don't think sexual frustration has anything to do with it.

[–]__Kill__Yourself__ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now I wonder if he does the same thing at home as at the pool.

[–]wilson1474 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No shit! But how dare you speak logically

[–]peasantographer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure the girls just weren't sensitive enough to the needs of the refugee. This is the same reason why Sweden is deporting 80k refugees

[–]The_shitty_london 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are 100% right but this sub will downvote it.

[–]Otter248 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, I agree! Same way we know all Germans hate Jews and all Americans love Trump.

[–]wankershankerflanker [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well let us keep in mind that not all Muslims are like this much the same as lots of other people do this shit. Some come here to escape that culture, others come and perpetuate it. Sadly, the later is the louder and more proactive group.

[–]deathstrukkNova Scotia [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

thats a opoint I am trying to make, this is a problem with muslims from certain countries not all muslims. the culture in Canada and Syria is very different and much more accepting.

[–]wankershankerflanker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But to say all people coming from that culture wish to bring that culture here is more my issue. Not all Syrians whom come here wish to bring or continue to act as part of it. Just those whom do, tend to be more loud when they clash with ours.

[–]flyingfox12 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Catholic Church slowly walking out the door.

[–]skratterbugBritish Columbia 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (25子コメント)

OR or or or...

It's almost like news publications report sexual assaults committed by refugees more consistently than they report all other sexual assaults

[–]deathstrukkNova Scotia 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yep that's the case it gotta be you're right, those poor Muslims are the ones being attacked not the little girls and boys

[–]TheNewGirl_ 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Fuck you , you disingenuous fuck. If it was a white guy who fondled SIX children at the Edmonton Waterpark it would make national news. You should feel ashamed of yourself. I'm not even fucking white and I can see how badly you're trying to deflect this. We've taken immigrants and refugees from many east Asian countries and eastern European ones and had no where near the same level of difficulty integrating them into Canadian society. That's a fact

[–]Knight12ify 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I too like to use the word fuck online.

[–]herman_gill 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Wait... do you think every sexual assault that happens and leads to an arrest makes national news?

[–]TheNewGirl_ 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

When it's a brazen as 6 random girls being assaulted in a public place in a single afternoon , yeah it would make the news.

[–]herman_gill 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It often doesn't. It often doesn't even lead to people reporting it to the police, or proper police investigations.

The world is filled with a lot more evil people than you think it is, and many of them have lived within our borders for decades.

[–]a1337noob 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

well in this case the girls came forward which defiantly helps it get reported.

Also the Streisand effect is in full effect here. If the news just reported stuff even-handed without trying to withhold certain facts things of this nature would get less publicity.

[–]TheNewGirl_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Source that sexual assaults made in public places are under reported ?

[–]perogiesCanada 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

'Of every 100 incidents of sexual assault, only 6 are reported to the police'

[–]TheNewGirl_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is of all sexual assault. Including date rape , inter family , etc. Most Canadian offenders do not commit sexual assault in public places bar any type of impulse control disease or other mental health issue. Most offenders groom online , lure or stalk to more secluded areas or abuse close relationships with victims like family members or students. Always careful to conceal their behaviour , because of how deeply our culture reviles that behaviour. The under reported nature of these crimes is direct result of our intolerance to this type of of behaviour, Canadian raised predators understand that they must take care to leave no evidence and conceal their predation. which is one of the major reasons these crimes go unreported , the victim feels they're isn't enough evidence. If you are raised in a culture which places far less stigma on these types of behaviors, you feel far less need to conceal your actions because your less likely to see what you are doing as complete abhorrent. An idea imparted by culture.

[–]Thefrayedends 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The amount of people that are actually convicted of sexual assault or rape compared to the amount of actual sexual assaults and rapes is terrifyingly low. like 6/1000ish.

[–]TheNewGirl_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One the direct causes of that is our cultureds extreme intolerance and revulsion of such activities. Predators raised in our culture understand that what they are doing is abhorrent to the rest of us, which leads to them taking care to conceal and leave as little evidence of their predation as possible. Which in turn leads to one of the biggest reasons victims don't report , they don't feel there is enough evidence to convict their assaulter. A lot of times there isn't. It's an unfortunate consequence of us rightfully being intolerant of sexual predation whilst simultaneously subscribing to the "innocent until proven guilty" ethos.

[–]skratterbugBritish Columbia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

mmmm. great discussion.

[–]aliensattackOntario 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow! I wonder if it was the same culture the white, Canadian boy who sexually assaulted me was from?

/s

[–]Radix2309 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How many instances is this? What is that as a percentage of the population. Cause there have been plenty of authority figures here in the west who have sexually assaulted children.

I am not denying this is occurring, but it is a huge leap to attribute this completely to their culture.

[–]Dwellingov [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How many instances is this?

Well, the most recent event that got this conversation going in Europe was the New Years mass sexual assaults in Germany. It involved 2000 migrants, acting in groups to commit 1200 sexual assaults and at least 24 rapes in seven different cities across Germany in one night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

During the 2015/2016 New Year's Eve celebrations, there were reports of mass sexual assaults, at least 24 rapes, and numerous thefts in Germany, mainly in Cologne city centre. There were similar incidents at the public celebrations in Hamburg, Frankfurt, Dortmund, Düsseldorf, Stuttgart[25] and Bielefeld.[10][26][27] For all of Germany, police report that ~1,200 women were sexually assaulted and estimate that at least 2,000 men were involved, acting in groups.[28]

All of the incidents involved women being surrounded and assaulted by groups of men on the street.[29][30] Police reported that the perpetrators were men of "Arab or North African appearance" and said that Germany had never experienced such mass sexual assaults before.[20][30][31][32][33] The German Federal Criminal Police Office said the incidents were a phenomenon known in some Arab countries as taharrush jamai (translated as "group sexual harassment").[34][35][36] The attacks sparked an international outcry, a debate about women's rights, the sustainability of Germany's asylum policy, and social differences between European societies and those of North Africa and the Middle East. Taking place during the European migrant crisis (see timeline), the attacks also led to a hardening of attitudes against immigration.[37]

Chief Prosecutor Ulrich Bremer stated that "the overwhelming majority" of suspects were asylum seekers and illegal immigrants who had recently arrived in Germany.[38][39] Only a small number of the alleged perpetrators have been identified. By 9 April, police in Cologne had identified 153 suspects, 24 of whom were in investigative custody.[4][5][7][15][40] Almost all of the suspects of the Cologne crimes were non-Germans; two-thirds of them from Morocco or Algeria. 68 suspects were asylum seekers; 18 were residing in Germany illegally, and the legal status of 47 others was unclear. Four suspects were underage, unaccompanied refugees.[7][41][42][43][44][45] By July, four perpetrators had been convicted,[28] and it was reported that half of the 120 outstanding suspects had been in Germany for less than a year,[24] most of them from North Africa.[46]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35261988

What happened during the first hours of 2016 is likely to have a profound impact on the rest of Europe.

Certainly the boldness of the assaults and the sense of a powerless state will haunt the victims, but what has also been lost is trust - the essential glue in any society.

There is now a widely held suspicion that the political elite is not being candid with the German public.

There was the inexplicably bland initial police report describing the evening in Cologne as a "relaxed atmosphere. Celebrations largely peaceful". It was on social media that news of the assaults first seeped out.

It took the better part of a week to acknowledge that asylum seekers were among the suspects.

The police certainly knew the reality of who had been on the streets. On the night some young men had shown police their asylum documents.

An internal police report describes a man telling the police: "I am Syrian. You have to treat me kindly. Mrs Merkel invited me".

What has fuelled the sense of crisis is the suspicion - now widely held - that the German establishment is not telling the truth.

The German public-service broadcaster ZDF did not mention the incidents in Cologne in its broadcast until last Tuesday, four days after the attacks.

The broadcaster has now admitted it was a "clear misjudgement" and says that since then, it has been "over-whelmed with hate and anger".

In parts of social media the idea of a "lying press" has taken root.

Some German papers are quoting police sources saying they are under orders not to report crimes involving refugees.

[–]28Vikings [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

It's almost like there are multiple sexual assaults from immigrants from other countries every year. Its almost like there are multiple sexual assaults from white Christians every year and there is something wrong with the culture itself 🤔

[–]MoosetappropriateCanada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wonder if the headline had read "Spanish Immigrant" as an example, would there have been all this uproar

[–]deathstrukkNova Scotia [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Why are you bringing religion into this?

[–]28Vikings [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

It's was an example of categorizing a large group of people based on individuals action. No different than saying raping children is a Muslim cultural thing.

[–]deathstrukkNova Scotia [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Have you read the Quran thats literally something the prophet has done?

[–]28Vikings [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I assume you are referring to the prophets marriage to a 9 year old? You know the estimated time period that took place was around 610 CE right? A time when the life expectancy was unbelievably low and it was a norm for people to marry that young. Just because it is in the Quran doesn't mean that it would still be supported by Muslims today. Just because Abraham offers up his daughters to the men of his city in Story of Isaac does not mean all Christians/Jewish people condone the rape of children. Extremists are the people who take everything they read in these readings as gospel but it is unfair to group all Muslim people with these extremists.

And if you are unfamiliar with the story of Isaac here is a direct quote : "Look, I have two daughters who have not known a man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please"

[–]deathstrukkNova Scotia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Christianity has been reformed, Islam has not

[–]Dwellingov [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He didn't marry her when she was nine. He married her when she was six. He consummated the marriage when she was nine. When he was 53.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

Aisha's age at the time she was married to Muhammad has been of interest since the earliest days of Islam, and references to her age by early historians are frequent.[11] According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad with the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old.[10][11][12][13][14][23][24][25] For example, Sahih al-Bukhari states that Aisha narratated that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

[–]itchyscratchy4545 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, white people never rape...

[–]deathstrukkNova Scotia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

thats not my point at all, these immigrants are from a culture that will punish the victims of sexual assault more than the culprits. If this happened in their home country the guy would get a slap on the wrist and the girls would be shamed for tempting him, if that is a culture you stand up for then I don't even know what to believe

[–]I-Seek-To-Understand 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (30子コメント)

I would say something, but I am genuinely scared to voice my opinion on Muslims in Canada. I don't think we are far from people going to jail for voicing their opinion on the religion that wants to "defeat" us. This is a culture that does not want to assimilate, how can that in any way be good for us?

I have been watching this country slowly turn into something it never was before.

Our leaders are taking us down a dark path.

[–]pesd [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

a lot of people forget about ex-muslims who feel the need to criticize islam. i'd love to see how "islamophobia" laws deal with those people.

in case you haven't realized it, the establishment is perpetuating slow white genocide. you need to speak up while you still can.

[–]HumanRevert [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's one thing that worries me. Muslims will use this law to silence us ex-Muslims.

[–]falciovalmazCanada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How badly do you want to feel like the victim that you would use the phrase white genocide. That's such bullshit. There's no such thing going on in Canada, no white people are being killed or sterilized or anything which would remove them from the genepool or come anywhere near the definition of genocide

[–]DarthPunOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't like how they're tiptoeing around it. It's a blasphemy law, nothing less. Just this time instead of making it illegal to criticize Christianity, it will be illegal to criticize Islam.

[–]itchyscratchy4545 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, like that French boy that killed 6 people in Quebec. Maybe the "French culture", "Male culture" and "white culture" want to "defeat" us too?

[–]wankershankerflanker [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Untrue, many Muslims do want to assimilate and become a peaceful group of our culture. The issues is the one that don't are loud, and are the ones that our leaders listen to, not the ones whom love this country for giving them the ability to be themselves as long as they do not harm others.

[–]monkey_sage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have met a few that do, some that have assimilated and continue to do so. Good guys.

I've met more who refuse to.

[–]Radix2309 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

This is 1 incident out of how many? And how does that compare to our rate? There is a lot of fear-mongering and not a lot of facts.

[–]TrashCarryPlayer [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Paris and Germany said the same thing.

Now they are closing the doors completely.

[–]DarthPunOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think we are far from people going to jail for voicing their opinion on the religion that wants to "defeat" us.

So close that very issue is going to be debated on the House floor next week

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m103-islamophobia-khalid-motion-1.3972194

[–]black_cat_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it's important to frame the conversation in the right way.

Saying "I hate and oppose all Muslims" is wrong. There are hundreds of thousands of good, moral, respectable Muslims in Canada who are trying to bring their religion into the 21st century. Saying "I hate and oppose the ideology of Islam" is not wrong. It's exactly the same as saying "I hate and oppose the ideology of Nazism" or "I hate and oppose the ideology of Scientology". All entrenched beliefs held by any group of people must remain open for intellectual debate and scrutiny by rational minds. That is the entire principled objective of free speech.

That's why I object to the term "islamophobia". Phobia implies fear, which implies irrationality. My immense dislike of Islam is based almost purely on rationality.

[–]garlicroastedpotato 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Everyone's worried about the victims but will no one think of the poor rapists? Oh wait what, no one cares about the victims and they're only worried about the rapists. Oh. Okay. All is fine then.... I guess

[–]wankershankerflanker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I for one hope that the victims get justice and help for what this guy did.

[–]cookie_nrk 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (51子コメント)

Nice, the CBC has found a way to turn this into a poor discriminated refugees story. Failing to even mention the trauma the underage girls will probably feel for the rest of their lives. FUUUUUCK YOU CBC! and Trudeau.

[–]Amphibialrabies69Alberta 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Has any article about any sexual assault ever mention the physiological effects it'll have on the victim? I know it is fun to bitch about CBC because no one here can read articles to see that it did say his name and that he was a refugee but come on.

I took a look through CTV Edmonton, Global Edmonton, and the Edmonton Sun. All three being right wing news agencies, all three that would love to make refugees look bad and not one of them has mentioned the psychological damage this will have done to the girls. CTV and the Sun never reported that it was a refugee, none of them mentioned in the title of the article that it was a refugee or what his name is.

I really don't understand the CBC bashing because they seem to have reported more on the entire issue than anyone else. So I'm going to sum this up to you being someone who jumps on assumptions without putting any thought into it at all.

[–]__Kill__Yourself__ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So in other words, all Canadian mainstream media is garbage, right?

[–]Plum-pants 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They did during the ghomeshi trial...

[–]Amphibialrabies69Alberta 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So one very highly publicized trial? You know there is more than one sexual assault a year right?

[–]Avooters 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All depends if they want to demonize the accused or not.

[–]herpderpgg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

the trauma is already known. Besides, there is only so much you can write about people who cannot even be named or interviewed.

[–]pesd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the point is that they're trying to paint refugees in a good light, when we know from the stories we hear from europe, they're not and we don't expect the canadian government to import "good" refugees either.

[–]SwirlyCloudsOfDoom -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (42子コメント)

And what of the 99.9% of Canadians who commit sex crimes?

[–]aberthin 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you mean that 99.9% of sex crimes are by Canadians, not that 99.9% of Canadians commit sex crimes.

[–]TheNewGirl_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

99.99% of Canadian sex offenders don't feel brazen enough to assault 6 random girls in a public place in a single afternoon. Most Canadian sex offenders baring any type impulse control illness or other underlying mental issues don't assault people in public. They lure , groom them online, stalk them to a secluded area , or are in a close relationship with the victim like a family member or student. Always the predator is careful to conceal their behavior, and why is that ? Because our culture deeply reviles such behaviour. If you're from a culture that places less stigma on such behaviour you end up feeling way less of a need to conceal your actions because you're more likely to think what you're doing isn't absolutely abhorrent. An idea you get from your culture.

[–]cookie_nrk 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (9子コメント)

They are pieces of shit too. But tell me, the CBC reporting that the refugees status and name should not have been reported due to possible discrimination and hate is ok why??? Why should every one elses name be published who commits these crimes, but not a Syrian refugee? This has absolutely nothing to do with the crime that was commited, it was about the media's response and certain members of the muslim community, and how they twisted the narrative to completely disregard the victims of the crime and turn it into a race/religion issue.

[–]Amphibialrabies69Alberta 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Holy fuck people. Is everyone just assuming they didn't report it. The CBC did report his name and that he was a refugee. Not even the Sun, a right wing paper reported that it was a refugee. People need to start reading fucking articles. It's insane how few people read the articles.

[–]cookie_nrk 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

you are absolutely wrong, the CBC only came out and covered the story after getting shit on for not reporting it.

PROOF:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsv9v8imME

[–]spoonbeak 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm patiently awaiting /u/Amphibialrabies69's response...

[–]Amphibialrabies69Alberta [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I did, so enjoy. By the way the Rebel isn't a source. So your both morons.

[–]cookie_nrk [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

you and me both.

[–]Grandvolume [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Honestly, I don't think he has to reply, the fact that you're quoting "The Rebel" as fact already proves you're an idiot.

[–]cookie_nrk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the video states the facts of which news outlets reported on the waterpark incident and more importantly when. CBC only reported 2 days after the other ones. please refute the facts located in the video, or are you just going to say it's a lie because rebel? sounds like im not the idiot but ok....

[–]Amphibialrabies69Alberta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'm not even going to bother watching anything by Rebel media. Seriously, age you dense? Rebel media is your source? The news agency that makes shit up. CBC literally reported the name in the article. They updated it within the hour.

http://m.edmontonsun.com/2017/02/08/man-charged-after-teen-girls-report-sexual-assaults-at-mall-waterpark

Here is the Sun, no mention at all that it was a refugee.

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/man-facing-sexual-assault-charges-after-incidents-at-wem-water-park-1.3276320

Here is CTV, no mention that it was a refugee. Where is your outrage on both of them? Or do you only spin stories to fit your incorrect narrative?

[–][deleted] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (19子コメント)

This sex crime was 100% avoidable. If he wasnt here it wouldnt have happened. So unfortunatly the fact that he is a refugee is relevant to the story.

[–]FlickrPaul -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (18子コメント)

What if he was left handed, does that mean we should remove all left handed people? (because you seem to be using some seriously failed logic if you think it was avoidable)

So until you can show that refuges commit crimes at higher rates that native born people your claim baseless and without merit, as there would be no reason not to let the ones who have passed the vetting process in.

[–][deleted] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (16子コメント)

if he wasnt here it wouldn't have happened right? there for it was 100% avoidable. i dont see how you dont understand that.

Edit: take a look at sweden and germany. if their refugees are causing serious problems why wouldnt ours?

[–]Canadian_Weatherman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

We tend to vet them. Europe just tends to just let them in. But even the problem in Europe is overblown anyways.

Germany knows this, which is why something like 85 percent of the population is still ready to vote for pro-refugee parties.

I suggest being mindful of how one negative event perpetuates stereotypes

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[–]FlickrPaul 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

if he wasnt here it wouldn't have happened right? there for it was 100% avoidable. i dont see how you dont understand that.

Ah I get it now, so you are saying if we ban all right wing nut jobs from Canada we would have prevented the Mosque shoot in QC.

if their refugees are causing serious problems why wouldnt ours?

Maybe because they can not just walk into Canada.

[–]perogiesCanada 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The amount of bigotry and barely concealed racism in this thread is pretty appalling. I didn't realize we had so many fearful little pussies in this country.

[–]TrashCarryPlayer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll take Asian / African / Latino migrants that don't commit terrorist attacks.

[–]TheAgeofKiteBritish Columbia 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (36子コメント)

What love is that we comment yet have no idea if the rate of crimes by refugees is higher than the baseline Canadian. I've met some pretty filthy Canadians with abhorrent views and behaviors who should certainly be behind bars.

[–]qwimjim 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Someone linked a study that showed Arab immigrants were 4.5 times more likely to commit sexual assaults in Sweden. I don't have the link though but yeah, who knows what it is in Canada

[–]TheAgeofKiteBritish Columbia 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's not a proper comparison at all, they have a huge swath of unvetted asylum seekers.

[–]imatrapper 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

[–]TheAgeofKiteBritish Columbia 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's clear you don't understand the difference between those that landed in Sweden and those that got accepted into Canada, but hey, whatever helps your narrative.

[–]imatrapper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Explain it to me then.

Take into account how the CBSA and RCMP have said the background checks were useless.

Go. I really want to hear how pointless vetting ensured we have a better quality refugee here.

[–]TheAgeofKiteBritish Columbia 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://globalnews.ca/news/2349421/heres-how-refugees-are-screened-before-arriving-in-canada/ It's the exact same process for ANY person trying to get into Canada and is a system that has been in place for a long time. Nothing new, nothing special, nobody complained back then cause it worked. edit - Basically, if we have a problem, the problem would be ALL immigrants are not properly done. Nothing special about the Syrians.

[–]TheAgeofKiteBritish Columbia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You realize that was Harper's fuck up right? And it is in addition to the vetting process?

[–]imatrapper 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who do you think is doing the vetting? What do you think is the vetting if not a background check?

[–]FlickrPaul 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (14子コメント)

[–]TrashCarryPlayer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Name me 1 European country that is safer because of Islamic migration.

[–]FlickrPaul 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Right after you can name me one North American country that is less safe.

As for some reason you are not able to understand the fundamental differences between the two and see them as equal.

[–]TrashCarryPlayer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Answer my question. Which European country right now after taking in massive Islamic refugees is more safe?

The answer is zero. Yes or no.

[–]ilikeorangutans 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Define safer. Safer for whom? Is that in number of crimes per capita? number of crimes in total? Number of specific types of crime? Reported crime? Suspected crime? Are you including crimes against refugees or immigrants?

Without having any numbers I'd say having more people means more crime. That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the people that you are adding.

[–]FlickrPaul 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which province in Canada is less safe because of a white right wing terrorists?

[–]TrashCarryPlayer [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

"Name me 1 European country that is safer because of Islamic migration."

Gonna keep asking this until you realize you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

[–]FlickrPaul [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Also, what is an Islamic migration?

Please explain this to me, are these peoples refuges because of religious persecution?

Statistically we are less safe in Canada because of a christian, should we also be blocking them?

[–]imatrapper 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Discussion is about refugees: posts information about immigrants, the vast majority of which are not refugees and tend to be from upper echelons of the societies they come from.

[–]DarthPunOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

America is very, very different bird than Canada though. For starters, America has an enormous amount of gun crime compared to Canada. They also have a serious urban, predominantly black violent crime problem that we simply don't have here.

[–]pesd [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They are higher for refugees. Just look at europe. They're years ahead into this "experiment" than canada is. The crime rate is very high and worst of all the government is trying to hide it as well as the media. it's normal practice to blur the face of the criminal if they're a foreigner.

so watch out, because canada's government is following a similar pattern to europe's. crime statistics may not be reliable from them. just a few days ago, a sweden police officer came out with a facebook post talking about how many "non-swedish" criminals he's processed and he's infuriated with the mass immigration. he's currently being persecuted by the swedish establishment, so let that sink in for a bit.

[–]TheAgeofKiteBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is garbage, you literally don't know what you are talking about. All the Syrians we received have been screen by the exact same screening we have been doing for years for all other nations and nobody complained because it works. Those refugees in Europe are using international law that states if ANY individual sets foot on your territory and requests asylum due to conflict or threat to their safety you must must provide protection until they can return home or be found a permanent residence. Once those refugees entered the Schengen Area they had free access to anywhere in Europe. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT ISSUE. Gawd. edit - We also have a limited amount of refugees from Syria coming in, Europe did not have that option.

[–]DarthPunOntario [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I think it is somewhat irrelevant (although I would like know, but unfortunately Canada has banned the gathering of such statistics). Just because we have bad people already here doesn't mean we should bring in slightly less bad people as well. It's simply adding fuel to the fire.

[–]TheAgeofKiteBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That does not compute. Our immigration rate has been the same since 1992, the system vets ALL people from ALL nations the same. They literally could have come anyways and you would not have known about it and you probably don't know about it cause we have immigrants coming from other bad nations ALL THE FREAKIN TIME! http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/91-003-x/91-003-x2014001-eng.pdf?contentType=application%2Fpdf You want page 29.

[–]DarthPunOntario [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Refugees are not screened like economic immigrants are and the system clearly sucks anyways.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-refugee-screening-1.3536104

And that still doesn't defeat my point.

[–]TheAgeofKiteBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You do realize that is not that actual screening process right? Also it's discriminatory to have statistics on Canadians that happen to be immigrants, so it's actually illegal. You can have statistic on those who are not yet Canadians, but not those that are. If our system needs work, that's fine, there is always room for improvement, but that has no bearing on Syrians, that has bearing on the system.

[–]sovietrussiabear 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a daily occurrence in Europe, migrants are responsible, extreme vetting for all incoming refugees is a necessity.

[–]m3ltph4ce 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If it turns out there was any way the government should have known about thus guys potential I'm going to be pissed

[–]pesd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the government, and just about anyone, knows how women are treated in islamic cultures, so yes the government did know that shit like this was going to happen. believe it or not, they wanted it to.

btw in case you're not culturally enriched enough, pedophilia is actually quite normal in afghanistan.

[–]Lupinfujiko [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well actually no, he's not "completely right".

  1. There were fewer than 40,000 Syrian refugees.
  2. There have been more incidents than one. (Not reported by CBC)
  3. And it's only barely been one year.

Let's talk in two years time. How about that? Let's see how this works out. In two years let's revisit this debate and see where the statistics fall.

[–]mcjagga 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

'It's not relevant to the story' - CBC

[–]letushaveadiscussion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Except they reported on it...

[–]mcjagga 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That was a quote CBC wrote in the article. Bolded and highlighted.

[–]letushaveadiscussion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Whats your point then?

[–]mcjagga 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

CBC obvs doesn't think we should report Syrian crime here. Keep up.

[–]letushaveadiscussion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When did they say that?

[–]mcjagga 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read the article and find out.

[–]adress933 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

one out out 40000 refugee is not a bad crime rate.... If one out forty thousand aka 1/40000 = 0.000025 is what we have to deal with to be an empathetic nation, I say let more refugees in.

[–]VillageSlicker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Volunteer yourself and your children to get railed by a bunch of refugees.

[–]perogiesCanada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get out of here with your logic and numbers! Seriously though, you're completely right.

[–]PsychoTHErapist_ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

OUT! OUT! OUT!

[–]VerrazionOntario 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm all for a discussion on immigration but all you're doing is parroting a meme from T_d that has no discussion value whatsoever. I can't speak for everyone, but I certainly don't want that kind of immaturity leaking into our subreddit.

[–]perogiesCanada 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Read the comments in this thread. These ideas are a lot more prevalent in Canada than we'd like to think. It's disheartening.

[–]VerrazionOntario 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Follow a bunch of the usernames. A fair bit of the people here are frequent posters on T_d.

[–]perogiesCanada 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully the mods are aware of potential brigading from that sub.

[–]Weirdmantis -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (42子コメント)

Trudeau needs to personally apologize to the families of these poor girls. His virtue signaling has destroyed these girls lives and he needs to pay for it

[–]perogiesCanada 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (31子コメント)

Here are the sexual assault and rape statistics in Canada. Should Trudeau apologize for all those too? Your comment is ignorant and uninformed.

[–]mcjagga 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So it's mostly natives. That's disturbing.

[–]Lolawolf 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Deport the Natives!

[–]protanoa1 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ship 'em back where they.... wait...

[–]The_shitty_london 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

baçk across the land bridge with em! we will rebuild the land bridge, deport the indians and then build a wall!

[–]Dollface_KillahOntario 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

57% of aboriginal women have been sexually abused

Because people will read your comment and infer that "it's mostly Natives" commiting the sexual assaults.

[–]hotrodfantasy -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

His only response will be to bring in more refugees. Disgraceful.

[–]diego_moitaAlberta -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It seems /r/the_donald must have been very boring lately, since all the racists are now flooding /r/canada.

[–]__Kill__Yourself__ 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

TIL not liking pedos that molest multiple children in broad daylight makes you racist. Pedos are a race!

[–]itchyscratchy4545 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Men commit most of these violent crimes. Can we ban and deport all men? It's clearly a culture problem. Something inherently wrong with men.

[–]TrashCarryPlayer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It seems the left don't care about little girls that just got sexually assaulted.

What do you have to say to those underaged girls and their parents?

[–]diego_moitaAlberta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have to say that justice will be done, that the psycho will be punished as it is fit and that we are very fortunate to leave in a country where we can hope for justice.

Now, to you and all the racists in this thread I have to say:

"Him" is not "them".

Alexandre Bissonnette is not "all Canadians".

One Syrian refugee is not all Syrian refugees.

"The left" is not what you think it is.

But I don't expect racists to understand what they don't want to understand.

[–]critfistBritish Columbia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's utterly unsurprising. These incidents have been happening in Europe for years and years yet nobody listened. And now we're suddenly surprised when it happens to us.

[–]Lupinfujiko [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know what's really strange about this for me? Feminists went after Jian Ghomeshi like he was the freaking anti-christ. Even after all of the evidence was found to be lying or at least grossly exaggerated; and even after he was exonerated. And he was the son of an immigrant!

So fine. You want to eradicate sexual violence against women. I get it. I'm with you there.

But then, these are the same people defending these assaults.

It makes no sense. It just logically makes absolutely no sense. Where are the feminists here? How are they defending this? Why are they not calling this out?