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[–]oriaxxxsalt is completely vegan 183 ポイント184 ポイント  (2子コメント)

as usual, the drama comes from inside the house. never change, srd 😘

[–]tuturuatuOnly here for the meta-drama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's why I came into the comments on this one :D

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    [–]Murky_RedYou should NEVER get off on a customer 325 ポイント326 ポイント  (59子コメント)

    I thought it was a self deprecating joke about how they can't (but should) remember pronouns, but I guess it is ambiguous enough to be an insult as well.

    [–]abyss6 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    That's kinda how I interpreted it as well. I have a recently come out trans sister and she makes jokes like this a lot. No matter how open you are, you're still going to make slip ups like that occasionally just out of habit.

    I think the original person was well meaning, especially seeing as they're no where else to be seen in that thread that everyone takes as full season to jump on the painter.

    [–]TheIrish 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I thought you were making an elaborate transistor pun to match the music joke. Turns out I can't read.

    [–]SleepingWithRyans 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "The Transistors" would be a great name for an all trans electronic music group

    [–]Subpars0up [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I make love to my transister and my transparency from the balcony

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      [–]MayorEmanuelPowered by shitposts 432 ポイント433 ポイント  (18子コメント)

      The joke is that guitars use feminine pronouns but because of the paint job it's been changed to masculine. I don't think it's transphobic just kind of flippant.

      [–]Murky_RedYou should NEVER get off on a customer 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oooh, thanks!

      [–]crudelegend*Casual Popcorn Eating* 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Also, beaut-he = beauty phonetically. So it was a two for one on the pun.

      "She's a beaut-he."

      [–]Bragintondon 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't think that's intended at all. Saying "She's a beaut" is a really common way to say that.

      [–]theclassicoversharer 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Man, that is another really good example of how people can read into things that weren't intended.

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          [–]k9centipede 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          I thought it was because guitars are traditionally referred as female, a transgender guitar would be male.

          [–]Dollface_KillahSTOP TOUCHING ME 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          This is the entirety of the joke. OP's reaction was way off key.

          [–]Solomontheidiot 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          way off key

          I C what you did there...

          [–]Dollface_KillahSTOP TOUCHING ME 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          I did fret no one would notice.

          [–]crichmond77 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Man, you're really stringing this out.

          [–]LGBTLibrarianThe Artist Formerly Known As canyoufeelme [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          The first one hit a chord but they really should scale it back, the effect is diminished without an interval

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              [–]Camoral 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Seriously. The joke was obviously in good will. If the poster had something against trans people, wouldn't they refuse to correct themselves?

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                [–]wheezesgo back to your cuckshed 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (48子コメント)

                Damn you, I was just about to post this.

                Sadly, in transforming that thing from a Telecaster to an Esquire, she has made it a less functional instrument.

                [–]jo3 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                in transforming that thing from a Telecaster to an Esquire, she has made it a less functional instrument.

                Eh...some would see it as streamlining the functionality that they're after. If all you use is the bridge pickup, why bother with all the extra wiring/pots?

                [–]Falodir 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Esquires have a certain charm to them. As much as I like the neck pickup on a nice Tele, there is something to be said for eking out different sounds from that lone single coil.

                That said, currently I don't have much use for a telecaster. My SG Special fills most of my needs, and I only really ever switch away from it if I need something with a flatter neck for faster stuff.

                If I were to ever own a trans pride flag emblazoned guitar, it probably would be a telecaster. With jumbo frets, all maple neck, the heaviest body I could muster, a pair of Bareknuckle Warpigs and some kind of locking bridge / Evertune so I could thrash on it a bit harder. Probably get one that was already worse for wear and really make it savage. Paint it up and add my own weathering effects. Giant iron tacks / nails around the front edge of the body, metal pick guard with heat discolouration...

                I would basically turn it into a fire breathing dragon of an instrument. I have trans pride, but I'm also metal as fuck.

                [–]blasto_blastocyst 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I would steal your guitar and only play soft jazz hits on it because I'm as punk as fuck.

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                  [–]Cone_Zombie[S] 168 ポイント169 ポイント  (42子コメント)

                  You do realize it's a really fucked up thing to say? Also, did you just assume this guitar's model? It may have been born a Les Paul for fucks sake.

                  [–]wheezesgo back to your cuckshed 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                  I do dig the paint job.

                  [–]DuapDuapAnita Sarkeesian is my waifu 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                  Yeah it looks good. The GSM community tends to invent great color schemes.

                  [–]SpaceCopLovesHotDogs🚀👮❤️🌭 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                  The guitar something mod community?

                  [–]PolishRobinHood 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Gender and sexual minorities

                  [–]SpaceCopLovesHotDogs🚀👮❤️🌭 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Oh, nice. That's a lot shorter than the other acronym.

                  [–]DuapDuapAnita Sarkeesian is my waifu 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                  GSM = Gender and Sexual Minorities. I can never remember all the letters for the other thing, saw this one and started using it instead.

                  [–]arguewithatree(((empathy))) 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  I like its simplicity but unfortunately it was coined by a pedo to try and shoehorn pedophilia in with legitimate sexualities :/

                  [–]Squid_Vicious_IV 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  unfortunately it was coined by a pedo to try and shoehorn pedophilia in with legitimate sexualities

                  Oh for fucksake really? I just recently learned GSM and I kinda like it.

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                    [–]quincycheese300 confirmed shills 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Gender and Sexual Minorities

                    [–]SarcasticOptimist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Grenache Syrah and Mourverde.

                    In all seriousness, Polish Robin Hood got it right. Also, that guitar does look great.

                    [–]FlukeHawkinssjw op bungo pls nerf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'd be terrified to drop the decanter if I poured like that.

                    [–]aceavengersmake america cuck again 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    Dudes just say LGBT. the pedophiles and bdsm people have taken over GSM so we as a community dont like to use it anymore.

                    [–]Dollface_KillahSTOP TOUCHING ME 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Everyone I know in Toronto just says 'queer' but I feel that has more negative connotations in the U.S. so I don't use it online.

                    [–]aceavengersmake america cuck again 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    It does yeah. Basically you can use queer to describe yourself, if you're lgbt you can use queer to describe the community and other people but it's a gray area because some lgbt dont like the word, but the straights aren't allowed to use it.

                    [–]rexlibris 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Really? I guess I missed the memo. Any examples of this.

                    /serious

                    [–]aceavengersmake america cuck again 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I dont have links or anything. I just know that some ppl decided not to use it (me included) because a few pedophiles and not actual lgbt people were using it since they considered themselves 'sexual minorities'.

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                        [–]Probably_wrong_AMA 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I don't like the matte paint job. I prefer acrylic paints or natural wood finish. But it's not terrible.

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                                [–]Oxus007Recreationally Offended[M] 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                Don't shoehorn unrelated drama, post history stalk. We're here to laugh at drama, not grandstand.

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                                  [–]Person842 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Did he really go "educate yourself shitlord"?

                                  [–]Dollface_KillahSTOP TOUCHING ME [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                  Never heard shitlord used unironically? The people who mock the term weren't the ones who popularized it.

                                  [–]NSNick 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Man, beezlebong pretty much nailed it with this comment.

                                  [–]Dutch_WilkersonOstensibly Hitler 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                  I hate people that say "that's so offensive, Google a little thing called Xphobia to find out why". That's not going to help me, I know what Xphobia is.

                                  All googling it will do is give me a contextless definition that still probably won't help me understand why what I've said or done is particularly offensive.

                                  If you're going to take the time to engage someone being rude (and they aren't being so deliberately offensive that you shouldn't engage with them anyway), then at least explain to them what makes that particular joke or statement offensive in context.

                                  Telling someone to Google something vague and abstract like that is going to result in then doing nothing to educate themselves. I know in many cases it isn't "your job" but someone has to be the bigger person and this is how you defeat ignorance. Education. Its a part of what makes forums like these so special.

                                  [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 445 ポイント446 ポイント  (246子コメント)

                                  Honestly there's probably more blatant transphobia on Reddit to pick a fight over, I'm pretty sure thats a bad joke.

                                  But man oh fucking man, people cannot stand to be told that a joke is offensive and they shouldn't tell it.

                                  [–]LlysJust another ignorant psi. 217 ポイント218 ポイント  (76子コメント)

                                  To be fair I took it as a very innocuous joke. Although I think it's safe to say that it might have hit me differently had I been transgender.

                                  Edit: Fixed from "a transgender" to just "transgender". Grammar is definitely not my strong subject.

                                  [–]aceavengersmake america cuck again 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  Fyi so you're aware it's not 'a transgender'. Transgender is an adjective not a noun so it's just "had I been transgender".

                                  [–]LlysJust another ignorant psi. 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Apologies for that. I was on lunch, a bit tired, and wasn't thinking.

                                  [–]Oxus007Recreationally Offended 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Look. Calm discourse works!

                                  [–]LlysJust another ignorant psi. 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Look. Calm discourse works!

                                  Wrong! Never happened. Fake News.

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                                    [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 166 ポイント167 ポイント  (47子コメント)

                                    I mean, im trans. It def ticked me off, like yeah misgendering isnt something that is funny to me. That being said, I took it more as a Michael Scott trying to be funny and not realizing how it could be offensive.

                                    It was all the people dogpiling on with the "HOW DARE YOU BE OFFENDED" that are just so tiring and pathetic.

                                    [–]Jean-Valjean 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    I had a question if you don't mind! When someone says they are a "trans man" does that mean that they are ftm or mtf?

                                    [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Of course I dont mind!

                                    A trans man would be someone who is ftm. Think of it as "I transitioned to a man." In general, people label themselves as their own gender, and trans or cis is just describing how they might have gotten there.

                                    [–]Mr_Evildoom 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    It means they were assigned female at birth but identify as a man.

                                    [–]Wild_Marker 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                    To be fair, OP wasn't just offended, he/she was kind of an ass about it.

                                    [–]SHFFLE 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yeah, I think this is the thing to notice. Like, I don't really like the way a lot of the comments in that thread go. I mean, granted, I personally am not as fussy about pronouns as some, long as someone isn't blatantly being an asshole about it, but I thought the joke was just like /u/Vivaldist said - a joke that wasn't ill-intentioned, just maybe not well-thought-out, but OP's response felt overly condescending and aggressive. Even when OP is trying to explain their position and how their response wasn't, they didn't really help their own case with the response.

                                    [–]SoMuchMoreEagle 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    This. If OP had phrased it differently, there would have been little to no drama. "Hey, I know you were probably just trying to make a joke and didn't mean anything by it, but just so you know...." etc.

                                    If people are ignorant, educate them. Hostility just breeds more hostility.

                                    Now if a person is intentionally being offensive or a jerk, then have at them.

                                    [–]InfinitelyThirsting 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    Have you ever had a bad day where a bunch of tiny things all go wrong, and no one of them is bad on their own, but eventually you snap and seem to overreact to the one thing, when it's really to three dozen things? Have you heard of the concept of the "straw that broke the camel's back"?

                                    That's why people try to talk about microaggressions. It's really easy to phrase something like that once or twice, to be optimistic a few times. But when you're drowning in it, all day, every day, it becomes overwhelming.

                                    [–]_watchingsub mod shillionaire 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    This is why I don't want to judge OP, but that doesn't mean it's effective discourse or not predictably gonna start drama.

                                    [–]Dollface_KillahSTOP TOUCHING ME [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                    Microaggressions is one of those words that's really useful and concise, but I can't use it in everyday conversation without people flipping out.

                                    [–]lolasaurusrex1234 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    Fuck that, /r/guitar jerks off 24/7/365 about good gear, custom jobs etc.

                                    OP posts literally one of the best posts on the sub this week from a technical standpoint, displays a serious amount of gearhead chops, and displays good humour throughout the rest of the thread, but no, the top post just has to be a joke about trans people.

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                                      [–]wonkothesane13 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      So, as someone who isn't trans, but is an ally, the joke struck me more as pointing out the silliness of assigning gender to things like a guitar. Historically, guitars have been regarded as female, for whatever reason, and so "she's a beauty" was a pretty typical thing for someone to say. Because the paint job is trans-themed, I think they were using that phrase to point out that the guitar doesn't have a gender, by being "unsure" of whether or not the guitar itself is trans.

                                      That's how I took it, anyway. I'm not trying to tell anyone that they're wrong to be offended.

                                      [–]Comrade_Falcon 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yeah, I think it was just playing on the fact that many people (i.e. most) still struggle to properly assign correct pronouns to trans-gendered people. So like you said, guitars and objects of value are often women; however, as in the context of the joke the guitar is trans-gendered (FTM) so he makes the mistake of calling it a she like people do with guitars, cars, planes, whatever, and corrects the pronoun slip. Of course that joke requires about a tenth of the effort I have put into this comment so I really don't see the point in deconstructing it beyond it being a simple dad-joke, yet here I am doing that.

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                                        [–]LlysJust another ignorant psi. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        It was all the people dogpiling on with the "HOW DARE YOU BE OFFENDED" that are just so tiring and pathetic.

                                        I get that and everyone is allowed to feel however they want, but I really think there was a better way to go about it especially if something offends you. Once you start off hostile and aggressive it's hard to go back to civilized conversation. Had they taken a different approach I doubt there would have been any issues.

                                        [–]Kheyman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                        Hi, I'm curious. Why do trans-idividuals get upset about misgendering? Is the outrage only when people deliberately misgender transgender individuals, or even when it is by accident? It is a little hard for me to understand, as it doesn't bother me when people label me as something that I'm not. This remains true even if I've worked hard to earn a particular label that they refuse to address me with.

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                                            [–]JaKarrTheGOAT 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                            The problem is the dozens of people responding to the offended party with blatant transohobia

                                            [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                            Definitely. Its bizarre how peoples reaction to being told a joke is tasteless or offensive is to double down and be more offensive and hostile.

                                            Rather than just, oh, idk, apologizing or asking for clarification.

                                            [–]TheYellowBadger6 stages of REEEE 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                            A lot of people on this site seem to think that it's a moral imperative to be as much of an asshole as possible just because they can. They think it's "fighting PC culture" or "defending free speech" or something like that, when really it's just being an asshole to someone.

                                            [–]OIPTop 500 Straight Male [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                            They think it's "fighting PC culture" or "defending free speech" or something like that, when really it's just being an asshole to someone.

                                            and on the flipside, 'being PC' is almost always on a micro level just 'not being an asshole' which makes it weird it's constantly framed as some scary thought policing

                                            [–]Brover_ClevelandAs with all things, I blame Ellen Pao. [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                            There's a common misunderstanding I think. Many people don't seem to get that when they're told, "hey that joke is transphobic," it doesn't mean, "you're a bad person." All it means is the person may not have realized just how offensive what they said is and for many that's understandable. However because they feel like they've been called a bad person they double down and attack. In this case it probably didn't help that OP got hostile but for a trans person it's probably difficult to always take the high road. Of course some people are just dicks but that isn't something that is going to change.

                                            [–]LGBTLibrarianThe Artist Formerly Known As canyoufeelme [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                            You just know so many people have gone into their first job thinking that attitude is normal and said something really stupid to their boss or in front of a customer and used free speech as an excuse

                                            [–]icepho3nixRetarded Hobgoblin, Stupid Hamplanet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                            I'm not so sure a sizable number of them have had first jobs.

                                            [–]leadnpotatoesIs both a liberal bastard & a liberal bastard, & proud of it. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                            Can we call this "South-parkism"?

                                            [–]InternetWeakGuySocial Revenge Front Line [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                            They think it's "fighting PC culture" or "defending free speech" or something like that, when really it's just being an asshole to someone.

                                            I heard that Milo prick on the radio the other day. I was expecting him to be a well spoken white supremacist relaying dangerous ideas in a way that brought out people's hidden biases.... But he was just an asshole. He wasn't even well spoken, he just has an english accent. Basically all these trumpeters have a guy as their second figurehead in command that's an asshole, with no insight or nuance, that's got an accent.

                                            I was almost disappointed.

                                            [–]Paremo 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            I personally don't think the OPs reply warranted an apology in response.

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                                                [–]Tribalrage24 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                I totally agree, and I think OP only fanned the flames by using a more condescending aggressive approach. If they said had something along the lines of "Hey, I know you didn't mean to be offensive or anything but little jabs like this can sometimes belittle serious issues that are really important to people like myself... etc." it would have gotten fewer angry responses. But opening with "that's totally fucked up to say", and then proceeding to have a "you need to educate yourself" and "you're not welcome here" attitude, only serves to put most people defensive from the get-go.

                                                Edit: some grammar mistakes

                                                [–]iSeven 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                you're not welcome here

                                                I think this is what threw me the most. She acts like the ultimate gatekeeper for /r/Guitar when, as far as I can tell, /r/Guitar doesn't have any rules against pretty innocuous jokes.

                                                Honestly, I thought the joke was funny, but if I didn't there's far better ways of convincing someone than to come out the gate aggressive.

                                                [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Trans people, in the US especially, are going through some shit right now. I think giving some understanding to that may explain why someone would be on edge.

                                                [–]AnAntichristIt's about ethics in popcorn 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Why can't trans people ever get angry? Why do we have to treat transphobia and bigots so nicely? I'm sick of this pc bullshit. Trans phones shouldn't be welcome. At all. They should be taught that they're wrong.

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                                                  [–]woeskies 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                  It also might be because the person responded like an asshole

                                                  [–]Dickwolf520 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  Yeah, and the joke didn't seem like an insult. This sub is extremely biased.

                                                  [–]woeskies 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  The top post is literally acting like the person is not trans when they have previously posted to ftm. Smugposting at its finest

                                                  [–]Dickwolf520 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Seriously. I was reading that thread like "oh man this person is an asshole" then I came here and everyone's on their side. I knew this sub had very specific ideals but god damn this is a bit crazy.

                                                  [–]bytewake 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  at least our lord and savior Oxus came in to smite that down in a hurry

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                                                    [–]jfa1985"valuable discussion" 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    There are people that will argue that a joke is not a joke unless it is offensive on some level.

                                                    [–]kwidem 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    "If, after hearing my songs, just one human being is inspired to say something nasty to a friend, or perhaps to strike a loved one, it will all have been worth the while."

                                                    • Tom Lehrer

                                                    [–]KargBartok 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    We need a new Tom Lehrer. I wish Louis C.K. could sing

                                                    [–]ElagabalusRexAnarchist-Monarchist-Feudalist 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                    But you don't understand! That's C E N S O R S H I P.

                                                    [–]QAlphaNiner 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                    I think there's also something to be said for how that person is told.

                                                    "Hey man that's not really cool with me and I'd appreciate if you didn't do that" vs.... well, whatever the hell that was.

                                                    [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                    I am so fucking tired of the idea that it is on the responsibility of the offended and hurt to be the rational, calm ones. Theyre the ones who have emotional stake in the issue. Its the people who are making unintentionally (or intentionally) offensive jokes that should be calm and rational. After all, for them its only a joke, so I really dont see why its ok for them to be upset and emotional.

                                                    [–]Oxus007Recreationally Offended 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                    Under that black and white way of looking at it though, you're implying that being offended makes you universally in the right. It's an emotion and emotions are messy.

                                                    [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                    ...No? Im saying that I am tired of the mentality of "Well, maybe the joke was offensive, but you're being way too emotional about it which makes you wrong!"

                                                    I think that when a person is rude in saying "Hey this is offensive," we should understand why theyre being rude in saying that, and more forgiving in that rudeness. Rather than discrediting them becuase theyre rude.

                                                    [–]Oxus007Recreationally Offended 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    Yes and no.

                                                    The guy above you made a super reasonable post. You absolutely are better off by showing that same kind of understanding to the person making the joke. They could very well just not understand fully their implications or be aware of their current audience.

                                                    We're adults here (hopefully), and as adults we're generally in better control of our emotions. If you're pulled over by a cop and know you're in the right, you can either explode on the cop and make everything worse, or you can be calm and maybe improve the situation.

                                                    The guy above you saying:

                                                    I think there's also something to be said for how that person is told.

                                                    "Hey man that's not really cool with me and I'd appreciate if you didn't do that" vs.... well, whatever the hell that was.

                                                    Is not discrediting anyone or even implying that the offended party is not in the right. He's saying this will probably be a more constructive and mature way to handle it.

                                                    [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Im absolutely not gonna argue that being calm, helpful, kind, etc will always get you farther, especially specifically in explaining why a joke or whatever is offensive. Absolutely, that will go better.

                                                    That being said, Im just really, really sick of having to be that way. Im sick of the victoms of bigotry having to be the better behaved ones to be given any chance of being heard. I think its shitty and Im so tired of doing it.

                                                    [–]Oxus007Recreationally Offended 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    I believe and empathize with you. It must be terribly frustrating.

                                                    And I'm not trying to sound too preachy, it's somethign I have to remind myself of each day, but you simply cannot control other people. If they are idiots, then they will likely stay idiots. The only thing you can control is your reaction to those idiots. By losing your cool it's only really hurting you (me). And there's that tiny chance that by talking to someone reasonably you may help them see why they were being dumb.

                                                    [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Yeah,you're right.

                                                    IDK, lgbtq stuff is bad in the US right now. Hard for me not to feel frustrated, and I imagine a lot of people feel that way. Not a productive feeling, but eh.

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                                                      [–]goblin_jones 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Thing is, you're going to have a hell of a time educating anybody on what they did wrong if you're not calm and collected.

                                                      People are free to be as angry and irrational as they wish, they just need to not be surprised if nobody listens to them when they are.

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                                                        [–]Teleman_Frank 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                        Usually the joke isn't that offensive or people are hypocritical about what they deem to be offensive. Most people are fine with offensive jokes until it's about them or their "group".

                                                        [–]Swaqfaq 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        A wonderful example of this is anytime white people get made fun of on BlackPeopleTwitter. Usually the jokes revolve around black culture filtered through a stereotype and most users, who are arguably white, find it funny. But whenever anybody says anything that would offend white people it turns into a report and comment butthurt festival.

                                                        [–]Teleman_Frank 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Yeah, and I'm sure those are people who will tell people to "lighten up" when it comes to being "PC" and stuff. Works both ways, of course.

                                                        [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                        I think you might be projecting or painting with a wide brush there. I dont enjoy humor with bigotry in it, regardless if its my group or whatever

                                                        [–]Teleman_Frank 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                        I don't really see what was bigoted in that joke, it was just framed around a given subject.

                                                        [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                        Yeah thats the bigot part. Making light of what is an important and hurtful topic to them is a shitty thing to do, especially in the context of that person trying to show trans pride.

                                                        [–]Hemicwoodlands justice warrior 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        I think people need to stop taking shit so seriously. A joke about misgendering an inanimate fucking object is not going to ruin someone's day unless they let it

                                                        [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        Aw yeah man, things only offend you if you let them! I never thought of that before! I guess I should just stop worrying about the growing climate of transphobia in my country, cause I just wont let it bother me!

                                                        To be serious here, some of us dont have the luxury of deciding whether or not we should care about social issues.

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                                                            [–]FireHazard11 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                            It's not even a bad joke, it's actually a pretty well crafted joke/pun combo.

                                                            [–]goblin_jones 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            I thought it was funny

                                                            [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                            Its the laziest joke possible. Maybe its just me, but theres no humor there. Like, its the most knee jerk response "oh trans? Misgender!"

                                                            [–]FireHazard11 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                            You're ignoring the beauty -> beaut-he pun. That's what changes it from a low effort joke to a solid joke in my mind.

                                                            [–]kwidem 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Oh shit, I missed that too. That makes it way funnier.

                                                            [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            Ill admit I missed that part, needed to actually say it out loud to hear it. Still a pun at best.

                                                            [–]FireHazard11 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                            Still a pun at best.

                                                            How. Dare. You.

                                                            [–]VivaldistInsert insult here: Anti-GG SJW Shill Cuck and more! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            idk, I dont like puns, sorry.

                                                            [–]FireHazard11 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            It's okay, lots of people manage to live long fulfilling lives even though they're heartless monsters.

                                                            [–]blasto_blastocyst 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            It's no use. People who don't like puns get annoyed by metaphors too.

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                                                                [–]Spider_pig448 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                No, I agree. There's nothing clever about it, it's just tacky for no real gain.

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                                                                    [–]eifersucht12aThe Beginning of the End of Reddit Again 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Why can't people learn to laugh at themselves and their situation I have no insight on or experience with coping with.

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                                                                      [–]SnapshillBotShilling for Big Archive™ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      I know now I'll never have any flair again and I've come to terms with that.

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                                                                      [–]Fala1The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      I know now I'll never have any flair again and I've come to terms with that.

                                                                      Liar

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                                                                        [–]OIPTop 500 Straight Male 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        vintage caps

                                                                        why even

                                                                        [–]O-shi 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                        Oh dear I have never seen so many downvotes as that OP got.

                                                                        They should have taken comments with a pinch of salt.

                                                                        [–]yaforgot-my-password 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                        They only got a couple hundred per comment at most though. Or did I miss some?

                                                                        [–]O-shi 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                        Yeah and those add up

                                                                        [–]jfa1985"valuable discussion" 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                        For the past year or so Reddit has been using a "new" thing which limits the amount of karma you can lose per comment/post.

                                                                        [–]O-shi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        This is interesting, I didn't know this. Do you know how much ?

                                                                        [–]jfa1985"valuable discussion" 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        No idea. Maybe someone reading this can answer that.

                                                                        [–]FireHazard11 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        I don't know what the per comment cap is, but -100 is the lowest amount of total comment karma you can have before it stops counting.

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                                                                            [–]Kindatadpole 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                            I felt it was a harmless joke. Was it not harmless?

                                                                            [–]syfy39PBUF 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                            On its surface it may seem to be. But it does sorta perpetuate the idea that, say, trans men are actually women, thought of as women, and called men to humor them. A joke might seem harmless to a cis person, but thats because they don't realize the level of vitriol and delegitimaztion trans people deal with on a daily basis.

                                                                            That said, I'm trans and id probably agree op was over reacting, but they also didn't deserve the amount of blow back they got. It would have been better just to say "I'm sure your intentions are good, but jokes like that reinforce a lot negative ideas about trans people that can be really hurtful to us. We'd appreciate it if you avoided making them in the future."

                                                                            [–]woeskies 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Or it's joking about how sometimes your friends accidentally screw up when adjusting to the transition. Funny how being uncharitable in a reading can totally change the meaning. Especially given the slang of using female pronouns with guitars

                                                                            [–]syfy39PBUF 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            I'm sure the intentions where fine, but its still kinda a shitty joke to make imo. OP probably wasnt doing themselves any favors in how they responded, but id agree with pointing out that people messing up pronouns isnt funny to a lot of trans people.

                                                                            [–]Yo_Soy_Candide 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            All guitars are described using female pronouns, the joke it this Guitar now uses male pronouns. I think it's actually cute. If the poster themselves had title the submission in a such a way as to include a male pronoun when describing the guitar, it would have been great.

                                                                            It's lame how little humour people have, always seeing the worst in others.

                                                                            [–]gargoyle_mayonnaise/r/the_dolan 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            but they also didn't deserve the amount of blow back they got.

                                                                            Yes they did. In the very first response the OP posted they said "If you still want to say shit like that afterwords then you're not welcome here."

                                                                            What you have is basically a sanctimonious asshole not only taking it upon themselves to speak for all trans people, but all of /r/guitars as well. "You're not welcome here". Oh really. Is this person a moderator? I didn't think so.

                                                                            [–]SHFFLE 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Yeah. OP's response was... overly aggressive I feel. Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance, benefit of the doubt, etc. etc.

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                                                                                [–]ThisIsNotHimNah, it's probably him 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                Routinely murdered? 26 trans people were killed in 2016. 26. I'm sorry, that's not routine at all.

                                                                                I'm curious how many trans people they think there are? I'm moderately active in the LGBT community, and I barely know more than a handful of trans people. With a small enough group, even a small number of murders can qualify as persecution.

                                                                                [–]woeskies 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Well there are 1.4 million trans people in the USA. Murder rate is by 100,000 per year. USA murder rate is 5 on average. Trans murder rate is 1.9 so it's about 2.5x less small than the average. And that's not even accounting for the fact that not all of the trans people were killed for being trans

                                                                                [–]FireHazard11 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                But you also have to consider if they were killed because they were trans or for another reason.

                                                                                Just because a trans person was killed in a drug deal gone wrong doesn't mean they were murdered for being trans.

                                                                                [–]ThisIsNotHimNah, it's probably him 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                Sure, but my point is that the number of total people killed can be pretty small and it can still be a real issue.

                                                                                [–]SkyeRavenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_fracture 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                I've never met or seen any trans people out in the wild. Only on the internet.

                                                                                [–]blasto_blastocyst [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                You think you haven't.

                                                                                [–]alvik [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                If you hang out with musicians long enough, you're bound to meet one or two.

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                                                                                  [–]CyborgSlunk 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  the guitar looks beautiful tho

                                                                                  [–]smithrereenThen what do I do now? I don't want to go to jail! 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Aaaaand this is why people still don't accept you. Grow up, man, and I say man completely euphemistically.

                                                                                  ಠ_ಠ

                                                                                  [–]Hazeringxcultural marxist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  And people get angry when they are called transphobic.

                                                                                  [–]atheistbassist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Dang OP was a dick. Nice guitar tho

                                                                                  [–]ausername95 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  That's a nice guitar though

                                                                                  [–]raeenr 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I mean, I think the joke itself could be read as either innocuous or offensive depending on how you look at it/how sensitive you are, but I honestly thought OP's response came across as incredibly condescending and uptight. They just sound like a bit of a prick, regardless of whether or not their point is valid.

                                                                                  (I don't want to put the standard "as a trans person" thing because it always makes it sound like I'm lying, but to be honest, the joke just made me roll my eyes a bit. I've heard it lots of times before, and generally it's phrased in a far more hostile/cruel way)

                                                                                  [–]AllisonRages 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Man this was cool... until I found out you're a tool.

                                                                                  I saw this comment on there and I started singing it in my head with some rock music. How fitting for /r/guitar

                                                                                  [–]NattyB 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  oh this is good.

                                                                                  [–]L0RDA55H0L3 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  jokes are oppressive.

                                                                                  Fucking what?

                                                                                  jokes about the gender of inanimate objects are oppressive

                                                                                  Once more, fucking what?

                                                                                  people use such joking as a tool for oppression

                                                                                  Fucking. What?!

                                                                                  I want to upvote these three comments in the linked thread so bad.

                                                                                  [–]ImReallyGrey 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Man everything is a tool for oppression if you want it to be.

                                                                                  [–]blasto_blastocyst [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Much like how poor white guys are always fucking their toothless sisters. And you realize the people saying it are wealthy and are deliberately kicking down the class gradient. And that's really funny because I am not a poor white person.

                                                                                  [–]TacoBoy_ 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  Honestly, that was just a dumb fucking joke. OP needs to chill the fuck out.

                                                                                  [–]mitsunyan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Distasteful jokes are a thing? Drama alert!

                                                                                  [–]NobilisUltima 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  That's a really good paint job, I dig it.

                                                                                  [–]marmite1234 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I was expecting something more interesting than a pink and blue paint job on a guitar. Blue inside pink - what does this signify?

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