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[–]lapse_of_taste 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Great post, could you also put this up in r/askphilosophyFAQ? It would be useful to have this at hand next time people complain about postmodernism.

In fact, I recently criticized some (flaired!) user on r/askphilosophy who used the Sokar hoax to justify their "hatred"(their word) of postmodernism. I pointed out that Social Text had no peer review and that similar things happened in physics. Here's the reply:

I cannot even imagine how a postmodern philosophical journal would even conduct a proper peer-review on par with standarts with hard science, considering how anti-scientific postmodernism is.

Such cases in hard sciences are definitely an anomaly, because of how deeply developed scientific methodology is.

The methodology of postmodernism can more or less be summarized as "since everything is just a metanarrative, everything goes".

[–]ccmulliganΦ[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/irontide or /u/RealityApologist, can you link this or allow me to post it there?

[–]irontideΦ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This looks appropriate. Done.

[–]twilligon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I say, "Thank you," in the same manner I would thank the person who gave me an umbrella in a rainstorm.

[–]Socraticfanboy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been struggling with this a lot too. For the most part I try not to lump theorists together and just go with the last name approach. It's always very hard to talk to anyone in the political science department about anything I do without hearing a million different categorizations of different theories. It's all post modern this, post structural that. Thanks for making sense of this.

[–]sypher1590 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So I wrote a song named "Avocados and The Post Modernist Depression." being 19 at the time I thought it was a smart title. However, after reading about post modernism I like to think that it fits, but this post is causing me question whether it does. You can find it here postboy.bandcamp.com

Please know that this is not spam but an honest question to those of you who have a much better understanding of this than I do. Thank you and I hope you have the answer.

Ps sorry if this in the wrong place. New to the reddits.

[–]soldout 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you think of the following?

Postmodernism, the school of "thought" that proclaimed "There are no truths, only interpretations" has largely played itself out in absurdity, but it has left behind a generation of academics in the humanities disabled by their distrust of the very idea of truth and their disrespect for evidence, settling for "conversations" in which nobody is wrong and nothing can be confirmed, only asserted with whatever style you can muster.

[–]ccmulliganΦ[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the school of "thought" that proclaimed "There are no truths, only interpretations"

This is wrong.

Postmodernism is not a "school" of thought. There's no underlying uniformity or central thesis advanced by the philosophers we typically call "postmodern." Lyotard, Deleuze, Foucault, Derrida, etc., are only loosely grouped, and only then because each of them really wrote a critique of modernism and the idea that self-justifying reason is central to the project of philosophy.

Second, it is really wrong to portray them all as naive relativists. There is nothing in Lyotard, for example, that indicates a normative statement as to what one ought to believe. An incredulity toward the objectivist metanarrative present in certain parts of the Enlightenment ought not be taken as a rejection, for example, I am quite sure that neither Kant nor Hegel would have accepted any notion of objective truth knowable outside of human reason.

left behind a generation of academics in the humanities disabled by their distrust of the very idea of truth and their disrespect for evidence

This is a common charge leveled by people mired in scientism (usually not philosophers) who fail to examine their own (unchallenged and unthought) assumptions on what truth and evidencing are.

settling for "conversations" in which nobody is wrong and nothing can be confirmed

Which is itself an attack on hermeneutics (not a postmodern philosophy) and a tacit endorsement of verificationism, which even most analytics would reject.

only asserted with whatever style you can muster.

An excuse for piss-poor writers to be piss-poor writers. "Oh, I just don't say nonsense with style. That's totally why she got published and I didn't."

[–]cdbaca 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great post. I'm a theologian by training, and most of my research revolves around the effects of postmodernity on Christian theology (particularly Evangelicalism and Pentecostalism).

In essence, the big ideas of postmodernism revolve around epistemology and language more than anything else in my reading. I'm no Derrida scholar, but it's a great mental exercise to think through the "arrogance" of so-called modernists in the present day. The "postmodern" authors that I have affinity for are the ones that simply call into question the assurance that many theologians have in their faith, and how strongly those theologians are affected by rationalism and logical positivism.

[–]ccmulliganΦ[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Admittedly my own brush with the postmodern in theology was a late-in-my-college-career seminar on hermeneutics of religion, but I think you've hit the nail on the head. Remember that Lyotard's "Postmodern Condition" was written as an assessment qua indictment of the modern educational system. It makes sense in the era of commodity beliefs and the strong association of capitalism with Christianity that certain Christian groups would begin to fall into the postmodern condition as a reaction to an increasingly secular society's adoption of rationalism as a replacement religious ethos.

[–]SwissArmyBoot -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think you are wrong about the comic, and that the position of the two characters highlights the very essence of postmodernism, which is that: "I have my truth, and you have yours."

[–]ccmulliganΦ[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

which is that: "I have my truth, and you have yours."

No. Bad redditor. No biscuit. That is emphatically not what Lyotard meant. Reread the post and try again.

[–]SwissArmyBoot -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I doesn't matter what Lyotard wrote. The current position of most postmodernism philosophy is that the truth is what you see. "Trump had the biggest inaugural turnout in history" is true if that's the way you see it.

Edit: Post-realist philosopher Hilary Lawson in a debate with John Searle which was posted here a few months ago in reddit/philosophy actually said: "You have your truth, I have mine."

[–]ccmulliganΦ[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doesn't matter what Lyotard wrote.

Yes it does.

The current position of most postmodernism philosophy is that the truth is what you see.

There is no current position in postmodern philosophy because it's not really a thing. The postmodern condition is not one in which you want to find yourself. It is an expression of a particular kind of scientific anti-realist nihilism.

"Trump had the biggest inaugural turnout in history" is true if that's the way you see it.

You're thinking about naive relativism.

Post-realist philosopher Hilary Lawson in a debate with John Searle which was posted here a few months ago in reddit/philosophy actually said: "You have your truth, I have mine."

Wonderful. Is post-realism coextensive with post-structuralism or postmodernism? Would Lyotard or Deleuze have agreed to that proposition, that everything is relative and each person is permitted a personal "truth" over which they express ownership?

[–]sugarlich12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doesn't matter what Lyotard wrote. The current position of most postmodernism philosophy is that the truth is what you see.

...Um, no.

[–]lapse_of_taste 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you didn't read the OP.

[–]Boruzu -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I rather liked the comic.