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[–]EnterprisingAss 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (5子コメント)

2) we need to face the very really possibility that this whole pizzagate debacle is, in fact, manipulation of western sub culture by a state actor, quite possibly russia. i know for many of you this will be a hard pill to swallow, but its worth taking a look at.

Here's a harder pill to swallow: what if no state actor is involved at all? What if the entire story has been self-generated from start to finish - in other words, that spaces like this sub create these stories out of whole cloth?

Imagine for 30 seconds that no state actor is involved - that no one with any vested interest planted or promoted this story. What if it's just you guys?

[–]JoeyBananas79 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That requires a little to much self awareness for your pizzagater. I literally watched this entire thing rise like some kind of wraith out of nothing. It's more crazy than the Mandela effect

[–]dishragnarok 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if this sub has been heavily infiltrated and astroturfed by white nationalists as a way to spread their agenda? Sometimes the conspiracies that count are the ones right under your noses.

Now if only there was some proof of them doing this oh no wait I've got it right here
https://archive.is/pgIEo

[–]Rowenstin 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you... are you suggesting that 4chan has trolls? Preposterous, I say!

[–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes I had considered that and I desperately hope it's not true.

[–]EnterprisingAss 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really curious - why do you hope it is not true that this story was entirely generated by groups like this sub?

[–]redditctrsux 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

who is Sandusky and hastert for 500

[–]SockTroutPhD 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Yea he's right guys. Pedophelia is for white trailer park pirates only. There probably isn't a worldwide elite child trafficking ring (since you'd have to be that rich to partake in it anyways). They just love naked child art and joking about it blatantly on social media. The kid sized coffins and stuff is just for decoration. And really, CPP pizza is just so fucking good the guy is literally untouchable and probably on everyone's speed dial. So much so that major news networks bring him on just to soft ball him questions. /s

[–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (17子コメント)

yeah and there is totes a secret underground tunnel that connects all types of buildings too! but they arent on any plans or blueprints even though that kind of stuff is a matter of public record! they built it all in secret! and they have a giant human sized oven that they cook dead kids in after they rape them to death in their satanic rituals! i know its all true because i read it on a website that says so! where is the media in all of this! oh yeah its owned by the pedophiles! in fact, podesta, whom i totally knew who he was before all of this, is such a pedo he has a pedo themed napkin! he has pedo themed napkins because.....uh.....he thinks he is untouchable!!!! yeah! they sure did a good job of hiding it, but a bunch of retards with their computers found em out!

[–]SlipperySkeet 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are underground tunnels...? They're not even secret, they run all over DC

Comet Ping Pong's instagram literally has pictures of them drilling into the ground, and judging by the extensiveness of the drilling and the comments, it was not simply for renovations.

[–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

and judging by the extensiveness of the drilling and the comments, it was not simply for renovations.

well look at that! we got ourselves a civil engineer!!!

[–]huktheavenged 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

i have scars on my body from what they did to me when i was a toddler; pizzagate is real.

[–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

do you have a scar in the shape of a piece of pepperoni on your ass from where they branded you?

[–]huktheavenged 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

actually my brand is on my left hand....

[–]tinysaurus_rex 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it isn't bc that never happened

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    [–]JamesColesPardon[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Removed. Rule 4.

    [–]huktheavenged -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    i don't have to prove it.......get back to me when paedophilia is legalized and becomes a lifestyle choice. agenda 21 is on track.......

    [–]BrolestBrolin 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    i don't have to prove it

    So you have nothing to back up the wide-ranging allegations you're making.

    [–]huktheavenged -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    just look at the chemtrails overhead.....

    [–]Azh1aziam 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Generally pizza shop owners are named as GQs most influential people in DC...the pizza is THAT good, unbelievable crust..the best

    [–]RastaVampireDude 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Quote from the said magazine "Liberal twentysomethings in khakis drink beer and eat pizza at Alefantis-owned Comet Ping Pong. More established progressives wine and dine next door at Alefantis-owned Buck's Fishing Camping. Alefantis is also the board president of Transformer, the contemporary art gallery that shamed the Smithsonian for removing an installation offensive to right-wingers. When it comes to D.C. radical chic, Alefantis is unsurpassed. If you don't know him, you aren't wearing your scarf right." much scary

    [–]FinFangFoomIsMe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I totally agree with this post.

    Granted, it may be because I don't want to think of diddling kids when I am in the mood to eat pizza, but I agree that this was a hoax that got out of hand quick.

    [–]worktheshoot 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So pizzagate is fake because maybe the Russians? You're claiming one thing is ridiculous and your reason of it is another ridiculous theory?

    Also, when was this mainly a Democrat issue? I think its pretty clear that many people were/are involved regardless of political party.

    I agree, with the posts yesterday, using "the globe" as a credible source is very weak, but you can't deny the recent increase of arrests involving trafficking rings lately. Maybe it seems like a increase because everyone is focused on it?

    [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So pizzagate is fake because maybe the Russians? You're claiming one thing is ridiculous and your reason of it is another ridiculous theory?

    well, the strength and scope of the pizzagate phenomenon leads me to believe that a state actor is involved, yes. im not saying that russia or whoever started this whole thing from beginning to end. i believe it is more likely that they saw an opportunity at the right time and capitalized on it masterfully.

    look at what is happening across the globe! globalists are being pushed out, which normally is good. but they are being replaced by nationalists. trump, duerte, the national front in france just to name a few. and then we have brexit, possible calexit, middle eastern migrants causing problems for the EU.

    youre here and replying to me, so i know youre aware of conspiracies. is it so hard to believe that we are in the middle of another conspiracy but its the opposite end of the spectrum that we are used to? some nationalism is good, but too much causes what amounts to tribal conflict on a world scale. that is what we are going to see if this shit keeps up. pizzagate is a small part of all of this. destabilization is the name of the game here. pizzagate was a small cog in the giant machine that got america to turn its back on its (admittedly shitty)globalist leaders and instead embrace hardline nationalism.

    and for the record, its not that whoever is behind all this is engineering this all from scratch. they just fanned the flames. people were already pissed off as it was, all it took was some fake news, money in the right places and exceptionally weak leaders. for gods sakes, calexit already has what amounts to an embassy and ITS IN FUCKING RUSSIA OF ALL PLACES!

    truthfully, i dont know for sure that it IS russia, but they do stand to gain a lot from all this. in my mind, its probably not just russia, but several state actors doing to us and the rest of the world what the CIA has been doing to them all these decades.

    [–]huktheavenged 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ever see that video of putin kissing that 5 year old boys belly? pizzagate is real.

    [–]deathcabforben 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    calling for self reflection and a willingness to admit having been duped, and a civil invitation to discuss this premise? do you know what sub you're in?

    [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    yeah. this is /r/TIFU aint it?!

    [–]deathcabforben 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    lol. really, though, good luck with the responses, and thanks for kicking the wasp's nest so the rest of us don't have to. :P

    [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    someone has to point out the obvious. i already keep a low karma because of things like this, so why not me?

    [–]Winter_Folger 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    What a horrible post lmfao.

    [–]huktheavenged 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    he's basically saying our way of live is more important than about a million kids and infants a year....

    [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    jesus fucking christ you guys are worse than fucking bible thumpers!!

    [–]huktheavenged 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    is there anything in this world we live in that is worth one child?

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      [–]mexicaaaan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I mean I certainly don't think anonymous posts on 4chan are sources for anything save for amusement.

      [–]zophieash 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Pretty clever, not clever enough however. Global pedophile rings exist and the world would be a better place if they were shut down.

      P.S. Cute Russia did it narrative.

      [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Yeah they exist but a pizza place in Washington DC is not the epicenter of it all!

      [–]Triangularistan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't even consider myself a real Pizzagater, but that's just it, a real Pizzagater does NOT believe a pizza place in DC is the epicenter. And for you to think that's the actual meat of the conspiracy tells me you've been slopping up that MSM spin. I'm not saying it's 100% true, but it's the media that is claiming that the conspiracy theory is solely that Clinton is running a pedo ring out of a DC pizza shop. Of course that's absurd, and that manipulation, while leaving out context, is by design. It makes it easy for people unaware of the theory to outright dismiss it, and it makes people that are compelled to investigate it look crazy. But anyone who has done any real digging into the information and circumstances is claiming that if it is real, it's happening on a larger scale and with many officials involved. That is also not unheard of since there are plenty of pedophilia related investigations in governments from around the world. There have even been busts in the Pentagon. Let's not forget to mention the Vatican.

      Basically, you fundamentally misunderstand the claims Pizzagaters are making if you think that's what it's about.

      bTiHgIgNeKr

      [–]JoeyBananas79 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Total rubbish, all the pizzagaters jumped on it and totally believed it, the subreddits went wild with it and even in this thread there are people still trotting out the same old disproven nonsense and made up crap.

      What happened is those of you smart enough to realise you'd been totally made fools of have desperately posted every news report about a pedo and claimed it's part of and proof of pizzagate. And no started claiming that pizzagate is some misinformation plot to make you all look stupid. You did that all by yourself.

      [–]KingJames19 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Careful, something tells me this might go to the top. Might even be some gold thrown around if you know what I mean. Pedo rings are deep within our government cause it's big business and the sickos run it like a top in order to fulfill their needs

      [–]deathcabforben 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      OP is specifically talking about what is only contained under the umbrella of 'pizzagate'. so comet ping pong, pizza and the "code", marina abramovic, whatever.

      it's established fact that pedophile rings exist and are more pervasive than the general public is comfortable facing. what better way to justify not facing it than throwing in a misinfo campaign that makes sense to the initiated (those who know about the rings) and that seems like a nutjob magnet to the uninitiated (those who would rather not know). people who are interested in the truth hyperfocusing on D.C. and pizza shops and pasta and whatever tf is precisely what is hiding the majority of perpetrators, in plain sight.

      [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      OP is specifically talking about what is only contained under the umbrella of 'pizzagate'. so comet ping pong, pizza and the "code", marina abramovic, whatever.

      correct. its no secret large human trafficking rings exist, many of them including children. but a pizza place in DC is not the nexus of it all and its not all about devil worship, it has more to do with money and people just being sick in their souls.

      [–]tedsmitts 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I agree with you, OP. The conspiracy is literally coming from inside the conspiracy forum.

      [–]PortOfDenver 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      As real conspiracy theorists would already be investigating, knowing about COINTELPRO or Sunnstein or the Franklin Scandal or the mighty Wurlitzer.

      [–]jaydwalk 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Didn't anonymous uncover .gov emails linked to pedophilia just the other day?

      [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      99.75% of what goes on in /pol/ is just RPers.

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        [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        just a role player. someone sitting behind their computer pretending to be whatever.

        [–]Triangularistan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The pizza angle should definitely be dropped from the discussion. It may be a small piece of the puzzle, but the scope of things has expanded far greater than any specific establishment or person. I've seen enough weird connections in all of this Pedogate (cause fuck pizzgate) shit and read enough history to know that there has always been pedophilia and abuse in the upper echelons of power. In most cases it is probably an issue of the money that can be made from it, but surely there are disturbed and vile people that get involved. Many of histories greatest known leaders and people that wielded power were sexually deviant and some cruel. This is not a new behavior for those that let the acquisition of power and influence drive them.

        There are unimaginable power structures and amounts of money that shift behind the scenes all while we the people spin the hamster wheel. And to think that we just civilized those behaviors and power structures out over the past few centuries is naive and irresponsible. True elite dynastic wealth is something neither you or I could even imagine. It's a whole different society and social structure once you get high enough up the power spectrum.

        So I think while the suspicions of child trafficking and pedophilia that first arose from the Podesta emails may have spiraled into too much focus on minutiae, I think it highly plausible that the fringes of the global child trafficking industry, and how it's pervaded governments and positions of power from around the world, started to be uncovered once people began digging into the connections between the Clinton Foundation and other big players.

        Unfortunately, that isn't often communicated as the main concern when discussing "Pizzagate". The discussion needs to be broadened from being too focused on and bent out of shape over Alefantis and pasta and move into the realm of trying to connect the dots on a much more macro scale. Child trafficking is a huge industry and it exists in the slums as well as the palaces. When you're at the top and you have power you hang out with others at the top and with power. So I'm willing to bet that where there is money to be made or a market to tap into, they could easily network their systems of power to benefit themselves.

        This is why writing off "Pizzagate" as a whole is a bad call. Maybe the the people who've dug in and uncovered things went too far and hyperfocused on details that really only hurt their case (i.e. Comet Ping Pong), but I firmly believe there is widespread and pervasive child trafficking among the elite of the world that some may partake of but many are just involved for the billions to be made. Regardless of the existence of an occult aspect to it, if there truly are things like this happening and it's managed by those at the top, it's no less disgusting and needs to be exposed.

        You can act like it's totally obvious that it's all fake and how dumb these people are for insisting something is going on, but that doesn't change the fact that evil people exist, power corrupts, child trafficking is a global industry, and some really unusual companies, people, and agendas seem to intersect at suspicious points surrounding the issue.

        [–]SweetBabyXenu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        If you suggest it is false then maybe ask why? The PG story came out hot on the heals of the Clinton Foundation exposure. Were we getting close to the real story (that is the CF) before being led astray by PG?

        [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I believe that is a reasonable assumption. I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong and you could be right. And it fits what has happened so far.

        [–]SweetBabyXenu 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        For me the timing of PG is a real give away. The heat and attention that was directed at the CF only lasted a week or two before PG and then nothing about CF since. That is pretty strange considering the ramifications of the corruption within the CF. Like all good lies, there may be some truths about PG but the real story is the CF in my opinion. TPTB probably thought, "lets throw some perverts at them and let them be sacrificed to buy us some time and space and throw a few lies and half truths to confuse them".

        [–]PortOfDenver 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        [Pizzagate is] manipulation of Western subculture by a state actor, possibly Russia

        Another elephant in the room: jumping to conclusions without listing all the options. Pizzagaters do this. Anti-Pizzagaters do this.

        Here are a list of overlooked options besides "Pizzagate is real" or "Pizzagate is fake":

        • Pizzagate is a set-up by domestic assets within intelligence agencies purely as an anti-Clinton operation. Podesta could be a real pedophile but a weak & blackmailed one, or a pedophile plant in a long game. Pizzagaters for some reason don't believe that total panopticon surveillance is a fact, that Binney was telling the truth, that NSA and FBI already had all Podesta's & HRC's e-mails.

        • Pizzagate is a set-up by domestic assets within intelligence agencies NOT purely as an anti-Clinton operation, but as an anti-factional operation that the Clintons (or only one of them since they may not both be spooks) are only a small part of.

        • Pizzagate is a real front for human trafficking but is a minor league threat to major league players. *As I wrote in 2015 on Reddit, when Reddit did not give any fuck about pedophiles, human trafficking is analog (or anachronistic) when you can just breed your own children.

        • Pizzagate is a set-up to control and not fully expose certain players or insiders, which may include Trump as well as Clinton(s). This set-up could be domestic or foreign state-sponsored (Israel, Russia) or what Peter Dale Scott calls an international "metagroup" within intelligence agencies like the Safari Club or the "Underground Reich".

        This is just the tip of the iceberg of overlooked possibilities.

        Franklin Scandal victims claim that the epicenter of the U.S. political pedophile ring is based at Fort Offutt. And that it's international, i.e. NATO.

        Yet Pizzagaters don't give a fuck. They insist that the epicenter is a local pizza shop.

        The implications of NATO running the REAL political pedo-ring would affect OP's "Russia Did It" theory.

        But whether the real story is NATO pedos-vs.-FSB pedos, or FSB pedos infiltrating NATO pedos or vice-versa, with the already-acknowledged existence of Safari Clubs (or Underground Reich) somewhere in the midst, Pizzagaters are not able to admit ambiguity or alternative possibilities.

        Even worse are the knee-jerk Clinton-haters who are only interested in Pizzagate as a vehicle to exorcize their own private demons. These are the enablers of spooks posing as Clinton-haters to use Pizzagate as an engine of manipulation, not merely of the masses, but of the current White House or Kremlin. Especially if Pizzagate is a set-up that is meant to look fake (which it does) but will later break as a deus ex machina with actual victims, which are easy enough for intel agencies to manufacture, which answers the conspicuous question: Why haven't spooks manufactured victims yet to fully exploit this opportunity?

        [–]huktheavenged 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        i do think pizzagate is a set up AND i think it's all true......a kind of truth-bomb meant to enable the controlled demolition of the united states......

        [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Especially if Pizzagate is a set-up that is meant to look fake (which it does) but will later break as a deus ex machina with actual victims, which are easy enough for intel agencies to manufacture, which answers the conspicuous question: Why haven't spooks manufactured victims yet to fully exploit this opportunity?

        exactly. one of my biggest problems. where are the victims? their families? their remains? but no pizzagater want to address this or bring it up.

        and ill admit that the picture i have painted is a bit one sided. the thought that communities like this one created material that we were then tricked with is disturbing and seems like it would be a lofty goal for anyone to achieve the way it has effected our subculture.

        however, ill freely admit it is possible that some element in our own govt, possibly even a rogue element, has concocted all of this. why? i dont know. im just admitting its possible. but my question is, if that is the case, what is the end game? or was there an end game and it was cut off? were the parties responsible for pizzagate defeated somehow? where was all this supposed to go if that is the case?

        at any rate, i do not believe pizzagate is what it seems, but i DO believe it has had the intended effect which is dividing, distracting and destroying.

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        [–]VisionaryPrism -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Ah, another disinformation agent.

        [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        yeah i must be. no way could pedophile world leaders that run a satanic cult complete with and underground base that would make skeletor jealous be a single bit of disinformation could it? no. its way more believable that me with my computer is a disinformation agent. way to gag on a gnat and swallow an elephant.

        [–]NoGuiltPopIsGood 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        yeah Russians planted evidence that goes back several years /s

        [–]huktheavenged 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        those time travelling Russians!

        [–]mastigia -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I like how OP just casually negates the whole investigation in the 2nd sentence like it's so obvious.

        If you ask me the kill is starting to squirm as it feels its demise is imminent.

        [–]YourMomsaHoax[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        the fuck are you talking about?!