i refuse to call him and his followers red pill because all they give a fuck about is female attention, and they put men who choose to not play the dating game down because "you just gotta find poosy paradise". he may have been right about american women but that doesn't mean chicks from eastern europe are any better, women from all over the world will take advantage of men and toss them out like old rag dolls once they no longer deem us useful, it doesn't matter where the fuck their from. and their only criticism of mgtow is "they don't care about self-improvement", thats bullshit, a lot of mgtow care about self-improvement but since we don't care about female attention we don't care about self-improvement. if anything they don't care about self-improvement because it only matters if you are trying to get your dick wet. what i said applies to other pick-up artists as well, like julien blanc, neil strauss, and any body else involved in the seduction community. they are not red pill, they are blue pill posers who lure in the sheeple that buy into their bullshit hook line and sinker with false promises. fuck PUAs, fuck them all.