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[–]arobtheknob 762 ポイント763 ポイント  (46子コメント)

My 3 year old saw an African American woman pass us in the hall. We were the only people there and she exclaimed....

"That lady is made of chocolate"

I was mortified. The lady chuckled and kept walking.

[–]jilleebean7 273 ポイント274 ポイント  (18子コメント)

My daughter asked me once why some people are darker. I told her the truth, different people's ancestors spent more time in the sun, so they needed darker skin in order to protect them from the sun, and it's just something that gets passed down to your children.

Que in the first black person she see's...... 'mom that guy is really burnt'.

[–]Rogem 111 ポイント112 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ten years from now, on /r/TIFU:

"TIFU by saying that a black lady was made of chocolate"

[–]Wacov 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tenyearsagotoday I Fucked Up

[–]DaughterEarth 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When I was little and my cousins were born I started getting extra resistant to baths, and apparently told my mom I shouldn't have to have a bath if my cousins didn't. My cousins are part black. Kids are stupid and it can be cute and cringey at the same time!

[–]oliveij 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly that's not that bad. That's pretty funny.

[–]meoka2368 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My 4 year old doesn't talk yet (autistic) but is really interested in people who are darker skinned, because he hasn't seem many. So he'll get this head tilt thing going on, like a dog, and tries to touch them.

It's been better since a really dark skinned girl started going to his therapy center. Was just a matter of exposure.

[–]NeedMoarCoffee 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My kid did that once. We lived in a neighborhood that was mostly black and he just realized one day that other people had different skin color than him. "Look! Black people!" In the middle of the grocery. I had a ton of wtf looks and I wanted to melt into the ground.

[–]richardec 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell yes I am! And twice as sweet.

--The Lady--

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    [–]dick-nipples 1582 ポイント1583 ポイント  (88子コメント)

    So you're telling me this kid didn't pick out his own outfit?

    [–]cheerl231 1028 ポイント1029 ポイント  (51子コメント)

    That picture makes me really sad.

    [–]the_lost_banana 275 ポイント276 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Me too :/

    [–]warrenelliott7 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Guys chill out, he's just getting ready for the mid Feb Halloween party. Ghosts are pretty popular

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      [–]schrodingerkarmacat 227 ポイント228 ポイント  (36子コメント)

      It kind of makes me happy... What I see is a little innocent girl who is just exploring the things around her, and some police officers who are admiring the innocence of a young child.

      Edit: Apparently the child is a boy. ma bad.

      [–]supersheeep 171 ポイント172 ポイント  (18子コメント)

      But will she stay innocent

      [–]WideEyedInTheWorld 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      RemindMe! 18 years "did that baby end up racist?"

      [–]sneezingonlsd 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      The only information I could find was that the man who took the picture was named Todd Robertson who took the picture in Gainesville, Georgia in 1992. The child was named Josh and the photographer likely believes Josh and his mother were from Winder, Georgia. Article Here

      [–]Judenwilli 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I know it's not serious of you, but iirc that pic i s from the 70s.

      [–]thekream 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      the pic is from Labor Day 1992

      [–]mark-five 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, it would be easier to look up the local paper of whatever that town is and see if that kid grew up to be a regular appearance on the arrests page.

      [–]ketchy_shuby 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Turns out he was a three year old boy named Josh, he'd be about 23 now.

      [–]schrodingerkarmacat 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ya, I guess that does make it sad :/ Hopefully she overcomes the negative influences around her

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        [–]actuallyanengineer 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        That's what makes it sad, though. She is so innocent and does not even think to act differently towards someone who doesn't look like her. But based on the outfit her parents put her in, that innocent love will probably be replaced with hate and prejudice and racism.

        She is born full of love, but her fellow humans will teach her to hate. That is tragic.

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            [–]ragamuphin 236 ポイント237 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            I like how she looking and reaching out to her reflection

            "Is this what I have become? Was I the spoopy ghost all along?"

            [–]Wet-Goat 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            There is a spooky skeleton in each and every one of us, at least we can reach a consensus on that.

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              [–]Whitegurlwasted2309 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              He wearing reebok pumps?

              [–]AnthonyNHB 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              His parents just dressed him up as a ghost for Halloween, right?

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                [–]PrgrmrLdy 2911 ポイント2912 ポイント  (240子コメント)

                Black person chiming in here-

                I was always treated like a science project when I was in all white towns and schools. Kids would touch my hair, and ask tons of questions. When African nations would come to out school to perform on International celebration day all the kids would ask me what they were saying. I don't speak Swahili, I'm from NYC. As an adult I have co-workers ask me if they should call me black, African American, or colored. I never saw any of this as racism. It never felt like this dumb shit came from a hateful place.

                Now when the Italians would want to throw me out of their theatre in College Park, or we were notified we were on the wrong side of Rockaway beach, we knew that was hate. Just last month when the white woman slammed the door in my face, then once I made in the lobby asked me if I had my badge to be there, I knew from her glare at me, her snotty tone, and the demeanor that she didn't think my black ass should be in her building.

                I have had the worst things said about my skin tone from other people of color! Latinos, Indians, and black people darker than me talking shit because they are taught that lighter is better. A racist hates all of our brown asses but amongst ourselves you will find the worst results of trickle down hate amongst generations.

                Just because folks gravitate to folks that look like them doesn't mean that they are racist and hateful. I have to say both words together because you can even be labelled as racist and not be hateful. You are a liar if you don't think generalizations are true. Those generalizations make folks yell racism every 5 minutes on Twitter. Just because I tease an Asian that she is an awful driver does not mean that I have hate for her or her race and she should stay away from me. It simply means she is a walking stereotype.

                This politically correct, overly sensitive time is ridiculous. Hate is just that. You never have to question it. You can feel it, you can see it, and you teach it. Just lighten up and be truly be kind to one another. For fucks sake don't be scared of someone DIFFERENT than you!

                [–]troyboltonislife 248 ポイント249 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                I never thought about how hard it must be for a black person to not know if someone is being a dick cause their skin color or cause they just don't like me. I've run into salty old women before who treated me that but I just chalked it up to them being salty old women. If I was black id be questioning whether it's due to race. Must be very frustrating.

                [–]deathnate4 102 ポイント103 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If I was black id be questioning whether it's due to race. Must be very frustrating.

                Oh it certainly is, but it's something we just have to learn to deal with. It's also unfortunate because the more racist experiences one encounters, the more likely you'll assume that people are being racist even when there are probably other reasons for their behaviour. Racism hurts a heck of a lot more than people just being dicks because they're mean, so it hurts to have this underlying assumption.

                [–]abcupinatree 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                And it sucks because as a minority you are kind of the de facto ambassador for people you don't even know.

                If a white guy does something bad, it's usually just a reflection upon him. But if a minority does the same thing, often other people from that group will be judged, or people will think "oh I suppose ALL of those people are predisposed to do that". You feel like you have this extra scrutiny on you sometimes.

                [–]deathnate4 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                You feel like you have this extra scrutiny on you sometimes.

                This. I'm hyperconscious of my behaviour because I don't want to fit stereotypical ideas people would have of me based on my race. It's really annoying.

                [–]Big_TX 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                There was a Japanese guy on here who said he was a very good driver, but like everyone he makes a mistake every now and then, and when ever he does people think he can't drive because he's Asian. Must suck

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                  [–]evenstar139 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  As a brown person I frequently feel the same. When someone gives me an unsavory look or when that bus driver refuses to answer my question it makes me wonder if it's because I antagonised them somehow or if it's because of my skin. In the age of rising islamophobia I feel like it's usually the latter reason. It's a pretty unhealthy way of thinking because to others, and sometimes yourself, it's like you're always playing the victim so I try to not think that way, but fact of the matter is that that's our reality.

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                    [–]Josetheone1 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Thing is black people isnt one big homogeneous group of people, we all have different culture, history and genetic backgrounds.

                    I'm Brazilian Jamaican, speak poor Portuguese and understand Patois, my culture, language, history even genetic make up is different to a African American or a Nigerian, we're all different shades of brown but we're all painted with the same brush, while it has positives like allowing unity and inclusion it also devalues our being to people on the outside.

                    [–]zdw2082 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Thanks for putting that out there man. Excellent points! Asking questions and trying to understand people's differences are always the way to go! I had a great business professor that always said "Capitalize on people's differences, don't shy away from them". People aren't the same in more ways than one, and that's just fine.

                    [–]Pennypacking 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I think /u/PrgrmrLdy is a lady, but I could easily be wrong.

                    [–]Rdubya44 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    We always act like skin color is the only thing that separates us and not cultural differences. My high school was mostly blacks and latinos, whites were in the minority. I hung out with people who were culturally the same as me, which included white kids but also black and Latino kids.

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                      [–]Apocalypse487x 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      South Asian chiming in. My people culturally are racist towards darker skin people. Even among their own race. My dad's side of the family hates my mom's side of the family simply because they're farmers and have darker skin from being out and working.

                      People just hate on people who work out in the field ultimately because they'll just have darker skin so they're lower class to them.

                      Racism and classism are almost intertwined in my opinion.

                      [–]dmt477 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      This was like this in Europe in the medieval and pre-modern period. Nobles were White and even powdered their skin to make it whiter. Peasants were tanned (though not as dark as South East Asians as Europe is mostly cold). All these things were seen as separation of the classes.

                      It's not really racism, because in the modern period this is reversed. Since Europeans who are White are considered those who cant afford a holiday, whilst the managers/CEO/rich people are tanned meaning they can afford to go to exotic destinations.

                      [–]Cuzeverynameistaken 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      As a South Asian the black being inferior thing annoys the shit out of me. I'm white for a south Asian, so white that if I was one skin tone lighter I'd be white not olive skin. Anyway, I always see my darker friends and family complain about how I have "somehow" a better skin colour. Then they make fun of me when my face goes red in summer or when I complain about the sunburn I got.

                      [–]WhaChaChaKing 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I don't understand why there is such hate for the darker skinned. I'm Japanese and my mom is always saying nasty things about south east Asians, same with her mom. I just don't get it.

                      [–]strawbee 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I'm Southeast Asian, ethnic Chinese. I was born with darker skin than my fair brother, and everyone always talked about how fair he was. How prized fair skin was. My mother would always get upset if I went out in the sun because I would get darker.

                      Then when I was older, my mother told me that darker skin is considered healthier. My brother was always sick.

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                          [–]TheBatchLord 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                          I have the pleasure of being a white mom to a black daughter. Everyday is a learning experience. A few years ago I posted something here on Reddit that included her in the picture, and the nastiness flowed like honey. Flip side to that reality is that it really prompted me to investigate how many black role models and community I was helping her have her access to. Spoiler: woefully little.

                          [–]Zero1343 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I see the hair touching thing a lot online but only seen it happen to one person irl myself.

                          When me and my sister went to Thailand there were many of the Thai women who where fascinated by her long blonde hair. Touching it, wanting to braid it, tie it up etc. The funniest of these incidents was at Bangkok airport where Miss Thailand happened to be and wanted a picture with her.

                          People are both curious and sometimes scared of that which is different.

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                            [–]adriennebusch 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            That's the best Dark Link cosplay I've ever seen.

                            [–]Br1887 1261 ポイント1262 ポイント  (169子コメント)

                            I was told that having black friends doesn't mean you're not racist. This white baby could still be racist.

                            [–]AverageMerica 436 ポイント437 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                            I was told that having black friends doesn't mean you're not racist.

                            whew, good thing I don't have any black friends.

                            [–]xiNFiNiiTYxEST 434 ポイント435 ポイント  (106子コメント)

                            Oh so only the white baby can be racist not the black one?

                            [–]Meltingteeth10M Treasure Hunt Winner 217 ポイント218 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            The hallmark of twats is when they change entire definitions of words to suit their agenda. "Women can't be sexist," "black people can't be racist," "you can only use the woodchipper for wood, put that spraypaint away."

                            Just get off my dick, society.

                            [–]modi13 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            "you can only use the woodchipper for wood, put that spraypaint Steve Buscemi away."

                            [–]skine09 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Shut the fuck up, Donny. You're out of your element.

                            [–]danfromwaterloo 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            Totally agree. When you start fucking with definitions to suit your agenda, it's the linguistic equivalent to gerrymandering.

                            Racism is racism. Stop trying to fuck with it. Let's just focus our efforts on treating other with equal respect and dignity.

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                              [–]BaggyOz 237 ポイント238 ポイント  (46子コメント)

                              Well yeah the white baby has way more power and privilege than the black baby.

                              [–]Sephiroso 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              You can tell by the way it is.

                              [–]onemessageyo 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              What do you mean? That white baby is scared shitless and the black baby is inspecting the white baby for quality teeth because that white baby is about to go on auction.

                              [–]DirtyDan257 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Just look at them. That black baby is already throwing up gang signs.

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                                    [–]DefNotaZombie 12.7k ポイント12.7k ポイント x2 (1625子コメント)

                                    Except a study showed that babies prefer members of their own race as early as 3 months after birth

                                    Those damn racist babies

                                    [–]413729220 5556 ポイント5557 ポイント  (902子コメント)

                                    Seems to me like it makes a lot of sense. Why do people think the world is still so divided by race? People tend to stay with their groups, and we've been doing that for hundreds of thousands of years.

                                    It's not a bad thing, it's just nature. But the real incredible thing is that we are able to learn to put those differences behind us.

                                    As a great being once said: "What is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"

                                    [–]ThunderPanther 1592 ポイント1593 ポイント  (147子コメント)

                                    Good old Paarthurnax

                                    [–]tomatomater 961 ポイント962 ポイント  (121子コメント)

                                    Good overcame evil old Paarthurnax

                                    FTFY

                                    [–]wtfduud 329 ポイント330 ポイント  (111子コメント)

                                    Paarthurnax died for our sins.

                                    Just kidding, nobody actually killed Paarthurnax..... did they?

                                    [–]Northumberlo 304 ポイント305 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                    I installed a mod allowing me to keep him alive and explain my decision to the blades. Fuck ultimatums.

                                    [–]VindictiveJudge 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    Is there a mod to let me slaughter the Blades in retaliation for asking me to kill Paarthurnax?

                                    [–]Catkillerfive 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    There is a mod that allow you to kill important NPC's (This obviously break the game if you do this btw)

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                                      [–]doomsdaydefense 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Seriously. What a stupid way for the blades' plotline to end.

                                      [–]TrouserTorpedo 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                      Imagine if you could just install a mod when your girlfriend was mad in real life.

                                      [–]Zuphixavex 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      Shit. I just realised that I never actually beat the alduin fight and had never knows about this.

                                      [–]Carzon375 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      That's uh, quite a ways before alduin

                                      [–]BarTroll 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      I don't recall if he says this before the Alduin fight, but i'm 100% certain he says if after. I did that quest 3 or 4 days ago.

                                      [–]Carzon375 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Oh I must have gotten that mixed up then. My bad!

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                                        [–]AuntBettysNutButter 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        As soon as those Blades asked me to do it, I immediately shouted those bastards right off the cliff.

                                        [–]kievaughn 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                        I killed him :(

                                        Immediately regretted it though

                                        [–]Boop-Noodle 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        Wait was that optional? I didn't want to.... I was just following orders :(

                                        [–]physisical 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        First time I went up the mountain to meet Paarthurnax I wasn't looking at him when he started speaking, turned around saw a dragon and started swinging at him. He was at half health when I realised he was the one I had to speak with but by then he wouldn't talk to me. Had to reload an earlier save. :(

                                        [–]Oneinplenty 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                        Only the milk-drinking Imperials.

                                        [–]imthelate 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        Funny, a creature that I slaughtered on top of Hrotgar had the same name.

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                                          [–]zehnen 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                          Paarthuranax let my people go.

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                                            [–]51Bootwearer 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I fucking knew it, before I scrolled down to this I was thinking "That old ass dragon from skyrim said this right?"

                                            [–]Jeremythecookie 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            NEVER BETHESDA ! You hear me ? I will never kill Paarthurnax. Fuck those guys. I love you Paarthurnax.

                                            [–]ASK_ME_IF_IM_YEEZUS 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Lydia was ready to slaughtered him, too, I could tell. Do you hear him, bitch?! This motherfucker is a philosophic mastermind not to mention A TALKING DRAGON.

                                            [–]Mozz_Sticks96 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Oh I forgot about Lyda. I killed her like 10 seconds after she followed me

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                                              [–]ijustlovepolitics 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              My first playthrough I killed him since I wanted to trade in my dragon scales and shit. Realized how useless that faction was. My second playthrough he got to be my dragon bro.

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                                                [–]are_you_seriously 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                                Because the world IS divided by race still.

                                                There are also a lot of mentally lazy and emotionally weak people. With the right combination of those negative traits, the prejudice becomes racism. There is a line, and that line is fuzzy.

                                                Put another way, preference for one group doesn't automatically equate to hatred for all other groups. But it's easy to slide from the former into the latter.

                                                [–]ProblematicDiscourse 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                It's really just an extension of kin selection.

                                                We innately show preference towards those who are most genetically similar to us, and are less willing to be altrustic to people the more genetic difference is between us. Which is why discrimination against groups different from you makes perfect evolutionary sense, we want as many of our genes to propogate as possible.

                                                Now that of course does not mean that creating prejudiced law in a multicultural society is justified. But parents will continue to prefer that their daughters brings home a guy of the same race, and people will generally prefer to live and socialize with their own race, and will be more altruistic to their own race.

                                                [–]rethinkingat59 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                We can overcome bias, but I don't think it is a natural thing to do.

                                                Historically humans have naturally divided into defined groups to create and share resources, and to defend against those that would take those resources.

                                                In the past castles or other defenses were built to protect your group from the many other groups that saw raiding and stealing as a viable and honorable way to improve their life.

                                                Humans have always, and will always form communities, usually we are born into them or near them and will remain close for life.

                                                Religion, tribe, family, language, race, nationality, geographic location, economic interest, gender, educational background, vocation, and a dozen other metrics both bring us together and separate us.

                                                I did not mention politics, because politics, where it is believed to directly or indirectly affect a person is a byproduct of the self interest of that individual, and is often shared by others in your various tribes with common self interest.

                                                But sometimes that is not true.

                                                In the US recently politics has become more of a ra-ra team sport where we are fans, and people's thoughts on an issue are almost always determined by the leadership of their party.

                                                Many of us on the left and right will find ourselves defending what we used to rail against, and disagreeing with what we once supported. What is sad is this is usually based on being a good team member vs independent thought.

                                                My definition of a political idiot is anybody that can't find at least 10 issues where they don't agree with their party. Being left of Democrats (if you are a Democrat) or right of Republicans (if you are a Republican) doesn't count.

                                                [–]are_you_seriously 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Overcoming natural instinct to form a more cohesive society is called being cultured.

                                                It is also natural instinct to take what you want when you want. But we are taught as children that's wrong. You can apply the same principles to a macro scale.

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                                                  [–]nearxe 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Exactly. And I don't think anything is helped when people equate all forms of racial bias with full-on racism. Just because you have some biases doesn't mean you have to go hang out with the Nazis because they're the only ones who get you. Biases drop away with exposure to counter-example.

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                                                    [–]Mookind 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (72子コメント)

                                                    Yea but what that study doesn't tell you is that if you put babies in uniforms that changes the whole equation

                                                    It's so superficial a bit of clothing can overcome it

                                                    And babies are not aware of their own race, only those around them...

                                                    [–]Bloodmark3 221 ポイント222 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                    TL;DR: Babies are stupid af.

                                                    [–]demnipsdemnips 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                    Can you give a source for this? I try to stay abreast of child development/psych research and I am not aware of this "changing the whole equation".

                                                    [–]ProblematicDiscourse 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                    but what that study doesn't tell you is that if you put babies in uniforms that changes the whole equation

                                                    Where did you get that idea?

                                                    Also what about several other studies that show that toddlers show racial preference when picking playmates, and give more to members of their own race when sharing?

                                                    [–]Draffut2012 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Have they tried it with babies raised by people of a different race?

                                                    A white baby raise by black people will probably prefer black people as that is what it is accustomed to. I doubt children of 3 months are that cognizant of their own skin color.

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                                                        [–]onenight1234 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                        There's no way a baby knows its own race at 3 months old. It's probably familiarity to their parents or something more than the baby having an innate feeling that he should stick to his own kind.

                                                        [–]Karl_Marx_ 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        A baby doesn't know race, but knows what is similar to them. I agree though, the race of the parents probably is something they are looking for because it makes them comfortable.

                                                        [–]Simmons_M8 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        It's probably familiarity to their parents or something

                                                        Well that's what race is though - familiarity and identity with the tribe.

                                                        [–]ThrowingSpiders 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        "It's not racial, it's tribal."

                                                        -Morello, Orange is the new Black

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                                                            [–]oz6364 310 ポイント311 ポイント  (161子コメント)

                                                            babies find comfort in familiarity. im not surprised that they would prefer faces that are most similar to their primary care-givers

                                                            [–]ProblematicDiscourse 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                            Actually they show racial bias not only to faces, but when picking playmates as well

                                                            Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. Researchers from the University of Washington noticed that babies were more willing to share their toys with others who shared their ethnicity.

                                                            Not only that but their inbuilt instinct for fairness doesn't activate when it's babies of other races:

                                                            When the two adults who were receiving the evenly or unevenly divided toys were of different races and the race of the one who got more toys matched the babies' own, the 70% preference for the fair distributor dropped and the share of babies wanting to play with the unfair one rose. The implication: unfairness is bad, unless someone from your clan is getting the extra goodies.

                                                            [–]DelayedReflex 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                            I'm curious if babies prefer to share toys with playmates of their ethnicity, or of their parents? Like would an asian or black child adopted by white parents prefer to share with asian or black children, or white children?

                                                            [–]Sprockethead 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Fascinating question. Nobody here will know the answer without citing a similar study. I love how somebody already tried to answer this question for you off the top of their head.

                                                            [–]Ctaly 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Equally interesting would be to know what preference a baby has that is multi-racial...

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                                                                  [–]Intrepid00 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                  Went to Africa. Freaked out infants. Took some pictures. They eventually warm up to you.

                                                                  [–]62400repetitions 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                  When I worked as a delivery driver black and Hispanic babies definitely had this adorable "WTF" look at my pasty skin with light blonde hair and blue eyes. They were so stinking cute though! You could see their brains trying to figure out what was happening, and they just couldn't process it. Funny faces, waving, mimicking how their mothers/person watching them spoke did not even register. My black co-worker had the same experience with white babies.

                                                                  I just wanted adorable baby smiles to break up the monotony of terrible traffic and tips, but their confused little faces were hilarious. At least most pets didn't notice my skin color and let me give them scratches! That may have been because I smelled like delicious pizza though.

                                                                  [–]Miserygut 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  That may have been because I smelled like delicious pizza though.

                                                                  You do you.

                                                                  [–]caper1144 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  When I was on strike, there was one black guy in our group of 5 guys at our strike location. One of the other guys, his wife would bring their two dogs over every couple of days. God dam the dogs started barking at the black guy and only at the black guy every time they saw him.... It was so embarrassing.

                                                                  [–]Capt_Tattoo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  As a black person living in a predominately white area one of the greatest things is when I see a baby and I'm obviously the first black person they see. They just stare in bewilderment, it's the most adorable thing.

                                                                  When I visited my cousin in Austria his baby was obsessed with me, he would stare all the time. He eventually got used to it in time but would love to try and grab my arms and look at my tattoos

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                                                                    [–]DefNotaZombie 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    did they want to touch your weird hair?

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                                                                      [–]koproller 531 ポイント532 ポイント  (68子コメント)

                                                                      The article tells us that newborns don't show a prefer of own-race faces. Also: Babies prefer members of the race they see the most.

                                                                      The race they see the most, is their biological parents race and thus in most cases also their own race.

                                                                      [–]uglychican0 444 ポイント445 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                      Babies prefer whoever fucking looks like mom with the food/boobies.

                                                                      [–]TrumpSJW 136 ポイント137 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                      Can confirm. Used to be a baby.

                                                                      [–]pm_your_lifehistory 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      They really do. All of mine would do this when they were really young. Just stare at any women that remotely looked like mom.

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                                                                        [–]stripeygreenhat 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Interestingly enough, babies of different race parents don't exhibit a preference.

                                                                        [–]eaterpkh 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                        Babies prefer what is most familiar to them. Yeah. The way this is asserted makes it seem as if you're trying to make a point against the study but racism is atleast in part an extreme extension of some sort of familiarity bias.

                                                                        The point is that racism is seen as this premeditated choice that requires conscious thought when the reality is that its roots are viscerally a part of our beings. If one points to babies being racist as a byproduct of being too immersed in a society of their own skin color then the only viable solution would be to.. what? Forcibly raise them in societies that have equal divisions of people?

                                                                        No, that's absurd. Just teach your kids to be respectful of all backgrounds. Worked on me, worked on you, works on most people.

                                                                        [–]earthleague 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Part of the problem is that people aren't being clear enough about the distinction between racism and racial bias. Yes, we all have racial bias. That's why we tend to hang out with and date members of our own race. We feel comfortable with the familiar, be it culture, skin color, etc. That's not the same thing as being racist. A baby might display racial bias but that doesn't make them racist.

                                                                        [–]ThePrimitus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        There's way too many people in this thread using racism and racial bias interchangeably. It's reddit though so no one should be surprised.

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                                                                            [–]TumblinTonyT 156 ポイント157 ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                                                            Dude, you didn't even read the abstract to the link you posted!

                                                                            The findings imply that adults' perceptions of ethnic differences are learned and derived from differences in exposure to own- versus other-race faces during early development.

                                                                            The conclusion of the authors of the report is consistent with the message of this post: that racial favoritism is a learned characteristic rather than an innate one. It just happens to develop early since babies tend to be exposed to mothers of their own race first, quickly developing a psychological connection between the safety of momma and her race.

                                                                            [–]amanitus 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            I'd love to know more about this in terms of babies that have been adopted by parents of another race. It would be interesting to see if this is because of their parents or if there is a ingrained preference.

                                                                            [–]DefNotaZombie 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            that WOULD be interesting. Presumably some sort of imprinting is going on - whoever is taking care of the baby is de facto the baby's "in group"

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                                                                              [–]MrFlowerpants 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Also babies can tell who's attractive and who isn't.
                                                                              Those damn judging babies.

                                                                              [–]LtAramaki 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Though we're not born racist, we rapidly become accustomed to our environment, and we show preference towards familiarity as early 3 months of age, you mean. Well, yeah.

                                                                              [–]ChornWork2 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                              And study says they don't have a preference day one, rather it is learned within first 3 months.

                                                                              While newborn infants demonstrated no spontaneous preference for faces from either their own- or other-ethnic groups, 3-month-old infants demonstrated a significant preference for faces from their own-ethnic group. These results suggest that preferential selectivity based on ethnic differences is not present in the first days of life, but is learned within the first 3 months of life. The findings imply that adults' perceptions of ethnic differences are learned and derived from differences in exposure to own- versus other-race faces during early development.

                                                                              [–]IndoArya 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                              They can't really see at Day 1.

                                                                              [–]ALLCAPSMANIAC 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Plus, little babies poop in their pants, so I don't think that they are the best example of how we should behave in general.

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                                                                                [–]SkinSuitUnSub 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                this would make sense . Dogs for example will bond loyally with a species that has two legs instead of four ,not much body hair and likely in their opinion has bad body odor . Imprinting is a hell of a drug

                                                                                [–]ChornWork2 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                My mother is a frying Pan being dragged around in a circle by a small conveyor mounted above my pen.

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                                                                                  [–]j1nzo 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                  from the abstract

                                                                                  While newborn infants demonstrated no spontaneous preference for faces from either their own- or other-ethnic groups, 3-month-old infants demonstrated a significant preference for faces from their own-ethnic group. These results suggest that preferential selectivity based on ethnic differences is not present in the first days of life, but is learned within the first 3 months of life

                                                                                  so the initial statement remains correct.

                                                                                  [–]nonametogive 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                  64 sample size is INCREDIBLY small. Not only that, they admit in the paper that adding more to the sample size lowered their statistic.

                                                                                  [–]iismitch55 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                  They admitted they P-hacked this paper? Why would anyone publish this?

                                                                                  [–]KilleryCunton 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  They also built their argument around child 1 day then 3 monthes old. They said infant's at 1 day showed no preference so it was a learned prefrence. They didn't take into account 1 day old infant's can't even see worth a shit. They can't focus their eyes. Hard to have a preference based on vision if you can't see what you are supposed to be looking at. The "study" is bunk trash.

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                                                                                    [–]braised_diaper_shit 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                    They prefer people that look most like their parents.

                                                                                    [–]frivilouschimp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Rats also exhibit this behavior. I'm on mobile so I'll find the link later if you anyone is interested.

                                                                                    [–]Honey_And_Blood 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Did they account for mixed race children with parents of two distinct ethnicities? It seems like the babies prefer member of their own race, because they tend to trust their parents.

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                                                                                      [–]Cyclobox 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      But some are born Jedi.

                                                                                      [–]p5ym0n 345 ポイント346 ポイント  (49子コメント)

                                                                                      You say that, but when I was younger I used to work at a zoo in Kent, UK. I used to get in for free with friends and family. I took my 3 year old niece who was already used to seeing the gorillas but as her mother is a house dwelling introvert hadn't seen the diversity of the community.

                                                                                      So we're at the second gorilla enclosure, and she starts screaming "they've escaped! they've escaped!" I know there's a life size statue of a gorilla in the display behind us so I pretend to panic as you do as an uncle. But she's not pointing at the gorilla. She's pointing at a family of very dark skined black people from London. Almost the opposite direction to the statue. Now LUCKILY they're not douche bags and took it all in good humor, one of the older boys thumped on his chest. They said it was all cool. But if they'd have taken it to heart I'd have been lynched for sure.

                                                                                      [–]CaptMcAllister 233 ポイント234 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                      My little brother pointed to the first black man he'd ever seen and loudly said "His face is covered in chocolate." I was pretty mortified, for an 8 year old. The dude seemed pretty cool with it and laughed.

                                                                                      Though I guess saying someone is chocolate is much better than saying they're a gorilla.

                                                                                      [–]cinderful 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                      My 6 month year old son stared at our friend for about 10m straight . . . and then leaned in to lick her.

                                                                                      (we are 100% sure he thought she might be made of chocolate)

                                                                                      [–]Anonymously-Used 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                      Me and my 6 yo cousin were at an Astros baseball game a few years ago. Y'know how they have those guys who walk around with the snacks and such? The guy in our section was an African American selling some snow cones. My cousin decided to scream out, "hey black guy, can I get a snow cone!?"

                                                                                      He heard and when he came over I apologized and we laughed it off.

                                                                                      [–]LOOQnow 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                      What? Is the word black racist now? I'm from the UK and I'm pretty sure it's not racist here. And what happens when he is black but not an African American, he's British?

                                                                                      [–]Anonymously-Used 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                      I'm in America. But, saying he's black isn't racist, it's the fact he says "black guy" instead of saying something like "snow cone guy" or just "guy."

                                                                                      [–]lion_OBrian 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      It's not racism, but making the distinction by specifically calling him by his principal difference could have had made him feel ousted, not on an equal footing

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                                                                                        [–]Qwaternary 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        How long is a month year?

                                                                                        [–]ten_inch_pianist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        About ten times as long as a day week.

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                                                                                            [–]jurassiceyebrows 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            When I was 3 or 4 I saw a very stout black woman at the grocery store, and said "Look mom! A gorilla!"

                                                                                            Seriously. WHAT THE FUCK.

                                                                                            Honestly I just hadn't seen very many black people in my life, so I realized that she looked different. But dear god how mortifying for my poor mother.

                                                                                            Weirdly though, I remember being in my catechism class prior to getting my first communion when I was about 8. I remember it well, we went a couple evenings a week and I made lots of new friends and I remember the old lady who gave us worksheets about Jesus. Whatevs, right? I looked at pictures years later and I was literally the only white kid in a class of 15 kids, including the teacher. Everyone else was Mexican. The thought literally never occurred to me. In fact I don't think it ever would have unless I didn't hear my mom make a joke about me being the only white kid. I specifically remember it because it was like a weird lightbulb went off.

                                                                                            I never even realized they looked different or that we may have had cultural differences. I didn't connect the idea that some of these kids spoke Spanish with each other to the fact that half our mass had Spanish songs and a Spanish mass....I honestly thought it was normal. Like, some people speak Spanish, okay cool.

                                                                                            We lived in a small mountain town in New Mexico. Most of the parishoners were Mexican and the mass was very traditional....I never picked up on any of this.

                                                                                            So I think that kids recognize aesthetic differences if their exposure to those differences is not often, but don't make a connection to "looking different = race". The concept of race never occurred to me.

                                                                                            Likewise, I moved with my kids to the Middle East. I expected my older child to notice some differences in dress, in a benign way. Like, "look mommy that man is wearing a white dress" or "That lady is wearing a black hat" (hijab). Nope. Not even a "Why is that lady talking funny?" (referring to different English accents) Nope.

                                                                                            He's 5 and he's never once made a comment or asked me questions pertaining to physical differences like skin color or national dress. Honestly it's bizarre. Like, he knows what a Thobe is, he knows that the thobes in Oman look different than the ones in Qatar, but he's never been like, "why is that man wearing a dress?" lol. I expected him to take more notice. And honestly the only reason why I think he notices now is because they have culture lessons in class and explicitly pointed it out. He has still never asked about why some of his friends moms cover their hair or their faces.

                                                                                            So I guess it's all relative. Maybe if we moved at a different time in his development he would have noticed. Maybe I saw that black lady at a particularly fluid and impressionable time in my awareness, and that's why I never realized that I "looked different" or had any differences from the Mexican kids in my religious education class later on.

                                                                                            [–]thrw87 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                            My dog is insanely friendly but he barks at black people and indian people. (I have black and indian friends)

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                                                                                              [–]Gabby_Johnson444 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                              Life has taught me that people suck no matter what color they are.

                                                                                              [–]spin_kick 239 ポイント240 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                                              Not true, humans are incredibly tribal and territorial. We break up into groups on what video game system is better for crying out loud.

                                                                                              [–]-Seraph 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                              You are pretty much correct. The one clarification I would make is that humans hate anyone that's not in their tribe, but society expands our definition of what our tribe is. First we saw our city as our tribe, then our country, then our religion, then our race, and one day it'll be everyone. Obviously this is an over simplification, but the basic idea makes sense.

                                                                                              Edit: At no point did i say we require an alien invasion to unite humanity. (Although that would probably work)

                                                                                              [–]CatoftheCana1s 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              recognizing differences in itself is not hate or racism

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                                                                                                [–]Cockwombles 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                Is that Guinan and Picard?

                                                                                                [–]pastry_puff 285 ポイント286 ポイント  (48子コメント)

                                                                                                My white daughter currently attends pre-k in a predominantly black school. She's got curly blonde hair and is constantly having it pulled and touched by the other kids because they've never seen hair like hers. They also pick on her mostly based on the fact that she's white. She's going to a different school next year.

                                                                                                [–]YourOwnSide 144 ポイント145 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                Yep, kids will always mock those who are different, it's a natural instinct for humans to dislike difference. In a "one race" school, kids will find that one who's slightly diffrent, whether it be glasses or freckels or hair colour etc. Skin colour is just another difference they pick on, they have no understanding of racism.

                                                                                                [–]finenite 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                Exactly! Don't you think the same would apply if everyone was the same color? We'd just find something else to be "racist" against.

                                                                                                [–]Munger88 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Like that episode of Fairly Oddparents where he wishes everyone looked exactly the same. They were all transformed into grey blobs. They still were "racist" against those who were less grey or less blob-y even though everyone looked nearly identical.

                                                                                                [–]ballsackjohn 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Like what happened in Rwanda.

                                                                                                [–]brutinator 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Like nationality, religious belief, political ideology, physical defects, mental illness, and the amount of possessions owned. People are honestly naturally hateful, or at the least, wary about anyone who falls outside the "us" category. It's up to age and experience to open up more doors than to shut.

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                                                                                                    [–]skywreckdemon 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    The first part doesn't sound so bad. Little kids are curious and have yet to be taught boundaries.

                                                                                                    The second part however, that's just sad and unfortunate. Good on you for getting her out of there.

                                                                                                    [–]Pustulio0 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    You are doing the right thing. She doesnt need an extra burden during her developing years.

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                                                                                                      [–]Chayah 257 ポイント258 ポイント  (58子コメント)

                                                                                                      I want an adult version of what that black kid is wearing.. that kids looks cool af in that getup

                                                                                                      [–]NaokoKobayashi13 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                      No joke. They're comfy as fudge

                                                                                                      [–]juliusaurus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                      Draped in velvet

                                                                                                      [–]laserfox90 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                      Are you a girl or guy? If you a girl its just an abaya a lot if Muslim women wear em and I heard they're hella comfy. If you a dude and wanna wear something very comfy that looks similar, a lot of Arabs wear thawbs, and I can attest that they're super comfy and dope

                                                                                                      [–]Chayah 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Im a dude but i want that, the hood is a huge selling point

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                                                                                                          [–]Rythemy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                          You sure about that statement? You don't think that white baby is thinking: "wtf is this dude getting all touchy touchy on my face?"

                                                                                                          [–]redditimrobot 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                          No one is born wearing a hijab too.

                                                                                                          [–]darklordabc 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                          Cute but a bit factually misleading, racism is in part learnt but the human tendency for tribalism and favoring similarity does naturally incline us to racism. Keep in mind, explaining racism is not the same as defending it.

                                                                                                          [–]sloppothegreat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          As Hannibal Burress said (more or less), "I'm not the type of person to say babies can be racist. What I will say is that they can have favorite colors."

                                                                                                          [–]-iSapien- 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          Yes we are. But racism is a bad name for it. It's a social ape behaviour called 'outgrouping'. This is done with families, races, ethnicities, nationalities, religions, sports teams, .. .. pretty much any group that is different than my group.

                                                                                                          [–]craker42 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          Regardless of your religious beliefs, you've got to admit, Muslim clothes look comfy as hell.

                                                                                                          [–]emanresueuqinuym 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          Is the one on the right in between scenes for a Star Wars movie?

                                                                                                          [–]RobopirateNinja 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          Wow, that's really deep. You must be a philosopher or sumtin'.

                                                                                                          [–]ScaredForTheFurtre 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          I am of two races (white and black) and I receive questions whenever I go outside my apartment. I have also been treated differently on both sides.

                                                                                                          My dad's side is white. I barely have any contact with them due to my dad being a complete monster. They would ask why I'm darker and if I was adopted but that was it. Well, my dad cut my hair to sell it for crack, so I don't know if that counts.

                                                                                                          My mom's side is a mix but predominantly black. They brought ammo. You see, anyone who is lighter is ostracized. With me, there are highlights:

                                                                                                          "You got good hair."

                                                                                                          " You're adopted."

                                                                                                          "You're not black enough."

                                                                                                          Cousins and aunts have tried to cut our hair.

                                                                                                          They believe I'm out to get them because I'm lighter. They have said we have white devil blood.

                                                                                                          I'm sorry that my parents loved each other at the time and produced me. Does that make me a demon? No, but I'm looking at your attitude and it sucks. It doesn't matter to me what you look like; your hatred for a MINUSCULE DETAIL is appalling.

                                                                                                          Science may show that instinctual bias exists, but what about those like me? I've been asked if I was Native American, Indian, Egyptian, Moroccan, etc. People are either in awe or completely revolted. I'd rather people ask questions instead of assume.

                                                                                                          My mom taught us not to hate and made sure we met different kids. I guess that helped me understand that bias is only compounded by what is learned.

                                                                                                          TL;DR - I am mixed and I am not immune to hate.

                                                                                                          [–]Pokemon_Jesus 143 ポイント144 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                                                          Shut the fuck up with these posts already. sigh

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