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[–]DefNotaZombie 8368 ポイント8369 ポイント  (925子コメント)

[–]413729220 3633 ポイント3634 ポイント  (515子コメント)

Seems to me like it makes a lot of sense. Why do people think the world is still so divided by race? People tend to stay with their groups, and we've been doing that for hundreds of thousands of years.

It's not a bad thing, it's just nature. But the real incredible thing is that we are able to learn to put those differences behind us.

As a great being once said: "What is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"

[–]ThunderPanther 1025 ポイント1026 ポイント  (92子コメント)

Good old Paarthurnax

[–]tomatomater 635 ポイント636 ポイント  (70子コメント)

Good overcame evil old Paarthurnax

FTFY

[–]wtfduud 166 ポイント167 ポイント  (60子コメント)

Paarthurnax died for our sins.

Just kidding, nobody actually killed Paarthurnax..... did they?

[–]Northumberlo [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

I installed a mod allowing me to keep him alive and explain my decision to the blades. Fuck ultimatums.

[–]Zuphixavex [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Shit. I just realised that I never actually beat the alduin fight and had never knows about this.

[–]Carzon375 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That's uh, quite a ways before alduin

[–]BarTroll [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I don't recall if he says this before the Alduin fight, but i'm 100% certain he says if after. I did that quest 3 or 4 days ago.

[–]VindictiveJudge [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is there a mod to let me slaughter the Blades in retaliation for asking me to kill Paarthurnax?

[–]doomsdaydefense [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seriously. What a stupid way for the blades' plotline to end.

[–]AuntBettysNutButter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As soon as those Blades asked me to do it, I immediately shouted those bastards right off the cliff.

[–]51Bootwearer 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I fucking knew it, before I scrolled down to this I was thinking "That old ass dragon from skyrim said this right?"

[–]Jeremythecookie [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

NEVER BETHESDA ! You hear me ? I will never kill Paarthurnax. Fuck those guys. I love you Paarthurnax.

[–]ASK_ME_IF_IM_YEEZUS [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lydia was ready to slaughtered him, too, I could tell. Do you hear him, bitch?! This motherfucker is a philosophic mastermind not to mention A TALKING DRAGON.

[–]ijustlovepolitics [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My first playthrough I killed him since I wanted to trade in my dragon scales and shit. Realized how useless that faction was. My second playthrough he got to be my dragon bro.

[–]DnD_Rogue 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha, haha, oh Elder Scrolls...

[–]JustJoeBSurvey 2016 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That didn't prevent him from getting my axe through his skull, tho.

[–]Mookind 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (50子コメント)

Yea but what that study doesn't tell you is that if you put babies in uniforms that changes the whole equation

It's so superficial a bit of clothing can overcome it

And babies are not aware of their own race, only those around them...

[–]demnipsdemnips [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Can you give a source for this? I try to stay abreast of child development/psych research and I am not aware of this "changing the whole equation".

[–]ProblematicDiscourse [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

but what that study doesn't tell you is that if you put babies in uniforms that changes the whole equation

Where did you get that idea?

Also what about several other studies that show that toddlers show racial preference when picking playmates, and give more to members of their own race when sharing?

[–]are_you_seriously 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Because the world IS divided by race still.

There are also a lot of mentally lazy and emotionally weak people. With the right combination of those negative traits, the prejudice becomes racism. There is a line, and that line is fuzzy.

Put another way, preference for one group doesn't automatically equate to hatred for all other groups. But it's easy to slide from the former into the latter.

[–]ProblematicDiscourse [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

It's really just an extension of kin selection.

We innately show preference towards those who are most genetically similar to us, and are less willing to be altrustic to people the more genetic difference is between us. Which is why discrimination against groups different from you makes perfect evolutionary sense, we want as many of our genes to propogate as possible.

Now that of course does not mean that creating prejudiced law in a multicultural society is justified. But parents will continue to prefer that their daughters brings home a guy of the same race, and people will generally prefer to live and socialize with their own race, and will be more altruistic to their own race.

[–]onenight1234 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (13子コメント)

There's no way a baby knows its own race at 3 months old. It's probably familiarity to their parents or something more than the baby having an innate feeling that he should stick to his own kind.

[–]Karl_Marx_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A baby doesn't know race, but knows what is similar to them. I agree though, the race of the parents probably is something they are looking for because it makes them comfortable.

[–]Simmons_M8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's probably familiarity to their parents or something

Well that's what race is though - familiarity and identity with the tribe.

[–]ChornWork2 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (190子コメント)

Study actually says learned behavior based on exposure in first 3 months.

Not that surprising given race is not a biologically relevant concept.

Edit: downvote away... Doesn't change it. Anyone who thinks what I said is wrong should do some googling to educate themselves on this hugely relevant point.

edit2: From a quick google, here is a representative piece explaining why races are not biologically significant concept, which also makes it clear it is a consensus view. From the american association of physical anthropologists

[–]luxuryballs 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (152子コメント)

what does it mean, not biologically relevant? it's literally in your DNA...

[–]ibobamthereal 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Race is a social concept based on phenotypic expression. Genetics are way more complicated than that, anthropologists don't use concepts like "race" because it really doesn't apply

[–]callddit 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The amount of people who think "race" and "ethnicity" are the same thing really is depressing.

[–]psluna [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yeah just about everybody making an argument for the biology of "race" is talking about ethnicity in the thread.

[–]super_nova_777 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In history especially after like at least 5000 years we're talking, there's been like a million different armies/cultures/"races" and this only came about after the three first types of humans merged together. Genetics are randomized in a lot of cases but it all depends on your view of things. I've literally seen people of all colour who've had near identical faces to each other despite colour. Melanin levels and skin types are changes that any breed of humanity can go through to adapt to their climate types. You gotta remember that people who occupy certain climates have spent millenias there while being isolated from other cultures before comjng into contact with other races like we do now, so even if everyone has been mixed 5000 - 2000 years ago or even just 1000-500 years ago, the amount of time that they remained in their habitat would support their skin type more than just a simple mixture from so long ago. Everyone starts out like tanned but not dark or white, melanin production depends on sunlight and such climate factors. In the beginning humans come from a land where it's sunny but as my atheist science teacher puts it, they weren't white or black.

[–]TheMilkJug [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

The vast majority of biologists and geneticist that study such thing do not believe in "races" because the traditional concept does not correlate with evidence found in the last 60 odd years of research. Here is a decent primer as to why.

[–]through_a_ways [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

what does it mean, not biologically relevant? it's literally in your DNA...

Yeah, I remember when that toddler was PCRing my saliva samples so he could tell if I was truly white.../s

"Race", as 99.99% of people use the term, is mainly what you see with your eyes, and how that fits in with the other stuff you see/learn.

There is a genetic basis for classifying different populations, but that is not the same as "race".

If we use your logic, we would say that blue eyed white people are not white, and that dark skinned frizzy haired people are not even remotely black. The Kalasha from Afghanistan are genetically different from Europeans, and Papuans and west Africans are most divergent pair of populations on the planet.

So basically, white people are more related to brown Arabs than other white people. Black people are more related to whites, Asians, and literally everyone else on earth than they are to other black-looking people. If you think racism is a way to promote "similar" genes, then it's got some MAJOR flaws.

Babies don't analyze your DNA. They look at what you look like. The color of your skin is an exceedingly tiny fraction of the overall genome, but is a very big part of your visual impression.

[–]darth6ixious [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I read up a lot o human haplogroups as a hobby just to learn stuff. I tried to do 23 and me years back , but it didn't work out due to boarder problems, im in canada so It was hard to send biological samples to the US.

I agree with your comment about europeans being more related to indians of southeast asia then some other european groups. IIRC latin-speaking europeans (italians, romanians, spaniards etc), germanic (english, germans, norwegians etc) and slavs (russians, serbians , ukrainians, poles etc) are more closely related genetically AND linguistically to Indians then they are to some of the FInno-Ugric people (hungarians and Fins ) which look obviously more europeans then Indians.

Just something cool I found. Ya race is made up, but ethnicity isnt and its cool to read up on it. Makes you more aware of the world and people on it.

[–]ChornWork2 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (115子コメント)

Genetic variation within so-called races is much greater than genetic variation between so-called races, and there is no way to define races in biological terms that is consistent with a biologically significant distinction.

Simply put, race is purely a social construct and any delineation based on genetic differences is arbitrary.

Edit: put another way, how does one test for, or measure, race?

[–]CellularPeptideCake 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (64子コメント)

I am confused by this. A skeleton's continent of origin can be determined quite easily, as can hair and tissue samples. If you mean that our racial terms (black, white, etc) are social constructs then of course that is true. But phenotypically-distinct groups, separated by thousands of years of evolution, are certainly a biological reality.

[–]ChornWork2 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

What is the relevant measurement of race? What test can be conducted to conclude what my race is?

From a quick google, heres a representative piece explaining why races are not biologically significant concept, which also makes it clear it is a consensus view.

http://physanth.org/about/position-statements/biological-aspects-race/

[–]NitrousIsAGas [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

[–]reddituser12332 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

just thought id TLDR this: we can use gene homogenities to identify race. eg Tutsi peoples will have a certain cluster of genes in certain combinations that distinguish them from Hutu peoples. The whole lie that there is more variation within populations than between populations is nonsense and irrational. Imagine person A is 90% different from person B, both in the same population... now in another population person C is 50% different from person D... person D is not somehow going to be closer to person A and B if they are already massively different from people in the SAME population. they will be EVEN MORE different from people in different populations

[–]oz6364 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (50子コメント)

babies find comfort in familiarity. im not surprised that they would prefer faces that are most similar to their primary care-givers

[–]ProblematicDiscourse [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Actually they show racial bias not only to faces, but when picking playmates as well

Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. Researchers from the University of Washington noticed that babies were more willing to share their toys with others who shared their ethnicity.

Not only that but their inbuilt instinct for fairness doesn't activate when it's babies of other races:

When the two adults who were receiving the evenly or unevenly divided toys were of different races and the race of the one who got more toys matched the babies' own, the 70% preference for the fair distributor dropped and the share of babies wanting to play with the unfair one rose. The implication: unfairness is bad, unless someone from your clan is getting the extra goodies.

[–]DelayedReflex [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm curious if babies prefer to share toys with playmates of their ethnicity, or of their parents? Like would an asian or black child adopted by white parents prefer to share with asian or black children, or white children?

[–]stereotype_novelty 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (37子コメント)

Literally every organism finds comfort in familiarity. Why we're trying to brainwash ourselves into thinking this is a bad thing worthy of unlearning baffles me.

[–]stripeygreenhat 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The problem is that conclusion gets used to justify prejudice, rather than put effort into fixing what we can change, such as exposure through media.

[–]TheLurkerSpeaks [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The problem is that conclusion gets used to justify prejudice, rather than put effort into fixing what we can change, such as exposure through media meeting people from other cultures.

FTFY

[–]falafelbot 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I find comfort in not going to work, playing video games, and eating 3 pints of Ben & Jerry's every day.

What is comfortable is often not what is best for our minds, bodies, or for our communities.

[–]GisterMizard [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

When you have dolts taking it to the extreme that some races are better than others and that's reason to discriminate against them . . . that's worthy of not learning.

[–]koproller 318 ポイント319 ポイント  (53子コメント)

The article tells us that newborns don't show a prefer of own-race faces. Also: Babies prefer members of the race they see the most.

The race they see the most, is their biological parents race and thus in most cases also their own race.

[–]uglychican0 276 ポイント277 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Babies prefer whoever fucking looks like mom with the food/boobies.

[–]eaterpkh 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Babies prefer what is most familiar to them. Yeah. The way this is asserted makes it seem as if you're trying to make a point against the study but racism is atleast in part an extreme extension of some sort of familiarity bias.

The point is that racism is seen as this premeditated choice that requires conscious thought when the reality is that its roots are viscerally a part of our beings. If one points to babies being racist as a byproduct of being too immersed in a society of their own skin color then the only viable solution would be to.. what? Forcibly raise them in societies that have equal divisions of people?

No, that's absurd. Just teach your kids to be respectful of all backgrounds. Worked on me, worked on you, works on most people.

[–]stripeygreenhat 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interestingly enough, babies of different race parents don't exhibit a preference.

[–]ProblematicDiscourse 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Actually they show racial bias not only to faces, but when picking playmates as well

Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. Researchers from the University of Washington noticed that babies were more willing to share their toys with others who shared their ethnicity.

Not only that but their inbuilt instinct for fairness doesn't activate when it's babies of other races:

When the two adults who were receiving the evenly or unevenly divided toys were of different races and the race of the one who got more toys matched the babies' own, the 70% preference for the fair distributor dropped and the share of babies wanting to play with the unfair one rose. The implication: unfairness is bad, unless someone from your clan is getting the extra goodies.

[–]koproller 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (19子コメント)

A small nuance: it isn't exactly a racial bias, it's a "who looks the most like my parent"-bias.

[–]Intrepid00 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Went to Africa. Freaked out infants. Took some pictures. They eventually warm up to you.

[–]62400repetitions [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

When I worked as a delivery driver black and Hispanic babies definitely had this adorable "WTF" look at my pasty skin with light blonde hair and blue eyes. They were so stinking cute though! You could see their brains trying to figure out what was happening, and they just couldn't process it. Funny faces, waving, mimicking how their mothers/person watching them spoke did not even register. My black co-worker had the same experience with white babies.

I just wanted adorable baby smiles to break up the monotony of terrible traffic and tips, but their confused little faces were hilarious. At least most pets didn't notice my skin color and let me give them scratches! That may have been because I smelled like delicious pizza though.

[–]Leegandlyme [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You know it's always good to say specifically where you went in Africa. Africa is a big place with many countries.

[–]TumblinTonyT [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Dude, you didn't even read the abstract to the link you posted!

The findings imply that adults' perceptions of ethnic differences are learned and derived from differences in exposure to own- versus other-race faces during early development.

The conclusion of the authors of the report is consistent with the message of this post: that racial favoritism is a learned characteristic rather than an innate one. It just happens to develop early since babies tend to be exposed to mothers of their own race first, quickly developing a psychological connection between the safety of momma and her race.

[–]ChornWork2 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (26子コメント)

And study says they don't have a preference day one, rather it is learned within first 3 months.

While newborn infants demonstrated no spontaneous preference for faces from either their own- or other-ethnic groups, 3-month-old infants demonstrated a significant preference for faces from their own-ethnic group. These results suggest that preferential selectivity based on ethnic differences is not present in the first days of life, but is learned within the first 3 months of life. The findings imply that adults' perceptions of ethnic differences are learned and derived from differences in exposure to own- versus other-race faces during early development.

[–]IndoArya 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They can't really see at Day 1.

[–]ALLCAPSMANIAC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Plus, little babies poop in their pants, so I don't think that they are the best example of how we should behave in general.

[–]SkinSuitUnSub 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

this would make sense . Dogs for example will bond loyally with a species that has two legs instead of four ,not much body hair and likely in their opinion has bad body odor . Imprinting is a hell of a drug

[–]ChornWork2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My mother is a frying Pan being dragged around in a circle by a small conveyor mounted above my pen.

[–]savemebarrry 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Alright, all we have to do is keep them away from their family for 3 months and put them in diversity training

[–]bkgvyjfjliy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I mean, you say this, but daycare for my nieces has them not race-blind, but definitely race-neutral after being exposed daily to other kids with black, brown, ginger, etc. skin.

[–]Loongeg [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Or maybe just try to let the baby come in frequent contact with a diverse group of people?

[–]amanitus 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd love to know more about this in terms of babies that have been adopted by parents of another race. It would be interesting to see if this is because of their parents or if there is a ingrained preference.

[–]DefNotaZombie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

that WOULD be interesting. Presumably some sort of imprinting is going on - whoever is taking care of the baby is de facto the baby's "in group"

[–]LtAramaki 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Though we're not born racist, we rapidly become accustomed to our environment, and we show preference towards familiarity as early 3 months of age, you mean. Well, yeah.

[–]j1nzo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

from the abstract

While newborn infants demonstrated no spontaneous preference for faces from either their own- or other-ethnic groups, 3-month-old infants demonstrated a significant preference for faces from their own-ethnic group. These results suggest that preferential selectivity based on ethnic differences is not present in the first days of life, but is learned within the first 3 months of life

so the initial statement remains correct.

[–]KilleryCunton [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The problem is that assumption is idiotic. It is also shown the first few weeks of infant's life that can hardly see. Sure as fuck not In the first day. They track motion at best they can't focus their eyes.

[–]nonametogive 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

64 sample size is INCREDIBLY small. Not only that, they admit in the paper that adding more to the sample size lowered their statistic.

[–]KilleryCunton [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They also built their argument around child 1 day then 3 monthes old. They said infant's at 1 day showed no preference so it was a learned prefrence. They didn't take into account 1 day old infant's can't even see worth a shit. They can't focus their eyes. Hard to have a preference based on vision if you can't see what you are supposed to be looking at. The "study" is bunk trash.

[–]MrFlowerpants [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also babies can tell who's attractive and who isn't.
Those damn judging babies.

[–]frivilouschimp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rats also exhibit this behavior. I'm on mobile so I'll find the link later if you anyone is interested.

[–]Qwertyest 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I know you're making a joke, but there's still a bit of a difference between preferring your own race, and hating someone and considering them inferior to you based on the colour of their skin.

[–]Honey_And_Blood 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did they account for mixed race children with parents of two distinct ethnicities? It seems like the babies prefer member of their own race, because they tend to trust their parents.

[–]dick-nipples 302 ポイント303 ポイント  (15子コメント)

So you're telling me this kid didn't pick out his own outfit?

[–]cheerl231 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (6子コメント)

That picture makes me really sad.

[–]schrodingerkarmacat [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

It kind of makes me happy... What I see is a little innocent girl who is just exploring the things around her, and some police officers who are admiring the innocence of a young child.

[–]ragamuphin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I like how she looking and reaching out to her reflection

"Is this what I have become? Was I the spoopy ghost all along?"

[–]PrgrmrLdy 1274 ポイント1275 ポイント  (97子コメント)

Black person chiming in here-

I was always treated like a science project when I was in all white towns and schools. Kids would touch my hair, and ask tons of questions. When African nations would come to out school to perform on International celebration day all the kids would ask me what they were saying. I don't speak Swahili, I'm from NYC. As an adult I have co-workers ask me if they should call me black, African American, or colored. I never saw any of this as racism. It never felt like this dumb shit came from a hateful place.

Now when the Italians would want to throw me out of their theatre in College Park, or we were notified we were on the wrong side of Rockaway beach, we knew that was hate. Just last month when the white woman slammed the door in my face, then once I made in the lobby asked me if I had my badge to be there, I knew from her glare at me, her snotty tone, and the demeanor that she didn't think my black ass should be in her building.

I have had the worst things said about my skin tone from other people of color! Latinos, Indians, and black people darker than me talking shit because they are taught that lighter is better. A racist hates all of our brown asses but amongst ourselves you will find the worst results of trickle down hate amongst generations.

Just because folks gravitate to folks that look like them doesn't mean that they are racist and hateful. I have to say both words together because you can even be labelled as racist and not be hateful. You are a liar if you don't think generalizations are true. Those generalizations make folks yell racism every 5 minutes on Twitter. Just because I tease an Asian that she is an awful driver does not mean that I have hate for her or her race and she should stay away from me. It simply means she is a walking stereotype.

This politically correct, overly sensitive time is ridiculous. Hate is just that. You never have to question it. You can feel it, you can see it, and you teach it. Just lighten up and be truly be kind to one another. For fucks sake don't be scared of someone DIFFERENT than you!

[–]zdw2082 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for putting that out there man. Excellent points! Asking questions and trying to understand people's differences are always the way to go! I had a great business professor that always said "Capitalize on people's differences, don't shy away from them". People aren't the same in more ways than one, and that's just fine.

[–]troyboltonislife [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I never thought about how hard it must be for a black person to not know if someone is being a dick cause their skin color or cause they just don't like me. I've run into salty old women before who treated me that but I just chalked it up to them being salty old women. If I was black id be questioning whether it's due to race. Must be very frustrating.

[–]deathnate4 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If I was black id be questioning whether it's due to race. Must be very frustrating.

Oh it certainly is, but it's something we just have to learn to deal with. It's also unfortunate because the more racist experiences one encounters, the more likely you'll assume that people are being racist even when there are probably other reasons for their behaviour.

[–]Cuzeverynameistaken [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As a South Asian the black being inferior thing annoys the shit out of me. I'm white for a south Asian, so white that if I was one skin tone lighter I'd be white not olive skin. Anyway, I always see my darker friends and family complain about how I have "somehow" a better skin colour. Then they make fun of me when my face goes red in summer or when I complain about the sunburn I got.

[–]Josetheone1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Thing is black people isnt one big homogeneous group of people, we all have different culture, history and genetic backgrounds.

I'm Brazilian Jamaican, speak poor Portuguese and understand Patois, my culture, language, history even genetic make up is different to a African American or a Nigerian, we're all different shades of brown but we're all painted with the same brush, while it has positives like allowing unity and inclusion it also devalues our being to people on the outside.

[–]Apocalypse487x [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

South Asian chiming in. My people culturally are racist towards darker skin people. Even among their own race. My dad's side of the family hates my mom's side of the family simply because they're farmers and have darker skin from being out and working.

People just hate on people who work out in the field ultimately because they'll just have darker skin so they're lower class to them.

Racism and classism are almost intertwined in my opinion.

[–]TheBatchLord [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I have the pleasure of being a white mom to a black daughter. Everyday is a learning experience. A few years ago I posted something here on Reddit that included her in the picture, and the nastiness flowed like honey. Flip side to that reality is that it really prompted me to investigate how many black role models and community I was helping her have her access to. Spoiler: woefully little.

[–]LittleNatch [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

You have coworkers that ask if referring to you as colored is still okay?

[–]spadeNotSpade [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You'll understand when you're older. I'm serious, because I used to think the same thing

[–]PerInception [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

You know that is a normal term in many parts of the world right? There are even parts of the world where negro just means black!

[–]Br1887 946 ポイント947 ポイント  (94子コメント)

I was told that having black friends doesn't mean you're not racist. This white baby could still be racist.

[–]AverageMerica 288 ポイント289 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was told that having black friends doesn't mean you're not racist.

whew, good thing I don't have any black friends.

[–]xiNFiNiiTYxEST 318 ポイント319 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Oh so only the white baby can be racist not the black one?

[–]Meltingteeth10M Treasure Hunt Winner 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The hallmark of twats is when they change entire definitions of words to suit their agenda. "Women can't be sexist," "black people can't be racist," "you can only use the woodchipper for wood, put that spraypaint away."

Just get off my dick, society.

[–]modi13 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"you can only use the woodchipper for wood, put that spraypaint Steve Buscemi away."

[–]skine09 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Shut the fuck up, Donny. You're out of your element.

[–]danfromwaterloo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Totally agree. When you start fucking with definitions to suit your agenda, it's the linguistic equivalent to gerrymandering.

Racism is racism. Stop trying to fuck with it. Let's just focus our efforts on treating other with equal respect and dignity.

[–]BaggyOz 166 ポイント167 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Well yeah the white baby has way more power and privilege than the black baby.

[–]onemessageyo 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What do you mean? That white baby is scared shitless and the black baby is inspecting the white baby for quality teeth because that white baby is about to go on auction.

[–]VerbaIAbuse 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Funny how you automatically assume the white baby is the racist, that sounds a bit prejudiced/racist to me.

[–]p5ym0n 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (26子コメント)

You say that, but when I was younger I used to work at a zoo in Kent, UK. I used to get in for free with friends and family. I took my 3 year old niece who was already used to seeing the gorillas but as her mother is a house dwelling introvert hadn't seen the diversity of the community.

So we're at the second gorilla enclosure, and she starts screaming "they've escaped! they've escaped!" I know there's a life size statue of a gorilla in the display behind us so I pretend to panic as you do as an uncle. But she's not pointing at the gorilla. She's pointing at a family of very dark skined black people from London. Almost the opposite direction to the statue. Now LUCKILY they're not douche bags and took it all in good humor, one of the older boys thumped on his chest. They said it was all cool. But if they'd have taken it to heart I'd have been lynched for sure.

[–]CaptMcAllister 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (11子コメント)

My little brother pointed to the first black man he'd ever seen and loudly said "His face is covered in chocolate." I was pretty mortified, for an 8 year old. The dude seemed pretty cool with it and laughed.

Though I guess saying someone is chocolate is much better than saying they're a gorilla.

[–]cinderful 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (6子コメント)

My 6 month year old son stared at our friend for about 10m straight . . . and then leaned in to lick her.

(we are 100% sure he thought she might be made of chocolate)

[–]Anonymously-Used [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Me and my 6 yo cousin were at an Astros baseball game a few years ago. Y'know how they have those guys who walk around with the snacks and such? The guy in our section was an African American selling some snow cones. My cousin decided to scream out, "hey black guy, can I get a snow cone!?"

He heard and when he came over I apologized and we laughed it off.

[–]LOOQnow [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What? Is the word black racist now? I'm from the UK and I'm pretty sure it's not racist here. And what happens when he is black but not an African American, he's British?

[–]jurassiceyebrows [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When I was 3 or 4 I saw a very stout black woman at the grocery store, and said "Look mom! A gorilla!"

Seriously. WHAT THE FUCK.

Honestly I just hadn't seen very many black people in my life, so I realized that she looked different. But dear god how mortifying for my poor mother.

Weirdly though, I remember being in my catechism class prior to getting my first communion when I was about 8. I remember it well, we went a couple evenings a week and I made lots of new friends and I remember the old lady who gave us worksheets about Jesus. Whatevs, right? I looked at pictures years later and I was literally the only white kid in a class of 15 kids, including the teacher. Everyone else was Mexican. The thought literally never occurred to me. In fact I don't think it ever would have unless I didn't hear my mom make a joke about me being the only white kid. I specifically remember it because it was like a weird lightbulb went off.

I never even realized they looked different or that we may have had cultural differences. I didn't connect the idea that some of these kids spoke Spanish with each other to the fact that half our mass had Spanish songs and a Spanish mass....I honestly thought it was normal. Like, some people speak Spanish, okay cool.

We lived in a small mountain town in New Mexico. Most of the parishoners were Mexican and the mass was very traditional....I never picked up on any of this.

So I think that kids recognize aesthetic differences if their exposure to those differences is not often, but don't make a connection to "looking different = race". The concept of race never occurred to me.

Likewise, I moved with my kids to the Middle East. I expected my older child to notice some differences in dress, in a benign way. Like, "look mommy that man is wearing a white dress" or "That lady is wearing a black hat" (hijab). Nope. Not even a "Why is that lady talking funny?" (referring to different English accents) Nope.

He's 5 and he's never once made a comment or asked me questions pertaining to physical differences like skin color or national dress. Honestly it's bizarre. Like, he knows what a Thobe is, he knows that the thobes in Oman look different than the ones in Qatar, but he's never been like, "why is that man wearing a dress?" lol. I expected him to take more notice. And honestly the only reason why I think he notices now is because they have culture lessons in class and explicitly pointed it out. He has still never asked about why some of his friends moms cover their hair or their faces.

So I guess it's all relative. Maybe if we moved at a different time in his development he would have noticed. Maybe I saw that black lady at a particularly fluid and impressionable time in my awareness, and that's why I never realized that I "looked different" or had any differences from the Mexican kids in my religious education class later on.

[–]spin_kick 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not true, humans are incredibly tribal and territorial. We break up into groups on what video game system is better for crying out loud.

[–]-Seraph [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You are pretty much correct. The one clarification I would make is that humans hate anyone that's not in their tribe, but society expands our definition of what our tribe is. First we saw our city as our tribe, then our country, then our religion, then our race, and one day it'll be everyone. Obviously this is an over simplification, but the basic idea makes sense.

[–]Chayah 212 ポイント213 ポイント  (53子コメント)

I want an adult version of what that black kid is wearing.. that kids looks cool af in that getup

[–]laserfox90 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you a girl or guy? If you a girl its just an abaya a lot if Muslim women wear em and I heard they're hella comfy. If you a dude and wanna wear something very comfy that looks similar, a lot of Arabs wear thawbs, and I can attest that they're super comfy and dope

[–]Chayah 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im a dude but i want that, the hood is a huge selling point

[–]i-opener 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's the black version of this. Originally came in 3 colors, but they have more now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh2bi1MFRn0

Edit: Shit!!!! I just watched the video and caught the part at 1:02. Totally unintended, but I'll suffer the downvotes here to have my submission illustrate the more important point - one I wasn't even trying to make.

[–]craker42 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Regardless of your religious beliefs, you've got to admit, Muslim clothes look comfy as hell.

[–]pastry_puff 171 ポイント172 ポイント  (28子コメント)

My white daughter currently attends pre-k in a predominantly black school. She's got curly blonde hair and is constantly having it pulled and touched by the other kids because they've never seen hair like hers. They also pick on her mostly based on the fact that she's white. She's going to a different school next year.

[–]YourOwnSide 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yep, kids will always mock those who are different, it's a natural instinct for humans to dislike difference. In a "one race" school, kids will find that one who's slightly diffrent, whether it be glasses or freckels or hair colour etc. Skin colour is just another difference they pick on, they have no understanding of racism.

[–]finenite [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Exactly! Don't you think the same would apply if everyone was the same color? We'd just find something else to be "racist" against.

[–]Munger88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Like that episode of Fairly Oddparents where he wishes everyone looked exactly the same. They were all transformed into grey blobs. They still were "racist" against those who were less grey or less blob-y even though everyone looked nearly identical.

[–]skywreckdemon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The first part doesn't sound so bad. Little kids are curious and have yet to be taught boundaries.

The second part however, that's just sad and unfortunate. Good on you for getting her out of there.

[–]Pustulio0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You are doing the right thing. She doesnt need an extra burden during her developing years.

[–]MonkeyOnYourMomsBack 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That baby's outfit is freaking amazing

[–]adriennebusch 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the best Dark Link cosplay I've ever seen.

[–]Cyclobox 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But some are born Jedi.

[–]orange_typhoon 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could that picture be any more adorable ?!

[–]arobtheknob [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

My 3 year old saw an African American woman pass us in the hall. We were the only people there and she exclaimed....

"That lady is made of chocolate"

I was mortified. The lady chuckled and kept walking.

[–]The__Ugly 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Im suprised my 4 year old nephew hasnt atleast mentione race before. Hes in class full of different races but he doesnt seem to even notice..

[–]Rythemy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You sure about that statement? You don't think that white baby is thinking: "wtf is this dude getting all touchy touchy on my face?"

[–]Cockwombles 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that Guinan and Picard?

[–]Gabby_Johnson444 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Life has taught me that people suck no matter what color they are.

[–]_420CakeDay [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Unfortunately their little brains haven't formed. Once they learn self preservation it kicks in for safety reasons.

[–]Happyelephant19 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Plot twist: This picture was taken Mid Slap

[–]xserialhomewrecker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No one is born obsessed with race either..

[–]TheCapnRedbeard 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As humans, yes we are born to fear what is different than us, and hatred is born out of fear...

However, I believe that if we truly want to thrive as Humans then we need to overcome our own biology. This would mean overcoming our own innate sense of hatred of that which is different than us. Which means that to truly be human we must be able to mentalize over our own biology.

[–]undercooked03 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (36子コメント)

We are being forced to believe that racism is still a driving factor in inequality in the world, because the all powerful can't let us figure out that classism is the new way we are all being controlled and pitted against each other.

[–]brazzbrazz 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I agree in that I believe classism is a larger driving force but that doesn't suggest that racism is completely impotent and has no affect of society.

[–]fullforce098 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's definitely a blend of both. Also, classism as it exists now can lead to racism. If the lower class is most black, and people are being trained to hate that class, then by association they can come to just hate black people.

There's really no question that black people make up a great deal of the street crime in the inner cities, but it has nothing to do with the fact they're black. It's because of a number of factors that stem from being in the lower class, which in those areas is mainly black people. That doesn't stop people from looking at it as being about race. Classism can very easily lead to racism in that way.

[–]Pokemon_Jesus 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Shut the fuck up with these posts already. sigh

[–]daseinMANIFEST [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

until you're raised in a toxic culture that trains you to blow yourself and others up for virgins in lala land.

[–]vardonir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, but you learn to be racist.

I lived in an international dorm for more than a year and I learned to hate people from two whole continents and a particular part of Asia.

[–]ReubenZWeiner 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (8子コメント)

But the hajib goes on right after.

[–]franktheguy 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well obviously, the female form must be hidden from view as to not tempt the men. Even infants, they're all so tempting. /s

[–]currentbitcoinbear [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I grew up in super multi-cultural area. My best friend in grade 1 was black -- except, I didn't know he was black. It was only when I got older that people told me that that was black, and that I'm "Asian".

In grade 2 my best friend as from "Afghanistan". It was only later that people told me he is a "terrorist".

[–]Various_Pickles 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Unfortunately, yes, yes we are.

The root of the behavior stems from the fact that this whole "being the only species of homonid on the planet" thing being really, really new.

Prior to ~90,000 years ago, your first reaction to seeing someone similar, but not quite like you, being putting a spear through their face had tremendous positive survival/evolutionary consequences.

[–]NotASlyDog 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This post quality belongs to places like facebook. Fuck off.

[–]puddle_paddle_battle 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This picture speaks volumes. While it is in our nature to group with those similar to us, the learned racism is when we actually believe fictions about someone bases on their nationality or skin color....and chose to put down, ignore, insult and attack based on those false ideas. Give everyone a chance.