And honestly, I'm quite shocked, even though I shouldn't be. This will probably get downvoted and mocked and gaslit or whatever, but it needs to be said.
So anyway one thing that's always stood out to me on this sub, is the abhorrent stigma around men (specifically men, not women) having a desired age range of women slightly younger than their own.
Not jailbait, and sometimes not even 18 year olds (I've seen it happen in response to men in their 30s mentioning going after women in their 20s), always seems to get a salty knee-jerk reaction that they're 'creepy' or a 'predator' or whatever, or just having general angry insults hurled at them out of the blue. Or sometimes I see someone submitting a picture of a male profile that fits that description with the desired age range like it's something to be mocked, or a red flag.
Now, why do I say this is around only men? I think
this thread
from about a year ago should answer that (archived in case anyone deletes their comments in shame/embarrassment).
I'm sure many might not remember that thread and the OP has since deleted her account (and for all I know may still be around on a different one), but some context is that she's a 38 year-old female, her flair at the time said so.
If you probably notice, her thread is being welcomed with open arms, and she's being given a lot of constructive and helpful advice. Not a single attack or insult.
Of course, I'm not saying she should be getting that, but I couldn't help but think what would happen if a man was asking for help with the same thing, after seeing what I described above happen a lot.
As a matter of fact, in subsequent threads here where I'd see that happen to men, I'd sometimes on a throwaway account link to that thread and ask "well, why was everyone cool with this then?" The range of excuses I would often get to rationalize it were incredible. Generally things like "she wanted this range, but he wanted that range, that's too wide!" or "she was looking for this, but he was looking for that!". Basically
anything
but "it's a double standard". It would seem people are in heavy denial.
If you saw the above thread and had an 'oh shit' deja-vu moment, I'm sure you probably know where this is going.
So after seeing some more recent instances of men being berated or mocked for their preferences, and remembering that thread and knowing that it's been mostly forgotten by now, I thought I'd make
this
(again, archived for the same reason).
Notice that that thread is almost literally word for word an exact copy of that other thread except with the genders flipped (and other minor details to make it plausible like the anal thing, sure, it's not as lewd, but in reality it's not common for women to open a conversation with anal, but the replacement was also a rather tactless way of starting conversation), and also said I was 38.
But anyway, surely it should be well received, since hers was, and since it's phrased the same way as the exact same scenario, it's excuse-proof unlike when other guys were compared to them?
Wrong. My thread produced more salt than the Dead Sea and McDonalds french fries combined.
Let's take a look at some of the responses I got shall we:
You must be really terrible at sex.
If you're looking for a woman who won't see right through you and is willing to put up with bad sex, you need to go even younger.
How are they idiots for wanting a tangible incentive to date an "emotionally unavailable" selfish old asshole?
You probably aren't attractive enough for them to be interested.
Leading straight in with the ad hominem assumptions already eh? Haha, I wonder what could have possibly triggered you to get so angry when I didn't say anything remotely insulting or degrading... at the very least compared to that woman, who you may not have been around for but people seemed to be fine with.
She can do better
(in response to one of the few that seemed to show genuine interest)
Because women over the age of 29 years old and 364 days are not fuckable anymore, duh.
Yes, that's totally what I said. No one seemed to take it personally when she said it (though apparently you're not even a woman, no need to take it personally on their behalf) or do the mental gymnastics leading to that conclusion. Why? Because she made her intentions clear, I'd imagine. My post did the same thing, but apparently that's not good enough or that seemed to go over people's heads.
This is literally me and I'm still crazy turned off by your whole post... So congrats on that.
Okay. I commented asking her why she was turned off by my post, but she never responded.
So late 30 something is now "older men" ...you kids and your sense of time. A late 30 something wanting girls 10 years younger who calls them idiots but wants to attract them....you can't have it both ways....my advice....40 year old women are hotter than 20 year olds.
Yes, because there's no male equivalent of the word "cougar". Aside from negative things like "predator" or "creep". As for me 'calling them idiots', note that the lady in the other thread used the word 'idiot' to describe the anal-messagers, and no one seemed to bat an eyelid or think "damn, if she's generalizing and calling guys of that age group idiots, how does she expect this to work?". Like I said above, yes, the money thing isn't exactly as lewd as the anal thing, but it is still a pretty tactless and somewhat rude/off-putting thing to ask, especially in an opener on a dating site.
From
/u/scotch_please
, after I'd responded to one of the above comments asking how I'm an 'asshole':
Instead of working on your issues forming meaningful and vulnerable relationships via self-reflection or therapy you're just trying to go younger, dumber, and hotter. How's that working out for you?
Ah, the old gaslighting tactic, implying one needs 'self-reflection' or 'therapy'. Funny, I didn't see anyone saying or suggesting the same thing to her. Oh, no big deal, she just wants a break from reality to have some fun! Apparently that's not okay for men to do. Granted, in reality I'm not actually that age and I tend to have no problem finding the type of women I'm interested in, but when I do hit that age and if I happen to be single and need a break from reality to mingle or have some fun, you can bet I'm gonna do exactly that, and I'm not gonna let the type of manipulation by society stop me.
Dude, wtf?
Yes, another gaslighting comment in response to a quote which is not even an improvisation but something I directly lifted from that other thread. Where were her "wtf" suspensions of disbelief?
honestly I'd rather see him suffer from not getting the trophy than settling for a disgusting old who's just going to think he's a normal person until he snaps out about not getting the thing he really deserves.
Haha, salty much? Already wishing bad juju on me. But the funniest part is that she actually
commented
on the lady's thread from a year ago (and probably doesn't remember lol):
I think the "energy" level being referred to here is the refractory period which there's a pretty big difference between 25 and 35 on average. It wasn't mentioned here but when I'm in the mood for a guy in his 20s, it's because the guys in their 30s and 40s have already been trained to do that one only thing his wife/girlfriend would let him do. A guy in his 20s is a blank slate. And goes into an encounter with an older women with the expectation that he's going to learn rather than repeat.
Okay honey, so even you yourself admit to being into it from time to time, just like her. So, why am I suddenly a bad person who deserves terrible suffering for wanting that myself? Hahaha, yeah, that's what I thought.
So yeah, like I said, what I posted was a completely hypothetical character (sorry
/u/basketcasesensitive
and the other few of you who seemed genuinely intrigued), and some of you are probably are gonna use that in an attempt to dismiss or invalidate any point I'm making or gaslight by saying I "have way too much time on my hands".
It really doesn't invalidate it, though. It doesn't change the fact that people commented and gave those responses while under the impression that I was exactly what was described, while the general consensus was completely okay with it a year ago with only one small difference.
Let that sink in for a second.