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And honestly, I'm quite shocked, even though I shouldn't be. This will probably get downvoted and mocked and gaslit or whatever, but it needs to be said.
So anyway one thing that's always stood out to me on this sub, is the abhorrent stigma around men (specifically men, not women) having a desired age range of women slightly younger than their own.
Not jailbait, and sometimes not even 18 year olds (I've seen it happen in response to men in their 30s mentioning going after women in their 20s), always seems to get a salty knee-jerk reaction that they're 'creepy' or a 'predator' or whatever, or just having general angry insults hurled at them out of the blue. Or sometimes I see someone submitting a picture of a male profile that fits that description with the desired age range like it's something to be mocked, or a red flag.
Now, why do I say this is around only men? I think this thread from about a year ago should answer that (archived in case anyone deletes their comments in shame/embarrassment).
I'm sure many might not remember that thread and the OP has since deleted her account (and for all I know may still be around on a different one), but some context is that she's a 38 year-old female, her flair at the time said so.
If you probably notice, her thread is being welcomed with open arms, and she's being given a lot of constructive and helpful advice. Not a single attack or insult.
Of course, I'm not saying she should be getting that, but I couldn't help but think what would happen if a man was asking for help with the same thing, after seeing what I described above happen a lot.
As a matter of fact, in subsequent threads here where I'd see that happen to men, I'd sometimes on a throwaway account link to that thread and ask "well, why was everyone cool with this then?" The range of excuses I would often get to rationalize it were incredible. Generally things like "she wanted this range, but he wanted that range, that's too wide!" or "she was looking for this, but he was looking for that!". Basically anything but "it's a double standard". It would seem people are in heavy denial.
If you saw the above thread and had an 'oh shit' deja-vu moment, I'm sure you probably know where this is going.
So after seeing some more recent instances of men being berated or mocked for their preferences, and remembering that thread and knowing that it's been mostly forgotten by now, I thought I'd make this (again, archived for the same reason).
Notice that that thread is almost literally word for word an exact copy of that other thread except with the genders flipped (and other minor details to make it plausible like the anal thing, sure, it's not as lewd, but in reality it's not common for women to open a conversation with anal, but the replacement was also a rather tactless way of starting conversation), and also said I was 38.
But anyway, surely it should be well received, since hers was, and since it's phrased the same way as the exact same scenario, it's excuse-proof unlike when other guys were compared to them?
Wrong. My thread produced more salt than the Dead Sea and McDonalds french fries combined.
Let's take a look at some of the responses I got shall we:
You must be really terrible at sex.
If you're looking for a woman who won't see right through you and is willing to put up with bad sex, you need to go even younger.
How are they idiots for wanting a tangible incentive to date an "emotionally unavailable" selfish old asshole?
You probably aren't attractive enough for them to be interested.
Leading straight in with the ad hominem assumptions already eh? Haha, I wonder what could have possibly triggered you to get so angry when I didn't say anything remotely insulting or degrading... at the very least compared to that woman, who you may not have been around for but people seemed to be fine with.
A few more salty gems from /u/okcupid--
She can do better
(in response to one of the few that seemed to show genuine interest)
Because women over the age of 29 years old and 364 days are not fuckable anymore, duh.
Yes, that's totally what I said. No one seemed to take it personally when she said it (though apparently you're not even a woman, no need to take it personally on their behalf) or do the mental gymnastics leading to that conclusion. Why? Because she made her intentions clear, I'd imagine. My post did the same thing, but apparently that's not good enough or that seemed to go over people's heads.
This is literally me and I'm still crazy turned off by your whole post... So congrats on that.
Okay. I commented asking her why she was turned off by my post, but she never responded.
So late 30 something is now "older men" ...you kids and your sense of time. A late 30 something wanting girls 10 years younger who calls them idiots but wants to attract them....you can't have it both ways....my advice....40 year old women are hotter than 20 year olds.
Yes, because there's no male equivalent of the word "cougar". Aside from negative things like "predator" or "creep". As for me 'calling them idiots', note that the lady in the other thread used the word 'idiot' to describe the anal-messagers, and no one seemed to bat an eyelid or think "damn, if she's generalizing and calling guys of that age group idiots, how does she expect this to work?". Like I said above, yes, the money thing isn't exactly as lewd as the anal thing, but it is still a pretty tactless and somewhat rude/off-putting thing to ask, especially in an opener on a dating site.
From /u/scotch_please , after I'd responded to one of the above comments asking how I'm an 'asshole':
Instead of working on your issues forming meaningful and vulnerable relationships via self-reflection or therapy you're just trying to go younger, dumber, and hotter. How's that working out for you?
Ah, the old gaslighting tactic, implying one needs 'self-reflection' or 'therapy'. Funny, I didn't see anyone saying or suggesting the same thing to her. Oh, no big deal, she just wants a break from reality to have some fun! Apparently that's not okay for men to do. Granted, in reality I'm not actually that age and I tend to have no problem finding the type of women I'm interested in, but when I do hit that age and if I happen to be single and need a break from reality to mingle or have some fun, you can bet I'm gonna do exactly that, and I'm not gonna let the type of manipulation by society stop me.
Dude, wtf?
Yes, another gaslighting comment in response to a quote which is not even an improvisation but something I directly lifted from that other thread. Where were her "wtf" suspensions of disbelief?
I think the biggest salt award goes to /u/smokeycoughlin , though:
honestly I'd rather see him suffer from not getting the trophy than settling for a disgusting old who's just going to think he's a normal person until he snaps out about not getting the thing he really deserves.
Haha, salty much? Already wishing bad juju on me. But the funniest part is that she actually commented on the lady's thread from a year ago (and probably doesn't remember lol):
I think the "energy" level being referred to here is the refractory period which there's a pretty big difference between 25 and 35 on average. It wasn't mentioned here but when I'm in the mood for a guy in his 20s, it's because the guys in their 30s and 40s have already been trained to do that one only thing his wife/girlfriend would let him do. A guy in his 20s is a blank slate. And goes into an encounter with an older women with the expectation that he's going to learn rather than repeat.
Okay honey, so even you yourself admit to being into it from time to time, just like her. So, why am I suddenly a bad person who deserves terrible suffering for wanting that myself? Hahaha, yeah, that's what I thought.
So yeah, like I said, what I posted was a completely hypothetical character (sorry /u/basketcasesensitive and the other few of you who seemed genuinely intrigued), and some of you are probably are gonna use that in an attempt to dismiss or invalidate any point I'm making or gaslight by saying I "have way too much time on my hands".
It really doesn't invalidate it, though. It doesn't change the fact that people commented and gave those responses while under the impression that I was exactly what was described, while the general consensus was completely okay with it a year ago with only one small difference.
Let that sink in for a second.
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[–]scotch_please 12 points13 points14 points  (8 children)
slightly younger
bruh 8-10 years isn't slightly younger
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[–]Kurokokun1- Ac1d -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
Its pretty common for women to be dating guys 8 yrs older than them.
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[–]Format137_BossMode- Running with the wolves tonight 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
Its really not. It's pretty common for women to date women 8 years older or younger, and men men 8 years older and younger. But men/women dating tends to be no more than 3 years apart in the overwhelming majority.
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[–]EntropicPsychotic 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
You go Glen Coco, you go. Hit em with that sourced data.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (4 children)
So why was it okay when she was going for exactly that?
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[–]scotch_please 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
They don't turn into whiny bitch babies when it doesn't work out for them. Typically they take the hint and realize when they're batting out their league unlike people like you who want to complain and argue a case for your own entitlement.
I like how you didn't respond to the point about how you'd be attracting younger women if you gave them something to be attracted to. There are men who do and don't need to spend time wondering whyyyyyy won't they reply??
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points  (2 children)
They don't turn into whiny bitch babies when it doesn't work out for them.
And I'm not doing that either. That seems to be an illusion you've concocted or projected. I never said anything about it not working out.
As a matter of fact, I am quite successful on the regular.
What I have a problem with (or as it makes you feel better to phrase it, being a 'whiny bitch baby' about) is people like the ones here who try to police that by saying I would be a bad person for pursuing that in the first place, even if I do happen to land one that works out and is equally mutually interested and consenting. In which case they have no business policing that whatsoever.
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[–]scotch_please 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
And I'm not doing that either.
This whole post tho.
As a matter of fact, I am quite successful on the regular.
Didn't your previous post say the complete opposite?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Please point out one place where I talk about it 'not working out' in a way that's more 'whiny bitch baby' than hers was.
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[–]readnweep- I cant offer long term stability, security or sanity. 21 points22 points23 points  (2 children)
you could be doing so much better things in life my child
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[–]Maladjust--- verified Chad 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
GASLIGHTING ALERT
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[–]scotch_please 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Stop. That's my thing.
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 25 points26 points27 points  (4 children)
Are you that creepy dude in Spokane that was hitting on a 16yo barista and got banned from the Starbucks?
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[–]Slob_Goblin- come on everybody, let's suffocate 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Dying laughing right now
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[–]scotch_please 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
I love that it's an hour later with no comment from OP...
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
He doesn't want to dox himself.
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[–]scotch_please 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
He's trying to do damage control by claiming he lied about his age and that he's in his 20s now. 😂
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[–]newschoolblues 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
Creepy dude tries to defend creepy ways with creepy wall of text news at eleven
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[–]AvonBarksdaleCalling- Sounds like a Disney Princess 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
For what it's worth, the original post would have turned me off just as much as your gender swapped one. I wasn't here a year ago so calling out my opinion as if it backs up some theory of sub misandry is reaching at best.
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[–]Format137_BossMode- Running with the wolves tonight 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
Well you're a woman and women's opinions are only what men say they are so by his logic he's totally correct
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[–]AvonBarksdaleCalling- Sounds like a Disney Princess 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
I actually called someone out for that just yesterday :/
I literally told him why I don't respond to initial messages when I'm not interested and was told it was actually because of X reason instead. Thank God some men out there are willing to step up and fix my misguided opinions about my own thoughts
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[–]Format137_BossMode- Running with the wolves tonight 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Well we have Trump now so he's going to do that for all you womens.
Like, for all the damage this could do, giving red pillers legitimacy has to count as among the worst things from the election
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[–]MooseLettuceTomato 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
OP has decided you're guilty by association.
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
I don't think gaslighting means what you think it means.
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[–]scotch_please 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
P R O J E C T I N G
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[–]RanTheRedCedar- Butt Nazi 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
We must go back....
....to the future!
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[–]scotch_please 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
B O T O X
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[–]dab5210 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
How long did this take you? And for this...Jesus
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
Literally like half an hour. Probably less. Doesn't require much effort.
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[–]Ashendarei- From Order; Chaos. 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
And I'm betting less than half an hour's thought went into this idea too. I hope it was worth it?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Absolutely.
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[–]Format137_BossMode- Running with the wolves tonight 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
There is bias but it's based on general experience; a 38 year old woman looking for a 30 year old dude is probably out find someone fun to shag, maybe she feels young, but she isn't looking for someone to dominate and control generally. A 38 year old dude, whether he warrants the stigma or not, is going to be seen as looking for someone he can control when he's significantly older than a partner. Because social context and experiences matter to these sorts of situations, and those are projected on to the scenario. You can consider it unfair all you like, but its projected for a reason; because it does have a tendency toward happening.
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[–]fruityis- 29/f 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
Your thread was dumb because it seemed to reek of entitlement, that women in their 20s should swarm you to be your multi-month Fwb. The fact that you're so offended by those comments enough to actually cite them is pretty telling about how you can't just let things go and live your life. "Emotionally unavailable..." should be changed to "Emotional baggage older man".
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
So what do you make of the woman in the other thread? Does she 'reek of entitlement' too?
I guess just a year ago it was okay to be 'entitled' and there's totally no gender double standard, and subreddit culture just shifted, isn't that right? /u/entropicpsychotic might be on to something. ;)
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[–]fruityis- 29/f 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Sure. In my personal opinion, anyone who sets out to use people for their own gratification is predatory or entitled at the least. I think you're reading way too much into a subreddit culture. At the end of the day, if it's between you and a consenting adult, who cares what other people think? But everyone will definitely have an opinion on it, and I'm sure you already knew what the majority sub opinion would be.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
In my personal opinion, anyone who sets out to use people for their own gratification is predatory or entitled at the least.
But why, pray tell? People do that all the time and both parties are okay with it. Why? Because they're both 'using each other for their own gratification'.
You kind of contradicted your first statement with your second.
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[–]Maladjust--- verified Chad 17 points18 points19 points  (6 children)
A subreddit does not have a collective opinion. It has individuals. Your gasbag grandstanding falls down on principle.
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
Nope we are borg, we are one hive mind.
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[–]GreenTunicKirk 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
But are we sexy Borg, living in matrix zero?
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[–]Innocraft3- 50% magic 100% results -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Zero suit samus is the best
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (2 children)
I quoted some individuals who commented in both threads.
Well, one.
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[–]Maladjust--- verified Chad 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
You've discovered that individuals aren't static and sometimes respond differently based on different framing, their mood, their change in perspective over time, the landscape of posts the entry is made in, etc. Congratulations on finally picking up something you should've figured out in high school.
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[–]DirkGrahamsStache- All out of Kyle puns 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
So even you know that the conclusion you are trying to draw isn't supported by anything that could be called real evidence.
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[–]okcupid--- M/30s 8 points9 points10 points  (11 children)
You need friends.
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[–]EntropicPsychotic 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
He's probably not attractive enough for friends.
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[–]lemonlife0524- drakey with a cakey 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Yooooooooooo
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[–]logiauser- 30/M/NJ emotionally stunted -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Way to show some class...
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (7 children)
You need to get laid.
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[–]okcupid--- M/30s 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
Lol I actually have sex on the regular, but that's beside the point.
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
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[–]classykindofsassy- players only love you when they're playin 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
i'm crying
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[–]scotch_please 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
LOLLLL
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points  (2 children)
Then why are you so bitter?
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[–]okcupid--- M/30s 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
I should really cite my sources.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
I recognized it. Yeah, you can copy and paste, how badass, want a medal?
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[–]wrigleyvilleauthor- M/Chicago 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
This sub has some great research scientists.
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
Lol. I wonder if we can get some gov't grants?
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[–]okcupid--- M/30s 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
The Trump administration would probably fund it.
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Better than Climate change, amirite?
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[–]okcupid--- M/30s 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Climate change is a myth made by the Chinese.
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[–]scotch_please 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The claim that OP is banging women on the regular might also be one of those.
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[–]EntropicPsychotic 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Your evidence is a thread from a year ago with an overlap of one commenter?
Do you know how long a year is in terms of subreddit culture?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Not long at all. People still would have villified a man making my post back then. You really think they wouldn't have? You're grasping at straws, dude.
In fact they probably would have come at it more because they'd recognize it as a clone of the other thread being recent and I'd be outed quickly.
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[–]classykindofsassy- players only love you when they're playin 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
can someone tl;dr this
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[–]Maladjust--- verified Chad 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
OP's a twat
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[–]classykindofsassy- players only love you when they're playin 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
i can always count on you
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[–]dimeanddash- chadess 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
tl;dr insecurity, denial, and too much free time
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[–]scotch_please 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Lol he actually has sex on the regular, but that's beside the point.
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[–]dimeanddash- chadess 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
i didn't say anything about sex
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
the abhorrent stigma around men (specifically men, not women) having a desired age range of women slightly younger than their own.
WTF? That's society's standard setting, you see more older men with younger women than the opposite and it's more socially acceptable.
As it is, men between 22 and 30—nearly two-thirds of the male dating pool—focus almost exclusively on women younger than themselves.
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[–]TowerTumblingThrough- Lady Bear 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
You need to find better things to do with your time.
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[–]scotch_please 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Let's be real, so do the rest of us. 😂
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[–]iofteneatpineapple- 25/F/lorida and tall AF 5 points6 points7 points  (17 children)
Idk, I think it depends on the intentions.
If a man (or woman) is seeking out a younger partner as a "trophy" to show how hot they are, it's a shitty and predatory thing to do.
I'm 25 and I have/will date guys 10 years older than me but I'm extra skeptical and I guess you could say cautious about it because there is a double standard that some men out there look for younger women because they think they can be in control or because they think it's some sort of status symbol like "Look at me dating this younger person, I'm so cool"
I can't really blame people for being a little skeptical about a man's intentions with wanting to specifically date younger women.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points  (16 children)
I never said the word trophy or implied it. I said I was doing it for my own personal fun leisure. Just like she was.
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[–]iofteneatpineapple- 25/F/lorida and tall AF 5 points6 points7 points  (15 children)
I know you didn't, it's just a common stereotype - that (some) men seek significantly younger women because they think of it as some sort of trophy. Or because they think they can be in control. Or because they have some misguided negative perception of women closer to their age.
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 4 points5 points6 points  (14 children)
Or because they have some misguided negative perception of women closer to their age.
Which he did say
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[–]iofteneatpineapple- 25/F/lorida and tall AF 6 points7 points8 points  (13 children)
Exactly.
I feel like a man bad mouthing a woman regarding her age is one of the biggest red flags ever.
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[–]EntropicPsychotic 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
He also had no real answer as to why younger women should want to date him if they're mature, stable, etc, which is what he claimed to want.
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 2 points3 points4 points  (11 children)
It is THE biggest red flag. It's basically an indicator that all the other older man seeking younger woman red flags apply, plus a bunch of the generic asshole flags.
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[–]iofteneatpineapple- 25/F/lorida and tall AF 2 points3 points4 points  (10 children)
So gross. I met this guy for coffee once - he was 33 - and I literally had to leave because he started talking about how "all the women his age just wanted him to settle down and start having kids" ... ew.
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
I went on a date with a guy that said that exact thing. He was 37 and I later found out was in a long-term monogamous relationship with his 23 year old intern at the same time as he was taking me out.
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[–]iofteneatpineapple- 25/F/lorida and tall AF 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
That's vomit-worthy. Like I have nothing against age differences with dating except if you're doing it with superficial intentions. Then it's just like you're using the person for their age to prop up your own ego.
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[–]riggorous- menstrual rage 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
I legit think he's a manchild who doesn't want to confront any real responsibility, including someone's feelings. He spent the entire date complaining how selfish his "ex" was.
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[–]Kurokokun1- Ac1d 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
Alpha. Living the dream. Sure he was hot
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
You are so sad
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[–]DirkGrahamsStache- All out of Kyle puns 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
tl;dr but I'm guessing OP is a loser
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[–]OldUncleEl- 53 M NorCal 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
I posted in that thread why the fuck didn't I get called out?
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[–]Copello- [beautiful][🍰] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I guess he figured there was more than enough evidence to find the sub guilty of all charges.
But don't worry, you'll be hung by the neck like the rest of us...
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[–]aeroguard- Two undernourished egos, four rotating hips 2 points3 points4 points  (10 children)
a) I don't think you are using the term gas-lighting correctly.
b) Where were my comments of disbelief back then? I was that 38 year old (metaphorically) and got a few younger men. No big deal.
c) We don't all think the same here. This is the major flaw in your post. I see a lot of opinions on here that I strongly disagree with. Sometime I even post about it.
I'm gonna go back to cleaning out my garage. That's more fun and much more productive.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (9 children)
c) We don't all think the same here. This is the major flaw in your post. I see a lot of opinions on here that I strongly disagree with. Sometime I even post about it.
Okay, this thread is one thing, but why were you 'wtf'ing at me in my previous thread when I was doing the same thing that you just claimed to do?
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[–]aeroguard- Two undernourished egos, four rotating hips 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
Because your original post made you seem creepy. Maybe I'm just as creepy. Who knows?
***Actually, my stated age range on my profile was 30-45. The main two people I see are 39 (same age as me) and 44. I also see a 31 year old and a 46 year old every now and then. The youngest man I slept with was 24 and the oldest was 46. Would a man be seen as creepy if he said the same thing?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (7 children)
Okay, do you think the woman in the other thread is creepy, or makes herself sound creepy? After all, what she said was literally the same thing as me, word for word...
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[–]aeroguard- Two undernourished egos, four rotating hips 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
I don't think I care as much as you seem to.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
Let's see. You said I'm using 'gaslighting' wrong.
Right now, you (and others in this thread) seem to be trying to convince me (as well as themselves) that I'm crazy or silly or a 'loser' for caring about that (which it is very much a reasonable thing to care about).
I believe I was accurate in my use of it.
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[–]scotch_please 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
Disagreeing with someone and debating their points isn't gaslighting them. If it is then you're playing the victim just as much as other people are "gaslighting" you.
Shouldn't you be fucking some of that 20-something snatch you said you were swimming in earlier? Is it her night off?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
She's actually about to pick me up in about an hour as soon as she gets off work.
Isn't that awesome? I actually don't even have a car and yet she still digs me and is enthusiastic about spending alone time with me, so much that she's going out of her way to pick me up instead of the other way around. Funny how things work out. She also sometimes jokingly tells me about the 'nice guys' that chase her and try to attract her with niceness.
I should remind you though that in reality I'm actually 20-something myself, but like I said, when I'm older I'm not gonna let myself be self-conscious about that and allow it to make a difference.
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[–]scotch_please 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Suuuuure, buddy. That's what they all say. But if it's true, I'm not envious of the poor girl stuck with an emotionally unavailable manchild who needs to try compensating his lack of future potential to strangers by bragging about sleeping with an impressionable younger women.
Who do you think is going to be the one doing the dumping between the two of you, huh?
I should remind you though that in reality I'm actually 20-something myself,
Yeah, you made that part crystal clear. There's no way a lot of your comments sound like a mature grown male in his 30s.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
I'm only mentioning it because people are making assumptions about my social status and my sex life and using that to make a 'point' to insult me, as if it has any bearing on the discussion.
How do you expect me to respond to that, knowing that it's not true? Just ignore it?
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[–]SurroundedbyChaos- Order is an illusion 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Context matters. I made fun of you for being bad at sex, because you claimed you rarely got to bang the same woman twice.
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[–]enoughwiththebread 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
You're getting a lot of heat for calling people out here, but the basic premise you were getting at is undeniably true. There do exist social double standards between what both men and women can get away with before they are shamed for it. Where you seem to miss the plot is that this really isn't news or some astounding revelation.
Women who have slept with too many partners are shamed for being "loose" or "sluts", while men who have are "studs".
Conversely, women who seek out casual FWB situations with significantly younger men are lauded or supported as "cougars" with sexual agency while men who do the same are "creepy" or emotionally stunted.
If a woman acts aggressive or assertive in the workplace, she's a bitch. If a man does it he's a strong leader. And on and on it goes.
IOW, there are different double standards that have always existed, for both men AND women.
What your little experiment proved is nothing more than what anyone who has lived on Planet Earth past a certain age knows. Life's not fair. There's nothing about this life or this world that's fair. Fair's got nothing to do with it. Both men and women have their share of unfair double standards to contend with, though one could easily argue that women have had way more ones working against them than men historically.
Welcome to life.
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
women who seek out casual FWB situations with significantly younger men are lauded or supported as "cougars"
"Cougar" is not a complimentary term. What is laudable about being a predator that catches naive prey?
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 8 points9 points10 points  (26 children)
You shouldn't have mentioned me, motherfucker.
Young dudes aren't idiots for needing incentive to date an emotionally unavailable selfish older woman, and if that's anal, good for them. I'm not sure why pointing out that you shouldn't be expecting unrequited love with a glorified teenager that you're in an fwb arrangement with indicates anti-male bias on this sub. OP your post has more holes than that fake dossier on the Russians spying on Trump.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points  (25 children)
You shouldn't have mentioned me, motherfucker.
Classic.
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 5 points6 points7 points  (16 children)
Are you saying this is also an example of the anti-male bias on this sub?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (15 children)
Classic like you're resorting to threats. /r/iamverybadass
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 6 points7 points8 points  (13 children)
That wasn't a threat. That was a takedown. Read all about it in the paragraph that immediately follows.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (12 children)
Okay. Well it is pretty off-putting and makes you look childish and generally would make someone not want to engage you in conversation, but alright. For future reference, "You shouldn't have mentioned me" would be perceived as a thread since the implication appears as "now you're gonna regret it". But okay, moving on.
Young dudes aren't idiots for needing incentive to date an emotionally unavailable selfish older woman, and if that's anal, good for them.
So you're saying you agree that it was no more okay for her to say it?
I'm not sure why pointing out that you shouldn't be expecting unrequited love with a glorified teenager that you're in an fwb arrangement with indicates anti-male bias on this sub.
I clearly said 'late twentysomething'. Read.
And I'm not sure where you're getting 'expecting' (which I assume you're using as a synonym for 'entitlement') or even that it's unrequited, from. As I said elsewhere in the comments, it seems people are upset about the idea of me pursuing it in the first place even when it is requited. And as a result creating the illusion that it's requited.
It would seem that most of the salty people in my thread (and in this one) somehow automatically have this image that a younger woman couldn't possibly be mutually interested in an older man, even though that's obviously not true. Or at the very least, they know it's true but absolutely hate when it happens even if it's not their business.
Yes, you mentioned incentive, so I'm sure you know that it's not true. But in my other thread you seemed to have difficulty saying it without being condescending and insulting, like something disgusted you or made you angry. Almost like you hate the idea of me succeeding in that department (which in reality, I actually do) despite it not harming or hindering you in any way. Wonder why that is.
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[–]AvonBarksdaleCalling- Sounds like a Disney Princess 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
As one of those women who is mutually interested in an older man, it's because (well in part, obviously there are other reasons as well) his attraction to me is not specifically and only due to my age.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Keep telling yourself that it isn't at least a helping factor.
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[–]AvonBarksdaleCalling- Sounds like a Disney Princess 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I'm glad you know more about me and my FWB than I do Internet stranger
Legit lol'ed. Thanks for proving /u/Format137_BossMode 's point so wonderfully
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
Well it is pretty off-putting and makes you look childish and generally would make someone not want to engage you in conversation
So, like this entire OP?
since the implication appears as "now you're gonna regret it"
No, I understand that. I'm saying that I have delivered on my threat in the same comment. If you didn't have the intelligence of a vegetable, you would have been able to perceive that.
As I said elsewhere in the comments, it seems people are upset about the idea of me pursuing it in the first place even when it is requited.
What does this have to do with what I said? I said: it's normal for people to want to be compensated for shit they wouldn't otherwise do. "Requited" is meaningless in this context. There are people who sell their body for money. Is a sexual relationship in that context requited or not? Does it matter?
a younger woman couldn't possibly be mutually interested in an older man
As someone in a relationship with a man 10 years older: you are doing a spectacularly shit job of showing that the opposite is true.
like something disgusted you or made you angry.
You disgust me. You're a loser. I can't stand losers.
lmost like you hate the idea of me succeeding in that department (which in reality, I actually do)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA please tell me more about how your obvious dating success makes you want to troll reddit For Science.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (7 children)
No, I understand that. I'm saying that I have delivered on my threat in the same comment. If you didn't have the intelligence of a vegetable, you would have been able to perceive that.
Are you able to hold a conversation without insulting me?
What does this have to do with what I said? I said: it's normal for people to want to be compensated for shit they're not eager to do. "Requited" is meaningless in this context. There are people who sell their body for money. Is a sexual relationship in that context requited or not? Does it matter?
Nothing in my original thread implied I was lazy or "not eager" to do anything. That seems to be yet another illusion manifested by your anger at that thread.
As someone in a relationship with a man 10 years older: you are doing a spectacularly shit job of showing that the opposite is true.
I'm not here to prove whether it happens or not (which is silly); I'm arguing that when it happens, other women (or jealous men) outside the relationship seem salty and furious about it for some reason. Kind of like a similar effect of when a niceguyTM who calls a woman a "slut" when she sleeps with everyone but himself.
I'm sure you haven't, but I wouldn't be surprised if your partner has gotten some heat for it.
You disgust me. You're a loser. I can't stand losers.
I'm just saying things you don't want to hear. Nothing I said in my previous thread warranted taking out your menstrual rage on me.
I guess it can be chalked up to the idea that when many women hear about men actively pursuing younger women, they angrily flip out because it makes them feel threatened that when they approach the end of that age range they're gonna have difficulty finding a partner.
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[–]riggorous- menstrual rage 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
Are you able to hold a conversation without insulting me?
You don't deserve the extra effort.
Nothing in my original thread implied I was lazy or "not eager" to do anything. That seems to be yet another illusion manifested by your anger at that thread.
In your original thread, you were the older man looking for young fwbs. Of course you're eager to do her, idiot. I'm not angry at the thread. I'm angry at how dumb you are.
I'm arguing that when it happens, other women (or jealous men) outside the relationship seem salty and furious about it for some reason
Nah. Please tell me how you, a 22 year old snotnose, know better.
I wouldn't be surprised if your partner has gotten some heat for it.
Literally nobody gives a shit, dude. There's millions of dudes in exactly his position.
menstrual rage
ahhhh new flair tx
And that's the only productive thing that came out of this conversation. bye bitch.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (5 children)
You don't deserve the extra effort.
As a matter of fact, I do. I think that's the one entitlement that I can, in fact, claim.
Anyway glad to be of service.
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[–]MooseLettuceTomato 4 points5 points6 points  (7 children)
Maybe you could respond with some constructive criticism instead of proving my point and going for the ad hominem?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
I am.
It's just funny to point that stuff out when people here are calling me a 'whiny bitch baby' lmao.
"YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE MENTIONED ME, MOTHERFUCKER! NOW YOU'RE GONNA REGRET IT! ARRRRRRRGHH!!"
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[–]MooseLettuceTomato 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
As opposed to your perfectly non-whiny bitch baby post, right?
And why are you assuming what u/riggorous said had this angry tone?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
Yes. Not sure if you're referring to this thread or my original thread, but my original thread certainly wasn't that, and calling my that doesn't make it any less valid.
Also one does not need to 'assume' to see an angry childish whiny thrashing tone in what she said in her initial response.
You literally just said that a post asking for advice on how to cultivate a certain type of relationship, is more "whiny bitch baby" than a post opening with "you shouldn't have mentioned me, motherfucker".
Let that sink in for a second.
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[–]MooseLettuceTomato 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Referring to this one. It's just funny to point that stuff out when OPs like you lack self awareness.
I think you're the only one who saw an "angry childish whiny thrashing tone". Maybe if you stopped making it all caps and imagining extra material you'd see it otherwise.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
I think you're the only one who saw an "angry childish whiny thrashing tone".
Hah. Keep thinking that.
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[–]MooseLettuceTomato 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
k. keep thinking all the bullshit in your post
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
That's easy to do when it's backed up by evidence (which amazingly, people still somehow manage to find excuses around, it's amazing).
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[–]logiauser- 30/M/NJ emotionally stunted 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Cool beans but why do you care so much what people on this sub, or anywhere else on the internet, think?
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Because, SCIENCE!
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[–]Copello- [beautiful][🍰] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
An open and shut case. Book 'em Danno!!
Oh, and grats on your salty award Smokey!!
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[–]smokeycoughlin- gran gran 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
caught me
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[–]MainlineGrenadine 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Okay honey, its not going to be something you're in the mood for sometimes for long.
Its something you'll be married to for the rest of your life.
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[–]smokeycoughlin- gran gran 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
you're going to get old though.
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[–]MainlineGrenadine 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I'll have to make sure my refractory period stays the same age.
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[–]smokeycoughlin- gran gran 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
impossible. I'm just going to enjoy it now and grow old with you.
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[–]Whereareyouand 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
It's like phd paper here. Try science, not Reddit, you are too good, op
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[–]Kurokokun1- Ac1d 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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[–]BroodingBroccoli- M/28/Variable Lucidity 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
No.
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[–]staaamos- don't call my escorts whores 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Won't be asking you to babysit again.
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[–]diet_sizzurp- dehydrated, but also carbohydrated 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
wow i can't believe i thought i'd actually get the award for "most useless long post" today
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[–]MainlineGrenadine 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
[PRANK][GONE MALE][GONE SEXUAL]
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[–]TigDreams 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Great science, Neil Degrasshole Tyson. Here's your Nobel prize for sciencing real good.
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[–]sav_hero- 37/M/NYC: Dashing Business Consultant -5 points-4 points-3 points  (45 children)
Ha, you scientifically confronted this sub with it's bias. I love it. I like how you have the same commentators from both threads saying different things.
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[–]Copello- [beautiful][🍰] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
It is quite impressive. Makes Don't_Tell look like the sub saint, doesn't it?
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (43 children)
It would seem that this sub's response to being exposed for that is the usual childish "point and laugh to give an illusion of higher moral ground and draw attention away from the point" tactic SJWs use.
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[–]RanTheRedCedar- Butt Nazi 10 points11 points12 points  (10 children)
You're an idiot, but it's okay.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points  (8 children)
Maybe you could respond with some constructive criticism instead of proving my point and going for the ad hominem?
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
When people respond with constructive criticism, you say "classic" and pretend like it never happened tho
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (5 children)
What you posted was hardly constructive criticism.
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
Really, pointing out that the notion that people out of your league need incentive to casually fuck you applies to both genders and therefore blatantly does not support your half-baked idea that this sub has an anti-male bias is not constructive criticism? How so? Please explain your reasoning.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Okay I responded to your constructive criticism above.
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[–]Copello- [beautiful][🍰] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
In case you haven't figured it out, this sub is a clique (the high school kind). And unfortunately, the principals of this school are also in the clique too.
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[–]RanTheRedCedar- Butt Nazi 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
You sound fun.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Oh I have, that's what makes this more amusing. I'm still waiting for /u/riggorous to respond to my reply to her 'constructive criticism'.
Oh fuck, I forgot, I shouldn't mention her 'or else'! Damn... I'm totally fucked now, better hide!
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[–]RanTheRedCedar- Butt Nazi 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
You want constructive criticism? I'm letting this post stand bc you are getting it via all the responses you have gotten minus sav or the incels.
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[–]scotch_please 7 points8 points9 points  (21 children)
All this because you're angry younger women don't want to spend time with you without getting paid to do so?
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
I mean, that's what sav's mad about
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[–]scotch_please 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
He dug his own grave with the Amish beard, trench coat when it's not raining, and his fake internet personality. I honestly think he spends more time pretending he's someone else than trying to work with who he actually is. It doesn't help his fantasies are sexist and removed from reality.
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[–]riggorous- menstrual rage 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
He's almost 40, his job sucks, his face sucks, and he has no personality to speak of. I can kind of empathize with his decision to abandon the real world and exist in his alternate reality. I mean dude is literally at home right now in his shitty closet-sized apartment that he can barely support on his glorified accountant salary, drinking scotch neat even though he can't stand it because it makes him feel like a man, and jerking off into a sock just like he did in his bedroom in some Maryland culdesac in '87. Oedipus would feel sorry for him.
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[–]scotch_please 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
drinking scotch neat
I'd be surprised if he could afford Scotch not shitty enough to be able to drink neat.
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[–]riggorous- ghosting has been invented by feminists 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
I'm sure he forces a variety of things down his throat because he thinks it looks cool tho
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[–]scotch_please 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
That'd be the single thing he and I have in common.
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[–]logiauser- 30/M/NJ emotionally stunted 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
his face sucks
Nicely done.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (13 children)
Lol I actually have sex on the regular, but that's beside the point.
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[–]classykindofsassy- players only love you when they're playin 7 points8 points9 points  (6 children)
this is just sad now
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[–]Maladjust--- verified Chad 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
They always have sex on the regular. Always
And it's the most important thing to reply with.
You need to know how much sex they're having
Because it's regular
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[–]Format137_BossMode- Running with the wolves tonight 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
and they're having it bigly its the best sex all the sex they're having so much sex they get tired of having sex
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[–]classykindofsassy- players only love you when they're playin 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
he was having sex while he wrote this post
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[–]dab5210 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
All in less than 30 minutes
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
I don't know why this is a thing to mock. I guess if other people are going around calling me a "virgin" or an "incel" or saying I "don't have friends" (lmao), I should just leave them with that illusion even when it's not true? Especially when they're using that as a means to dismiss what I'm saying and give themselves a feeling of 'winning the arguement', I guess I should just let them just to make them happy regardless of its accuracy?
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[–]RanTheRedCedar- Butt Nazi 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Nobody is dismissing you on those fronts. They're dismissing you on everything else.
Your accuracy is as about on target as hitting a deer in the guts vs lungs/heart.
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
I have bowel movements on the regular, but that's because of fiber.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
Whatever makes you feel better.
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[–]orangefolders- 36/Chunky Monkey Wobble Slob/SEA 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Said by a man that doesn't understand a really good BM.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Never denied it. :)
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[–]Format137_BossMode- Running with the wolves tonight 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Having a really great shit is about as good as sex so
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[–]scotch_please 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Your own hand doesn't count, silly.
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[–]logiauser- 30/M/NJ emotionally stunted 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
You didn't expose anything other than that our entire society is apprehensive of older men preying on younger women. And that's exactly what it is - preying. Even the term cougar is gross; I wish some women wouldn't embrace it.
You're here acting like you wouldn't be flipping out if a much older dude was trying to date your daughter/sister/friend? Come on son.
Next time, make it light hearted and more funny.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
You didn't expose anything other than that our entire society is apprehensive of older men preying on younger women. And that's exactly what it is - preying. Even the term cougar is gross; I wish some women wouldn't embrace it.
So would you say what she did is preying, despite the thread welcoming her with open arms (and some open legs)?
You're here acting like you wouldn't be flipping out if a much older dude was trying to date your daughter/sister/friend? Come on son.
If he was chill and seemed genuine and trustworthy and she was interested in him herself, no I wouldn't. Sure, might be a little shocked at first, but I'm not gonna shallowly dismiss him based on age alone.
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[–]logiauser- 30/M/NJ emotionally stunted 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
To be honest, I found nothing wrong with your post and didn't think it was worth commenting on. Nothing wrong with the original post either.
The problem is that a lot of men get into "relationships" with women under false pretenses and that is preying. The original poster wasn't looking to sucker young men (and neither was your post). Not like a lot of guys would give a damn about it.
Nobody wants to hear this in our modern, sex-positive, equality seeking society, but, women are more vulnerable to being hurt in these kinds of situations (gonna get flamed for this). So it is expected that a male poster will attract more suspicion than a female poster.
I wish you'd avoided being confrontational (calling people out). This might have led to a pretty interesting conversation.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
Okay thank you.
I wish you'd avoided being confrontational (calling people out). This might have led to a pretty interesting conversation.
It would have flown under the radar if I didn't. Plus, exposing hypocrisy is fun. Still awaiting the overlap user to show up.
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[–]logiauser- 30/M/NJ emotionally stunted 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
It would have flown under the radar if I didn't.
You're kidding right? Look at the number of comments the average post here has.
Hopefully you're not taking the personal insults to heart lol.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Lol not at all, I'm kind of enjoying them.
I feel like it would have though only because generally when something gets downvoted it becomes invisible on the main index, so it would have been buried fast.
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[–]DirkGrahamsStache- All out of Kyle puns 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
You get pointed at and laughed at a lot? Does this give you pause?
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[–]logiauser- 30/M/NJ emotionally stunted 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Well that's pretty much what's going on in the comments. Somewhat ironic.
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[–]BananaSmartPhone[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
That's what I was referring to.
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[–]sav_hero- 37/M/NYC: Dashing Business Consultant -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
He who laughs last laughs best. No one is going to remember the babble of the dummies, but EVERYONE is going to remember this experiment.
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[–]Kurokokun1- Ac1d comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (9 children)

female priviledge

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[–]dimeanddash- chadess 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)

Did you mean: privilege

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[–]Kurokokun1- Ac1d 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)

yes sir

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[–]dimeanddash- chadess 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)

you just got googled

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[–]logiauser- 30/M/NJ emotionally stunted 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

yo damn

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[–]okcupid--- M/30s 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
At least spell it right if you're going to keep being stupid.
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[–]Kurokokun1- Ac1d 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I is ignant
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[–]johnivdaly- 31/M/Baltimore - Unconfirmed Bachelor 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

did you mean: indignant?

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[–]jayden695- M/NYC/Mets. 15% sad 85% mad 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
This isn't as funny as you think it is
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