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William ‘Ryan’ Owens and Nawar Anwar al-Awlaki

The more we learn about last weekend’s raid by American special forces on a compound in Yemen, which killed a Navy SEAL, several al Qaeda fighters, and multiple civilians, including an 8-year-old girl who was an American citizen, the more it looks like Donald Trump authorized the raid in the first week of his presidency so he could have a feather in his cap, but now it’s starting to look more like the raid’s iffy planning will leave Trump with a big black eye. The military is now investigating the raid to determine whether noncombatants were killed (yes) and how many (????). But plenty of details are starting to come out that leave the impression that while the raid had been in the planning stages since sometime during the Obama administration, Trump went ahead and gave the order without enough information, because he wants to be a badass and — you might want to sit down — may occasionally act in a hasty, ill-thought-out manner!

First off, the basics: Joint Special Operations Command raided a village Sunday night in south-central Yemen to capture computer equipment and cell phones that could yield valuable intelligence about al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula; that part of the raid apparently succeeded, according to Pentagon spokespeople. But there seems to be a pretty big gap between the official story and what leakers from various sources are saying about the raid. Col. John Thomas, a spokesman for Central Command (and a person for whom junior high must also have been a living hell), said the planning for the attack had “started months before” during the Obama administration, but hadn’t been “previously approved” by the former president. And here are the read-em-carefully paragraphs from The Guardian:

Thomas said he did not know why the prior administration did not authorize the operation, but said the Obama administration had effectively exercised a “pocket veto” over it.

A former official said the operation had been reviewed several times, but the underlying intelligence was not judged strong enough to justify the risks, and the case was left to the incoming Trump administration to make its own judgment.

According to Reuters, the operation lacked key information:

U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.

The Pentagon directed queries about the officials’ characterization of the raid to U.S. Central Command, which pointed only to its statement on Wednesday.

“CENTCOM asks for operations we believe have a good chance for success and when we ask for authorization we certainly believe there is a chance of successful operations based on our planning,” CENTCOM spokesman Colonel John Thomas said.

“Any operation where you are going to put operators on the ground has inherent risks,” he said.

Official story: all operations are risky, but we were ready for all the stuff that went wrong. Leaked version: it was a cluster f-bomb from the start because the intelligence about the target wasn’t very solid.

The special operations team encountered heavy resistance, wounding three members of the team and killing one, Navy SEAL William ‘Ryan’ Owens, and the team called in airstrikes by helicopter gunships and Harrier jets. Two MV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft were sent to extract the raiders, but one of them had an engine failure, resulting in a “hard landing” that injured two crew members and left the Osprey unflyable, so one of the jets destroyed it with a laser-guided bomb. Then, after everyone was out, Yemeni officials said the raid had resulted in a high number of noncombatant casualties, including several children. One of the children killed was Nawar “Nora” al-Awlaki, 8, the daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, the Al Qaeda leader the Obama administration killed in a drone strike in 2011 (his 16-year-old son was killed in another strike on an al Qaeda leader a week later, though he was not the target of that raid).

But we got those hard drives, and there may be something good on them. Yay?

The New York Times (which said Obama handed off the operation to Trump because “the Pentagon wanted to launch the attack on a moonless night and the next one would come after his term had ended,” a detail other reports don’t mention and the Times doesn’t source — Trump people, maybe?) reports Team Trump decided to authorize the attack at a dinner meeting attended by Trump and his best buds Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon, along with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Joint Chiefs chair Gen. Joseph Dunford, VP Mike Pence, and national security adviser Mike Flynn. It’s not clear who advocated most strongly for the strike or whether anyone urged caution; we imagine Bannon raising his head slowly, his eyes an unnatural red, and saying thickly, “Exterminate the brutes.” You also sort of have to wonder how Jared Kushner brought his top-notch real estate developer experience to the deliberations. The tell-all memoirs to come out of this administration will undoubtedly be amazing. Or, considering how TrumpLand leaks like the hydraulic lines on a V-22 Osprey, we may get all the dinner’s details in the Washington Post by the weekend.

Now let’s stir in these factors, as highlighted by David Corn at Mother Jones. The Times reports,

Mr. Trump’s new national security team, led by Mr. Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency and a retired general with experience in counterterrorism raids, has said that it wants to speed the decision-making when it comes to such strikes, delegating more power to lower-level officials so that the military may respond more quickly. Indeed, the Pentagon is drafting such plans to accelerate activities against the Qaeda branch in Yemen. [emphasis added by Corn]

Similarly, the Washington Post says:

“We expect an easier approval cycle [for operations] under this administration,” another defense official said…“We really struggled with getting the [Obama] White House comfortable with getting boots on the ground in Yemen,” the former official said. “Since the new administration has come in, the approvals [at the Pentagon] appear to have gone up.”

Says Corn, if you read between the lines in all these reports, it looks like Trump wanted action, and by god he got some action, regardless of whatever may have held back that wimp Obama. But once the operation went tits-up, military officials are going off the record and telling reporters that Trump went ahead and approved a mission with inadequate intelligence and preparation, and not enough people on the ground or in the air. Corn asks,

Is that really what happened? Or is the Pentagon throwing Trump under the bus for a failure that’s their fault? I suppose we might find out if Congress decided to investigate, but that would be out of character for them. After all, Congress rarely spends its time holding contentious hearings about missions in dangerous parts of the world that go south and get people killed. I can’t think of one recently, anyway.

Hmm. Excellent point. Where was Hillary Clinton during all this, and would we have a better understanding of what went wrong if we grilled Sidney Blumenthal? Who gave the order to stand down? What about the emails? WHAT ABOUT THE EMAILS?

[Guardian / NYT / Reuters / WaPo / Guardian / Tom Scocca on Twitter / MoJo]

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  • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

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  • laughingnome

    Impeach this dumb bastard!

  • goonemeritus

    Thank God we have gotten passed Obama’s unwillingness to “do stupid shit”

    • laughingnome

      Yeah, that was so annoying.

      • goonemeritus

        It’s hard to get credit for things you didn’t do but it shouldn’t be.

    • Don’t do stupid shit is not a policy. I have that on good authority. So, the Ol’ Pussy Grabber is gonna do stupid shit until he comes up with a gooder policy than that one.

  • Jeffocaster in the desert

    THE WORLD: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! (Jesus he scares us)

  • Military uprising? Maybe?

  • Bill D. Burger

    Well, that was only his first try. Just wait til’ The Orange Shitgibbon unveils that ‘secret’ plan to take out ISIS.

    http://entrepreneurswealth.com/images/shotinfoot.gif

    • This entire administration is Josh’s press briefing about the President’s secret plan to fight inflation times a billion

  • I would give up at least two major organs to be getting bored to death by the opening weeks of a Clinton Presidency

    • calliecallie

      A kidney and that gall bladder?

      • I’d be willing to go to one lung if it would actually make it happen.

      • NastyBossetti

        I already don’t have a gallbladder. I’d have to go with my appendix, I guess.

    • GunToting[Redacted]

      Well, my liver is on its last legs, so…

    • moebym posted this

      Hell, I’d give up all my limbs.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea
    • ltmcdies

      JK rocks…

      • Kateaux

        Me, I’ve simply never been a JK fan (although I have read the HP books, some of them more than once). But over the last few days, I’ve kind of acquired a newfound respect for her.

        • Jeffery Campbell

          I’ve enjoyed her twitter-trolling the stoopids. It’s good reading – and short for the modern attention span!

          • ltmcdies

            thats where she shines….they try to troll…and get eviscerated every single time…

    • Beanz&Berryz

      More likely scotch… if he drank… but it appears he doesn’t need to.

      • Snark Tank, Bad Hombre

        Hell no, it’s definitely Russian vodka, and I’m guessing lots of it. Vlad sends it to him by the case daily.

      • PubOption

        Bannon’s breath contains enough alcohol to get Donnie drunk.

        • JMP

          This is the guy who’s basically running the country, and besides being a neo-Nazi you can tell just by looking at his nose that he’s a serious alcoholic. Fun times!

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            OR…Maybe its red from all the people tweaking it, because he’s just so gosh darned cute! #AlternateFacts

      • JMP

        He doesn’t drink because he prefers cocaine, or maybe some kind of prescription uppers.

      • arglebargle

        Scotch? Way to classy. Donald seems like more of a Coors light kinda wannabe drinker.

        • Shan

          Not “classy” enough for Trump. He’s champag-nyuh all the way.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            What’s the word?
            Thunderbird!
            What’s the price?
            Fifty twice!
            What’s the action?
            Satisfaction!

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Fucking Pentagon. As much as I like to blame shit on Trump, they have a plan that Obama has already told them is shit, and they say “hey, let’s take it to the new guy, a known idiot, he’ll approve it!” then they blame Trump for approving their shit plan.

    • laughingnome

      I think it;s their job to present options to the CIC. They probably come up with many of these (not being a military guy I’m guessing) and the CIC and his staff say yes or no. Trump is responsible for this.

    • goonemeritus

      When my kid’s were young they used to dust off rejected plans and flog them to either my wife or I all the time.

    • Electric Ukulele Land

      True, but you also know, if say Michael Flynn caught wind that such an operation was even a twinkle in the milk man’s eye he would have been pushing hard to execute on it regardless of any advice to the contrary.

    • Usedtobeyellerdawg

      “You approve it.”
      “I’m not gonna approve it. You approve it.”
      “Let’s ask Donnie! He’ll approve it. He’ll approve anything!”

    • shivaskeeper

      That’s not the way it works at all. Plans for any action are submitted with parts dedicated to the best available intelligence, the command, control, and support needed, and usually best/worst/most likely case outcomes.

      The problem is this: The President says jump and the military as a whole, by law, says how high? It is immaterial ti them if the plan is bad or poorly constructed or the support needed isn’t there. They will jump and try to get it done as long as it’s not an illegal order.

  • Beanz&Berryz

    And more importantly, where was Huma Abedin? And where was her computer?

    • ltmcdies

      EMAILZ…..IT’S WAS THE RISOTTO.

      • Crystalclear12

        I thought it was the pizza?

        • Groundloop

          I thought it was…

      • Suttree

        Sounds furrin, bomb it.

    • Snark Tank, Bad Hombre

      Anthony’s using it to FaceTime naked again. She really needs to change the fucking password on that thing.

  • Marceline

    JMHO, this clusterfuck is the reason the anti-LGBT memo got “leaked.” Not so much because they want to distract us but because they know that even Donnie’s base may start to pause at the idea of sending our military in unprepared. (At least some of them.) So they decide to throw them some red meat.

    • Vecchioivan

      Keep punching that hippie.

  • Chadwells

    Who needs intelligence briefings before committing human lives to combat operations?!?! That’s for the weak, right…you shitfaced fucking degenerate corned beef face syrup wearing wankstain!!!

    • beingreleased

      Did Rambo have a battle plan? I think not. He just parachuted in and won the Vietnam war in the ’80s.

      • OrG

        If you don’t have a plan,nothing can go wrong.

  • bookish

    Jared Kushner dad released from prison, back in business.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/jared-kushner-convict-fraud-father-charles-new-york-property-empire-president-donald-trump-adviser-a7552496.html

    It’s hard to find work right out of prison. But Avram Lebor and Richard Goettlich walked from their Alabama penitentiary into top jobs at the real estate company then run by Jared Kushner, now President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser. The two men, convicted in separate sprawling fraud schemes, were hired several years ago by his father, Charles Kushner, who had been locked up in the same federal prison with them.

    As 36-year-old Jared Kushner settles into a White House role that includes personnel decisions and Middle East peace, the most extensive organisational experience he has to draw from is his lifetime at the closely held family real estate company, where his father is once again deeply involved. It’s a business where, like Trump’s, family and loyalty loom large. Management at Kushner Cos. has been mercurial, its feuds bruising and its political influence considerable. Recent joint ventures and investments expanded by Jared could lead to opportunities for unseen influence. Given the company’s history, ethics lawyers say, such opportunities merit close watching.

    “It can’t hurt to be doing business with Jared Kushner’s family,” said Larry Noble, general counsel for the Campaign Legal Centre, a nonpartisan organisation focused on election laws. “It’s a road to the administration. At the very least they’re going to have an inside track.”

    • Wild Cat

      Demented Kapo out. Alcoholic neo-nazi in.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      Thank god we didn’t elect a woman who was asked for favors that she had to turn down.

  • SnarkON

    Blah blah blah BENGHAZI blah blah blah OBAMA DID IT TOO blah blah blah MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN blah blah blah.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Jeez, you people. Trump went to the National Prayer Breakfast this morning. What more do you want?

    • The Wanderer

      His [REDACTED]?

    • Kateaux

      His head on a platter? (With votes, of course!)

    • therblig

      he doesn’t drink wine, but heard there were going to be free crackers.

    • OddMan

      donald even said a prayer for Arnold Schwarzenegger cause of his low ratings on his TV show, and then after that mumbled something about giving thanks for the sacrifices of our good soldiers and sailors. He got that plug about his good ratings first, then sorry about the nice kid dying for his country stuff.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        The raid got very, very strong ratings. Tremendous!

    • kindness

      Trump, Pence and the entire Republican leadership in Congress to die in a plane crash soon?

      Yea, not very Buddist today, am I?

      • redarmyzombie

        Oh, I dunno, Karma can be a real bitch like that sometimes…

  • TJ Barke

    #sickofwinning

    • SnarkON

      I am beyond sick of organized religion in every form. Fuck those people and their fucking prayers.

    • Shan

      Oh, very nice!

  • “We really struggled with getting the [Obama] White House comfortable with getting boots on the ground in Yemen,” the former official said. “Since the new administration has come in, the approvals [at the Pentagon] appear to have gone up.”

    Perhaps President Obama was reluctant to approve another land war in Asia because he saw how swimmingly the last three… (four… five… I’ve lost count) land wars in Asia have gone for us.

    But Dear Leader Trump is infallible and tough and macho. He will surely lead us to great victory over… the people of Yemen… who have done jack and shit to America… but whom we’re killing to help our super good Saudi friends who are funding the extremists that we’re trying to kill.

    I think if Trump proposed a dome over America, the Middle East might get together and pay for it to protect themselves from us.

  • Chadwells

    I can’t even compose a rational thought because I’m so fucking angry about this. That rotten orange fucknut needs to be got.

  • Bill D. Burger

    [Everything Went Wrong In Trump’s Clusterf*ck Yemen Raid. Let’s Blame Hillary Clinton!]

    Party of Personal Responsibility!
    bwwwaaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    http://funnyasduck.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/funny-he-did-it-pointing-cat-dog-pics.jpg

  • Martini Ambassador

    Yadda yadda, this will undoubtedly lead to more military actions and more death of both soldiers and civilians, but Hillary was the real warmonger, donchakno?

    • Bill D. Burger

      It seems it’s only a matter of time, and day-to-day, it seems a short time. His saber rattling with China, “warning” and threats to Iran….etc. Both have responded by calling him ridiculous, naive, a dangerous racist and a political novice.
      It won’t end well.

    • Hobbes’ Evil Twin

      Yes, Jill Stein would have saved us all.

    • Does anybody believe that Clinton would be tougher on ISIS than the Ol’ Pussy Grabber? Anyone? Really? Anyone? No? Just me, then?

    • Shan

      That will always be on topic in every thread.

  • Chadwells

    OT: And this fucking thundercunt is just emboldening these shitfaced GOP bastards to the nth degree. Here’s another gem I’m sure most have you may have already seen.

    “South Dakota Senate Repeals Voter-Backed Anti-Corruption Law”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/south-dakota-ethics-repeal_us_58935875e4b070cf8b810d5d?ir=Politics&utm_hp_ref=politics

  • Chadwells

    OT: And this fucking thundercunt is just emboldening these shitfaced GOP bastards to the nth degree. Here’s another gem I’m sure most have you may have already seen.

    “South Dakota Senate Repeals Voter-Backed Anti-Corruption Law”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/south-dakota-ethics-repeal_us_58935875e4b070cf8b810d5d?ir=Politics&utm_hp_ref=politics

    • Suttree
    • Bill D. Burger

      Such efforts are everywhere, from legislation introduced by AZ and UT state reps to allow private development in the National Parks and massive giveaways of public lands, to an Indiana GOP rep who introduced legislation that would allow police to kill protesters blocking traffic.

      These efforts read like Onion pieces, but they are horrifyingly real.

      • Chadwells

        The plan to sell 3.3m acres of park land off, thankfully, has been removed. Chaffetz got his ass handed to him on that one.

        Then there are all the GOP anti-protest legislation they are putting forward. Trying to make it NOT a crime to run protesters over and so on…it’s fucking surreal.

  • Wellstone En Resistencia, Coño

    As the waiter brings the first round of cocktails to the table…

    Trump: This is so cool. We can do whatever we want know!
    Kushner: How about bombing some shitty country just because we can?
    Bannon: We could do that; there’s that pending black-ops thing in Yemen…
    Trump: What thing?
    Bannon: It’s a raid on an Al-Qaeda camp. There’s supposed to be some high-value information there but the intelligence is iffy.
    Kushner: Yemen looks good to me.
    Trump: What do you mean the intelligence is iffy?
    Bannon: We don’t really know how well defended it is and there seem to be civilians in there. I don’t really give a shit but I have to tell you that.
    Trump: Let’s do it. Fuck it.
    Kushner: Does anyone have a problem with that?

    Silence.

    • Kakkeltje

      Nobody believes this can happen. Trump is speaking in grammatically correct sentences.

    • shivaskeeper

      I call bullshit. As if DJT would ask a question or wait while someone gave him an answer.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Needs more circle jerking.

  • Spotts1701, Resistance Pilot

    So we’re going back to the same sort of tactical planning and acumen that the lads at the Somme were sent.

    • Crank Tango

      Dig that trench!

    • LucindathePook

      Half a league, half a league, half a league onward
      Into the Valley of Death rode the six hundred
      Something, something someone had blundered

  • Crystalclear12

    OK, we are now in “this will end badly” portion of Trump’s term.
    It’s all downhill from here. . .right into the gaping abyss at the bottom.

    • Electric Ukulele Land

      Dude, that’s where we started from.

  • Jeffery Campbell

    I’m surprised it took this long to start killing children.

    • I admire your optimisim

    • Crank Tango

      Don’t worry, he’ll get better at it.

    • laughingnome

      I thought they’d be a bit more subtle about it and just deny them healthcare and reduced price lunches for the poor little ones.

    • Bill D. Burger

      I’m sure they will make up any lost and bloody ground quickly.

    • eggsacklywright

      Cheney must be salivating.

      • Suttree

        “Kittens, innocent children, they’re all delicious. Pass the salt.”

        • eggsacklywright

          “Babby is plump like swossage.”

    • Nockular cavity

      And I’m surprised Bannon or Trump or somebody hasn’t responded with “Eh. Nits breed lice.”

    • Vengaza Verde

      I am no Trump apologist, but accidentally killing kids during military actions has been SOP, since, well, forever. That 8-year-old’s older brother was killed a few years ago under Obama’s watch (as noted in the article). Poor planning, poor execution, and hasty approval so that the Cheeto could pat himself on the back for being tough: all fair game. Trying to take the high road ‘for the children’: not so much.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      The only reason this is in the news is because a Seal was killed. Otherwise, bombings that kill innocent kids go on every single day and we never hear about it.

  • eggsacklywright
    • Proud Liberal

      Wow. It just keeps getting worser and worser. How is that even possible?

    • Crank Tango

      How’s that Trumpy shakin up shake up workin out for ya?

      • Shan

        I think we’re already well on our way to suffering from an acute case of Shaken Nation Syndrome.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Wait until trump ships them off to a coupla ground wars in Asia.

  • JMP

    Hey look, in starting off his administration by ordering an ill-conceived raid on foreign soil that had been planned under the previous administration but not authorized because it was too risky, and having it turn into a predictable clusterfuck, Trump is proving himself to be just like John F. Kennedy!

  • themidniteskulker

    LOCK’ER UP!! LOCK’ER UP!!LOCK’ER UP!!LOCK’ER UP!!LOCK’ER UP!! et cetera…

  • Thaumaturgist

    Have Wonketeers forgotten that Donald is smarter than all the generals?

  • Suttree

    This is my shocked face. Yes I know it looks like a rage scowl.It’s getting worn out.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    Col. John Thomas, a spokesman for Central Command (and a person for whom junior high must also have been a living hell)

    Depending on how many Heinlein fans there were at his school…

    • Thaumaturgist

      I got Star Beast from the public library. It’s was several years old by then and had been rebound by the library. The covers were a solid color. There were no pictures. I read 60 to 70 pages before I realized what John Thomas’ pet was like, because there were no real hints in the earliest pages. It was my most favorite book from my junior high years.

    • Hardly Ideal

      (nervous sideways glances)
      (kicks old copy of Starship Troopers under the bed)

      I… I just like powered armor…

  • kindness

    If this post doesn’t generate a lot of the weekend’s Deleted Posts listings I will have lost all faith in all the lying sack-o-shit right wing Nazis.

  • RT Hatfield

    Is there anyone for whom junior high WASN’T a living hell?

    • Shan

      I blocked most of it out.

    • snark-lurker

      i wuz out of it, Buddy Holly glasses, garage band, middle of corn fields, still donut get out much

      cleaned out attic last year & found 3 guitars i forgot i still had. sad

    • I dropped acid through most of it, so it was kinda pleasant at least in memory.

    • theblackdog

      Rich white kids who were the more popular ones?

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      The assholes who used to pick on the Special Ed kids?

    • mancityRed6

      the summers weren’t too bad

    • Kateaux

      There were exactly 2 things that helped me survive junior high: school music programs (band, jazz band, chorus, etc.) and spelling bees (I will never ever forget how to spell “lachrymose”, the word I missed in the state bee in 1977). The rest of it was pretty bad.

      • BearDeLaOursistance

        Really? They included a word that describes the condition in which some folks would find themselves after a disappointing loss? There are some dark, dark souls out there…

  • snark-lurker

    i hope sumthing gives soon cuz i gettin way behind on fappin & that cannut be good

    • Shan

      Yeah, this snapping back and forth between depression and rage is killing my libido, too.

  • JMP

    I’m sure Congress will investigate this mess just as thoroughly as they did the attacks on the Benghazi consulate, right?

    • Suttree

      This is different. No innocent Amaericans died. Those kids were pre-jihadists anyway.

      • Marla

        Excactly. Trump saved America from further 5 year old refugees taking over the airports.

      • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

        I hope the Trumpanzees seriously saying that shit aren’t “pro life”

        • Suttree

          Of course they are! They just DGAF after the babbies are borned.

  • doggiedaddy

    This was a test.
    It was only a test.
    By Presiden Bannon, done as a precursor to the war he want to have with Iran. And
    China. And Australia. And Mexico. And Whole Foods. And while he’s at it, Macy’s Big and Fat section.
    With Trump it was about winning and nothing else.
    President Bannon want’s a cleanse.
    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq6tcxTE2w1qcj56b.gif

    • Thaumaturgist

      In think you’re into something about Bannon and Macy’s. Take Iraq’s oil; take Macy’s Big and Fat.

    • Dr.Zoidberg

      That was a private gig, and I never got paid for it either!

  • Mavenmaven

    Trump will keep going until he can get on TV and say, look, I’m better than Obama killing Bin Laden. He is fixated on shaming Obama, and will take the whole world down while he fails at it.

    • Proud Liberal

      He’s not fit to shine President Obama’s shoes. Never will be.

      • snark-lurker

        he’s not fit to shine Obama’s turds

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        He’s also literally not fit for it, seeing as how I doubt he can bend over that far without breaking something.

    • Crank Tango

      He should go looking for Bin Laden and kill him again.

      • BearDeLaOursistance

        We should manufacture papier-mache Bin Ladens and hide them in fake bunkers all over the most desolate regions of the Sahara, the Gobi, etc. Keep the orange bastard busy so he can’t cause any REAL damage.

  • fawkedifiknow

    The futures on getting into an ill-advised shooting war have gone through the roof, since November 8. But, don’t blame the “wisdom of the American people” for fucks sake.

    • Hardly Ideal

      After this past election/IQ test, putting “wisdom” and “the American people” in the same sentence set my teeth on edge.

      Really, to go from two terms of Obama to Trump? To go from modest but positive progress to fear and anger? There’s no more wisdom in those decisions than in a flock of birds, scattering whenever a bush so much as rustles too loudly.

      • redarmyzombie

        In fairness, Herr Obertrumppenfurher was elected in spite of the American people’s decision, not because of it…

  • eggsacklywright

    Obviously, raids like this should be commanded by ober-commander Rock Slabjaw.

    • Suttree

      Lump Beefbroth.

    • John Resistant Tovarich Smith

      Studley Hungwell.

      • Thaumaturgist

        One of the highest paid lobbyists in Lansing, Michigan, is, or used to be, a guy named Richard Studley.

    • Dr.Zoidberg

      Big McLargeHuge.

      • Kateaux

        Zack Brannigan

    • therblig

      Blast Hardcheese!

    • BearDeLaOursistance

      Chesty Puller, meet Pussy Puller!

  • Don’t it just go to show that you get what you pay for. Christ and we paid for this mess and now we’re going to have to pay someone to come clean it up. How long are we going to be paying for the blue plate special presidency?

    • Khavrinen

      “How long are we going to be paying for the blue plate special presidency?”

      The rest of our lives. The good news is, Trump’s doing his best to make sure that will only be a few more weeks.

  • azeyote

    if they discuss raids into a foreign country over dinner – what horrendous things come up during desert – nukes ?

  • Randy Riddle

    Hmm … now the military is leaking like a sieve about Trump’s shortcomings?

    I guess that’s the more formal way of having a rouge Twitter account.

    • theblackdog

      Considering that cell phones tend to be banned in the spots where people would know that kind of information being leaked, not surprised there isn’t a rogue Twitter account.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    Maybe the dems in congress could “pull an Obamacare” and vote for an investigation, every week for a couple of years?

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Is that really what happened? Or is the Pentagon throwing Trump under the bus for a failure that’s their fault?

    Donald’s about to find out that the infighting he likes among his senior staffers isn’t so much fun when it extends to the people who are empowered to carry out the will of the executive branch. Especially the ones with guns and intel.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    Bannon is going to tell him to say they couldn’t go through normal intel channels for fear of losing the element of surprise.

  • going4baroque

    During 2016: 26,171 bombs were dropped (sprinkled liberally?) on several countries in the middle east, killing people. Do the math and you’ll find that works out to an average of 71.7 bombs daily. War is hell, and civilians are killed, no matter who acts as commander-in-chief.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      War is evil. We here, people who don’t see its effects, can’t fathom it.

      • going4baroque

        There are veterans of wars who are also wonketeers, but generally, your point is valid. Televising the Vietnam war and its casualties, its deaths and maiming, taught the power structure in government one thing for certain: Stop filming the wars. Don’t alarm the citizenry who can and have withdrawn support for war. The most vocal against wars are the ones who’ve fought in them.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          You’re right, of course, I’ve met some Wonkette vets. What I meant, but didn’t say correctly, is that we can’t fathom what it would be like, as civilians, to constantly be under attack. Even the horrors that soldiers see (and the resulting trauma that they suffer from) probably pales in comparison to the agony that a family experiences having to pick up the pieces of their relatives’ bodies after their home is shredded by bullets and bombs.

  • ServantToTheStars

    Should Spice have really divulged that they were told to wait for a moonless night for the raid? Maybe an obvious raid tactic to some, but STFU with details, Sean.

    • Lefty Frizzell

      That’s the “Classic Geraldo” maneuver.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Muslims are powered by the moon, that’s why they keep putting it on all their flags.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      He is apparently a US Navy Reserve Commander. A local wingnut newsguy called Spice “Commander” in asking a question. I thought that was weirdly sucking up. What is the social/military protocol in addressing a reservist by rank in a non-military situation?

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    It’s the first time the trust fund baby is performing without a net. *splat*

  • proudgrampa

    YEMENGHAZI!!!

    • therblig

      the enemy of my enemy is my yemeni

      • proudgrampa

        Yumping Yemeni!

      • eggsacklywright

        Yemeni enema.

  • Ryan Denniston

    No doubt he will tweet about how the Yemeni people are being very unfair to Trump for enbarrasing him.

    • CatCafe de la Resistance

      “Yemeni are rude, lying, they didn’t see the 50 million people at my inauguration! SAD!” *hangs up on them, even though he’s actually tweeting

  • Carpe Vagenda

    a detail other reports don’t mention and the Times doesn’t source

    You wouldn’t believe where they have a reporter embedded.

  • Rick Hill

    “…delegating more power to lower-level officials so that the military may respond more quickly. ”
    Because war hawks and people not on the battlefield but that will get brownie points for a successful operation are just who you want calling the shots. And, hey, a lot of military voted for trump because he would keep them safe, so.,..

    • Tacoclamgenda

      I really value our military and they are treated like shit. But fuck every one of them who voted for whatshisname.

    • ImGoingBacon

      I read this as the military won’t need to involve Trump, because of his lack of experience. YMMV

  • BigBoppa ~ Résistant

    I think it’s safe to say that everything Trump does it’s done with “with inadequate intelligence”.

    • miss_grundy

      Trump Vodka, Trump Air, the New Jersey Generals, the three casinos in Atlantic City, Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Water…….

  • gamera23

    Since it’s still okay for the USA to target our own citizens if they pose a threat, does anyone have any ideas who is a traitor that should be on the list? Discuss!

    • Thaumaturgist

      Sally Yates?

    • Tacoclamgenda

      Obamas
      Clintons
      Mayors of Safe Cities

    • Kooolest G

      rosie o’donnell

    • puredog

      Meryl Streep

    • Sister the Resister

      Every fucking one of us?

  • Lefty Frizzell

    War may be sometimes necessary, but once you go in nobody comes out clean, ever, so it would be nice to have a head honcho doing stuff in your name who wasn’t a complete idiot with a hair trigger.

    • mardam422

      Hair? Trigger? I like that.

  • JohnLindhe

    You are linking to and quoting Kevin Drum not David Corn (they are both at Mother Jones).

  • Stulexington

    This is all Hillary’s fault! If she had done better in the election she’d be president and none of this would have happened! #blamehillarybenghaziemailslikeability

    • CatCafe de la Resistance

      #shrill

  • Thaumaturgist

    I blame Hollywood. Knowing that Donald thinks action movies are training films, Hollywood is going to have to place more emphasis on intelligence and logistics.

    • therblig

      he watched “the apartment” and was disappointed that it wasn’t 90 minutes of raising the rent and then evicting the tenant. plus, that guy was white and looked like he could afford a lawyer.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Or the Pentagon will have to make briefings into video games.

    • Notreelyhelping

      He probably couldn’t make it through Black Hawk Down…too slow, too hard to tell the characters apart when they’re wearing all that army stuff.

  • jesuswasablack

    “We really struggled with getting the [Obama] White House comfortable with getting boots on the ground in Yemen,”
    Let me translate I speak tea-tard chicken hawk: “Colored fella commander in chief was a pussy”
    http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/55ac5d4b1300002f009d7c23.jpeg

    • CatCafe de la Resistance

      Colored fella ILLEGITIMATE “commander in chief” …. and you say you speak tea-tard.

  • gamera23

    Among the side effects listed by Merck, the manufacturer of Propecia, are:
    Impotence.
    Lack of interest in sex.
    Difficulty achieving orgasm.
    Abnormal ejaculation.
    Swelling or tenderness in the breasts.
    Dizziness.
    Depression.
    Bent, painful erections.

    • therblig

      and that’s probably for a normal sized penis

    • BigBoppa ~ Résistant

      I think I’ll just stay bald, thank you very much…….

      • Tacoclamgenda

        Bald(ing) is rather handsome. Usually. Unless you are a Cheeto Benito
        So maybe he’s actually doing us all a favor.

    • gamera23

      He may have been taking this for decades.

    • suziq

      Totally worth it for that luxurious mane!

    • miss_grundy

      No wonder Melania wants to stay in New York. She won’t have to look at that asshat and won’t have to perform her “wifely duties”.

      • I never ever ever want to think about trump and wifely duties ever ever again.

      • Alan
      • Keith Taylor

        I know of no evidence at all that Melania Trump is being unfaithful to the Donald with someone attractive and nice. I just hope so for her sake.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        I, for one, would prefer Melania look at that asshat and perform her “wifely duties” as opposed to 2+ million bucks a day to guard her and Barron in NYC.

        Isn’t there something in the Bible about women with cleavage sticking to their husband’s side?

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Guess which face matches a bent, painful erection, WIN A TRIP TO MAR-A-LAGO!

      https://i0.wp.com/fusion.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/trump-face-2.jpg

    • pstockholm

      I must confess I have no idea what a bent erection is.

    • Alan

      Honestly, I’ve been suffering a lack of interest in sex lately. Side effect of the last election.

  • BigBoppa ~ Résistant

    Colonel John Thomas (heheheheheh).

    In Chicago, there’s a news anchor on the NBC affiliate named Dick Johnson. That one brings out my inner 12 year old every time.

  • CAS

    and yet the cons are giving Trump all this credit for going to meet the casket of the fallen soldier.

    • Darrell Imaginarian

      Yeah Obama would never do that! (He did.)

    • Keith Taylor

      This is not charitable … I know … but is it really appropriate to use the words “charitable” and “Donald Trump” in the same paragraph? (Rhetorical question.) He probably never for one second thought of paying his respects to the man he improvidently got killed until his minders, behind locked doors, said nervously “Er, Mr. Trump, it would sort of be nice and look decent, sir.” His first reaction was probably, “Hell, no, I have tweets to tweet, and to die for the glory of Trump is what these guys are for.” After much stroking of his ego and butt-kissing they were, I would guess, finally able to induce him to make the gesture.

    • CatCafe de la Resistance

      The one he essentially killed. I really can’t stand the fools, the cons, the asshole traitors.

  • Gonzo

    What a load. If the front line commanders are relying on the POTUS and not their forward ops the military has a huge problem. It’s their job to make the call for action. The POTUS doesn’t “pick” targets. Somebodies gonna get fired and it ain’t POTUS.

    • Damian L

      Both would be more better.

    • Alan

      Not my POTUS. I’ve yet to use the words president and what’s his name in the same sentence.

  • Alexander Stallwitz

    Obama and the military never gotten along. Obama wanted to dial back the war on terror. He couldnt do this because of things beyond his control. The military resented this, its why they were so gung ho to do this raid. The military are throwing Trumpy under the bus to save their own skins

    • Hospergar

      Good! The bigger the wedge between him and the military, the safer I feel. Cheetolini is too narcissitic to let go of being publicly blamed for something. And I’d put my money on the marines over ICE.

  • Khavrinen

    “delegating more power to lower-level officials so that the military may respond they may be scape-goated more quickly.”

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      In other news, the administration will be issuing red shirts to all low-level military functionaries.

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    So is the little rodent-faced weasel going to hold eleventy gajillion hearings to get to the bottom of Trump murdering all these folks? Huh?

    • Tacoclamgenda

      Hahahahaha..

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      The answer is LOOK OVER THERE, ITS NUCLEAR WAR WITH MEXICO

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Forget the emails. Who made the risotto??!!!11111!!!

  • puredog

    I’d like to know — just for starters — if it WAS a moonless night. Seems you wouldn’t need a Congresscritter inveggigation to figure that out.

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      New moon was the Friday before the attack. And it was clear, but moonrise was around 6:30 AM, so I suppose there was probably just starlight.

    • CatCafe de la Resistance

      This is all made up. No point in parsing it. Obama scotched the raid for inadequate intel. What intel there would have been would have been even more out of date before Bannon, I mean Trump, tried to make his dick look bigger with this raid. Blaming it on Obama is just their usual dissembling. Soon they’ll try blaming it on Hillary and bringing up Benghazi.

  • miss_grundy

    The fool decided to rush in because he wanted to act all macho. What a dunce.

    • Alternative Pony Ron

      Acting macho. He has no ACTUAL machismo, however.

  • Relativicus

    The Adventures of Trump Brannigan!

    https://youtu.be/eowPka21BNc

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    So if the Yemenis didn’t hate us before, they certainly have reason to now. Quite the coups for Bannon’s Bitch. I thought he was supposed to make America great again, not the terrorists recruiting drive.

  • schmannity

    Since Trump knows more than his generals, he owns it.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Considering the outcome of this mission, and what with his “personal Vietnam” being how he avoided being knee deep in the big STD’s in the 70s, I maybe think he said “I know more about ISIS than my genitals do”

      • stubbornirishlass

        Are we absolutely certain he doesn’t have syphilis? Notwithstanding his stellar medical record, as attested to by Dr Nick. I’m just saying.

        • CatCafe de la Resistance

          All his behavior (incoherence, word salad, inability to retrieve words, explosive temper tantrums, fear of stairs) is consistent with Alzheimers. Also heavy use of, er, diet drugs, also known as amphetamines. And, of course, being a lazy, stupid, sociopathically narcissistic asshole.

  • pstockholm

    Something I don’t get, help me out. If these were high-value targets, sophisticated terrorists planning operations against the US, would they really, in 2017, keep details of their networks, operational planning or other intel on hard drives? In a house they know can be bombed or raided at any time?
    If they were such bunglers that the military thought they did do that, is it credible that they were a credible threat to anyone?
    It doesn’t add up.
    And it certainly doesn’t sound like a reasonable call for a mission with a high chance of civilian casualties, even if it had been perfectly planned and executed, with low risk to the attacking force.

    • pstockholm

      Sorry, comment on comment, but I’m pretty upset.
      So in the middle of a firefight, they succeeded in locating exactly those computers with hard drives, that no-one in the compound had any routines for wiping or destroying in the event of an attack, using intel had pinpointed the exact location with such accuracy that retrieving them was possible, although the intel apparently didn’t know how strongly guarded the compound was.
      I find this, let’s say, a little hard to believe.

      • Alternative Pony Ron

        This entire administration is hard to believe.

      • It is ridiculous to believe. There is some scuttlebutt that they seized exactly nothing but will use the pretext of the “intel” they gathered to commit some seriously anti-constitutional goals.

  • JParkerSD46

    While this clusterfuck will surely give the US a black eye and provide even more fodder for radicalizing Muslims, too many people in the US (can you guess which ones) will cheer Dear Leader as a man of action, saving us from the heathens. These people are just like Dear Leader, hateful bullies. Yes, I’m sure some people with very bad intentions were killed, but how can the bullies justify the killing of a child? As you rightly point out, this was simply a maneuver to make Trump look like a tough guy in front of his supporters, and perhaps he thinks this will put fear into others internationally. He sure scares the fuck out of me. We have to continue to resist the hate.

  • whitroth

    YEMENGHAZI! We need hearings! We need two, three, many hearings, on how Trumpolini killed that SEAL and that little girl with his own M-4 rifle….

  • nick kelly

    If Defense Sec Mattis can’t keep these camp followers at bay- watch out.
    What will really be interesting is if Sec State Tillerson gets his wish to deny China access to its man- made islands (as distinct from ignoring grandiose claims around them)
    However this should be watched some distance from the West Coast.

  • Or, considering how TrumpLand leaks like the hydraulic lines on a V-22 Osprey,

    But the electrical system is top notch!

  • nick kelly

    The sudden loss of temper with closest ally Australia ( only Aus joined US in Nam) is consistent with early signs of dementia.
    BTW: with a pop smaller than California Aus took in over 13, 000 refugees 2014-15

    • And stuck them all on slum islands off the coast where they weren’t given any protections or recourse to legal aide.
      ok not ALL. Surely they let the rich ones through.

  • Alan

    Pretty sure you don’t make a lot of friends by killing cute little eight year old girls with poofy skirts and bows on their heads. These people make me want to puke.

  • ltmcdies
  • CatCafe de la Resistance

    What’s even more ridiculous is Benghazi wasn’t even a deliberate raid, deliberately putting people at risk. It was already a hotspot, and they’d asked repeatedly for greater security and been denied by the Republicans. It was only “Hillary’s fault” in that she was Secretary of State at the time, by which logic, of course, all the deaths at hotspot embassies during GWB’s presidency, are, equally, GWB’s fault, not to mention the 150 Marines murdered in their sleep because of St. Ronnie’s actual refusal to have adequate security. This was an actual raid, ordered deliberately, out of ego and trying to make himself look like a Big Man. He truly IS responsible for it, in every way.

  • Begin Anew Day

    Ms Clinton did this too?

    That woman sure gets around! If I was a grandma who had her heart shattered last November I’d be over at Chelsea’s house playing with the grand baby and taking it easy.

    Whoa! Newsflash! Channel 7 just said that Hillary Rodham Clinton was spotted downtown driving drunk and littering the streets with 100% VALID WORK VISAS and shouting “I gotcher immigration reform right here donnie!”

    That woman is a MACHINE!

    Keep on keeping’ on Hillz! You may not be prez but you are the Queen Of My Heart Forever!

  • Marceline

    “William ‘Ryan’ Owens and Nawar Anwar al-Awlaki”

    We need to share both of their names. This soldier and this beautiful child deserve that. Tweet. Post. Leave their names on the voicemail of elected representatives. Force them to answer for this.

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