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[–]postpunkcub 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (36子コメント)

FUCK THE FASH UP, COMRADES. NO PLATFORM.

[–]Shill_Nyecrazy straw enthusiast 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

He wouldn't have a platform if people...you know, ignored him. This is his platform. He feeds off of this.

[–]postpunkcub 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You realize this was the exact same rhetoric of people like Neville Chamberlain, Hindenberg, etc. employed, and all the other people who urged people to just simply "ignore" the fascists and debate them when they showed their faces. In case you forgot what happened last time fascists were given a platform, let me remind you.

"If fascism could be defeated in debate, I assure you that it would never have happened, neither in Germany, nor in Italy, nor anywhere else. Those who recognised its threat at the time and tried to stop it were, I assume, also called “a mob”. Regrettably too many “fair-minded” people didn’t either try, or want to stop it, and, as I witnessed myself during the war, accommodated themselves when it took over … People who witnessed fascism at its height are dying out, but the ideology is still here, and its apologists are working hard at a comeback. Past experience should teach us that fascism must be stopped before it takes hold again of too many minds, and becomes useful once again to some powerful interests." - Frank Frison, Holocaust survivor and antifascist activist. I bolded the most relevant parts to this discussion.

""Only one thing could have stopped our movement - if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement." - Adolf Hitler

Call me crazy, but I'm gonna take the words of people who lived this shit over some uneducated, random "LE GOLDEN MEAN, BOTH SIDES ARE BAD" mook on the Internet. No platform for people whose political belief is literally the genocide of all "inferior people."

[–]cybelechild -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This kind of reminds me of the last time people decided to fuck the "fash" up in my country.

[–]postpunkcub 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I genuinely do not feel bad that landlords, the rich, politicians, and clergy were killed by a working class insurgency. Womp womp.

[–]cybelechild -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

working class insurgency.

Lel... Great working class insurgency for killing people who listen to the radio or read the wrong books, or have the wrong opinion.

[–]postpunkcub 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That article literally said it was the political and military elite that were largely killed, along with landowners and politicians. I genuinely do not care that some bourgies got killed.

[–]signal-zero 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Reminder to hysterical Nazis: 👏It's👏Not👏A👏First👏Amendment👏/👏Free👏Speech👏Issue👏If👏The👏Government👏Isn't👏Involved👏

[–]RoundDuckManandrogynous-ish (I identify as male[my original sex]) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget it doesn't prevent fascist students from yelling whatever dumbass shit they want.

[–]john22544 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course it is a free speech issue which doesn't mean necessarily that it is a legal issue). It may or may not be a first amendment issue. If the mayor of Berkeley told the police to stand down it may be a first amendment issue. In any case free speech and the first amendment are not the same thing and should not be treated like they are. It is scary to me the number of people who think free speech is a government thing. Free speech is the responsibility of everyone that believes in freedom and liberty, don't use the government as an excuse to be a little fascist (lower case f).

[–]Bloo_Driver 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But this isn't even a free speech issue on those grounds. Milo is still free to say whatever he would have said in his shitshow, the people who manage that particular venue decided they just don't want him there.

[–]allkindsofjake -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't Berkely a public college though?

[–]electricfoxx 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So, basically, his speech is just him being an asshole on stage.

I don't get the whole thing of him being gay makes him different. Gay people are allowed to hate other gay people.

[–]IllCaesar 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"But you see, he's not afraid to speak his mind!"

That's the thing I've noticed the sort that tend most to support folks like Milo - they're complete cowards. A quarter of this country wants folks like us imprisoned or killed and most of us leave our homes everyday without a second thought. They're hysterically afraid of being called the R word, "racist", by a random complete stranger that they'll never encounter again for the rest of their lives. Just remember that you have more courage in your pinkie than tens of millions of them do.

[–]nobuguu 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're hysterically afraid of being called the R word, "racist", by a random complete stranger that they'll never encounter again for the rest of their lives.

Personally, I think being called out for saying something racist is a good thing, because it's something I am now empowered to (at least try to) correct. I don't think I could ever truthfully say "I'm not racist", simply because I'm not hyper-aware enough of my own thought processes to be able to examine every single one of them to see if they've been tainted by it.

The lack of introspection displayed by Milo's supporters is pathetic. A rock would be less pathetic, because while a rock is about as capable of introspection as they are, at least a rock can't call you a cuck.

[–]Hufflepuffupagus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A Nazi got cancelled, thus proving that protest works.

[–]MsVentureHave a nice day! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Awesome, I'll always upvote something that shows Milo getting screwed over. Also as I've said other times protests, Milo and "muh free speech" blah blah blah have come up: aren't protesters exercising their right to free speech by protesting this? And a private institution is under no obligation to give a platform to anyone, especially someone who just uses that platform to shout nonsense about women, lesbians, bisexuals, trans people, arabs, black people, etc.

[–]Lycanthrowrug 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some advice from an older activist:

Milo is insignificant, and preventing him from speaking on a college campus is an insignificant victory. He feeds on this kind of controversy, and it only makes his fans admire him more. The protests will end up on Breitbart as more fuel for their fire.

The people who ultimately make progress set their own agenda and pursue it in a strategic and methodical way. I'm working on an effort to flip my nearest swing district to a Democrat in upcoming elections. Because I live in NC, we're still dealing with HB2, and I was on the phone this morning with the office of my NCGA Senator, a Republican, one who actually wants to get rid of it.

Milo speaking on a university campus is nothing compared to Steve Bannon running things in the White House. Stopping Bannon would be a significant victory, for the planet. Call your senator.