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[–]brixtonslag 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What I will say, is that for people who are supposed to hate Trump, they seem very keen on giving him an excuse to use all of the powers he has at his disposal.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The Reichstag burns again.

[–]FSMhelpusall 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

In this case, we can be sure it doesn't need to be a false flag. They're already burning buildings.

[–]redbreadredemptionam butt expert 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

its a sad realisation when the commies of the WW2 era had to be framed for violence while commies of today are more than willing to do it themselves

[–]Singulaire 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The WW2 era commies were more than willing as well. Historians are far from certain that the Reichstag fire was a frame job.

[–]Whanhee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well an actual communist was responsible for the arson right?

[–]The_Killbot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, I almost have to wonder if that's the intent. When the black bloc fucked up the g20 protests in Toronto, it seemed to be with the intent of allowing the police a reason to round up and corral all the peaceful protesters.

[–]SupremeReader 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (48子コメント)

what happened under the NSDAP was horrific almost beyond words and only seriously in contention with the actions of Imperial Japan for the title of ‘closest thing to pure evil ever to exist in reality’

None of these niggas have anything on ol' Genghis.

[–]Khar-Selim 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Also Stalin, if you need something a bit more current. Fuck, even their science topped the Nazis. Unethical experiments? Try millions of dead farmers because you can't be arsed to admit that competition isn't a social construct.

[–]drunkjake 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Imperial japan and unit 571 is up there too.

[–]SupremeReader 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]drunkjake 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know enough to comment on the soviet labs, regrettably.

But, 571 did use prisoners tied to stakes to test flamethrowers and whatnot. Amazing how downplayed their history is.

[–]SupremeReader 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

571 did use prisoners tied to stakes to test flamethrowers

No, they didn't. They were into biochemical research. They would drop plague bombs around people tied to poles to test infection rates.

[–]drunkjake 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They didn't just do biochemical research. Same with their frostbite experiments and whatnot.

I know, wikipedia, but yolo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Weapon_testing

[–]JavierTheNormal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mao, Pot, Stalin, Hitler were the big 4 of the 20th. You could probably add a few if you include Africa.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Say what you want about Genghis, but he did all his evil shit to enforce compliance and destroy rivals rather than just plucking people groups from a hat and having them shipped off to deathcamps. There's a special kind of evil which comes without necessity or reward to be evil.

[–]reddit_is_gayest -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

rather than just plucking people groups from a hat and having them shipped off to deathcamps.

Who on earth do you think did that? Try paying a bit more attention, nobody was ever random, people have motives not just "lol look I can be evil!!11"

[–]SNCommand 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The nazis really did believe the Jews were conspiring against them for example, in propaganda it was stated regularly that it was the Jews who organised the surrender during WWI, and who was leading the armed communist revolutions that followed

There was also the fact that a lot of Jews were wealthy, the nazis needed funds because heavy government expenditure meant they were going in the red, and robbing one of the richest minority groups made as much sense as invading their neighbors and shaking them dry for cash

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

They were scapegoats. It might not have been random, but it was only because they were politically useful groups to target.

[–]reddit_is_gayest -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

"They were random but they weren't random". Uh huh. "Only because they were politically useful to target", gee that sounds an awful lot like "to enforce compliance and destroy rivals".

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are you suggesting the Jews were asking for it?

[–]reddit_is_gayest 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am suggesting he had the exact same motive as Genghis you dumbass.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Genghis killed people who went directly against him. Unless you're suggesting the Jews were actually scheming against Germany for shekels (the Nazi belief) then they were innocent scapegoats redirecting hate to where Hitler could use to for most personal gain.

[–]SupremeReader [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Unless you're suggesting the Jews were actually scheming against Germany for shekels (the Nazi belief)

You didn't watch the videos I showed you.

[–]reddit_is_gayest [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Genghis killed people who went directly against him

How the hell would you know? Were you there? He killed people that he said were against him. Kinda like every other person in history that killed a bunch of people.

[–]vintermann [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Genghis killed people who he thought went directly against him (and everyone related to them). Hitler killed people who he thought went directly against him (and everyone related to them). Now, you speculate that Genghis was maybe more right that the people he killed were his enemies - at least the ones who didn't just have the misfortune to be related to someone who was.

But so? That doesn't make him less evil than Hitler, it just makes him a little smarter at best.

For that matter, I'm sure lots of Jews sincerely wanted to get rid of Hitler. Can't exactly blame them, can you? Enemies don't appear in a vacuum. That doesn't make genocide any less evil.

[–]SupremeReader -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hitler blamed them for corrupting the very natural order of humanity (with Christianity, capitalism, communism, assorted internationalism, human rights, and so forth). Timothy Snyder has great lectures on origins of the Holocaust.

[–]Isodif 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Genghis wasn't really evil, just really good at conquering assholes and turning them into lesser assholes.

Khwarezmid Empire really brought it upon themselves for being wiped out as a people. Genghis Khan gave them a pretty nice trade deal involving their silk that would have enrichen both people. the Khwarezmid responded by killing the messenger and chucking his head at Genghis.

Now Genghis was a pretty rational person, having given many people he has conquered quite a fair bit of freedoms and reforms, going so far as to include freedom of religion. hell he set up one of the first post systems, and many of his top generals used to be his enemies before he defeated them, and offered them a job rather than execution. he would often give people a chance of surrendering before he attacked, allowing them to join his growing Empire peacefully. But killing off his messenger pissed him off, however as a rational person he didn't feel like being a total dick so he sent another one just to be sure.

those fuckers did it again.

Genghis not only wiped the entire people out, but he personally poured molten Silver down the throat of the fucker who ordered the execution of his Messenger.

[–]TherealScrable 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Tell that the Polish, Russian... Or whoever he invaded...

They literally did genocide and burned entire cities. That's why "You mongol" is an insult. Same effect as Barbaric.

[–]Isodif 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

i'm pretty sure at that point of his life, he lost his remaining hope in humanity and just settled for a "burn them all and let god sort them out" approach.

[–]SupremeReader -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was already after his... actions... in China etc.

[–]Isodif -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

it damaged, but did not destroy his hope in humanity.

[–]SupremeReader 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

In China he already destroyed a big chunk of humanity (as in global human population).

[–]Isodif 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

China has killed more Chinese than Genghis Khan has killed people.

[–]SupremeReader 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

China is thousands years old.

He directly or indirectly killed about half of people in China. As I said, the WWII Japs had nothing on him.

[–]Aurondarklord 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Genghis was actually pretty reasonable, by the standards of 13th century conquerors. If you surrendered, he would let you keep your culture, your faith, and have your society mostly as it was, just paying tribute and fealty to him. Compared to many empires of the day, that was downright merciful.

Stalin and Mao though, definitely deserve to be on the "closest things to pure evil" list.

[–]SupremeReader 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Next you will tell me his copycat fan Tamerlane was also "pretty reasonable".

[–]Aurondarklord 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't really know that much about Tamerlane. But again, I'm talking about reasonable BY THE STANDARD OF THE TIME. When the norm is "I'll conquer you and force my culture on you", "I'll conquer you and let you keep your culture" sounds reasonable BY COMPARISON.

[–]SupremeReader [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't really know that much about Tamerlane.

The pyramids of skulls, the towers from skulls, The Sword of Islam, Make Baghdad Dead Again.

[–]Aurondarklord [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow, that's a lot of skulls. What was this dude, Khorne?

[–]Lithovore 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Ghenghis should be one of the most revered historical figures.

Without him we'd all be fucking goats and raping children.

[–]SupremeReader 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Maybe you.

Trivia: Genghis never bathed.

[–]Lithovore 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Still less filthy than Islam.

[–]SupremeReader -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Baghdad was the (literally) greatest city on Earth before Gegnhis came around.

He killed pretty much everyone, that is about 1 million Baghdadis.

[–]Lithovore 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm sorry that I don't mourn for a people whose sole modus operandi is raping.

Temüjin prevented the islamic conquest of the world, for this he should be celebrated.

[–]SupremeReader -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The silly pope thought the same. If Genghis lived just few years longer, everyone in Vatican would have had heads on pikes (like they did with our would-be king and razed our would-be-again capital).

[–]Lithovore 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, but he didn't, his armies had to retreat because a new Khan was to ascend.

[–]SupremeReader -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

THE FUCKING LUCK

The Russians had no luck and to this day are Mongolized, genetically and sociopolitically.

[–]Lithovore 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That might have been a bonus for us, too, I'd have prefered cyrillic over "goat rape squibblies", but latin is still better.

Smashing great empires tends to be good for the lesser empires.

[–]iHeartCandicePatton -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Unit 571

[–]SupremeReader 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's perhaps going to be hard for you to comprehend, but try to understand: during his lifetime Genghis was responsible for the death of about 10-11% of global population of the entire world (including Americas and Australia-Oceania).

[–]iHeartCandicePatton 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey man be cool

[–]SupremeReader 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, the Mongols alone killed proportionally more people than everyone in WWI and WWII combined.

Even counting the Spanish Flu and the Russian Civil War and everything you want.

[–]IIHotelYorba 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I recently had a conversation with a snowflake who explained in great detail that antifa has this entire alternate history. They consider themselves the descendants of other groups who violently fought "fascists," and basically credit these groups as the reason fascism has not risen again.

I think they're profoundly deluded fantasists, and in more ways than one.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists" - Ignazio Silone

Delusion of some sort is a prerequisite to most extremism, so I'm not shocked they're so deluded.

[–]Moth92 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that who said it? Ignazio Silone? Good to know.

[–]AnchovyKiedis 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're an authoritarian's wet dream, basically. If one did want to establish a true dictatorship, they are vital to that. And like other dictatorships, it would be welcomed with open arms most likely when it came.

Like I saw someone else say, that's actually the scary part for some. Because they know how it happens, can see how it happens, and now they're getting a real live example. They see these antifa rioters and they relish the thought of a military crackdown on them so much that they would be on board with it and that scares them.

The Russian proverb, Look too closely at history and you'll lose an eye, forget history and you'll lose both eyes, applies. I think it's going to be tricky to navigate the situation that's forming.

[–]wintermute71 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Look too closely at history and you'll lose an eye, forget history and you'll lose both eyes

That is fucking amazing.

[–]TherealScrable 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I know some of these in RL actually. Although... They are actually moderate leftists or say, the old kind of left. They still believe that Antifa was relevant in 1933 and identify with the communist movement. In Germany.

Being a Pole living in Germany right now, I need to restrain myself from saying anything. We Poles had to fight both, Nationalsocialists and Communists...

After 1944 the "liberation" or better, the handover from one regime to another (made possible by our "allies"), the Communists described themselves as Antifascists. They claimed that the Cursed Soldiers(Soldiers/Civilians who were part of the Polish Underground Army and who did not accept Soviet Occupation and fought until 1954) were German sympathizers, even though they were fighting against them as well as the Soviets.

[–]vintermann [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's extremely easy to cook up alt-history justifications. Imagine all the worse things that would have happened if we didn't do all the bad things we did! Favorite genre of the jingoist.

[–]Arkeld 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Simply put: Nobody wants a group of skinhead nazis to show up at their event. But now imagine some masked cunts start attacking you and the nazis show up and beat them back. All of a sudden, you're not so angry that they turned up, right?

No, the enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, but it's hard to deny that we have something in common, right?

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly it. The enemy of your enemy isn't a friend, but they might not be an enemy so they're more palatable even if they're equally extreme because they might tolerate you.

[–]suna-epar 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Basically, extremists are temporary allies in a fight against civilized society.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not so much against civilized society as united by a common identified problem with whatever status quo prompts the first wave of extremism, yet still divided by proposed solutions. That middleground might itself be extremist in some way depending on the situation, and the only real point of agreement between the extremist sides is that social contracts against political violence should be suspended (along with other freedoms) until the problem is resolved.

[–]kequilla 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When the means create the ends, why is it any wonder extremists of equivalent means create equivalent ends?

[–]spectemur 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ayyyyyye someone way more committed than I went ahead and did this.

Great post! Been thinking along the same lines for a few weeks now. Awesome stuff.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

;)

I'm just waiting for Ghazi to wake up and see this now.

[–]Flybuys 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I said it in another thread. But antifa is profa now, or just fa.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Antifa are authoritarian dickwads, but they're also leaderless at the moment. Far more like the origins of Sovietism that single-leader fascist. Still a dangerous and scary concept if they're allowed to get away with this shit though.

[–]LividGGPartisan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What I think you're leaving out is the brownshirts - the closest modern equivalent of which is the black block.

The brownshirts were also known as the SA, or sturmarbteilung. They were the very first thing Hitler made with the NSDAP - and he made it from the remainder of his supporters from the 1923 putsch and those who would follow him when he was released from prison.

The citizens clad in old military uniforms which the NSDAP had acquired for just such a purpose; these were brown, hence, brownshirts. Supposedly they were for the purpose of protecting hitler himself, but in reality it was a paramilitary organization that was willing to show up and march or protest anywhere on a whim.

The core of the SA was working class anti semites, racists and nationalists - After the first world war, Hitler got a sweet geek as a spy for the government. He would infiltrate radical political movements pretending to be one of their own, and write reports on what happened within them. It is through this work, undoubtedly, that he eyed the opportunity to become leader of one such group.

He went into such a group with the aim of offering them an ideological solution, thereby coopting the purpose of the group from being a bunch of disgruntled unemployed jew haters - in a kind of proto-SJW fashion I might add. He was then able to secure corporate sponsorship from Ford (does this sound familiar to anything we know?....), who was not too keen on jews either, it would appear. Finally, these people were militarized for the putsch (but not well enough militarized), but after hitlers release from prison, the SA grew in number to more than 100.000 people. Even today, such a protest army would be pretty terrifying, dwarfing any typical police force by a factor of 10-100.

The SA were eventually replaced by the SS, during the night of the long knives - Hitlers initial powerbase were not quite so died in the whool as he would like, so he cleaned house and eliminated all the political opponents he had had within his own party, most of whom had served as early allies. The SS, by the way, was also paramilitary - and not military police, but rather private citizens part of an organized militia.

These paramilitary movements are absolutely key to fascism - you need to establish a 'state outside of the state', so to speak; a group of ordinary citizens whose higher purpose in life is not the defense of their own nation, but rather the defense of their ideology. This is how the knob is twisted and fascism is allowed to rise - militarized citizenry that are willing to do violence.

This is also why Trump is not a problem - yeah, he had rallies, and yes, he has some amount of popular support (though not much) - but he has no ideological support structure, and no one willing to fight for him in particular. He could not even muster half a capital mall, and browshirt-esque ideological support would be much more fervent than that.

This means, also, that the closest thing to the rise of fascism is the violent demonstrations we've seen. They're comparatively tiny, and not worth much fear in the united states - but they will become scary in europe over the coming decades if they are allowed to fester and grow.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

While I didn't mention them directly, I did point out at every moment that there was a right-wing extreme equivalent to every named left-wing extreme action. The Brownshirts being among them.

[–]LividGGPartisan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

yeah, you did. I didn't want this to be a criticism so much as an added observation.

[–]ShadistsReddit 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (8子コメント)

A complete side-note but this rather forcefully reminds me of all the dumb fucks who keep prattling on about the US's situation mirroring the fall of Rome because they can pick out one or two factors that happened during Rome's decline.

Drives me a bit nuts honestly.

[–]throwthetrash16 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It actually does though, at least before the election.

The Republic was built upon slavery once the Romans left the Italian peninsula, raping and pillaging empires and rival states. The rich grew richer and bought more and more estates, working them with slave labor. Eventually, a large population, especially military veterans, went hungry and poor, unable to find work due to deflated or non-existent wages paid to slaves. The populist Grachi clan tried to fix this, installing fixed grain prices, introducing the dole and attempting land reform and redistribution. They were butchered in the streets before the senate house by the Optimates.

Eventually, the problems got out of hand and the Optimates and Populares were at the boiling point and threatening the stability of the state, culminating in the former ordering the arrest of the latter's Caesar, whom they believed was too popular and powerful and therefore a threat to the rich. In killing the Grachi reformers, the Optimates had, much like the French nobles before the revolution, ruined all hope of them keeping their control. The poor no longer had any chance at peaceful change.

The parallel here is immigration and foreign trade. Illegal immigration and foreign manufacturing has depressed wages and removed the jobs that were there 10-20 years ago, leaving many impoverished. Unlike Rome, however, the USA's dole is piss-poor and the staple food prices are not fixed, leaving the problem worse than Rome's. The mega-corporations have grown rich off of the mass-movement of jobs offshore and the near-slave labor they employ at home and abroad.

The parallel here ends at the Grachi reforms: we skipped the butchering (or rather may have prolonged it, if Trump is assassinated). A populist leader was elected, the rich senate put in it's place and the reforms are now either done or in the process of being done. I would not be surprised if in an alternate reality where Trump lost that the problems were never solved; illegal immigration continued even worse, the TPP would have eroded the nation state and allowed a rich corporatocracy to finally take over fully, etc.

History repeats itself, all the time. This is why we should never forget it, else we might end up with a new Caesar, or a new Napoleon, or a new Hitler. These sweet democracies our fathers fought and bled for will whither away, nought but ash, blowing in the wind.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, people too often have an incomplete understanding of historical events then get scared when the most generic factors reassert themselves without any of the complexities that allowed things to get really bad.

[–]cfl158k Knight - Order of the GET 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They took over the schools first, so what do you expect?

[–]ShadistsReddit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, in this instance it's mostly the right wing folk who liken today to Rome.

[–]cfl158k Knight - Order of the GET -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one learns anything in school.

[–]illeity 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

coughStefanMolyneuxcough

[–]KitanIV 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not an argument!

[–]illeity 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His recent video on the UC Berkeley riots is rather surprising because he considers the possibility that the time for arguments has long past.

Given the continued irrational violence peppering the country... it's pretty sad to see him at that state.

[–]HorrorBrot 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

When the Reichstag burned it was the final act of political violence from the extreme-left.

It still isn't clear who actually burned down the Reichstag and probably never will. Some think it was a false-flag from the Nazis themselves or that they somewhat nudged van der Lubbe to do it and prepared flammable materials in the parlament.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's fairly well agreed that Marinus van der Lubbe committed the act, and he was a known and confessed Dutch council communist so for the sake of a keynote-brief history lesson it can be called extreme-left violence. You're right though, what isn't agreed is if he acted alone.

[–]teriyakiburns 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot of the discussion around the false-flag argument seems to assume that the act took place in a political vacuum. It's often stated to be a false flag because it was so convenient to Hitler's ambitions, and if it had taken place in a political vacuum then they might have had a point. Thing is, with the way things were going at the time, it was inevitable that someone on the left would do something similarly retarded sooner or later, regardless of any false-flag plans that might have been in the works.

Hitler wasn't stupid. He had realised that all he had to do was sit back and wait for the violent left-wing factions to give him everything on a platter.

[–]SNCommand 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, the Reichstag fire presumes that pre WWII Germany was stable and peaceful, instead it was a country experiencing riots, attempted coups, mass inflation, political assassinations, terrorism, and to the east all their neighbors were mobilizing and going to war with each other

A political extremist setting fire to the Reichstag was never really a surprise to anyone

[–]lucben999 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Their seemingly inexhaustible supply of arrogance gives them about a snowball's chance in hell of ever realizing this.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They'll realise it, whether it's before or after they create an actual fascist state it another question.

[–]lucben999 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If that does happen they'll just shift the blame and continue saying that they were right all along, hell, they'll probably start claiming that their "protests" were always peaceful and that they regret not using violence to stop the "fascists" when they had the chance.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They'll try I'm sure, but history hasn't been particularly kind to the soviet revolutionaries either.

[–]lucben999 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

History is unkind to whoever loses, slander against Domitian persisted for over a thousand years, truth and reason only seem to prevail once the points being argued no longer matter. All bets are off, there is no certain future and no guaranteed comeuppance for the regressives, the only thing that matters is fighting them to the best of our ability.

[–]Gingor 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it does happen, they won't say a whole lot anymore.

[–]Filgaia 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

While it is an accurate summary i don´t think it goes far enough to really understand the rise of Hitler at least not with further information. The influence of Germany being like a headless chicken after Max von Baden exiled Kaiser Willhelm II. or the SPD hasty proclaiming the german republic cannot be understated. The SPD vastly overestimated how many people wanted to actively participate in the first german democracy, most people had other problems back then.

To portrait the rise of Hitler accurately imo you not only need to know the story of the Weimarer Republic but also how Germany used to be prior to WW I (~1850 -1914) and this is the knowledge even most germans lack (or can´t transfer it to look at things).

Hitlers rise to power is one of the most complex things to look at in modern history it´s not a thing that can simply be explained because for it to happen a lot of fails needed to occur.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

While that's true, I doubt that many people would are both willing to read more than a 1K words long post while not being interested enough to start looking it up on a more rigorously checked source.

[–]Filgaia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That´s true and it wasn´t a slight against you. I think you did a good job summarizing the politcal climate in the weimarer republic which led to the rise of Hitler for readers who don´t have much knowledge about it.

I´m only stating that this is only the tip of the iceberg and to really understand how it came to the 3. Reich and WW II you have to take a lot more into account.

What i´m sick and tired of is comparing Trump to the rise of Hitler and the "This is how Hitler came to power!" - phrase. It´s much more complicated than that.

[–]jamai_kin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where can I learn about the history of Germany from an even broader period, say 1750 (year isn't relevant, just decades before the War of 1812 is what I want) to 1914? Any recommendations on YouTube? The reason is because my ancestors emigrated to the US from Germany around the time of the War of 1812.

[–]Filgaia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I´m afraid you have to search for yourself. I don´t know any channels or websites about that. I read some printed magazines about the time in german (which of course are only cliffnotes).

[–]jamai_kin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is such a great post. I know this comment is pointless, bury me, but this is something everyone needs to see.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

<3 U

Thanks for the praise anyway.

[–]Aurondarklord 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am really terrified that history will repeat itself, and the actions of the extreme left will legitimize and empower actual right-wing authoritarians, and give them excuses to crack down on opposition.

The more violent and scary SJWs become, the more people will look to the government to protect them, by any means necessary, and eventually, we'll find ourselves here, as Trump, or some successor to Trump, announces that he's heroically defeated an SJW coup attempt and things are gonna be very different from now on in America to make sure it never happens again.

And I just don't get how they don't see that.

[–]chipkellysbigballs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What people often ignore is Hitler was of the Left, his National Socialist party held views and instituted policies that would be widely accepted on the Left today, and when he was targeting political opponents, he was specifically targeting other Leftist organizations such as the Bolsheviks whom he was directly competing with for power in Germany.

Jonah Goldberg wrote a great book on this called Liberal Fascism, and if you don't want to read it, here is a speech he did on the book where he outlines the roots of Fascism (Socialism) and its growth in Italy and Germany: link to speech

[–]AnchovyKiedis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just going to add that if you haven't watched this video, Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.

This is an extremely good time to watch this either as a first time or a follow up. It's 2.5 hours long, but if you can devote 2.5 hours to watching something like the next Marvel movie, this is infinitely more worth your 2.5 hours (actually almost 3 I just noticed).

The video

[–]Batu_khagan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know this sub is... mixed about Vox Day. He's a GG supporter, but he's also.... not very nice. (I hold back on the profanity because I've been reading his blog for over a decade).

What disturbed me about this election cycle is that he had been salivating at the chance to wreak vengeance on the Left. What's annoying though is that he does all his ra-ra-rhetoric from the safety of another country and proudly states he will never go back to the USA. "Let's him and you fight" that is.

It's clear to me that both sides are banking on "They started it!" as a carte blanche to justify all their actions--but at the same time, it's even clearer to me that the Left are crazier, more unhinged side in this conflict.

[–]mnemosyne-0001 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this discussion:


I am Mnemosyne reborn. Crush! Kill! Destroy! /r/botsrights

[–]wetmonkeyfartsThe new Romney? [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I thought the burning of the reichstag was a false flag operation

[–]FuckURedditor -18 ポイント-17 ポイント  (22子コメント)

A month ago, I was against all political violence.

Today, as a Trump supporter, I'm hoping that some right wingers decide to cowboy up and put these fucking savages in their place. They started the violence. I'm okay with us (or better yet, the national guard) finishing it.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (15子コメント)

And that's exactly the logic explained above. Extremism breeds extremism because once the social contract against political violence breaks down it becomes the expected norm.

[–]TheAntiSJW3 -9 ポイント-8 ポイント  (14子コメント)

This is the only way to stop the SJW and cultural Marxist menace in the West. They do not listen to facts, they do not listen to authority. The only way that western civilization will triumph is by showing no mercy to its enemies. The time for arguments has long past, and the only response here is to make SJWs and their cultural Marxist masters bleed, otherwise we are the ones who will. Trump needs to declare martial law and extinguish every SJW and degenerate from the country at once.

In short, the ship has already sailed. If you want peace, prepare for war. The day of the rope is coming, and if you refuse to join Western civilization, then keep in mind that this is the bed you made.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (13子コメント)

The only way to defeat them it to enforce the law, not allow a violent counter-ideology to grow in response. Keep the debate open for centrists, and only punish the extreme edges who break that law. Keep the social contracts that delegitimise political violence intact by prosecuting, not persecuting, violent criminals whatever their ideology.

[–]wintermute71 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

^ This. And this is why I'm most angry with the Democrats and Obama. Why the fuck are they not standing up for the law and unequivocally condemning the violence? They are playing a fucking terrifying game of chicken. I can't believe more people can't see what's happening.

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well good news, Obama is gone. Bad news, now we have to rely on Trump being that centrist force of lawful debate..... God help us all.....

[–]wintermute71 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didn't hear Obama calling for calm when he spoke a couple of days ago; did you?

[–]Single_Use-Account[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which is why I said it's good he's gone.

[–]wintermute71 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My point was that Obama's not actually 'gone.' Sure, he's no longer president, but he's hanging around DC and making speeches critical of Trump--after, what, 10 days of being out of power?--and none of what he said was critical of the violence.

[–]Batu_khagan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like violence any more than the average person. However, when

the social contracts that delegitimise political violence intact by prosecuting

...are viewed as persecution by the [rightful] targets of said prosecution, AND the latter are legitimized by the media and the universities, the social contract is null and void and we are enter a "might makes right" scenario. Our only hope is that who ever happens to have the might actually IS right, but since our civilization has been shitting on the validity of authority for centuries, that hope may be foolish.

[–]genghispullo -9 ポイント-8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That ship has sailed. The political appointees who decide who gets prosecuted won't go after the antifa. The mayor ordered police to stand down. In fact, the government shut down electricity and jammed communications to prevent the extent of the violence from getting out.

When the media and shadow government are this entrenched, debate and principles are not going to remove them.

[–]Jack-BrowserMod[M] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Take 3 days to cool your head. If and when you return, please don't condone political violence on my subreddit. See you.

[–]iHeartCandicePatton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It didn't look like he was advocating violence in that comment

[–]Jack-BrowserMod[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Read his first sentence in context to what he replied to. Appeal is still pending, for what it's worth.

[–]iHeartCandicePatton 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait, we can appeal getting banned? Shit, wish I knew that sooner

[–]Jack-BrowserMod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you think this is? The USSR Ghazi?

[–]reddit_is_gayest 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They started the violence. I'm okay with us (or better yet, the national guard) finishing it.

That's why they start it. That's why they've always started it. To get a reaction in kind and then use that to justify their actions.

[–]MattTheBlack [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Except the reaction would end with them having no chance to fight back at this point

[–]reddit_is_gayest [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sure, that worked out really good last time right? Hitler won and the communists had no chance to fight back. Everyone lived happily ever after.

[–]Garnox 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you didn't take anything from this thread?

[–]Jack-BrowserMod[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, but you'll have to go back. (1 month vacation)