The hate against the MGTOW community will grow in the future

[Natural Born MGTOW]

I've seen more and more hate blogs popping up against the MGTOW community and the heat will increase the bigger the MGTOW community grows. There are a lot of misconceptions around the philosophy of MGTOW but it's all based on a personal
individual conscious decision. Everyone one of us has his very own reason why becoming a MGTOW. For now they are just taking pot-shots at us but this will change in a not so distant future.

When reading all the nonsense on the blogs I'm sometimes triggered to leave a reply which happened only once concerning MGTOW. The trigger is always the same. I'm getting triggered by stupidity. It was just stronger than me . . . after that I stopped and went MGTOW once again.

I do not fear any confrontation or exchange of opinions because it's mostly a waste of time but from time to time I can not resist. I'm standing strong because none of their arguments have any legs to stand on.

I would like to know how you guys deal with trolls, Feminist, white knights, PUA's manginas etc. Do you never get provoked or triggered. Man I gotta an itchy trigger finger at times.
I would like to see some written examples just to gather more ammunition in case someone needs to get shot down.

When leaving a reply I never use any name calling or personal attacks or other insulting language. It's not because I'm not capable to do so but by using so called political correct speech I don't leave them any point where they can attack me. I 'm not calling women sluts or whores or menginas or other offensive or belittling term because it makes me vulnerable to counter attacks. I never argue with them, They will bring you down on their level and beat you by experience.

Now I used as I said one time a reply and it went like this

"Dude your wasting your time and stop telling other people what to do.

MGTOW's are not weak and whatever shaming tactic or personal attacks you try it will not work.

Let me try to explain it to you

You can’t shame me

You can’t force me

You can’t coerce me

You can’t control me

You can’t manipulate me

You can't corrupt me

You can't compromise me

You . . . can’t . . . do . . . anything!

Now I would like to invite you to let that sink in for a moment.
Have a nice day.

This is just an example how I argued to shot the guy down because he had a book to sell called the head of the household

The bigger the MGTOW community will get, the more resistance from society will build up to counter this phenomena. So prepare yourselves for getting more and more heat from all sides. The shaming and hate will increase towards MGTOW We will encounter some heavy flak


Since I'm not a native English tongue I would like to see some examples of what to reply when dealing with idiots in an authoritative and elegant manner. Maybe it would be of help to other community members as well.

I need more ammo. There are a lot of dudes running around with impaired brain function.

I need more verbal ammo

I don't know what you guys think about that since I'm new here. Looking forward to some of your feedback and moreover for some help to deal with these idiots. In case you had some verbal discussions some place else, please link. I would love to read how you dealt with them.
Cheers

[hellgorama]

Best thing is to ignore and do your own thing. I mean who cares? MGTOW is about individual men focussing on their individual selves and giving less of a shit about everybody else and what they think or do. It shouldn't matter one bit that the entire world thinks MGTOWs are a bunch of basement-dwelling neck-bearded loser rejects with no life and small dicks. If you ain't a "basement-dwelling neck-bearded loser reject with no life and a small dick" and you live a good life (decent job or business or other-means of income, able to spend time and money doing what you love, very low levels of stress and high freedom etc..) then the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD is wrong. Period.

You may be the activist type who wants to reach out to other men (especially younger men). Keep in mind that by doing so you are taking risk as talking about MGTOW and such attracts unwanted attention (especially if you talk about how good your life is). Do so with men who are ready for the advice (like a guy who is going through a bitter painful breakup/divorce) and preferably on a one on one basis. Never discuss it with women. As to posting on other webforums? Well at best you are wasting your time. At worst you will likely get banned.

[Azure Nomad]

Some covert activism can be good, but it has be done with a different goal mindset. This new goal mindset is to put forth arguments not trying to "win" the argument against someone that you know will not yield. But to give enough powerful information for lurkers and those on the fence to explore deeper about how the world really is and not the fake veneer and sloppy paint job that covers the greased wheels underneath of the behemoth.

I have found over time though my actions in real life tend to positively impact other men far greater than what I post on the internet. But a diverse approach is always a good idea to spread awareness, but be careful not to come off as evangelizing mgtow.

As for the insults? It makes ghosting easier, because they are building an archtype of a mgtow that doesn't exist..let them chase false ghosts while I party like it is 1999.

[John Deer]

You can be right or you can be happy.

[Alik Sakharov]

A few MGTOW forums or a few anti MGTOW blogs is a just a teardrop in the ocean of o wake up , coffee , go to work , hate it , i will be rich someday , go home , want to have a gf , go to sleep , wake up , coffee ...

In your lifetime nothing will change .

And i love it .

[John Deer]

You can help men or fight them. If you want to make a difference for some people out there, make a MGTOW vid. Write down what YOU have to say and share it. We maybe MGTOW but we are all different.
...... And, some people do not want to wake up.
Let your good life inspire men. That's all we can do until the next Star Trek and Star Wars reboots kick off again.

[Tangent]

Since I'm not a native English tongue I would like to see some examples of what to reply when dealing with idiots in an authoritative and elegant manner.
Cheers

OK, here is what you write:

forgive english, i am Russia.
i come to study clothing and fashion at American university. i am here little time and i am very hard stress. i am gay also and this very difficult for me, i am very religion person. i never act to be gay with other men before. but after i am in america 6 weeks i am my friend together he is gay also. He was show me American fashion and then we are kiss.
wWe sex together. I never before now am tell my mother about gay because i am very shame. As i fock this American boy it is very good to me but also i am feel so guilty. I feel extreme guilty as I begin orgasm. I feel so guilty that I pick up my telephone and call Mother in Russia. I awaken her. It too late for stopping so I am cumming sex. I am very upset and guilty and crying, so I yell her, "I AM CUM FROM SEX" (in Russia). She say what? I say "I AM CUM FROM SEX" and she say you boy, do not marry American girl, and I say "NO I AM CUM FROM SEX WITH MAN, I AM IN ASS, I CUM IN ASS" and my mother very angry me. She not get scared though.
I hang up phone and am very embarrass. My friend also he is very embarrass. I am guilt and feel very stupid. I wonder, why do I gay with man? But I continue because when it spurt it feel very good in American ass.


HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!! just kidding. that's a famous copypasta from a few years ago.

What you wrote is good. Any form of "I don't need your approval, but thank you for your little opinion" is what I usually do.

[m2s]

Yes and no. You have to look at a global society level on that.

Remember that gynocentrism and the female collective just want one thing: hyperinflate the price of (transactional business) sex. Like marriage and relationships and such...

Because more and more men are going mgtow, the collective aims at increasing the demand. Hence the price will also increase. Sex is about basic economics.
The best thing the collective hence can do is import lots of single males. This is happening in Europe. This is happening in the US.
It's instinctive, it's not a real well-thought out strategy.

Comes in the secondary effects. Chicks and the collective adore violence. Even against themselves. It's what turns them on. With increasing their supply of pleasure-sex they get that need met too.

If the mgtows go neet indeed, get "poor" and don't participate anymore, that is not a big threat. As long as the checks come in. If you increase the supply of males, you also increase the chunk of that supply that will work their ass off and put money into the system.

Put all this together... I don't think in the long run, mgtow won't have a big effect. Sure, they hate us, but not enough since there are other options for them.

[Forever]

I'm expecting "red pilled," "alt-right" and "anti feminist" women defending mgtow. Expecting attention. They will be disappointed.

[Nasir Jones]

Who cares?

I see a lot of people on mgtow channels going back and forth with childish insults... like, why waste your time? Let them waste their time and you keep doing your thing.

[chbedok]

I think OP had a good reply already; What can you do?

Hate MGTOW, rail and rage and rant, but what can you do to stop it? What can you do to stop us from going our own way?

Say what you will, but MGTOW is nothing that can't be stopped, it is the truth taking hold. And it will not be turned aside or reasoned with.

Or, as I like to say it; oh what are you going to do, get the guy who can stop me? what was his name? Michael Mcdoesn'texist?

[Neo]

I rarely if ever bother with debates online. I make a comment and if something stupid is said in response, I move on. At the end of the day, truth only has one shape, you can try to cut it, shape it, slice it and hide it but in the end, it's still there and that speaks for itself.

[NoLifer]

Do your own thing.
Don't do bad things to other people.
And be skillful in 0 fucks given.

Once i told some random girl that i hanged out with (not with her but she was with my friends) i told her i wont marry she was so upset it was hilarious. Since i was cool 0fucksGiven type of guy, noone look at me wierdly but mostly at her.

[Natural Born MGTOW]

Hello everyone

thanks for all your posts and insights. I reflected upon most of your replies and I take your advice and just ignore these comments in the future. I'm sometimes getting triggered. I should reread the Stoic philosophy as Thomas Convenant pointed out to another community member that would maybe a good thing to do. Moreover yeah it's a waste of time and I can invest this time a lot better.

I'm not really an activist I leave that to the MRA which are fighting for men rights although I believe they have been infiltrated a long time ago since they are a movement which MGTOW is not.

And since it's not a movement it can't be infiltrated, hijacked and subverted into controlled opposition, which is what "the powers that be" are normally doing.
MGTOW is only dangerous to all control systems and social indoctrination because there are no hierarchies which can be corrupted and in my opinion this very fact will lead to an increase in hate towards this community. I'm curious about the future we are living in interesting times. We will see what they will come up with to counter MGTOW.
In any case I thank all of you for having taken the time to share your thoughts with me.

[John Deer]

They don't hate Mgtow, they had independant men with options and freedom.Women need men, men don't NEED women.

[Natural Born MGTOW]

They don't hate Mgtow, they had independant men with options and freedom.Women need men, men don't NEED women.

Hello John

isn't a MGTOW an independent men with options and freedom? I'm just nitpicking here.

You can be right or you can be happy.

I think the beauty of MGTOW is that I can be right and happy at the same time. I could care less about being right but I do what feels right to me to do and being happy is a big part of it. It feels extremely good to be a MGTOW to me, I can identify with it's concepts.
Cheers

[John Deer]

Men that aren't MGTOW get mocked for being single and living the good life. I think women dare not utter the word " MGTOW" , as not to cultivate its growth.

Most people hate for the false thrill it provides.
Next to True consciousness, we are drunk and asleep.
Star Trek is way better than Stargate.

[Nuggets]

I don't think it's productive to get involved in online arguments, like some here have said. At least not extensive back and forth. In real life, the best response for me has ALWAYS been, displaying my total apathy. Whenever there's a feminist convo with white knights circle jerking in a frenzy, I slap on an expression that says "this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard". Many a time, feminists have been in the vicinity, looking for attention, babbling about how oppressed they are. It's a powerful statement to act in a way that communicates, "this isn't even on my radar. BOOOORRRING." Yawn, laugh, roll your eyes, smirk like a cocky bro, bro. You won't need to explain or defend yourself because you're not taking it passively, you're actively telling them they're beneath you. Think of Clint Eastwood westerns where he stares down a guy in a bar - no need to logically explain, he just uses his actions to tell the bad guys he is not impressed at all.

If you want to troll them a little, clarification is your best friend - just keep asking them questions, get them more and more specific and they will eventually say something mind-bogglingly dumb, extremist, or contradictory. They will then try to ad hominem you (which means you win anyway), at which point you specifically call it out, then go back to your original clarifications. Get as much seething hatred of men out in the open as you can - then it speaks for itself. The other option is just stats, stats, stats, something I'm trying to get better at. People really do not expect to be hit with hard numbers, because it's a pain to memorize them, it's more convenient to repeat platitudes. If you want to go the stats route, I suggest you have insane amounts of them in your back pocket. Check out some Milo Yiannopoulos lectures and notice how he uses stats to finalize his arguments. Using specific anecdotal examples, or selective news stories is pointless because then you get accused of cherry picking.

But then again, you can't argue results with feminists because their position is always "cuz the patriarchy". There is no POSSIBLE scenario in which feminists would say, "ok, people are being treated equally". If you had 50/50 gender ratios in every sector of society (which is impossible), they would still be bitching about the "legacy" of patriarchy.

[LastPriory]

I haven't read this book in a loooooooooong time but it works.
The gentle art of verbal self defense by Suzette Elgin.

It is always good to turn a tormentors argument against them and
this works great when you are using the work of a female to do it.

[Alik Sakharov]

OK, here is what you write:

forgive english, i am Russia.
i come to study clothing and fashion at American university. i am here little time and i am very hard stress. i am gay also and this very difficult for me, i am very religion person. i never act to be gay with other men before. but after i am in america 6 weeks i am my friend together he is gay also. He was show me American fashion and then we are kiss.
wWe sex together. I never before now am tell my mother about gay because i am very shame. As i fock this American boy it is very good to me but also i am feel so guilty. I feel extreme guilty as I begin orgasm. I feel so guilty that I pick up my telephone and call Mother in Russia. I awaken her. It too late for stopping so I am cumming sex. I am very upset and guilty and crying, so I yell her, "I AM CUM FROM SEX" (in Russia). She say what? I say "I AM CUM FROM SEX" and she say you boy, do not marry American girl, and I say "NO I AM CUM FROM SEX WITH MAN, I AM IN ASS, I CUM IN ASS" and my mother very angry me. She not get scared though.
I hang up phone and am very embarrass. My friend also he is very embarrass. I am guilt and feel very stupid. I wonder, why do I gay with man? But I continue because when it spurt it feel very good in American ass.


HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!! just kidding. that's a famous copypasta from a few years ago.

What you wrote is good. Any form of "I don't need your approval, but thank you for your little opinion" is what I usually do.

Hahahahahaah Tango you got me there i was reading and the thought in my head just strated to grow " the dude is a fag "

Fucking brilliant !