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Bill DiscussionH.R. 622: Repeal of Making American Students Bilingual Act of 2015 (self.ModelUSGov)

justdefiRepublican | Rep. CH-10 (Pittsburgh) | House Clerk が 投稿

To repeal wasteful government spending initiatives that have mandated oversight but have been ignored since their passage.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Repeal of Making American Students Bilingual Act of 2015”.

SECTION 2. FINDINGS AND PROVISIONS

B.107 “Making American Students Bilingual Act of 2015” has an annual appropriation of $6,500,000,000, or roughly 7% of the total Department of Education budget allocation. The Secretary of Education is mandated by law to conduct a study “to measure the effect of this Act on the ability of American students to fluently converse in and write in multiple languages.” Each Secretary of Education since the passage of B.107 has failed to uphold their duty mandated by this law. Whereas Congress has been ignored repeatedly by numerous Secretaries, and whereas the law places significant budget constraints on the Department of Education, B.107 is hereby repealed in its entirety.

This bill was written and sponsored by u/deepfriedstrippers (D).

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[–]VendingMachineKing/r/cmhoc (NDP) 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd like to thank /u/deepfriedstrippers for bringing this to the attention of us all. Some like myself may have been unaware of the lack of reports from the Education Department.

Rather than a repeal, I would instead advocate for the Secretary of Education to do their job and draft a study.

[–]deepfriedstrippersCongressman | Blue Dog | Fmr Sec of Treasury 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you. I have asked for a report and been ignored, so here we are.

[–]WaywardWitIndependent President Emeritus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How exactly do you suggest they put together this "report" within the confines and realities of the sim?

[–]realnyebevanAtlantic Commonwealth Senator | Socialist Party Deputy Gen. Sec. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The report is simply not realistic in terms of the simulation.

[–]elbhech84Republican 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hear, hear! No point in requiring American students to be bilingual.

[–]jogarzDistributist - HoR Member 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Besides improving our economy, national security, diplomacy...

[–]elbhech84Republican 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not saying that there aren't benefits to knowing more than one language, but just because something is helpful doesn't mean it should be required.

[–]jogarzDistributist - HoR Member 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have educational standards in this country for a reason. I think ensuring most students become bilingual is an admirable standard, and certainly not a waste of time.

[–]No_MF_Challenge 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Most students overseas come out of school knowing up to 3 or 4 languages. You're holding our students back by not allowing them to learn more. It's hard to learn a new language as an adult

[–]mrsirofvibeLibertarian Party Secretary 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hear, hear!

[–]elbhech84Republican 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is very beneficial to learn a language as a youth instead of as an adult as it is much easier, and the US should allow such language learning opportunities. I'm simply saying it shouldn't be required of our students. It isn't a necessity to learn a second language.

[–]realnyebevanAtlantic Commonwealth Senator | Socialist Party Deputy Gen. Sec. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The bill does not require students to learn a second language.

[–]tankieroommateSocialist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

We need a multilingual population. Again, reform, not repeal.

[–]DocNedKellyRLP 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Amusingly, this one of the few times you're going to hear a radical socialist in support of reform, no?

I agree entirely.

[–]DoomLexusLaugh at the pee-pee of the pope 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey!!! You're back!!!

I'm so happy :)

[–]realnyebevanAtlantic Commonwealth Senator | Socialist Party Deputy Gen. Sec. 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I disagree with this legislation. While I do think the appropriation is rather large, I would like to see it reduced and will do so with the presidential budget proposal. However, I would like to thank /u/deepfriedstrippers for raising awareness of this issue.

[–]Autarch_SeverianSpeaker of the House 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stole the words out of my mouth.

[–]archener123Independent 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It would be better if American students saw for themselves the benefits and detriments of learning two or more languages, instead of the government mandating bilingualism for the sake of it.

[–]realnyebevanAtlantic Commonwealth Senator | Socialist Party Deputy Gen. Sec. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The government does not mandate bilingualism in the bill. Read the bill.

[–]archener123Independent 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

By "mandating bilingualism" I meant B.107: Making American Students Bilingual Act of 2015.

[–]realnyebevanAtlantic Commonwealth Senator | Socialist Party Deputy Gen. Sec. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The government does not mandate bilingualism in the bill. Read the bill.

[–]archener123Independent 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this bill optional, at least?

[–]NateLooneyTriumvir Emeritus | DX-8 Rep. | Fmr. VPOTUS | Fmr. Libt. Chair 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, but in districts that accept the bill, it is required that the districts make and perform standardized tests for the students to take, which could harmfully affect GPA, making it that much harder for students to get accepted into colleges.

[–]Sly_MemeWestern State Legislator 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

We are Americans and we are an English speaking nation. Learning another language is a good and useful thing to do, it should be encouraged but ultimately English is our national language and there should be no delusions of equality in respect to the languages taught in schools - the English language is the national language and should remain the most important and given the most attention in the education system.

[–]FewbuffaloLibertarian Former Congressman | I don't hide the facts. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

No official language exists at the federal level. Do not act the fool Assemblyman. We are a country of many languages. I will abstain on this bill nevertheless.

[–]Sly_MemeWestern State Legislator 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Where did I claim that English was the official language? Read over my comment again - there's a difference between a national language and an official language. The majority of Americans for the record want an official language of English polling show.

But regardless, we may be a country of "many languages" but admit that the vernacular is English - we're speaking in English now for a reason. Official business is conducted in English. Like it or not, congressman but we are an English speaking country.

[–]FewbuffaloLibertarian Former Congressman | I don't hide the facts. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Por favor, esto no es la verdad, puedo y voy a hablar en español si quiero ahora, aquí mismo.

[–]archener123Independent 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

¿Y si nadie te entiende?

[–]FewbuffaloLibertarian Former Congressman | I don't hide the facts. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No es mi problema.

[–]Ed_SanhEd Mod[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Así es Fewbuffalo! Los norteamericanos no nos pueden dictar en cuál idioma hablamos!

[–]FewbuffaloLibertarian Former Congressman | I don't hide the facts. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No soy americano, soy irlandés mi amigo. De cualquier manera, voy a hablar irlandés o español y yo soy una gran persona para hacerlo!

[–]Ed_SanhEd Mod[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pues, nunca comenté sobre tu nacionalidad. Estaba refriendo a los norteamericanos que escribieron está ley.

[–]FewbuffaloLibertarian Former Congressman | I don't hide the facts. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quisiera aclarar eso para usted. De todos modos, estoy totalmente de acuerdo

[–]Sly_MemeWestern State Legislator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Alright, Ted Cruz.

My point still stands though, the vernacular of the United States is English. It is considered to be the national language. Thus I see no good reason to propagate other languages as being equal to English as the reality is we're an English speaking country.

[–]WaywardWitIndependent President Emeritus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. Ignorance and homogeny are far more important to insulate!

[–]tetrahedron_128kDefected from the Libertarians 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nous sommes un pays d'une seule langue, et c'est l'anglais!

[–]rhenbRepublican 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This bill is in need of reform, not repeal. The most notable reform being that students start learning said language in their first years of schooling on up, not just in the latter half of grade school.

[–]da_drifter0912Distributist | SC-1 Billings 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hear hear!

[–]_Theodore_Good Republicans Always Vote! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Even as a person of mixed race, white and hispanic, I understand that this is an English speaking nation. People who come into this country have to respect our way of life, we don't need to conform to theirs.

[–]HormisdasDistributist | MW Leg. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Plenty of places where French, Spanish, and other languages were already there when the border crossed. It's Anglo-American hard-headedness that demanded one language and no others.

[–]_Theodore_Good Republicans Always Vote! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I'm sure if I went to those places they would expect me to speak French, Spanish and other languages.

[–]Capt1anknotsGSP Representative MW|Omaha|Party Commission 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's funny, historically speaking most of the people who built this country didn't speak English.

[–]_Theodore_Good Republicans Always Vote! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And historically speaking they all had to learn it, which is why we are having this conversation in English.

[–]Capt1anknotsGSP Representative MW|Omaha|Party Commission 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually you're wrong again.There are many and I mean MANY communities throughout the US that have those historical roots and where most of the people don't speak English as a first language. China town in New York is one example. Another would be the Barrios in California. Mandating that people learn English is nothing but bigotry to be honest. Having our students learn second languages opens them up to other cultures and gives them a valuable life long skill. If you can't see that then I feel only pity for you.

[–]_Theodore_Good Republicans Always Vote! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

First of all, don't accuse me of bigotry. If you can't see beyond your own opinion, it would be very hypocritical of you. After all, that is the definition of bigotry. There is no right or wrong answer here.

To quote a man smarter than me:

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

  • Theodore Roosevelt

[–]HormisdasDistributist | MW Leg. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Foutrement non!

Certainly not!

[–]tetrahedron_128kDefected from the Libertarians 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

je suis d'accord

[–]tetrahedron_128kDefected from the Libertarians 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ce projet de loi est une idée horrible!

[–]Capt1anknotsGSP Representative MW|Omaha|Party Commission 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would point out that repeal is drastic. Studies show that students who learn more than one language (especially early on) have a great advantage over ones who do not. However I do think the allocation is quite large. Reform not repeal I say.