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[–]stardust_witch 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (8子コメント)

To quote someone a lot smarter than I:

People holding out for liberalism to win are holding out for an idea that hasn't been politically challenged since the 19th century. Originally all a liberal was was a person who didn't think there should be kings but was still down with class stratification and slavery.

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    [–]thepranavigator 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Either works, let's not be fascist when it comes to grammar

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      [–]AveragePacifist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's short for "someone a lot smarter than I am" in this context, to be pedantic. Which is correct.

      [–]8n2y95Lt 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (14子コメント)

      In all fairness, Spencer believes in non-violent ethnic cleansing. /s

      [–]sexrobot_sexrobot 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Voluntary ethnic cleansing, eh? Reminds me of Mitt Romney's self-deportation idea.

      [–]DeadPresidentJFK 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      There's been forms of "nonviolent" ethic cleansing already developed for decades, that includes birth control, genetic modification of embryos, sterilization, etc. It's basically systemic eugenics, and it started getting big again, lately, especially with transhumanism. What the Nazis did was just the more brutal, direct form of eugenics, a perverse culmination of the preceding eugenics movement that was mostly led by socialists, some who may have been closet White supremacists.

      Planned Parenthood has been often accused of being a eugenicist organization, which is in part factual since its prominent founders were in fact eugenicist and racist. Adolf Hitler was a big fan of them in the '20s.

      But you can't really say this is an enforced program of birth control these days... or maybe enforced through indirect economic pressure, on poor -and mostly POC- people.

      To some extent one could understand the mass-poisoning/biological warfare on entire populations as "nonviolent" as well, since it is a such at micro-scale it is not even noticed. Since there are many closet racists involved in biology science, I'm quite afraid they might get to this point, or attempt to. If you just look at how AIDS has affected gay and Black people for decades...

      [–]sexrobot_sexrobot 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I would argue that sterilizing people is a violent act in the same way that being born a slave is a violent act.

      Also scientific racism and eugenics were mainstream in the 1920s, even required college courses were taught in them. It's not surprising that Sanger teamed up with one of the organizations since she was looking for any support she could get. There is no evidence that her advocating birth control was based on eugenics and plenty of evidence that it was based on her support of women controlling their own reproduction.

      Regardless, Planned Parenthood is not currently supportive of eugenics.

      [–]DeadPresidentJFK 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies, to assist couples who wish to prevent overproduction of offspring and thus to reduce the burdens of charity and taxation for public relief, and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit."

      And other shit like...

      “the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.”

      "Give dysgenic groups [people with “bad genes”] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization."

      Women self-control of their reproduction?

      "Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit for parenthood."

      There's lotsa sick racist quotes coming from her that can be found on the net. Of course, pro-life groups have used it massively to their advantage, but there's stuff that can't be discarded since it is factual.

      PP has changed over the years, I guess.

      [–]anarchistica 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      • Birth control is a form of ethnic cleansing.
      • MLK supported and accepted a reward from a racist.
      • Hitler was a fan of Planned Parenthood.
      • "Economically enforced birth control" has caused POC to only have slightly more children than whites in the US.
      • Closet racists in biology science love lesbians.

      ಠ_ಠ

      [–]DeadPresidentJFK -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      ???

      Did you even do the effort to research on the claims I've written (aside from those I didn't write)? You're pushing hard.

      Quiz question of the day:

      Which notoriously racist POTUS first approved funding for Planned Parenthood?

      [–]anarchistica 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      aside from those I didn't write

      You wrote all of those things.

      Quiz question of the day: Which notoriously racist POTUS first approved funding for Planned Parenthood?

      Quiz question of the day: Which notoriously racist German party banned vivisection, restricted hunting, banned the boiling of living lobsters and outlawed unsedated slaughter?

      ಠ_ಠ

      [–]DeadPresidentJFK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Relevance of Nazis in regards to defense of animal life is...?

      [–]anarchistica 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You are trying to smear PP by making them "guilty by association". I just showed you how utterly pointless that is.

      [–]DeadPresidentJFK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Such as conflating defense of animal life with pro-life policies or struggles? Not a very good comparison, I'd say.

      [–]DeadPresidentJFK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You wrote all of those things.

      Oh, so you wanna start another shitstorm...

      I never, ever wrote that

      (any) Birth control is a form of ethnic cleansing.

      or that

      MLK supported and accepted a reward from a racist (lolwuuut?)

      or that

      Closet racists in biology science love lesbians

      or that

      space aliens created the Chinese as secret human drones to take over the world

      or that

      Goldman Sachs is really a communist front, from the future time-travelling Soviet United Nations...

      Very funny, nice try.

      [–]anarchistica 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I never, ever wrote that

      So someone else wrote the post where you said it?

      "forms of "nonviolent" ethic cleansing (...), that includes birth control"

      MLK supported and accepted a reward from a racist (lolwuuut?)

      He accepted the Margaret Sanger Award. You're too dim to even google those two names together?

      Closet racists in biology science love lesbians

      Aids seems to affect lesbians at a much lower rate for some reason. ಠ_ಠ

      [–]BaronVonMannsechs[🍰] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So did he nazis early on. It's called "the final solution" for a reason. Dude is literally sieg heiling and proposing Nazi policy, but people still want to deny his leanings.

      Anyone who wants to argue on his behalf is a collaborator at this point.

      [–]SlothsAreCoolGuys 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Good to know he's comfortable acknowledging that he is dishonest and holds irrational beliefs.

      [–]Samr_Oskirthr 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      To quote one of my relatives, Big Bill Haywood. "A liberal is the one who leaves the room when a fight breaks out."

      Check him out. He was quite an interesting dude.

      [–]SolidBlues 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Interesting perhaps, but he also had some really bullshit things to say about Emma Goldman while being the USSR's token anarchist.

      [–]sexrobot_sexrobot 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      He's buried at the Kremlin too. Anybody who supported the Bolsheviks after Kronstadt abandoned any anarchist principles they may have previously had.

      [–]komimin 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Why in the fuck is this thread so brigaded by libs and fash?

      [–]mommathecat 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The whole world is on fire about Trumps Muslim ban, and r/anarchism is having it's hourly liberal circlejerk.

      Situation normal!

      [–]jimgagnon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Better watch it: you're channelling your inner Ayn Rand.

      [–]TurboSchnauzer 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (51子コメント)

      I'm not a violent person, but why do I feel an overwhelming urge to hit that little shit wearing the pajamas?

      [–]SpaceCadetJonesLove everyone. Life's an elaborate cosmic joke 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm actually really disappointed this the 2nd highest comment in the thread. We judging whether we should hit people on their appearance now? I'm assuming the photo is just a stockholder of some smug lookin cat, not something they actually said

      [–]dookiebiscuits 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well, nobody said it. It's just a simplistic straw man to fuel the righteous indignation that everybody seems to crave more than ever.

      [–]girl_undone 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Pretty sure that guy volunteered his picture for memes after a model didn't appreciate their image being used. He did a good job.

      [–]mrgermanninja 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (47子コメント)

      That's the anarchist in you. Very few of us here are violent. But world peace and a free society require violence to be achieved.

      [–][deleted] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (18子コメント)

      This isn't 100% accurate, we could bring a cultural revolution with our ideas and then there would be no need for violent revolution.

      [–]the_voice_of_sand 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (17子コメント)

      Revolution can be attained by limiting violence to self-defense, but not pacifism. Disobedience will invite violence from the ones giving the orders.

      [–][deleted] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The problem is how broad a definition a lot of us give to "self defense", even battering an innocent women for simply wearing a flag bracellete and calling it anti-fascism.

      [–]i_like_bikes_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Tim Barry says, "I republicans, I hate democrats, I hate liberals, too. I think pacifists are weak, and violence is wrong, but I go limp for police and fight when it's called for." That sums up a lot.

      [–]sexrobot_sexrobot 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think pacifists are quite admirable if they are engaging in pacifist resistance, but as an anti-fascist political stance it is not likely to be successful.

      [–]Saitama_the_llama -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Eh, I follow the line that violence is necessary sometimes. Whether that makes me violent or not idk.

      [–]mrgermanninja 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh for sure, that's my argument. I don't think that you're a violent person for thinking it's sometimes necessary.

      [–]Aeon_Mortuum 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Is that a changed Voltaire quote?

      [–]Fopenplop 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      it's a changed quote usually misattributed to voltaire

      [–]thunderdragon94 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      As a socialist, it's funny finding anarchists sharing the same meme we are. Can we be friends? Anarchocommunism ftw?

      (Don't hurt me)

      [–]TheExquisiteCorpse& existentialist 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We're all socialists here, comrade.

      [–]d75 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      As an anarchist I consider myself to be a socialist.

      [–]Bigfluffyltail/ L'émergeance de l'État détermine l'apparition des Clastres 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I'm fine with leftcoms tbh, Situationist International and communization theory especially. Leninists no however.

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        [–]Bigfluffyltail/ L'émergeance de l'État détermine l'apparition des Clastres 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Pretty much yeah.

        [–]ellenokBiologial Sex Abolitionist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah we can be friends, just no states, those are for being smashed.

        [–]ZanderichTransancom / Those Anarcho-Punks are Mysterious... 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        left unity my bud

        [–]DeadPresidentJFK 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Is this idiot for real, or that's just visual sarcasm?

        [–]EctiBASH THE FASH 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        "I'm sure Pol Pot had some very good reasons!"

        [–]CrashCourse2012 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Liberal here. But hell to the naw with all that noise! Punch every Nazi in the face!

        [–]joshthecynic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        You have more in common with fascists than you think.

        [–]CrashCourse2012 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Based on?

        [–]joshthecynic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You're both authoritarians. Authoritarians are not my allies, no matter how much they hate Nazis.

        [–]mazer_rack_em 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Sometimes you gotta take what allies you can.

        [–]cajunboy94 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We must tread carefully and calculated if we want to incite violence in us, against them.

        [–]qprzt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Could someone explain to me how to stop an ideology from spreading?

        [–]ptfc1975 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Punch it in the face? If it doesn't work the first time, reapply.

        [–]Quint-V -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        With a lot of exposure and publicity: make sound arguments against it, or repeat lies until people believe them. Whatever suits your agenda, both have been proven to work, though in different contexts.

        E.g. socialism has been portrayed as the most awful thing in the USA and equivalent to communism, which it frankly isn't; see how Europe's incorporation of it resulted in a socialist framework with capitalism; the Nordic Model in particular is a prime example of how successful it can be and is part of what makes Scandinavia so famous for its top-tier livelihood in most indexes concerning human well-being. Meanwhile there is the absence of the idea that, like all other things, there are levels of moderation to be found even in freedom. There is freedom to things, and freedom from things. The latter would include freedom from persecution and discrimination, and Trump has demonstrated discrimination to the point that, IMO, France should consider taking back the Statue of Liberty - even as a gesture.

        [–]AravoidI have no idea what I'm doing 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I feel like a lot of people don't understand freedom of speech properly. You can't have 100% freedom because some parts of it will conflict with the freedom of others. Spreading hate against minorities without any consequences is not what free speech means, yet people keep yelling about it as if it's some kind of free license to bully.

        [–]Tift 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        freedom of speech is an idea of the state.

        It is the idea that the state shouldn't punish you for the things you say, you know unless it is really inconvenient to the state.

        No state no need for freedom of speech because everyone can speak freely and accept the responsibility for their actions. Spread a hateful message and you might have to deal with those you hate.

        A big con of the state is that we take on and act out the ideals of the state to police ourselves into being more co-operative. The debate over p.c. culture and freedom of speech only makes sense when individuals and the state are conflated. Which is a very troubling conflation.

        [–]dr_rentschler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Instead of just describing the thought you disagree with you're taking a label that will for sure include people it shouldn't. All for having a concrete enemy image that you can use to elevate your own persona with. But that's typical for this sub.

        [–]nointerlockingparts -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Liberals have always been the gatekeepers to resistance. The next time you're in a bloc and hear "peaceful protest," turn around and punch that liberal in the face.

        [–]spect3rm3dic 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        So you can go to jail for assaulting a peaceful protester? Great advice dumbass.

        [–]PangaeaGirls 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Why would punching a liberal be helpful in anyway? It would probably just make them never go to a protest again.

        [–]nointerlockingparts -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        My point is that these people are the enemy and you treat them as such.

        What's the point of a liberal protest?

        [–]under2x -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Why is this subreddit so pro-violence? Isn't violence in itself a means of oppression and control over others -- the very thing anarchism is apposed to?

        [–]mypersonnalreader 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think the concensus in this sub is that violence is neither inherently good or bad, authoritarian or liberating, it is merely a means.

        Violence can be used to oppress others or it can be use to free people from oppression.

        [–]thebookofbread 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        As an anarchist I agree with you. Violence over others is hierarchy and should be avoided except in self defense.

        Rape, torture, maiming, violence. these are things we should strive not to replicate, as they are the foundation of a social order that has kept humans in chains for centuries.

        [–]CrashCourse2012 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We aren't allies? Well take a number kid. There are 62 million people who aren't my ally right now. And I am fresh out of tolerance for white supremacists, nazis, and hate spewing rednecks.

        [–]eatabagofdickz -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ban plastic bags and don't use the "n" word and liberals think heaven on earth has been achieved