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[–]woodendolphin 519 ポイント520 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Can you burn your service uniform without a certain element of drama?

[–]_Mr-Skeltal_ 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Not with Dramatic Nazi Chipmunk Prisoner there.

[–]woodendolphin 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not at all comfortable with you using the words "Chipmunk" and "Nazi" in the same sentence. Nor is Alvin, who speaks for both Simon and Theodore.

[–]yo-yo-baggins 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hmmm... I am in the market for a new username.

/u/dramatic_Nazi_Chipmunk_Prisoner has a certain ring to it.

[–]Villiamsburg 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a gfycat URL.

[–]LoudMouth825 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I was really hoping that was going to be a real account...

[–]yo-yo-baggins 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can take it.

I want something fun, and that certainly fits the bill. But there is a problem.

It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. In real life I end up talking about Reddit, someone wants to know my username.....

I am having trouble with the word Nazi in that name. I don't need someone overhearing something or getting the wrong idea in there head 'Three's Company' style.

[–]Pokeputin 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes if you do it by accident

[–]TeamRedundancyTeam 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Come on soldiers, one of you in here must have a good story.

[–]outcast151 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sailor, we used to use lighters to burn the loose strings off our uniforms while in the schooling for my rate(job) I was sitting in class burning my loose strings when the hem of my top caught fire pretty aggressively. Put it out before the instructor noticed though.

[–]merpmerp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember doing that in the smoke pit during A school... Wanted to see if my blouse was really as "flame retardant" as they say, turns out not so much. I only burned the corner though, I still have it and wear it lol.

[–]The_Minstrel_Boy 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I burned my Burger King uniform and started a dramatic grease fire.

[–]HABSolutelyCrAzY 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not when you fought in the European Theater

[–]needasketchASAP 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

what if you're just trying to light a cigarette after drinking a bottle of everclear and spilling half of it down your jacket

[–]detroitvelvetslim 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that called 4am in a neighborhood near Ft. Lewis?

[–]xxkoloblicinxx 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ive got like less than 180 days left in service. My blues wont get burned, but the rest probably will. And the blues are just because I need a suit.

6 years of bullshit. Call this member disillusioned and disgruntled.

[–]Cgn38 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Rip the name tags and go to the army surplus store you will get enough for a good bender dude.

Standard I got the fuck out shit.

[–]xxkoloblicinxx 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ill use the cash to buy weed and burn that instead lol.

[–]Claybeaux68 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely sell your shit. Good money there. Many of us get out disgusted and disillusioned. It never goes away either. Welcome to reality.

[–]aceofspades1217 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll gladly play paintball in your shit

[–]Love_LittleBoo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please record this, I'd imagine they're really hard to burn as they're mostly fire retardant.

Except for the ones that are super combustible, of course. Just wrap a woobie around them maybe.

[–]xxkoloblicinxx 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They actually melt more than burn. Which is actualy terrible if you work with electricity or high heat. I personally work with electricity but wasnt issued a cotton uniform because it's too expensive to supply my career field with them. But most who need them do get cotton uniforms that are flame resistant but burn instead of melt to you flesh.

[–]Love_LittleBoo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not anymore, they're pretty fire retardant.

[–]Cgn38 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm pretty sure they didn't even have uniforms in our prison camps. Like we were gonna issue them. all the pictures I have seen they were wearing civvies with no insignia. Officers I imagine resisted that but where the hell would they get a SS uniform in Texas in 1943?

[–]paukipaul 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

pow's get to keep their uniform and rank in prison, they even have salary.

[–]yortdeblort 804 ポイント805 ポイント  (42子コメント)

Dramatically? Like were there musical numbers involved or just flourishing gestures?

[–]loki2002 333 ポイント334 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They did it on TNT because they know drama.

[–]Lexam 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was Springtime for Hitler!

[–]tcrpgfan 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And Ger-MANY!

[–]CinereousChris 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Winter for Poland and France!

[–]PompeyJon82 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Movie coming 2019

[–]dangerzzzzoneee 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Da Da Land 2019

[–]Spudtron98 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

No no no, it’s Ja Ja Land. Da Da Land is the Russian version.

[–]Therandomfox 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The whole nine yards

[–]Fart__ 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The whole nein yards

[–]TheMasterKey91 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

fuck this whole post omg

[–]ChaosBeast 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you Nazi this coming?

[–]Hurley2121 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did Nazi this coming at all. Check your meals, Mein were Kampf'ed

[–]thisisntevenmyreal 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I imagine them wailing and weeping nude inthe rain

[–]Mechanical_Indian 628 ポイント629 ポイント  (186子コメント)

They were in a prison camp in an enemy country surrounded by American soldiers with guns. I think in that situation you do whatever you can to distance yourself from war crimes regardless of how much you might have supported the thing in the past when you were free and had the full support of your own government.

[–]ChornWork2 341 ポイント342 ポイント  (35子コメント)

by the same token, seeing the victims of a horrendous crime is not remotely comparable to going along with policies that perpetuate the crime.

I'm sure for some it was a genuine response. Most of them were likely drafted into the war...

[–]dusmeyedin 238 ポイント239 ポイント  (7子コメント)

There was a German pilot, Bertie Trautman (?) who was interned in the UK during the war and was shown newsreel footage of the liberation of the camps. They had photographs of the Germans as they were shown this and he had his hands over his face in horror.

After the war, he decided to stay in the UK, given that his family were all dead. He eventually became goalkeeper for Manchester United Manchester City football team, dramatically helping them win during a match in which he broke his neck and kept playing.

He died not too long ago, well loved by his adoptive countrymen.

[–]not_the_droids 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He played for Manchester City, not United.

[–]ScholarOfTwilight 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was it by the sea, or was this strictly basement business? cue annoying musical sigh

[–]dusmeyedin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, I'll make that correction, as it's a rather massive error!

[–]Wild_Marker 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (1子コメント)

broke his neck and kept playing.

Nazi Zombie Footballer, coming to theaters this summer.

[–]beachedwhale1945 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of the Axis combatants did that for various reasons. Mitsuo Fuchida, the on-scene commander at Pearl Harbor, immigrated to the US not long after the war.

[–]patronix 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just read his whole biography, truly hell of a career!

[–]Mhoram_antiray 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Certainly. And even those not drafted might have been innocent. Propaganda is a mighty tool. Telling people "the polish are coming" and are "going to kill your families" might well persuade many to fight.

It wasn't apparent what was going on early in the war. You couldn't look it up like we can nowadays.

Many people can't even fathom how isolated you were, being out just 10km.

Radio? Rarely. Newspapers? Propaganda. Word of mouth? Well, they also only had Newspapers.

I bet a lot of people were didn't even know about the camps until way after the war. One thing is for sure though: The higher ups are not innocent, no matter how much they claim to be. Thankfully most of them got what they deserved.

Sadly, most other people didn't get what they deserve. A life without war and atrocities, being prosecuted for your race/religion and basic things like not being burned to a crisp in the firestorms caused by allied bombing raids.

[–]marmorset 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (3子コメント)

My father-in-law fought in Germany and was stationed there after the war. He said at first the German citizens all denied knowing anything about the concentrations camps, but once you got to know them they'd tell you it was done because "you don't know what the Jews were like."

There were villages a short walk from some of the camps, even though the Germans weren't all Nazis, they knew what was happening.

[–]ComingSouth 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Many people knew, especially the ones living in villages close to the camps ("hey what's all this nasty ash doing floating into town from that military camp over there?"), but certainly not all Germans knew.

[–]electricalnoise 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This so much. We kinda take for granted how easy it is to communicate to large numbers and over great distances these days. If it wasn't in the paper or on the radio, it didn't exist outside of a smallish radius from where it was happening.

[–]beachedwhale1945 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if they knew and objected to it, what could they do? Civilians fighting a modern military rarely succeeds, and even those who had the capability of assassinating Hitler could not, though a couple attempts came very close.

[–]ElectrocutionSurvivr 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except the atrocities of the nazi regime were not limited to the concentration camps. Nor were they limited to the SS.

This is the clean Wehrmacht myth expanded on a societal level. The entire population was not culpable, but the culpable existed in all parts of the population. To say that the atrocities were committed by a narrow group at the top is not accurate.

[–]No_Cute_Pseudonym 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I highly recommend the 2014 German comedy film (never thought I'd use the phrase "German comedy" unironically) Guess Who's Back, in which Hitler suddenly finds himself in modern-day Berlin. Besides being frighteningly prescient of things that would come to pass shortly thereafter, its closing monologue resounds strongly.

 

To paraphrase it, how can we judge a leader who does or orders monstrous things without equally judging the populace who elected him even after he laid bare his monstrous intentions?

[–]Luno70 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thought provoking movie as it blends fiction and documentary by letting Hitler interact with unsuspecting Germans in the street some of them not able to hide they are closet Nazis. Great movie.

[–]ChornWork2 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Well, that also sounds a little deferential... I have no idea where the proportion lies, but there was certainly a non-trivial portion of ordinary Germans who were aware of, let alone supported, Nazi policies and who bear moral responsibility. Sure there was lots of propaganda, but it less about covering-up jews/others being targeted and more about how targeting jews/others was justified... and its not like the Nazi regime was in power for generations, how many years did they control the propaganda? Certainly less than 10 years -- folks had a lot more life experience than that.

And Mein Kamph was available for all to read...

All for discussing Allied war crimes, but that discussion really has no place as a mitigant to others' responsibility towards their own war crimes.

[–]electricalnoise 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I feel like while a decent portion did support the policies, they likely wouldn't have if they'd truly known where they were headed and the horrors they would create. We can look back at history and see it clearly, but at the time they weren't expecting Adolf Hitler to become the monster he did. That was largely unprecedented.

[–]ChornWork2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, consequences, including criminal ones, attach to actions & decisions even if the outcomes weren't intended. Particularly the case when there they occurred over time, and attempts weren't made to reverse course.

Far from a perfect analogy, but claiming typically self-defense isn't valid unless (i) you had clean hands all along or (ii) after playing a role in instigating/contributing, you attempted to withdraw. Similar concept applies to accessory/abet a criminal action. (at least in common law derivative nations)

[–]dreadmontonnnnn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say that his rhetoric was pretty straight forward... But I agree that it is a complicated scenario, it has to be as millions of people were involved. Many different stories.

[–]L-ot-O-MO 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The other thing to remember is that nearly the same stories were told during WWI to drum up support against Germany. British secret intelligence had released stories about the Germans committing atrocities to get other countries to support them and to demoralize the Germans. So just because a soldier had heard that his country was doing something that disturbing doesn't mean he would believe it, nor would he have been wrong not to. Several allies took longer to join in than they would have because of Britain's Cry Wolf initiative.

However, after the true nature of the evil was seen, I'm sure many of the prisoners realized the cause they were fighting for was not a good one.

[–]lionseatcake 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People can "look things up" these days too, and still think all muslims are coming over to our country to bomb us and convert us. People are shortsighted and eager to follow the single file line.

[–]Reapercore 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Innocent/clean werhmacht is a myth...

[–]AOEUD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Certainly. And even those not drafted might have been innocent. Propaganda is a mighty tool. Telling people "the polish are coming" and are "going to kill your families" might well persuade many to fight.

I'm sure a lot signed up just for the paycheque.

[–]kspi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Check out the Milgram experiment. He's a psychologist that did a study about Nazi officers in WW2 committing horrible things because they were simply ordered too. It's really fascinating how people will do things just because they're told they must continue.

[–]ChornWork2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting, thanks for suggesting. Think have seen a few examples in the past (maybe even this one, its been a long time since looked at anything), and I've always thought the implications are too dismissive of moral culpability for wrong. But I'll take a read through, looks interesting.

I certainly think far more people would commit a wrong when faced with a hard choice (either hard b/c compelled, or even just hard to overcome bias of going along with what seems expected) over a discrete uninterrupted period. But as human beings I think we morality of action more comes out of reflection on past conduct & altering behavior versus deciding appropriately in relatively novel circumstance. Just one man's opinion, never looked into in any meaningful sense.

In pretty much every dark period in human history there are examples of extreme courage/principled behavior, even if there dire consequences for many/most demonstrating them. Consequences matter, and in extreme situations while we should be aware of the overall situation, I also don't think we should be deferential for deliberate vile conduct.

[–]Seen_Unseen 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what kind of bothered me always with the argument that soldiers but also civilians didn't know what was going on. There is a video of a death camp where the locals were invited as well military to watch what went on there and were forced to watch a movie. Imagine living in that area and the chimneys are lighted up again. It must have smelt like death constantly with what went on there and they had no clue? How about those millions that were transported towards the prison camps. Those who rounded up the jews and others, those who saw this happen, those who put them on trucks and then trains had no clue what was going on?

I don't know, I find it all rather hard to believe. I prefer to think that they didn't want to know what was going on. They may have known, but rather ignored the fact what went on or preferred to put it on "they were just following their leaders".

[–]OldEcho 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People suspected but didn't want to really know.

And seeing their policies actually carried out took it from, perhaps, an arguable philosophy to a clearly evident evil.

[–]Incontinentiabutts 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (129子コメント)

Most German soldiers were like most allied soldiers. Just soldiers. They were probably genuinely disgusted

[–]CinereousChris 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh. I don't think the Clean Wehermacht idea has much credibility to it's name.

[–]Incontinentiabutts 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not really trying to pick hairs. Yes the Germans committed unspeakable atrocities.

But the Germans in pow camps being upset by what they heard about the concentration camps makes sense. They were just soldiers. Like in any other war in history. The people in college troll resort to violence to control people. Doesn't make them any different as far as soldiers go.

We systematically bombed civilian locations and shot spies and prisoners. It's not necessarily equal but soldiers have been pretty much the same since the beginning of war

[–]MonsieurMeursault 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (116子コメント)

They actively took part in anti-"partisan" operations and those who refused to carry on massacres were not punished.

[–]if-loop 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

And yet, people (including soldiers) were punished (even executed) for Wehrkraftzersetzung.

The idea that every average German soldier could have just said "no" is just as wrong as the notion that the Wehrmacht was completely clean.

Germans didn't just turn to monsters for a few years and then back to normal again. It's complicated. Literally.

[–]Incontinentiabutts 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (104子コメント)

Allied soldiers did the same things. Civilians were killed, prisoners executed. Doesn't change the fact that most German soldiers were just young men who either signed up, or got conscripted to join the army. It's well documented how war and violence turn people who are otherwise good into monsters.

[–]MonsieurMeursault 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (101子コメント)

The scale and the systematic nature of the atrocity perpetrated by the SS and the German armed forces are nowhere comparable to what the allies did. That's not a matter for debate.

[–]plainarguments 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (47子コメント)

It's that what you would say to someone who survived the firebombing of Dresden or the nuke at Hiroshima?

There is evil on both sides in every war. Both sides killed civilians, and lots of them. Arguing that one side wasnt as bad as the other is stupid and pointless

[–]Sniper_Brosef 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Everyone did the bombings. Not everyone rounded up specific cultures to eradicate them. What's next? Everyone took lives so they're all equally evil?

[–]MonsieurMeursault 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I dare you to say that shit in Russia or Belarus, or to a Jewish survivor.

The Axis powers in Europe alone nearly wiped out entire ethnicities ffs! They had literal death camps and routinely executed civilians and POW for no military reason.

[–]Rutawitz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This site will sympathize with the nazis if it means discrediting America

[–]GarrusAtreides 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One side killed civilians because it wanted to kill civilians, the other side killed civilians to stop the former from killing any more civilians. A man who murders people for fun and a man who killed in self-defense have both killed another person. Would you argue that both men are equally evil?

[–]malvoliosf 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

[Is] that what you would say to someone who survived the firebombing of Dresden or the nuke at Hiroshima?

No, I would say, "Each death at Hiroshima probably saved 100 Japanese lives. The devastation of the city would have been the outcome for every square meter of Japanese soil had the Allies need to rely on conventional weapons to end the war."

There is evil on both sides in every war.

A vacuous remark. Martin Luther King was an adulterer; Charles Manson was not. Is there any question which was the better man?

Arguing that one side wasnt was as bad as the other is stupid and pointless

FTFY.

[–]Ceres_Benzedrine 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Don't even look at WWII, look at Vietnam. Plenty of innocent people drafted or joined o fight for America did disgusting things that they would have never done if they weren't told to and that it was okay to do. The German soldiers were told what they were doing was okay and justified.

[–]MonsieurMeursault 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Next time you'll say that a bunch of robbers killing a single person is comparable to Nazi atrocities.

[–]Ceres_Benzedrine 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not saying they are equal, I'm saying there is evil on both sides. Obviously genocide is worse than bombing a city of civilians, but it's not justifiable to bomb civilians because their nation is commiting genocide.

[–]MonsieurMeursault 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes but the Axis had much more evils than the other side. Most of the Allied and Soviet crimes were collateral damage and unchecked troop misbehaviour. Those who were explicitly ordered still pale in comparison to German war crimes.

[–]JManRomania 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

are nowhere comparable to what the allies did. That's not a matter for debate.

When we're talking about the Soviets, it sure as fuck is.

They're the ones who agreed with the Nazis to split Poland right down the middle.

They're the ones who let Warsaw burn, and the Rising fail, so that the Red Army could have all the glory, and their subsequent occupation of Poland could be easier.

They had Gulags up and running before the Final Solution was even planned on paper.

Don't tell me you haven't heard about the Purges?

Seriously?

[–]Mechanical_Indian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Death camps weren't the only despicable part about the holocaust. Even if they didn't know about the murders, every German knew about the years of anti Semitic policies. They knew about prison camps even if they didn't know about murder, they knew about forced relocation, they knew about the government confiscating all property and businesses from Jews, they knew that Jews were banned from many public spaces, they heard propoganda dehumanizing the Jews as the enemy of the people, they witnessed or heard rumors about people being disappeared, they knew violence against Jews was encouraged, they knew that turning in people in hiding would be rewarded, they knew what the consequences were for hiding or helping Jews, they heard rumors, they heard gunshots, they knew something was wrong.

Not all Germans or even soldiers were horrible people. Some tried to resist. Some tried to help others. But this idea that large chunks of the population and military didn't know anything horrible was happening is bullshit.

[–]anonuisance 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That they recognized war crimes when they saw them is good enough for me.

[–]8ii8 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay sure but we need to go after their families and use lots of torture.

[–]ElMachoGrande 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may have played a part, but I also think that most Germans were as disgusted by the atrocities as the rest of the world, possibly more, as they had been tricked into participating.

I'm pretty sure that, for the vast majority, it was a very genuine reaction.

[–]ShadowFox2020 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And then weren't most of them released into the South after the war? Where they integrated with the Southern culture?

[–]tmundt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know that many of the Germans captured in Africa were "imprisoned" in Texas due to the similar climate. From their accounts, many fell in love with the area and people and returned after the war.

[–]ShadowFox2020 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ya I am curious on how the soldiers then developed their "views" with the locals in that area. Because I mean didn't they have similar views on white nationalists? Serious question

[–]aceofspades1217 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I actually think you have it wrong. The nazis figured out pretty quick that they couldnt have common soldiers be committing war crimes because it literally made them go insane. Executing Jews and Russians killed their moral. The concentration camps were a much more "civilized" way to deal with the "problem" hence being a much more elegant "final solution". The Nazi insulated the Wehrmacht soldiers and German society from the solution. These soldiers were certainly genuinely shocked and appalled. Even if some had committed war crimes in the beginning before the nazis got their shit together that half a decade ago.

[–]Mechanical_Indian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Death camps weren't the only despicable part about the holocaust. Even if they didn't know about the murders, every German knew about the years of anti Semitic policies. They knew about prison camps even if they didn't know about murder, they knew about forced relocation, they knew about the government confiscating all property and businesses from Jews, they knew that Jews were banned from many public spaces, they heard propoganda dehumanizing the Jews as the enemy of the people, they witnessed or heard rumors about people being disappeared, they knew violence against Jews was encouraged, they knew that turning in people in hiding would be rewarded, they knew what the consequences were for hiding or helping Jews, they heard rumors, they heard gunshots, they knew something was wrong.

Not all Germans or even soldiers were horrible people. Some tried to resist. Some tried to help others. But this idea that large chunks of the population and military didn't know anything horrible was happening is bullshit.

[–]loztriforce 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's interesting, the part where some Germans offered to fight the Japanese.
A Nazi POW vowing allegiance to the US and going off to fight the Japanese, then, say, he kicks some serious ass? That's a good plot for a movie.

[–]nilok1 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kind of like Steiglitz in Inglorius Basterds. Except he stayed in Europe and he was captured by the Germans.

[–]jrm2007 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Depending upon when they went to school, they could have been firmly indoctrinated with serious antisemitism. I wonder what they thought the policy towards people who were so vilified should have been? Did they really think that Germany was going to help create a Jewish homeland or something?

Moreover, the thesis of Goldhagen's book, Hitler's Willing Executioners was that many ordinary Germans, not just SS, participated in mass murder of civilians.

Maybe these Germans soldiers had not seen murder but again, if they were taught to hate, why would they be so shocked that such hatred actually was concretely expressed?

[–]sayurisatoru 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Under that guise of 'many ordinary Germans' it still was a speck on the entire number of German civilians.

And, for those humans to be honest, there is a large barrier from imagined reality and seeing reality.

Whether the citizens thought they just were being deported or the ones who knew they were going to be slaves or just outright die, there is still a neurological disassociation with humans.

While it may be too modern of an example, take different reactions from people with just headlines of a murder or a terrorist attack and compare them to reactions from people who watched the raw footage of it.

[–]Wrinklestiltskin 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (36子コメント)

I always show this image of German POWs reacting to footage of concentration camps. I often see people refer to German infantry from WWII in such despicable, dehumanizing ways. They incorrectly believe that the common German soldier and sometimes citizen fully understood and condoned the Holocaust. That simply is not true. They were merely people fighting for their country and people.

For anyone wanting more info on this photograph, here is an article about it.

[–]OiNihilism 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Look at that skeptical motherfucker on the right.

[–]ManWithYourPlan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude on the far left is just happy to be there (looking at the camera).

"Alright, when's lunch boys?"

[–]HoneyBadgerPainSauce 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guy in the back, hiding a laugh.

[–]MaddieBox 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yea even for me as a Jew i find it sad people think all Germans were horrible nazis , even till this day as I live in Israel I hear stupid shit like "Germans are still nazis in heart" and a lot of more stupid shut where I want to punch the person, it's the same generalization as "all Muslims are terrorists", "all black people are criminals" and all of the other bullshit I hear, it's truly just sad, especially when I hear here people saying that all Germans are nazis because of how absurd it is, and how stupid it is and how they are judging people based in the past.

[–]JooJoona 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. And it's easier for some groups of people to get away with being discriminatory than others. For example a black person being discriminatory towards white people, jews towards Germans or women towards men is less likely to get called out than if it were the other way around.

[–]ElMachoGrande 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's people like you who makes me go "...and not all israelis are bad.", even though I'm firmly on the Palestinian side in that conflict. Even as I despise Israeli foreign policies and actions, I realize that there are many who are just caught up in what their country is doing, and don't agree with it. Nations does bad things, people does bad things, but that doesn't mean that every person in the nation did those bad things.

[–]bardghost_Isu 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something I say to a lot of people is don't blame the citizens of a country for the issues (unless they are directing that issue), you should blame the leaders who think they have a right to play games with every bodies lives just for a little bit more recognition.

[–]MaddieBox 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I honestly don't care about the conflict in my eyes it's like 2 big babies fighting over a toy, I understand why each side does their action, the Palestinians want to get their country and the Israelis want to protect their country (I won't really get into it because I really hate to talk about it). And I respect your opinion while I may or may not agree with it I won't try to convince you that's their wrong and were right or something like that, the only things that bother be about people outside of these 2 countries who take sides is that must of them don't actually know how thugs are looking here, the media in the recent years have put Israel with a very bad name and mainly because certain news sites hide stuff from the people around the world, so I just hope you choose to pick the Palestine side while fully knowing how things are looking here and not basing it purely out of sites that BBC which are known to put Israel with a bad name, things get are very complicated and both sides have reasons, I personally thing both sides are right but at the same time are wrong, a big waste of time and effort in my eye, I just wish for this mess to end so both sides can live without fear.

[–]Wrinklestiltskin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

things are very complicated and both sides have reasons, I personally think both sides are right but at the same time are wrong, a big waste of time and effort in my eye, I just wish for this mess to end so both sides can live without fear.

I just wanted to say as an American who's tried to sift through the BS in the media and come to an educated, rational conclusion, I share your sentiment completely.

I have been appalled by some of the actions of both of your countries and have grown to distrust and resent your governments, but I also distrust and resent my own government (under Bush, Obama, and especially now under Trump). I couldn't agree more with your statement of blaming a nation's government, not the general population. Both of your countries, my country, practically every country carries out morally reprehensible actions and it's always the innocent civilians who take the punishment.

I always try to urge people to consider the fact that it's another human being on the other end. Our governments try to dehumanize 'the enemy' with propaganda and media manipulation, which generally includes civilians. That's where the hate of other countries' civilian populations comes from. We all have to try to reverse that bias.

[–]Cyrotek 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is especially funny if they call people Nazis whose parents weren't even alive at that time.

I just have to facepalm every time someone calls me a Nazi just because he noticed where I am from. Okay, that happens rarely nowadays and I honestly don't really care about it because of how stupid it is, but, still.

[–]CodeMonkey24 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When dealing with conflicts between nations, people often have trouble distinguishing between the policies of the nation's leadership, and the people forced to live under those policies. The two often become synonymous. If you know someone who has that kind of opinion, and they're not batshit crazy, try asking them if a common stereotype about their ethnicity applies. It might be enough to make them rethink their position if they're capable of such change.

[–]HarbingerME2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why I always felt bad for the Wehrmacht. They were just regular people who got conscripted into the army. Then they got weaved in with the SS

[–]SAcholo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost as if they were SUPPOSED to feel sad and cry. Like as if they were being held as prisoner of war..

[–]panzerkampfwagen115 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah................ the Heer was responsible for a lot of killings.

[–]manwithbabyhands 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not very well known, but there was an SS Judge named Georg Konrad Morgen. His job during the war was to prosecute corruption within the SS - as ridiculous as that sounds. He testified extensively at the Nuremburg trials because he had gathered a lot of evidence during the war. If you read his Nuremburg testimony its fascinating because it reveals how secretive they were about the extermination camps - because even in Nazi Germany that would have horrified most people. It was also technically illegal, but since the orders were coming straight from Hitler, Morgen was unable to prosecute camp officers for the murders.

[–]Meior 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure this was the reaction from some troops. However, read this comment.

[–]potatototot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What about crystal night? It was impossible to not see Jewish stores getting destroyed and other escalations of "the Jew problem". For those from Norway check out the NRK podcast about Einstein. There was strong anti- semitism in Europe. For instance discussions of the employers if they should employ Einstein because of the bad manner and greediness of Jews.

[–]Wrinklestiltskin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most people did not know the extent of the cruelty. Also, people fell 'in line' out of fear. I'm not saying that justifies the racism at all though.

[–]SmileyFaceInk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know if you've seen Inglourious Basterds, but in a way. it kind of humanizes them.

[–]THISisnotmyfirstTIME 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have a story! I also have a torn off patch and some Epaulets. TL;DR A Nazi taught my grandfather to shoot.

When my grandfather was a kid he lived on a farm and the adjacent farm housed some German POWs. My great grandmother would cook for them and send my grandfather over with the food. He said they all seemed to be in good health and treated well. The officers had a bit more privileges he said. I get the impression that they just wanted the hell out of dodge. Well, my grandfather made friends with one of the officers who was a decorated marksman. So, him being who he was would sneak his fathers rifle out and the officer taught him how to shoot. (Yes, I know, it's hard to believe but this was on a backwoods southern farm and nobody probably batted too much of eye at a kid and a one shot rifle.)

Every time he passed another level of marksmanship, the officer would give him an epaulet. I researched them and it's true, they match up. 1,2,3,4.

He went into the military and has many marksmanship ribbons.

EDIT for clarification: From what I understand it was just a handful of men, may have slept in the barn, worked the fields and everyone stayed pretty much tight lipped about it.

[–]bolanrox 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

there were many cases of that especially in the Midwest, that had a strong population of German Americans already.

[–]THISisnotmyfirstTIME 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've also seen that map before out of curiosity from finding those things after he (grandfather) passed and thankfully having family still alive to confirm. But what I find really interesting is that it seems like the highest density of those camps are areas where our space/ aeronautics research were born and are located. von Braun is a pretty big name in an area close to where I live.

[–]gorgamin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Burning anything by HUGO BOSS is dramatic.

[–]marcuschookt 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Modern German Redditor soldiers would question the validity of the Americans' claims and report for biased political shitpost

[–]Miotoss 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (85子コメント)

Most german soldiers werent evil. They were just people drafted into the military. It was the Nazi party and SS that were responsible for most of the horrible shit. It wasent regular soldiers at the concentration camps, but SS brigades.

[–]ObamaBigBlackCaucus 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (15子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht

In 2011, the Freiburg military historian Wolfram Wette called the "clean Wehrmacht" thesis a "collective perjury". After the return of former Wehrmacht documents by the Western Allies to the Federal Republic of Germany, it became clear through their evaluation that it was not possible to sustain the myth any longer. Today, the extensive involvement of the Wehrmacht in numerous Nazi crimes is documented, such as the Commissar Order. While advocates of the thesis of a "clean Wehrmacht" were attempting to describe the Wehrmacht as independent of the Nazi ideology, and denying their war crimes or trying to put individual cases into perspective, more recent historical research from the 1980s and 1990s based on witness statements, court documents, letters from the front, personal diaries and other documents demonstrates the immediate and systematic involvement of the armed forces in many massacres and war crimes, especially in Eastern and Southeastern Europe, and the Holocaust

[–]Wookimonster 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I keep seeing this posted whenever someone says that an average soldier may not have been aware of the holocaust. While the Wehrmacht was definitely not clean, over the course of the war more than 10 million soldiers were part of it. There must certainly at least have been one soldier didn't commit any war crimes. Even the SS started using conscripts at some point.

[–]jnicholass 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Nah, it's easier for my conscience to condemn the whole group of 10 million individuals. /s

On a serious note, generalizations are bad. Both sides of this discussion would like you to believe that the Werhmacht was either 100% innocent or evil, when in reality, it was likely a mixture of both. Tends to happen when you have millions of people in a single group.

[–]ILickToilets 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You want my take on it? Here goes:

When I try to answer this question, I think of the fact that something somewhat similar is happening in US prisons.

  • People are often sentenced to prison for small, non-violent crimes (drugs, failing to pay child support...).
  • Additionally, the justice system is often a travesty as most convicts never get a proper defense that ensures a fair trial.
  • Prisoners can be forced to perform labor. Some of that labor is used by the prisons to turn a profit, and sometimes that labor is pointless (like digging trenches then filling them up).
  • Prisoners can be detained in inhumane, unsanitary conditions.
  • Prisoners can easily be abused by guards and often have little recourse when that happens.
  • Prisoners can be raped.
  • Prisoners can be murdered.

Anyway, I realize it's not as bad as what happened in Nazi concentration camps, but there are similarities that should horrify us (just like we were horrified when it happened to the people in concentration camps) and it should make us ACT against this system (beyond merely complaining about it on the internet once in a blue moon). The bottom line is that people in prison are often being abused and have their human rights violated, and many don't even deserve to be incarcerated to begin with (and even those who deserve to be locked up don't deserve to be abused, although this last opinion might differ depending on who you ask).

Yet we don't act. Why?

For the sake of discussion, we can try to imagine that one day in the future a strong military power decides that this inhumane treatment of convicts is criminal and decides to intervene to save them. What will we tell them when they ask us "How come none of you did anything about it? How come police officers didn't quit their jobs instead of being part of this, if they were against it? How come the people living near prisons just went about their daily lives, ignoring the abuse happening behind these walls? How can you say you didn't know?"

Well, I can tell you that the answers we'll give will apply to the Germans during WWII. Here are a few:

  • "I didn't really care because these people negatively affected society in the first place (A common thought about Jews in Germany during WWII)."
  • "What could I do? Storm a guarded prison by myself to free them?"
  • "I had enough problems of my own, like working all day to feed my kids and trying every day not to lose my job. I just didn't have the time to worry about those people."
  • "Even if I took part in a protest, the government wouldn't listen. The government never listens."
  • "I didn't want to believe the abuse was so bad, I told myself those were isolated incidents or exaggerations."
  • "As a police officer I didn't like the way prisoners were treated, but they had to be kept off the streets. Besides, it wasn't me sentencing these people or guarding the prisons."
  • "When they imprisoned my neighbor, I didn't think he'd be abused. I thought he'd serve his time comfortably."
  • "I thought only rapists and murders got abused."

The point is, that's just what happens in situations like this. We distance ourselves from the injustice that is happening, we tell ourselves we're powerless to do anything or that it's not our place to intervene, we convince ourselves that "it's not that bad" or that "they deserve it on some level", and even when we take part in it and facilitate it we tell ourselves that we had no choice.

But if prisoners were suddenly "saved" by an powerful armed force who told us "This is very, very wrong" and we were brutally confronted by what goes on in prisons (like seeing actual footage of abuse with our own eyes), we'd be horrified... Just like the Germans when they were shown footage of these things.

The explanations to the Germans' behavior lie under our very noses: We are doing the exact same thing today and we just need to reflect on our own inaction to understand the inaction of the Germans.

With that said, please note that I am not criticizing people for not doing anything about abuse in prison. I think that this apathy is just normal human behavior when facing injustices that seem much bigger than our own individual selves.

And yes, there were exceptions - Germans who tried to protect Jews for instance, but these were exceptional actions. Those people did something amazing by breaking free of these apathetic mental processes and even risking their lives helping others, but I don't think it's fair to hold everyone to that standard and expect everybody to be exceptional like this. We're just human, we are flawed and weak. Those of us who have the fortitude to go out of their way to do the right thing are often lucky for having that ability.

Also no part of my post is meant to defend or justify the holocaust. I'm just trying to offer an explanation for Germans who turned a blind eye to it. If you want to know such things as why an SS soldier would personally torture a prisoner, or what drives a man to pull the lever that will release deadly gas in a room full of people, the explanation isn't in this post.

And by the way, if some people don't think that abuse in modern prisons is comparable enough to concentration camps, then think of Gitmo and ask yourself why you didn't do anything about that. Gitmo was in many ways a modern day concentration camp with torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners. Even if most prisoners there were terrorists, many were innocent and it could also be argued that many of the "terrorists" were only people trying to defend their country from what they perceived as an invading force who threatened their families (which morally is a bit different from terrorists who intentionally target and kill civilians, I think).

How many people actually did anything significant, at great personal cost, to put an end to Gitmo? I mean doing something beyond posting against it on Facebook and taking part in a few peaceful protests in the streets? And why didn't they do more? Answer that question and you'll have the answer why so many Germans acted like the Holocaust wasn't happening.

If anyone still doesn't think that modern prisons or Gitmo are a good comparison in any way, I'm not going to argue with you. My point isn't to convince anyone that Prisons/Gitmo are like Auschwitz. No, my point is that if you want to understand why most Germans didn't act against the Holocaust, just try finding examples of contemporary injustices and human rights abuses you aren't acting against (preferably incidences occurring close to you), and think of why you aren't acting (or doing more). I happen to think the comparison to prisons/Gitmo works for that purpose, and some people will agree with me and some won't. That's fine, if that's the case I'm just sorry I can't come up with a comparison that would better satisfy you and would help you understand the behavior of the Germans.

[–]TehSoup 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have to say, that was beautifully written. Especially for someone who partakes in the licking of toilets.

[–]ILickToilets 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you, I hope one day to write something as eloquent about the psychology behind licking toilets, and especially why some of the Germans of WWII did it.

But seriously though, I'm glad to hear that my post was appreciated!

[–]marmorset 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TL,DR People do shitty things and no one wants to talk about it.

[–]napoleonsolo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The original comment about the clean Wehrmacht myth didn't say anything about "100%".

[–]jnicholass 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trust me, this isn't the first thread I've seen someone get shit on for insinuating the German army wasn't totally evil.

Usually a lot of "stop defending Nazi's" in those threads.

[–]napoleonsolo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not trying to be snarky, but when you point out they weren't totally evil in response to a post that points out "the extensive involvement of the Wehrmacht in numerous Nazi crimes", it would look like you're defending them. I'm sure you've run into people talking about"100%", but I wouldn't bring it up unless that was explicitly mentioned.

[–]Plugawy_Nedznik 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The myth of the Clean Wehrmacht (German: Saubere Wehrmacht) or Clean Wehrmacht legend (Legende von der sauberen Wehrmacht) is a term describing the controversial belief that the armed forces of Nazi Germany during World War II were largely unconnected to atrocities the regime committed and that they were equal to Allied armed forces in observing the customary rules of war.

Ah, my little friend "And". How much we can achieve working together.

[–]Kirbyoto 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both of those statements are individually untrue. However, the two of them together form the wholly untrue Saubere Wehrmacht belief.

Simple logic.

[–]Jagdgeschwader 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wehrmacht consisted of >20 million people.

Like OP said, most German soldiers weren't evil.

[–]Boomerkuwanga 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is nonsense. Plenty of wehrmacht were enthusiastic supporters of the atrocities. They weren't balls deep in it like the SS, but the regular german army comitted plenty of it's own atrocities during the war. The idea that they were all just "regular joes, brainwashed or drafted" is utter fiction.

[–]HighestLevelRabbit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As with most wars. Innocent soldiers on each side killing each other, because they have too.

[–]mowza 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Weird...It's almost like Mein Kampf wasn't a best seller in Germany before the war.

[–]silvester23 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Something weird is going on in these comments.

Yeah................ the Heer was responsible for most of the holocaust.

by /u/Rich_Hazard

and

Yeah................ the Heer was responsible for a lot of killings.

by /u/panzerkampfwagen

That's even the same number of dots.

[–]Sniper_Brosef 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And this means................ ?

[–]FrismFrasm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes that's the ponder

[–]edge6_11 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were in a POW camp.

[–]ThrowawayRemorse 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No. They were POW and were forced to do it in order to lessen their punishment of war crimes. Also, surrounded by Americans with guns. Burning the uniforms was documented as a selfish act to not take responsibility for their crimes.

[–]alahos 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they were the ones responsible for those crimes, what's the point of showing them the films?

[–]Thecardinal74 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The German captive in Saving Provate Ryan tried to sing the US National anthem.

They were most likely trying to distance themselves from the enemy of their captors.

[–]donkey_democrat 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol sure. Anti jewish sentiment was nothing new to Europe or Germany. To think they were so shocked and surprised is ridiculous.

[–]alerionfire 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right before brad Pitt carved a swastika on their foreheads.

[–]B33FY_B 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it was your only chance to survive

[–]WeAREtheSIXMILLION 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL people will do anything for bread

[–]verheyen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nobody tell Aldo.

[–]Direbane 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

how bout we give em something they can't take off .

[–]newsreadhjw 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understood this reference!

[–]joshj94 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Germany has certainly set the standard on how to properly respond to great evil in your own history.

[–]CodeMonkey24 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think most people fail to understand that the average front-line soldier in the German army was fighting because he had to. Not because he wanted to, or because he believed in the war. Many would have preferred to be captured as a POW than have to fight for a regime they thought was corrupt.

[–]bolanrox 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

look at how many German POW's were detained in America and never left or came back. that and better the Americans than the Russians. (even as Berlin fell German officers were working with some American regiments to get as many people out before the russians fully took the city).

[–]coldfront09 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of them came back to the US after the war as wel.

[–]diab0l1k 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see, then I totally respect your opinion while I may or may not have been innocent.

[–]ramza78900 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you, I hope one day in the open, which didn't take long, there were many cases of that especially in the german millitary lumped in with the goal of destroying German will and culture.

[–]Chinesefiredrills 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are prisoners of war allowed to wear their own uniforms and have access to fire?

[–]Spyrothedragon9972 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Dramatically".

I think the title would have been fine if that were omitted.

[–]Matrix_727 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A false equivalence, but still a neurological disassociation with humans.

[–]SoUpInYa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Coming to an Academy Awards nomination near you ....

[–]Beefy_G 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Excuse my ignorance, but what did that German soldiers believe they were fighting for? I can understand their overwhelming belief for some sort of master race in a world where dominance is everything but did they believe someone just said no to this concept and a war started? Did they not realise that by declaring a master race and at the same time putting all other races down that this wouldn't include some sort of elimination of the supposed lesser races? Didn't Hitler express a dire need for a world of pure master race Germans and to rid the world it anything less? That usually included the clause of "ridding the world of anything less."

[–]2shitsleft 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Non SS soldiers were just that, soldiers. It is quite possible they did not know about the atrocities, they were simply following orders and defending their country. They were not necessarily considered criminals. Now the SS on the other hand, they were the ones hell bent on the "master race" part. They were the ones charged with war crimes and such. I would think most prisoners of war were released at some point to go home, however, I would think that SS members would be put to trial.

[–]MrJesusPants3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I love America"; looking around making sure the GIs are looking, "see, I will burn my uniform"...

[–]Hundred50million 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They were allowed to keep their Nazi uniforms?

[–]dogwoodcat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saved having to give them clothes.

Also morale etc.

[–]sorecunt1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

with so much drama in the LBC...

[–]SMHOOSHTBHFAM 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The films included things such as soap made from human corpses, shrunken heads and lampshades made from human skin.

All of which were later found to be created by the U.S. propaganda department. The lampshade was tested and found to be goat skin.

[–]brimstone18 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

German POWs were treated so well in the United States that many of them declined the opportunity to move back to Germany after the war.