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I have seen a lot of people on alt-right forums denying and Holocaust completely or just saying Jews weren't gassed and that the numbers are inflated. But wouldn't most Alt-Right wanted the most Jews to die in the Holocaust? Why deny it if it would've been something you wanted?
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[–]ThatFeministGirlWhite Nationalist 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
Why deny it if it would've been something you wanted?
Why do you deny that everyone is a billionaire, world hunger is solved, and there are no problems in the world? Isn't that what you want?
[–]agotasaidwhat 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
Why deny it if it would've been something you wanted?
That's flawed reasoning, something either happened or it didn't, anyone's feelings on the matter are irrelevant.
[–]EstaliaNational Socialist 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
wouldn't most Alt-Right wanted the most Jews to die in the Holocaust
No?
[–]beardedbroyo 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Ok, so you don't want them killed. You just want them all to return to Israel or leave your native country?
[–]EstaliaNational Socialist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
They would be considered non-White. So, yes.
[–]mjaumjau 22 points23 points24 points  (16 children)
Your brain is so jazzed with bad memes that you can't think clearly or cogently about the events of WW2.
There is no such thing as "the Holocaust" - that is a post-facto buzzword ascribed to the mass Jew death that resulted from the squalor of the labor camp system as conditions collapsed on the Eastern Front near the tail end of the war.
Before 1945 the word holocaust was used to describe any and all massacres. The idea of there only being one massacre/atrocity that matters doesn't make any sense. Jewish suffering is not any more important than Japanese suffering.
And if you mean that many of us deny the existence of homicidal gas chambers, then yes we do, but that's only because there is zero evidence for any of them.
[–]legizelle 4 points5 points6 points  (13 children)
buzzword ascribed to the mass Jew death that resulted from the squalor of the labor camp system as conditions collapsed on the Eastern Front near the tail end of the war.
This sounds like those Turks saying that the Armenians were not systematically killed, but that they just needed to relocate and some died on the march because they didn't drink enough water.
[–]mjaumjau 9 points10 points11 points  (12 children)
What the fuck does "systematically killed" even mean? You're trying to create a class of murder which is worse than regular murder because it involves an abstracted idea of "system".
Were the civilians and peasants living in Nagasaki not systematically vaporized through ariel bombardment of nuclear weaponry? Were the Poles at Katyn not systematically murdered by Beria? You're trying to say that it's morally worse when Jews die rather than other people and I really do not agree with you.
Many Jews died in WW2 but they did not die through elaborately constructed fake shower rooms designed to spew Zyklon-B pellets instead of water.
[–]legizelle 0 points1 point2 points  (11 children)
What the fuck does "systematically killed" even mean?
In this context it means genocide.
You're trying
There is no need in trying anything...
to create a class of murder which is worse than regular murder
Nobody said anything about worse.
because it involves an abstracted idea of "system"
which makes it different and important in the context of discussing such "systems".
Were the civilians and peasants living in Nagasaki not systematically vaporized through ariel bombardment of nuclear weaponry?
In a way, yes. So?
Were the Poles at Katyn not systematically murdered by Beria?
I don't know anything about that particular incident tbh, but he certainly doesn't seem like a sympathetic guy.
You're trying to say that it's morally worse when Jews die rather than other people and I really do not agree with you.
Laughable that you try to put those words in my mouth.
Many Jews died in WW2 but they did not die through elaborately constructed fake shower rooms designed to spew Zyklon-B pellets instead of water.
But what you are saying is, that if it's not gas and ovens, then it's obviously not that bad?
Look, where we probably agree is that we find bringing that heavy picturesque gas-shower rhetoric unproductive and harmful. However, if you're going to refute or downplay a genocide of a large amount of people you better have something else then denying the plausibility of certain methods alone. The main thought is not "They had X gas chambers so there had to be Y deaths", but rather that there were camps were people were intended to work until they died.
[–]mjaumjau 3 points4 points5 points  (7 children)
Losing control of your labor camp system resulting in the inmates dying of Typhus and starvation is certainly an interesting method of mass killing people, wouldn't you agree?
Do you not think that simply shooting them would be the more ...efficient solution?
In this context it means genocide.
Why is Dresden not a genocide?
if you're going to refute or downplay a genocide of a large amount of people
Please provide some evidence that it was an intentional genocide planned and carried out. I will wait.
What happened to the Jews is no worse than what happened to any other ethnic group in the entire WW2 conflict. Germans and Russians were gunned down en masse. Japanese were put into camps in Manzanar, the Gulag system contained millions of Soviet political prisoners.
rather that there were camps were people were intended to work until they died.
If America lost the war, anybody could claim their Japanese internment camps were the same deal - and nobody would be around to say otherwise because the American leaders would have all been executed in fake show trials.
[–]legizelle 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
Losing control of your labor camp system resulting in the inmates dying of Typhus and starvation is certainly an interesting method of mass killing people, wouldn't you agree?
Labor camps were indeed a method of mass killing people while still getting sth out of them.
Why is Dresden not a genocide?
Probably for the same reason London was not a genocide. Because it's a war-crime, because the intent was not to destroy a people. Though I'd agree that it very well could have been since when it comes to bombings the question becomes one of scale. They were deplorable, and the ones responsible needed to be punished.
Please provide some evidence that it was an intentional genocide planned and carried out. I will wait.
Is the Wannsee Conference a good start? Or this site https://www.ushmm.org/ ? What kind of evidence would you even accept? I doubt you would need me to point out evidence for the intent, or it's like you don't even read Mein Kampf. What if I said, "the holodomor was just another famine, it had nothing to do with a particularly bad mismanagement and the criminal neglect of a people, in fact, it's the same that is happening in Africa! People just like to bring it up to silence socialists/communists!" and then asked for evidence for the contrary. It would be cheap, ignorant, and stupid of me.
Holocaust deniers are not just skeptical because of their standards towards evidence as such - their skepticism is very focused towards things that correspond with an agenda. Because they have one, and it is not general scientific and historical correctness.
If America lost the war, anybody could claim their Japanese internment camps were the same deal
They consisted of prisoners, no? And is anybody debating their numbers or existence? Many sides, including Soviets and Nazis, committed war-crimes when it came to treating prisoners, sending them to camps from which few returned. It's, again, a war crime, not genocide.
[–]mjaumjau 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
So it's not mass killing when the Americans put hundreds of thousands of people into labor camps in California, nor is it mass killing when the Soviets put millions of political prisoners into their GULAG camps, but it is mass killing when the Germans put partisans and other prisoners into their labor camps. How convenient!
the intent was not to destroy a people
Neither was the Germans putting people into labor camps intending to destroy them anymore than it was FDR intending to destroy the Japanese. Can you please just stop believing in Allied war propaganda for two seconds?
Holocaust deniers are not just skeptical because of their standards towards evidence as such - their skepticism is very focused towards things that correspond with an agenda.
Because you have an agenda. The entire post-1945 system set up is the single most agenda-y thing in human history. You think our societies aren't just a teensy tiny little bit biased against Nazi Germany? You get arrested for questioning their agenda. You see our lack of an agenda as an evil agenda because we don't accept your obvious historical lies. We're just noticing the Allies obvious biases and correcting for them.
[–]legizelle 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
So it's not mass killing when the Americans put hundreds of thousands of people into labor camps in California, nor is it mass killing when the Soviets put millions of political prisoners into their GULAG camps, but it is mass killing when the Germans put partisans and other prisoners into their labor camps. How convenient!
It is indeed convenient to have different terms for different things. You should try it sometimes, and not pretend I said sth I didn't ("mass killing"). But whatever.
when the Germans put partisans and other prisoners
What's also convenient, is you summarizing and trivializing the rounding up of people based on nothing but their ethnicity as "other prisoners" and comparing that to soldiers captured in a war.
Neither was the Germans putting people into labor camps intending to destroy them anymore than it was FDR intending to destroy the Japanese. Can you please just stop believing in Allied war propaganda for two seconds?
Do I also need to stop believing the Nazis?
And a different question, do you think that Hitler did not want to get the world rid of Jews and would that not be the best conclusions from his views?
You see our lack of an agenda as an evil agenda because we don't accept your obvious historical lies.
Oh, so now they're "obvious".
Because you have an agenda. The entire post-1945 system set up is the single most agenda-y thing in human history. You think our societies aren't just a teensy tiny little bit biased against Nazi Germany? You get arrested for questioning their agenda.
For any fact there is an agenda that makes use of it. I picked this one path of the argument with my words, my fault. Point is - if you're doubting a group if facts, then you must either doubt a similar group of facts similarly, else you're not interested in the truth and methods to unfold it, but only in furthering one agenda or the other. I myself find it reasonable to accept all the atrocities of the past 200 years as a given.
Although I am no historian, so I repeat, what kind of evidence would be acceptable to you, and do you have the same standards for other events, such as Stalinist or Maoist atrocities, which can be denied in the exact same manner, rhetoric, with the exact same effect on the opinion of a layman?
[–]mjaumjau 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
the rounding up of people based on nothing but their ethnicity
You say "based on nothing but their ethnicity", conveniently forgetting that the Germans were engaged in a gigantic conflict against the Jewish diaspora (which the Jewish diaspora won): it's called fighting a fucking war.
As always, it's cool when FDR does it, it's evil when the Germans do it. Your entire arguments comes down to might makes right. The Germans lost, therefore everything they did was immoral.
do you think that Hitler did not want to get the world rid of Jews
He didn't care about the world, he cared about Germany. He wanted Jews out of Germany, which is why he had agreements like this. He didn't give a solitary fuck about "the world". The side which was bent on world domination is the side which went on to set up and control the "United Nations" with their friends who believed in "international socialism".
[–]legizelle 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Interesting, how many of them died?
As always, it's cool when FDR does it, it's evil when the Germans do it. Your entire arguments comes down to might makes right.
No, not at all, it comes down to what I said, which is if you doubt a narrative, doubt all similar/similarly structured narratives, and don't be a hypocrite and doubt just the one that's the most against your world view.
And BTW, do you think btw that the Armenian genocide is accepted because everyone but some Turkish leadership are Armenian puppets?
The Germans lost, therefore everything they did was immoral.
Will you please stop strawmanning.
He didn't give a solitary fuck about "the world".
Ah common, give him some credit. Jewry was the embodiment of evil, and I can respect fighting and killing against what you believe is evil, much more than I can respect killing out of self- or political interest.
[–]k0ngzy 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
people like you that quote 50 times and have 50 different responses sicken me.
[–]legizelle 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
people like you
this is not common?
quote 50 times and have 50 different responses
dismantling a barrage of nonsense point by point is easier, it's not worth my time to get to the unifying reason behind your misconceptions.
sicken me
you should explore this feeling, maybe you're onto something.
[–]k0ngzy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
exactly
[–]Mundane_BatrachianWhite Nationalist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Upvotes for giving the correct answer.
[–]fuckemcarter 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
it's THE holocaust. like THE great war. it's not calling it a great war. it's giving a title
[–]herewardwakesWhite Nationalist 11 points12 points13 points  (7 children)
I'm Alt Right and I don't want Jews to die.
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    [–]herewardwakesWhite Nationalist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    People who don't want to kill Jews are Jews? Good argument, there. I take it you think all the alt right leaders who've said they don't want to kill Jews are also Jews?
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      [–]herewardwakesWhite Nationalist 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      You're calling me a Jew for not wanting to kill Jews? Show me where "we want to kill Jews" is a central tenet of the movement?
      [–]TheSupremeFriend 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      That's very sweet of you.
      [–]WesNg 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      What a progressive he is.
      [–]Trifle_and_ShadowAristocratic Republican 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      But wouldn't most Alt-Right wanted the most Jews to die in the Holocaust?
      That probably isn't statistically true.
      [–]201701292043 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      It's a tool to emotionally beat Whites into submission and make us accept being genocided. That needs to be countered and neutralized regardless of that being done through mockery, denial or serious revisionism. Consistency does not matter to us any more than it does to leftists deriding Christianity, just devaluating the concept through whatever means work.
      Personally I do not care in the slightest. It probably happened, but since Jews do this I conclude they richly deserved whatever they got.
      [–]EssencialToLife 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
      Jews weren't gassed
      The evidence for gassings is very shaky at best.
      the numbers are inflated
      The official numbers at auschwitz were corrected from 4 to 1 million, but the narrative total was never corrected.
      most Jews to die .. would've been something you wanted
      You are a liar. We want the jews out of power positions in OUR countries. We are OK with jews in their ethnostate.
      Libertarian
      What do you think the "Madagaskar-Plan" was ? Google it. Inform yourself. There is a lot of history facts your leftist professor did never mention.
      [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 8 points9 points10 points  (34 children)
      Why Is There A Lot of Denial of the Holocaust Here?
      I'm not a Holocaust expert but there seem to be a lot of very strange things going on with relation to the information about the event. It is enough to make me skeptical. Is that a bad thing?
      [–]Rameses_2 1 point2 points3 points  (33 children)
      Depends completely on whether it's fueled by healthy skepticism or bigotry.
      [–]Minerface 4 points5 points6 points  (31 children)
      It's kinda hard to have 'heathly skepticism' about the genocide of millions.
      [–]dumpster_high_dive 3 points4 points5 points  (11 children)
      Hard to be skeptical of "Holocaust pictures". Okay. That's an appeal to emotion, which is a logical fallacy.
      [–]Minerface 0 points1 point2 points  (10 children)
      Anything can be a logical fallacy if you're bad at interpretation.
      [–]dumpster_high_dive 0 points1 point2 points  (9 children)
      Pictures of people in wartime conditions does not prove anything.
      If you're losing the war, out of food because the allied forces were bombing your supply lines, typhus was breaking out everywhere... yeah, it's going to look exactly like those pictures. It was never the intention of Germany for those people to starve. They planned on winning the war.
      Nobody wants to talk about the 50 million Russians killed in WWII (by communist Jews) or the 30 million Chinese killed in WWII (also by communists). Somehow these staggering numbers are forgotten to history in favor of 6 million Jews that were trying to be removed from Europe, (see: Madagascar Plan) not exterminated.
      Again, presenting a Google image search as evidence does nothing but appeal to emotion.
      [–]Minerface 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
      Pictures of people in wartime conditions does not prove anything.
      Those aren't 'wartime conditions'. Those are pictures of people systematically being starved, and on top of that there are hundreds upon thousands of similar picture.
      If you're losing the war, out of food because the allied forces were bombing your supply lines, typhus was breaking out everywhere... yeah, it's going to look exactly like those pictures.
      You're ignoring the fact that many of these concentration camps were not far away from supply lines AND the concentration camps began way before the Germans started drastically losing supplies.
      It was never the intention of Germany for those people to starve. They planned on winning the war.
      Lmao then explain why they imprisoned thousands of them and they just happened to be extremely starved? Don't try to sell be that 'it was never their intention' bullshit, it was exactly their intention.
      Nobody wants to talk about the 50 million Russians killed in WWII (by communist Jews)
      Stalin was an atheist. Also, where are you getting those numbers? I recall the fascists starting WW2 with their invasion of Poland. So you're saying that I should apologize for not talking about fascists killing Russians?
      or the 30 million Chinese killed in WWII (also by communists).
      Are you talking of the Great Leap Forward or the Japanese invasion? Because the Japanese were fascist, not communist.
      Again, presenting a Google image search as evidence does nothing but appeal to emotion.
      It's not an appeal to emotion, it's picture proof, the same way a picture could be used as proof of a crime in court.
      [–]dumpster_high_dive 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
      Without consulting your favorite search engine, do you know what the Weimar Republic was?
      [–]dumpster_high_dive 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
      So you understand why the Germans went to war then? And why they wanted the Jews out of Europe?
      [–]Rameses_2 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
      Jews are responsible for Chinese communists killing 30 million of their own people?
      [–]dumpster_high_dive 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      No, just the Russians.
      [–]Rameses_2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      You do know that it was White propaganda (not White the race, but "White" in the "red" vs "White" Russian civil War) that Bolshevikism was a Jewish conspiracy? Don't get me wrong, Jews were overrepresented in Bolsheviks by 2-3 times their population, but the Jews of Russia didn't support Bolsheviks in the civil war until it the very end. Jews definitely supported the overthrow of the czar and February Revolution, though.
      [–]Rameses_2 3 points4 points5 points  (18 children)
      You can have healthy skepticism about whether the number is 6 million or 5 million. That's healthy skepticism.
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        [–]UA_Hammer 4 points5 points6 points  (16 children)
        although I'm pretty sure decades of research have confirmed 6+ million
        yup
        decades of research starting before 1933
        I won't pretend to know all the facts here, but doesn't it make sense to give that a little bit of scrutiny?
        [–]Minerface 0 points1 point2 points  (14 children)
        umm i looked at a few of those and they have like nothing to do with 'The Holocaust'. Say what you will about the newspapers, but I'm sure historians have confirmed reports. You can look at isolated incidents about people using the 6 million number before the actual event, but to outright deny it is quite idiotic.
        [–]FlameFlockaWaka 2 points3 points4 points  (10 children)
        Of course they didn't have anything to do with the holocaust of WW2 you absolute dullard.
        It was about how Jews have invoked the magical numbers of 6 million (Ever since printed media was invented) whenever something bad happened to a particular Jewish community.
        Good lord you're fucking stupid.
        although I'm pretty sure decades of research have confirmed 6+ million
        Even IF you're staunch believer of the current narrative regarding that event, then it's not hard to find just how utterly goddamn conflicting the numbers have been since the 2nd world war.
        Some reported 1 million, some did 4 million, Red Cross itself reported no more than 350K (Yes, THE Red Cross).
        The 6 million is a relative modern "consensus".
        EDIT: Bloody hell, you're an unironic Communist who plays minecraft. Now I feel like the stupid one for arguing with a 14-year-old with autism.
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          [–]FlameFlockaWaka 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
          I'll remind you that you're on a debate sub :)
          And you have to be 18+ I'm afraid. Blocked and reported.
          [–]shmusko01 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
          Even IF you're staunch believer of the current narrative regarding that event, then it's not hard to find just how utterly goddamn conflicting the numbers have been since the 2nd world war.
          It isn't.
          That's another "alternative fact". One could easily look to the estimates which came just after the war which are similar to those today, but that would be too much work for the Alt-Fail
          Red Cross itself reported no more than 350K (Yes, THE Red Cross).
          No they didn't. Another "alternative fact" from the Alt-Fail. The International Red Cross maintains one of the best bodies of testimony from workers who were given occasional access to certain camps.
          The 6 million is a relative modern "consensus".
          If you man "modern" as in "contemporary to the event" then yes.
          [–]FlameFlockaWaka 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
          Lol, you're one of the spergs that answered the call to action from that minecraft autistic commie.
          Into the trash you go, comrade.
          [–]UA_Hammer 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          Say what you will about the newspapers, but I'm sure historians have confirmed reports.
          this is very very flimsy. "I'm sure it's verified" isn't evidence and responding like that when asked if anything seems fishy seems even fishier to me.
          Keep in mind I'm not even in that camp anyways. I'm in the (((bolsheviks))) intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians to death around the same time and why does nobody talk about it why do I keep hearing about the Holocaust camp
          [–]Minerface 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          Keep in mind I'm not even in that camp anyways. I'm in the (((bolsheviks))) intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians to death
          Kulaks deserved it :) But seriously, there's little to that conspiracy as well.
          [–]Rameses_2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Jews were the dirt of Europe for 2000 years. The Russian pogroms were particularly awful, at a time when Jews in Western Europe (Germany) were fully integrated into society. I know, my family were Ukranian/Polish Jews that left 30 years before the Holocaust. So their suffering was always in the newspapers.
          6 million was a big round number of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe (incl Western Russia). When the Nazis swept through Europe and eliminated most of it, that was the common sense number used. When you add French and French African Jews and miscellaneous Jews to the number and subtract European Jews that survived the genocide, you come to an approx of 6 million. Honestly, if it was 4 million then I'd be ecstatic! (would mean less of my extended relatives were murdered).
          [–]Tucos_cousin 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          Prove it.
          [–]_The_Burn_Neo-Confederate 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          To be honest, I do believe in the holocaust, but I think there is some point the Jews should stop masturbating over it.
          [–]sixsexsix 7 points8 points9 points  (5 children)
          Because the evidence that 6 million Jews were systematically killed is incredibly weak, mainly relying on (((eye witness))) testimony.
          [–]MadKingBryce 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
          Can you elaborate? What sort of evidence is weak?
          [–]sixsexsix 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
          The entire lack thereof.
          [–]Like_Onyx 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
          Dude, just go to youtube and you will see people presenting their case. Check out David Irving for one. Here is a short clip than answers the basics of why people are skeptical of the official narrative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrPt-enplw
          [–]Trifle_and_ShadowAristocratic Republican 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
          Funny excerpt from his wikipedia entry:
          The military historian John Keegan praised Irving for his "extraordinary ability to describe and analyse Hitler's conduct of military operations, which was his main occupation during the Second World War".[146] Donald Cameron Watt, Emeritus Professor of Modern History at the London School of Economics, wrote that he admires some of Irving's work as a historian
          So Irving is quite a good historian on all fronts except the Holocaust. What a coincidence.
          [–]Like_Onyx 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          His fellow Brits praised his early books. Then he wrote Hitler's War(great book) and didn't mention the Holocaust once. They turned on him overnight basically.
          [–]dumpster_high_dive 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
          WWII death count:
          • 50 million Russians
          • 30 million Chinese
          • 6 million Jews
          It's not denial. It's the ability to realize when something has been blown out of proportion.
          [–]sixsexsix 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
          It wasn't 6 million Jews.
          [–]dumpster_high_dive 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          I don't disagree with you. Just going with the (((official numbers))) for the sake of simplicity.
          [–]Bitcoin_ChiefWhite Nationalist 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
          Because we prefer to live in reality rather than fantasy land?
          [–]applebottomdude 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          Your made up alternate reality is your fantasy land
          [–]Bitcoin_ChiefWhite Nationalist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          k
          [–]CAPS_4_FUN 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          Because our dispossession is a direct result of this "guilt" of which Holocaust is big part of.
          [–]halfback910 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          There's actually a dearth of solid evidence that there were gas chambers and such. A lot of Jews did die... Just by the nature of events, there's not a ton of evidence around. The ones that are around to talk obviously didn't die; the ones that died are obviously not around to talk. Shit was bombed and evacuating German soldiers and guards destroyed shit.
          This has prompted a lot of alt-righters to say "Oh, they weren't mass murder camps, they were WORK camps!"
          My response is thus: If you enslave a man, you've killed all the parts of him that matter. So the difference between mass genocide and mass enslavement is, to me, fucking negligible. So maybe there weren't gas chambers. Maybe. I contend it doesn't fucking matter either way.
          [–]AltRight666 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          We're just trying to trigger outrage among normal people. Nothing is more effective than pretending that the holocaust never happened. Nothing. If it didn't trigger people, then we wouldn't do it, obviously. And, we're prepared to argue the point ad nauseam, for the sake of inducing maximum nausea.
          [–]cromeraxDistributism, Guns, Gold and Georgism 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          But wouldn't most Alt-Right wanted the most Jews to die in the Holocaust?
          You seem to be confusing Nazism and Alt-Right
          Why deny it if it would've been something you wanted?
          Because many see it as a illegitimate story which is used to protect from criticism a group of people that the AR sees as a threat.
          Because it's used constantly as a deflection of any criticism of Jewish policy or the people. Also, it's illegal to question the holocaust in many countries, but you can question Maoist China and Stalin's killings without any issue whatsoever, to many that is a bit strange.
          Not to mention the myriad of issues surrounding the Nuremberg trials, odd predictions from newspapers which revolves around 6 million Jews being killed somewhere, the Red Cross report, and just some general curiosity regarding the strange methodology that the Nazi supposedly used to kill Jews raises some concerns with people.
          [–]legizelle 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          but you can question Maoist China and Stalin's killings without any issue whatsoever, to many that is a bit strange.
          Nothing strange about it. There are typically no laws defining crime where there is no visible intention for it. Few people question those other numbers because.... it would be stupid, and because they see no reason to defend the perpetrators. While here, there clearly is a motivation - the refusal to realize the consequences of one's thinking.
          [–]Rameses_2 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          People that believe the Holocaust didn't happen are absolute idiots. I agree that the Jewish community can over-victimize the situation ("We're the most victimized group in the history of humanity"), that the suffering of Czechs, certain Catholics, LGBT, communists, gypsies, etc. is too often minimized, and that it's possible that <6 million died (maybe 5 million died? or 4? that would be a good thing IMO).
          But those concerns aside, you have to be truly stupid to see Nazi propaganda and their insane hatred of Jews, see how cruelly the German military acted in the late 19th century/WW1 toward minorities in Africa and Belgium, see the Nazi philosophy on eugenics, and think about human nature, and still conclude that it didn't happen. It proves that the alt-right isn't about red-pilling onself, but just being an asshole.
          [–]201701292043 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
          I agree that the Jewish community can over-victimize the situation
          Expressing that sentiment in public would get you imprisoned in most of Europe.
          [–]Rameses_2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          I already think Europe's freedom of speech policies are idiotic.
          [–]Dinaric_Esoteric_B 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          For one the sources are written by the commies, Jewry and the Western Allies. Aka the biggest mass-murderers and plunders of our time/that century.
          The first mass-slaughtered high millions of white European people in Eastern-Europe in that century pre the second world war alone for a commie revolution there and after as well (millions of Germans/Axis civilians were actually massacred, raped, worked or starved to death including their own captured Soviet civilians they didn't like), the second/third force helped them with high billions/resources during the war and killed millions of civilians with terror bombs and starvation as well after the war.
          I believe in the (Indo)-European holocaust as such. Its numbers are immense and largely orchestrated by Jewry as well.
          Lastly none of it makes any sense overall (the Jewish 6 million religion/"Holocaust"). It's idiocy to believe in overall as such and unworthy of our time, seeing as what they did to us and are doing as we speak with for instance abortion legalization, feminism and constant third/second world immigration pushes in combination with an inherently flawed and at best fallacious egalitarian-Unitarian worldview constantly preached/propagandized now - out to genocide white Europeans/Aryans eventually completely.
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